Hi Greg:) Glad to hear that this video helps you and your friend. I really like to make more videos about Korean traditional archery but I can't because I'm so busy recently. But if you have any question, please ask me freely, I will answer you as I can:) Thank you.
I live in the midwest, Iowa. (Middle of the U.S.). There's no large oriental populations here or anything that people here would call international types of schooling. Thanks for your response.
Thank u very much for making this video. It is difficult to find information about Korean archery in English, especially technical details like those in your video. Thanks again!
So precious and interesting! I practice Japanese kyūdō and I feel this kind of grip is similar to our tenouchi. Hopefully I can also practice some Korean archery soon!
thank you for watching:) that's why I started my youtube channel. I'm too busy to make new video right now.. though.. if you have any question, please feel free to ask:)
Thank you very much for this video. The mechanics of your grip are very similar to the grip I use on my Mongolian bows, but I think the Korean handle design is better in terms of comfort & ease of use
Thnak you for your reply:) yes, Korea archery have many similarities with Mongolian archery. but as you mantioned, Korean bow is much smaller than Mongolian or Chinese one, so archers can use the bow easier too.
Thank you very much. I suspect, your videos will help me to better my form and getting my groups tighter together. What do you recommend to do with a small grip on a beginner bow like on the Daylite Phoenix?
Thank you for watching:) I hope you make great progress in your form improving:) and I'm sorry that I didn't understand the question well. Did the handle of Daylite Phoenix come out small grip? All handles need to be adjusted to the hands of the archer. In Korea, we get materials for handles and make them ourselves, but it won't be easy in foreign countries. If you can get the propriate ingredients locally, I recommend you to make it yourself:)
@@wonsangkim3460 The grip of my Korean bow is not looking like the traditional ones, it's a lot smaller. I didn't take it apart but I suspect the bump it is wood with a suede leather wrapping on top. Any advice on modification, material to get and how to figure out what is the perfect personalized size. The yellow material on the Korean bow online shops looks like the polyurethane insulation foam I can get in huge panels for cheep but I'm not sure as I never saw it in person. For the wrapping I guess the easiest would be grip tape for tennis rackets.
Hello, thank you very much for detailed discroption in video, I have only one qwestion, do you have ancher point on your bow hand? I mean do you touch with arrow head on full draw to your bended index finger (thirt phalanx) or fold of the second phalanx of the bended thumb (between the first and second phalanx) ?
Hi:) I put my arrow on the first joint of thumb of my bow hand. And release it when I feel '상사(Sang-sa)', the place where spine and arrow head meet together.
Dear Sir, I really enjoyed this video. Thanks. I would like to ask for information: Please, can you send information about this bow model? Where can find it? It seemed very well built. At the end a totally curved model appears. Corresponds to the model of what appears in black color. Thank you very much Best Regards Armando
Hello Armando, Thank you for watching my RUclips. The bow you asked me is KAYA archery's 'Black cat' Model. Check the below website. www.kayaarchery.com/theme/basic/product/bow.php#bow_2 and many Korean bow makers wrap their bow with black material so there will be other black Korean traditional bows such as sky archery's 'Hyun-mu gung' or 'Phoenix' Thank you:)
Dear WonSang Kim Thank you very much for your kindly willingness to reply to my question. In fact, these arches from KAYA Archery are beautiful and demonstrate a design with very good production. I thank you and send you the best wishes for you. Armando
I have a few questions. You said in the video that the palm pushing is stabilizing bow vertically. So what is the origin of proper khatra ( the external rotation of a bow hand) as it is crucial to send arrow horizontally correct. Is it from the preloaded force coming from the angle between hand and bow like you gripped it before drawing ( kind of automatic) or is it intentional outward pressurizing. Before I thought that this rotation comes from palm pushing hand outwardly. Second is how do you alow bow for the rotation in hand when you hold tight grip?
Hi Krupa, Thank you for watching my youtube:) Maintaining the natural angle of the grip hand and the bow is the key and it need some intentional outwarding pressure from the three-under-fingers(middle, ring, baby finger) but should not overdo it. if you use real traditional bow, which is made with water buffalo's horn, pressing the grip to outward with over force might cause unstring the when you shooting. (Modernized bow made with carbon-fiber is not that sensitive). push the bow with your halfside of grip hand's palm and feel the strength back of the hand which is generated from the 3-under-fingers while you draw. and sorry that I can't understand what is the meaning of the second question.. you mean bow rotation when drawing or releasing?
