AN ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING WW2 CLASSIC BRITISH WAR MOVIE CHOSEN ESPECIALLY FOR YOU BY LEGENDARY WORLDWIDE BROADCASTER LIVESTREAMER AND INTERNATIONAL INTERNET ICON SCOTTIE McCLUE THE FIRST LORD OF THE INTERNET #FLOTI DINKY-DOO ❤❤
A film which is made brilliant for it's understatement & the natural humour which emanates from men under stress. Arguably one of the best WWII films ever made.
Thank you so much for posting this. I have it on DVD but your copy is better. A superb tribute to Guards Armoured Division. A fine film representing a British mindset that is long gone.
OMG, Beautiful and tragic. Real footage interspersed with film footage is so well done in these movies. I cannot get enough of what the Greatest Generation (my parents) accomplished during and after WW2. God bless them!😇
Drummer Charles Henry Steer was the first fatal casualty suffered by the 2nd battalion Scots Guards during the Great War, as it is a tradition in some families to serve in the same regiment, your comment made me consider that might possibly be the case.
I love this film and one that I have watched many times. The warmth from the instructors is so well represented. It appears brutal but trying to bring together a group of people from different backgrounds and abilities isn't easy, but behind the scenes the instructors are compassionate men trying to do a job. The training element of the film brought back so many happy memories, the training in 1940 was no different to what I went through 40 years later. Happy days!
Nice to see the actor Michael Trubshawe playing Major Bushey Noble. Michael was a British actor and former officer in the Highland Light Infantry Regiment. Trubshawe was very close friends with fellow British actor David Niven, serving with him in Malta and Dover. He was best man for both of Niven's weddings, and is constantly referred to in Niven's memoirs The Moon's a Balloon.
Great choice Scottie. Thx. My father was a seargent in the U.S. Army for 27 years, I was born on an army base, and I can tell you that the drill instructors DO yell at the enlisted men pretty much constantly.
There were still slums in Britain in 1940, we’d only just come out of the Great Depression. Whole families shared a house and The was no NHS.then after ww2 we were left with a country in ruins, why people think those times were some sort of utopia is baffling
Fine movie, and it's nice too, to look!! It's old, and this film it has a good show. ❤. In a war's some'll lived, and some have to die. Who'll live, and Who'll die, is to whom may concern. ❤. 😂---😂. Bravo!!!!
Una estupenda película clásica del género bélico en muy buenas condiciones. Simplemente genial de principio a fin. Saludos y bendiciones a todos los cinéfilos de corazón desde Venezuela.
That was one helluva good movie, far more honest and believable than anything made today. The realism reminds me of another superb film, "Theirs Is the Glory". The screenplay for both films was written/edited by Terence Young, who served in the Guards Armoured Division during WWII. He would go on to direct "Dr. No", "From Russia With Love", "Thunderball", and "Wait Until Dark".
Did you notice Desmond Llewelyn later to become Q in the Bond Movies . He was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers during the war, was captured and ended up in Colditz
@@Paladin1873 They're flitting in and out of the action throughout the film, Lee was one of the tank commanders , Llewelyn was one of the Welsh tank gunners, 77 Jones. Best shot of Lee is on left of group in scene on landing craft coming in to beach
I really don’t understand why people can not keep their political views to themselves, making daft political comments about a movie showing the very best of Britain - a movie celebrating the part they played in smashing the very views the are now promulgating, weird.
“I really don't understand why people can not keep their political views to themselves,” glad to hear it so I can look forward to you not writing your political views and imposing them on others at all. … “making daft political comments about a movie showing the very best of Britain - a movie celebrating the part they played in smashing the very views the are now promulgating,”. Oh dear, now making comments relating to the politics of the movie. I guess you answered your own question about the compulsion to make political comments!
31:50 and 45:20 That's "Q" from the early James Bond 007 movies, Desmond Llewelyn, 2nd from the left.And at 1:20:00 that's Anthony Dawson from "Dr. No" on the right.
As a wargamer and amateur WWII historian, I can say that this is one of the most accurate portrayals of WWII armored combat I've seen. Not a bad movie, but well wort the watch if you are into this era. Each British armored platoon had 3 or 4 Sherman 75s, plus a Firefly mounting the 17 pounder gun. Equal to the German Panther's 75L70. A good watch for history buffs.