@@wonsangkim3460 Thank's for answereing. I've been practicing some more. I think the key factor to open the arrow way is in the thumb pressure. That's where I got the best results. I dragg the 3-under fingers to me, kind of downside and the left swing comes from thumb push. Yes my bow was unstringing when I tried to rotate it with 3-under. Also when you hold your bow a bit tilted from the vertical position the foreward push is transforming to horizontal a bit. I probably still do something wrong. My results are unstable. I put very much pressure on the thumb muscules to open the bow for arrow to fly it straight as arrow is pointing while aiming. Maybe I will try to record it. It's hard to learn from text.
Thumb pressure is one of the factors as you say, 'archery of Joseon', the archery book written in 1920s, mentioned 'lower the thumb' which mean press the thumb firmly when drawing. it's hard to discuss archery with text only. if you show me your archery, pictures, videos, anything, it might be more easier to give information you need:)
@@wonsangkim3460 I found out I've been holding my bow too hard. Now I'm grabing just enough to not lose grip. I have improved my accuracy but I'm still not much consistent. About the aiming. Do you align arrow straight under right eye? Do you rest arrow on the cheek? Do you tilt your head to the side? Do you hold bow perfectly vertical or tilt and what angle? That's a lot of questions but all kind of important.
@@bogdankrupa9096 Longtime no see Krupa:) It's glad to hear that your accuracy getting improvement. to answer your question, No, I don't align arrow under my right eye but I do rest my arrow on the cheek. some shooting form can align arrow straight under the eyes but it forced to rest your arrow under the chin. it's not exactly fit the forms called 'traditional shooting form'. maybe this picture will help you. check this out cafeptthumb-phinf.pstatic.net/20150601_22/krezion_1433147181717YaHdI_JPEG/20150508_170203.jpg?type=w740 and I tilt my bow to the right naturally. I'll upload the video which shooting from behind of me soon. Thank you:)
Hi Very important is the order of transferring knowledge :) What material you have wrapped of a handle? I need something to wrap the handle in my bow because the original grip "burns" hand while shooting.
sebastian.plum hi sebastian!I usely wrap my jum-tong with natural agave fiber which is made for scrubber or hemp fablic. tradition kta bow used hemp fablic or fish skin. today jum-pi, which means wrapping materials for jum-tong is made of Synthetic rubber as you know. this is jum-pi have very high friction but not comfortable.
WonSang Kim Hi WonSang Lovely thank you for your reply. Today, as part of the test I used thin wool felt fabric to wrap my jum-tong. Within the next few days I'll find out whether it was a good idea or not good.
Major torque generate at elbow of grip hand and thumb of drawing hand. it should be firm but not too much. it's hard to explain in the words.. but if you keep ask me developed question, I'll try my best to answering them:)
Thank you for your careful descriptions. I have no Master here in Minnesota (USA), and improving my accuracy with the Korean Traditional Bow has been slow. I will use what you have said in my practice tomorrow. 주의 깊은 설명에 감사드립니다. 저는 미네소타 (미국)에서 석사 학위를받지 못했고, 한국 전통 보우와의 정확성을 높이는 데 시간이 걸렸습니다. 내일 연습 할 때 당신이 말한 것을 사용할 것입니다. juui gip-eun seolmyeong-e gamsadeulibnida. jeoneun minesota (migug)eseo seogsa hag-wileulbadji moshaessgo, hangug jeontong bouwaui jeonghwagseong-eul nop-ineun de sigan-i geollyeossseubnida. naeil yeonseub hal ttae dangsin-i malhan geos-eul sayonghal geos-ibnida.
Thank you for watching my Video. I'm not good at english speaking or writing but I can understand it. so please feel free to use english here:)as you say teacher of Korean traditional archery is not common in out side of Korea. most 'masters' are staying at the archery range in Korea(which is called '활터(Hwal-teo)') so if you want to train your KTB skills, Korea is best palce for it. You can learn KTB by Internet or youtube, but there is the limit without training at the field with face to face. anyway if you have any question, I could give you some information. Enjoy Korean traditional archery. Thank you.
+Greg Hi Greg:) sorry for late reply, I didn't notice your comment on this video. I only know about korean traditional archery and there is lots of thumbring archery style. if I give advice in korean traditional archery style it might ruined his own thumbring style. if he has any interest in korean traditional archery then I might help him:)
WonSang Kim ))) I am not even sure what's his style. He is studying on his own. He had ran into a few problems: dropping a bow arm after shot, horizontal arrow spread and string pluck. If there is anything you could suggest, it would be great. Thanks!
+Greg 1. Dropping the bowarm. lets think about baseball or golf, after we swing the bet or club and hitting a ball, we usely follow-through it. this kind of dropping is fine. but if is not, it's very simple:) DO NOT DROP YOUR BOW ARM AFTER SHOOTING! 2. horizontal spread in KTA, we practice for constanious arrow shooting. there is lots of things to check to practice it but lets start with easy thing. first, constanious pushing power of the grabing-hand. second, let your inside of your elbow of the bow-arm face to the ground it makes your bow-arm firmly. third, make it sure that arrow is sticked to your cheek:). forth, constanious shooting power! then your arrow spread problem might be solved:)
+Greg yeap:) when archer grab the bow with left hand, it's looks like elbow turning to clockwise direction. but actually it's not 'turnning'. it's related with 'pushing power' which is generated by center of half side palm of the Jum-son:)
Wilhelm Scream Yeah.. It's very sad that there are only few Korean archery range at oversea. it's very hard to find the place for KTA especially around city. there is one at sandiego. but still it's not enough for foreign KTA archers..
I too heard that there are some at California, but there is none at New York. Over here, I am stuck with indoor ranges that are less than 50 meters!!! Argh!
You can use a narrow pass if you want. It's personal taste:) The reason why the Korean bow's(and other many asiatic bows) arrow pass is thick is probably that it was influenced a lot by horseback archery. When riding a horse with your bow, you have to keep the arrow stick to the bow. A thick pass protects the bow from the friction of the arrow:)
@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 Dear Pyramid, Please take a good look at my comments. I said that a thick arrow pass would affect the arrow and also that you can use a thin one if you want. Of course, a thin arrow pass will provide good aiming for the archery. But I'm arguing that a thick arrow pass also has an advantage too. In archery using a thumb ring, the arrow can affect the body of the bow, so it uses a thick pass for protection and maintenance. I search the bow as you mentioned and yes, there are many Korean archers who use thin and narrow arrow passes like that for the same reason as you say.
Thank you. Me and other americans dont have personal teachers so we appreciate your video help.
Hi Greg:) Glad to hear that this video helps you and your friend. I really like to make more videos about Korean traditional archery but I can't because I'm so busy recently. But if you have any question, please ask me freely, I will answer you as I can:) Thank you.
Anyway, where are you live? I heard that there is one korean traditional archery field in San Diego.
I live in the midwest, Iowa. (Middle of the U.S.).
There's no large oriental populations here or anything that people here would call international types of schooling.
Thanks for your response.
Great English archery friend. Nice video. Thanks 😊
Thank you:)
Thank u very much for making this video. It is difficult to find information about Korean archery in English, especially technical details like those in your video. Thanks again!
Daniel Hilleman thank you for watching:) I gonna keep posting videos about kta after finish few things.
WonSang Kim Yes - thank you so very much! Your comments are just as valuable as your videos. We all hope to see many more
thank you, great explanation
Thank you:)
So precious and interesting! I practice Japanese kyūdō and I feel this kind of grip is similar to our tenouchi. Hopefully I can also practice some Korean archery soon!
Great Info. Thank you WonSang.. am just starting out exploring the Korean traditional bow. :)
Welcome:) I couldn't make any video recently because of my busy work.. But I'm glad to respond any question you have:) please ask freely.
@@wonsangkim3460 itu sudah cukup sudah via apa saja ditolak oleh mereka yg punya segalanya untuk hari raya Imlek
Excellent videos - thank you .. It is hard to find such good information for English speakers :)
thank you for watching:)
that's why I started my youtube channel. I'm too busy to make new video right now.. though.. if you have any question, please feel free to ask:)
I am here. but I don't know the KTA. Sorry!