19:36 - The great Desmond Llewelyn (before hitting the big time as Q, in the 007 franchise 1962-1999)... Hoots mon to you Scottie, and a happy new year!
For those who don't know, the references to the foreign legion during training are because when the Welsh Guards were formed they "borrowed" officers from the Jock & Mick Lookouts.
Michael Trubshaw (Major Bushey Noble) was a real soldier. In the 1930's He was a lieutenant in the Highland Light Infantry at the same time as David Niven.
Handing out the mail you call out… Jones 14, he doubles up to you smiling excitedly & just as you hand it over you tell him to pass it to Tonks, even better if it was a parcel!!
@1:55 - "where the Guards depot...just up the road the other side, next door to the asylum" Answer: "Very convenient." I had to laugh outloud at that; real classic British "understatement".
I saw the other day that the UK has only 244 Main Battle Tanks, and that includes the ones used for in the tank school. That's not enough to make ONE armored division! France - 222. Germany - 295. Russia has 14,500. The US has about 4,650. No wonder Putin is laughing at NATO.
@@brucemoore9708 Well, TBF, even in WWII it was air power that dominated. Now it's more unmanned craft and missiles, but the principle isn't much different. Ground armor is just a target if you don't control the skies. Their inability to field a large air force could have been one of the reasons Germany tried to get treaties against aerial bombardment. OFC, allies would never agree because they would never win a ground only war.
Interesting in this film it reports Montgomery's strategy of holding the mass of the German armour at Caen while Patton sped round the back of them. In Saving Private Ryan Spielbergs gives the ingenuos belief that Montgomery was holding up the war , a post war American belief.. According to Monty'deputy commander Monty said 'our boys have done enough .'
the man doing the ironing was my dad mr peter fuller sorry guards man fuller he went into g.a.d and a pathfinder saw action before joining army on d day on the tugs
Monty's failure to heed warnings about the strength of German forces cost many lives. He made similar errors trying to take Caen. An outstanding movie nonetheless.
They knew exactly what they were getting into face ... The British, Canadian and Poles were to take on the vast majority of the Nazi Armoured Forces leaving American troops to seize the Eastern Side and break out without facing armoured defenders
I rate this an excellent British war film. Touches on the characters rather than action. Points out socialism comments; that would get one blacklisted in the U.S.
For the most part the tanks are M4 Shermans, various marks of which were powered by both petrol and diesel engines. The tanks being painted earlier in the film (featuring Desmond Llewelyn who became famous as "Q" in the James Bond films) are one of three types that were virtually indistinguishable. They are either A24 Cavaliers or A27L Centaurs both powered by the Nuffield Liberty engine, or the most numerous - A27M Cromwells with Rolls Royce Meteor.
...thankyou Tim,very informative and interesting. Perhaps that's where the saying came from when one was describing how solid something was, they would say" can't break that,it's built like a Sherman Tank"...🇦🇺...
@@Rod-t9t There were so many tanks in WWII it'd be hard to name them all, but the Sherman was, I'm speculating, probably the most produced and most versatile in the war, and probably served on the most fronts. Some disparage the Sherman for not faring well against German armor, but very few tanks fared well against German armor an tactics. In the end, Germany just didn't have enough men, steel, and fuel. There is a video called something like "the fastest of Europe" and it's a Sherman with modern rubberized tracks, I think it might be an ad for the track maker, and, IIRC, the got the Sherman up to near 30 MPH on pavement with the modern tracks. 30 MPH may not sound like a lot, but that is for WWII considering the top speed of a Jeep was something like 45 MPH if you didn't over rev the engine. I will say it looks kinda crazy seeing a Sherman move that fast.
The Tommies and American and Polish infantry cleared the way for the tanks 🙌 👌 👏 😎 The American 101st Airborne Division was deployed around Eindhoven, the 82nd US Airborne Division around Nijmegen and the British 1st Airborne Division with the attached 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade around Arnhem.
@@ScottieMcClue Of course. I was lightly joking about the film's lack of any discernible infantry close support as the lads roll across the landscape. It doesn't take away from the film, especially at the time, but modern films usually show combined arms and units in realistic proximity.
at the 54:52 minute mark: "... but you know, it IS the same God." and yet Catholics were discriminated against and to this day, no British monarch can be Catholic. So the Corporal DID have a point, Sir.