Exceptionally useful video! Wish I had this info earlier.
Its never too late , you have it now 😊
Thank you excellent explanation. Very much appreciated. 👍
One oft the most important KTA vids for me🙏
Sadly the musik are gone😥
Thank you for watching my video:) I didn't think about the 'license' on that time:(
Thank you very much for this video. The mechanics of your grip are very similar to the grip I use on my Mongolian bows, but I think the Korean handle design is better in terms of comfort & ease of use
Thnak you for your reply:) yes, Korea archery have many similarities with Mongolian archery. but as you mantioned, Korean bow is much smaller than Mongolian or Chinese one, so archers can use the bow easier too.
Thank you very much. I suspect, your videos will help me to better my form and getting my groups tighter together. What do you recommend to do with a small grip on a beginner bow like on the Daylite Phoenix?
Thank you for watching:) I hope you make great progress in your form improving:) and I'm sorry that I didn't understand the question well. Did the handle of Daylite Phoenix come out small grip? All handles need to be adjusted to the hands of the archer. In Korea, we get materials for handles and make them ourselves, but it won't be easy in foreign countries. If you can get the propriate ingredients locally, I recommend you to make it yourself:)
@@wonsangkim3460 The grip of my Korean bow is not looking like the traditional ones, it's a lot smaller. I didn't take it apart but I suspect the bump it is wood with a suede leather wrapping on top. Any advice on modification, material to get and how to figure out what is the perfect personalized size. The yellow material on the Korean bow online shops looks like the polyurethane insulation foam I can get in huge panels for cheep but I'm not sure as I never saw it in person. For the wrapping I guess the easiest would be grip tape for tennis rackets.
Excellent instruction, excellent English! (Way better than m’y Korean!)
Thank you for watching my video:)
Hello, thank you very much for detailed discroption in video,
I have only one qwestion, do you have ancher point on your bow hand?
I mean do you touch with arrow head on full draw to your bended index finger (thirt phalanx) or fold of the second phalanx of the bended thumb (between the first and second phalanx) ?
Hi:)
I put my arrow on the first joint of thumb of my bow hand. And release it when I feel '상사(Sang-sa)', the place where spine and arrow head meet together.
@@wonsangkim3460
Understood, thank you! Hope will see more videos related to KTA technical aspects, from you👍
You did great. Thank you
Thank you for watching my video:)
Thank you , very useful 👍
My pleasure:)
keep going with translation.your english is better then mine!
thank you:) I'm so busy these daya.. I'll try to comeback soon:)
Dear Sir, I really enjoyed this video. Thanks.
I would like to ask for information:
Please, can you send information about this bow model? Where can find it? It seemed very well built. At the end a totally curved model appears. Corresponds to the model of what appears in black color.
Thank you very much
Best Regards
Armando
Hello Armando, Thank you for watching my RUclips.
The bow you asked me is KAYA archery's 'Black cat' Model. Check the below website.
www.kayaarchery.com/theme/basic/product/bow.php#bow_2
and many Korean bow makers wrap their bow with black material so there will be other black Korean traditional bows such as sky archery's 'Hyun-mu gung' or 'Phoenix'
Thank you:)
Dear WonSang Kim
Thank you very much for your kindly willingness to reply to my question.
In fact, these arches from KAYA Archery are beautiful and demonstrate a design with very good production.
I thank you and send you the best wishes for you.
Armando
@@armandopereira2183 My pleasure:)
this is very informative video
thank you for watching my video:)
훌륭한 자료네요 감사합니다.
많이 부족합니다:) 봐주셔서 감사합니다.
I have a few questions. You said in the video that the palm pushing is stabilizing bow vertically. So what is the origin of proper khatra ( the external rotation of a bow hand) as it is crucial to send arrow horizontally correct. Is it from the preloaded force coming from the angle between hand and bow like you gripped it before drawing ( kind of automatic) or is it intentional outward pressurizing. Before I thought that this rotation comes from palm pushing hand outwardly. Second is how do you alow bow for the rotation in hand when you hold tight grip?
Hi Krupa, Thank you for watching my youtube:)
Maintaining the natural angle of the grip hand and the bow is the key and it need some intentional outwarding pressure from the three-under-fingers(middle, ring, baby finger) but should not overdo it. if you use real traditional bow, which is made with water buffalo's horn, pressing the grip to outward with over force might cause unstring the when you shooting. (Modernized bow made with carbon-fiber is not that sensitive). push the bow with your halfside of grip hand's palm and feel the strength back of the hand which is generated from the 3-under-fingers while you draw.
and sorry that I can't understand what is the meaning of the second question.. you mean bow rotation when drawing or releasing?
@@wonsangkim3460 Thank's for answereing. I've been practicing some more. I think the key factor to open the arrow way is in the thumb pressure. That's where I got the best results. I dragg the 3-under fingers to me, kind of downside and the left swing comes from thumb push. Yes my bow was unstringing when I tried to rotate it with 3-under. Also when you hold your bow a bit tilted from the vertical position the foreward push is transforming to horizontal a bit. I probably still do something wrong. My results are unstable. I put very much pressure on the thumb muscules to open the bow for arrow to fly it straight as arrow is pointing while aiming. Maybe I will try to record it. It's hard to learn from text.
Thumb pressure is one of the factors as you say, 'archery of Joseon', the archery book written in 1920s, mentioned 'lower the thumb' which mean press the thumb firmly when drawing.
it's hard to discuss archery with text only. if you show me your archery, pictures, videos, anything, it might be more easier to give information you need:)
@@wonsangkim3460 I found out I've been holding my bow too hard. Now I'm grabing just enough to not lose grip. I have improved my accuracy but I'm still not much consistent.
About the aiming. Do you align arrow straight under right eye? Do you rest arrow on the cheek? Do you tilt your head to the side? Do you hold bow perfectly vertical or tilt and what angle? That's a lot of questions but all kind of important.
@@bogdankrupa9096 Longtime no see Krupa:) It's glad to hear that your accuracy getting improvement.
to answer your question, No, I don't align arrow under my right eye but I do rest my arrow on the cheek. some shooting form can align arrow straight under the eyes but it forced to rest your arrow under the chin. it's not exactly fit the forms called 'traditional shooting form'. maybe this picture will help you. check this out
cafeptthumb-phinf.pstatic.net/20150601_22/krezion_1433147181717YaHdI_JPEG/20150508_170203.jpg?type=w740
and I tilt my bow to the right naturally. I'll upload the video which shooting from behind of me soon. Thank you:)
What's the music? I only know a band from Okinawa that sounds like that...
it's a '살자(The Cure)' by Korean artist tiger JK & yun mi-rae:)
Hi
Very important is the order of transferring knowledge :)
What material you have wrapped of a handle?
I need something to wrap the handle in my bow because the original grip "burns" hand while shooting.
sebastian.plum hi sebastian!I usely wrap my jum-tong with natural agave fiber which is made for scrubber or hemp fablic.
tradition kta bow used hemp fablic or fish skin.
today jum-pi, which means wrapping materials for jum-tong is made of Synthetic rubber as you know. this is jum-pi have very high friction but not comfortable.
WonSang Kim Hi WonSang
Lovely thank you for your reply. Today, as part of the test I used thin wool felt fabric to wrap my jum-tong. Within the next few days I'll find out whether it was a good idea or not good.
yeah fish skin provide proper frictional force as handle. it also has great durability and nice appearance.
@@wonsangkim3460 carp skin????
@@redtobertshateshandles Fish skin wrapping is usually made of shark, whale, stingray, or eel skin:)
How about the torque technique ?
Major torque generate at elbow of grip hand and thumb of drawing hand. it should be firm but not too much. it's hard to explain in the words.. but if you keep ask me developed question, I'll try my best to answering them:)
Thank you for your careful descriptions. I have no Master here in Minnesota (USA), and improving my accuracy with the Korean Traditional Bow has been slow. I will use what you have said in my practice tomorrow.
주의 깊은 설명에 감사드립니다. 저는 미네소타 (미국)에서 석사 학위를받지 못했고, 한국 전통 보우와의 정확성을 높이는 데 시간이 걸렸습니다. 내일 연습 할 때 당신이 말한 것을 사용할 것입니다.
juui gip-eun seolmyeong-e gamsadeulibnida. jeoneun minesota (migug)eseo seogsa hag-wileulbadji moshaessgo, hangug jeontong bouwaui jeonghwagseong-eul nop-ineun de sigan-i geollyeossseubnida. naeil yeonseub hal ttae dangsin-i malhan geos-eul sayonghal geos-ibnida.
Thank you for watching my Video. I'm not good at english speaking or writing but I can understand it. so please feel free to use english here:)as you say teacher of Korean traditional archery is not common in out side of Korea. most 'masters' are staying at the archery range in Korea(which is called '활터(Hwal-teo)') so if you want to train your KTB skills, Korea is best palce for it. You can learn KTB by Internet or youtube, but there is the limit without training at the field with face to face. anyway if you have any question, I could give you some information.
Enjoy Korean traditional archery. Thank you.
+Greg Hi Greg:) sorry for late reply, I didn't notice your comment on this video.
I only know about korean traditional archery and there is lots of thumbring archery style. if I give advice in korean traditional archery style it might ruined his own thumbring style. if he has any interest in korean traditional archery then I might help him:)
WonSang Kim ))) I am not even sure what's his style. He is studying on his own. He had ran into a few problems: dropping a bow arm after shot, horizontal arrow spread and string pluck. If there is anything you could suggest, it would be great. Thanks!
+Greg
1. Dropping the bowarm. lets think about baseball or golf, after we swing the bet or club and hitting a ball, we usely follow-through it. this kind of dropping is fine. but if is not, it's very simple:) DO NOT DROP YOUR BOW ARM AFTER SHOOTING!
2. horizontal spread
in KTA, we practice for constanious arrow shooting. there is lots of things to check to practice it but lets start with easy thing. first, constanious pushing power of the grabing-hand. second, let your inside of your elbow of the bow-arm face to the ground it makes your bow-arm firmly. third, make it sure that arrow is sticked to your cheek:). forth, constanious shooting power! then your arrow spread problem might be solved:)
+Greg I can't understand what is pluck means.. can you give me more information? please?
WonSang Kim Thanks! I'll transfer your words to my buddy. By the way - Inside of the bow arm means that bow arm is twisted clockwise?
+Greg yeap:) when archer grab the bow with left hand, it's looks like elbow turning to clockwise direction. but actually it's not 'turnning'. it's related with 'pushing power' which is generated by center of half side palm of the Jum-son:)
I grip my bow similar but point with index finger
Thank you for watching my video:) You mean aiming your bow with index finger?
Is this the KAYA Black Cat?
Yes it is!
Nice, I have one too. I live in New York, and there is no Korean Gukgung archery range, so I am very sad!
Wilhelm Scream Yeah.. It's very sad that there are only few Korean archery range at oversea. it's very hard to find the place for KTA especially around city. there is one at sandiego. but still it's not enough for foreign KTA archers..
I too heard that there are some at California, but there is none at New York. Over here, I am stuck with indoor ranges that are less than 50 meters!!! Argh!
If it wasn't for the loud music I would actually be able to concentrate on the writings, otherwise nice video
Thank you for your comment:) I'll use less louder music for video next time.
That korean bow arrow pass is very fat and thick. Not a good target bow. Why dont they make their arrow pass narrower.
You can use a narrow pass if you want. It's personal taste:) The reason why the Korean bow's(and other many asiatic bows) arrow pass is thick is probably that it was influenced a lot by horseback archery. When riding a horse with your bow, you have to keep the arrow stick to the bow. A thick pass protects the bow from the friction of the arrow:)
@@wonsangkim3460 thick arrow pass doesnt do anything positive. it just make arrow go more to one side
@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 You're right. It's bound to affect the arrow. But it certainly works to protect the body of the bow.
@@wonsangkim3460 .look at ming moon 4 or ming moon 6 bow
@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 Dear Pyramid, Please take a good look at my comments. I said that a thick arrow pass would affect the arrow and also that you can use a thin one if you want. Of course, a thin arrow pass will provide good aiming for the archery. But I'm arguing that a thick arrow pass also has an advantage too. In archery using a thumb ring, the arrow can affect the body of the bow, so it uses a thick pass for protection and maintenance. I search the bow as you mentioned and yes, there are many Korean archers who use thin and narrow arrow passes like that for the same reason as you say.