@@ScottieMcClue Totally unfounded fears, lacking in common sense. That would be like Americans objecting to Episcopal Presidents, (Episcopal is the American version of Anglican) for fear the US would be ruled from London. Besides, we've had two Catholic Presidents (although the senile Biden is a Catholic in name only) and the Pope didn't rule and could never rule over the US.
@@ScottieMcClue I see you deleted my reply to yours. I guess that's much easier than defending a weak argument, but it denies your audience a good counter point to consider.
Well if you are fighting a war for nearly six years across Europe, Africa, Middle East, SE Asia and India & Burma some things go wrong. As the Germans, French, Russians and the US can testify. Don’t let your anti British bias get the better of you.
On behalf of my uncle, Lance Corporal Syd Chipperfield of 1st Bn Hampshires, who fought the Germans from El Alamein to Rome and is lying in an unknown grave somewhere near the Garigliano river, please do NOT say more. Cheap shots about other countries’ performance in that war should be left to those who were there (and there are precious few of them left), not to adolescents who’ve never put on their country’s uniform.
AN ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING WW2 CLASSIC BRITISH WAR MOVIE CHOSEN ESPECIALLY FOR YOU BY LEGENDARY WORLDWIDE BROADCASTER LIVESTREAMER AND INTERNATIONAL INTERNET ICON SCOTTIE McCLUE THE FIRST LORD OF THE INTERNET #FLOTI DINKY-DOO ❤❤
Many thanks to you, Scottie McClue, First Lord of the Internet. Very adorable movie, indeed!
First Lord of the Internet 😂😂 love it😂😂😂😂
AS a american I love old british films had never seen this one but it was great thank you very much your friend from over the Pond
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A film which is made brilliant for it's understatement & the natural humour which emanates from men under stress. Arguably one of the best WWII films ever made.
This is one of my all time favourites! "That man!" "Am I hurting you?" "I should be, I'm standing on your hair" 'GET IT CUUUUUUTTTTT!"
@@chrishewitt4220 I served in the 70’s RN and that “Am I hurting you?” Question was still going strong then.
Yes, that's also one of my favourites!
Joined the guards depot as a cavalry man in 1973, this is exactlyhow it was and yes RSM Brittain was still spoken about then.
@@taffdavies35 Guards Depot 1974 Scots Guards💂♀️🪖⛑️🏴🇨🇦
ex-RSM Brittain appeared in the credits of the '50s t.v. comedy programme "Alfred Marks Time".
Thank you so much for posting this. I have it on DVD but your copy is better. A superb tribute to Guards Armoured Division. A fine film representing a British mindset that is long gone.
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Long gone. I think not.
@ceciljohnrhodes4987 Good to know.
OMG, Beautiful and tragic. Real footage interspersed with film footage is so well done in these movies. I cannot get enough of what the Greatest Generation (my parents) accomplished during and after WW2. God bless them!😇
Absolutely 💯 My Father was with the Paras at NIJMEGAN
My grandfather RSM Sidney Steer (Scots Guards) was stationed here many years ago. He, and my grandmother lived in Coulsdon Road, Caterham.
Drummer Charles Henry Steer was the first fatal casualty suffered by the 2nd battalion Scots Guards during the Great War, as it is a tradition in some families to serve in the same regiment, your comment made me consider that might possibly be the case.
I love this film and one that I have watched many times. The warmth from the instructors is so well represented. It appears brutal but trying to bring together a group of people from different backgrounds and abilities isn't easy, but behind the scenes the instructors are compassionate men trying to do a job. The training element of the film brought back so many happy memories, the training in 1940 was no different to what I went through 40 years later. Happy days!
Excellent Thank You 😊 🙏
RSM Brittain absolute star! Wonderful film, thank you and a happy new year to you Scottie! 🏴
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Great to see the Welsh get a mention for a change in a war film.
Zulu ?
Henry V?
thanks for that - I thought I'd seen all the old war films, but not this. And it's a classic
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Nice to see the actor Michael Trubshawe playing Major Bushey Noble. Michael was a British actor and former officer in the Highland Light Infantry Regiment. Trubshawe was very close friends with fellow British actor David Niven, serving with him in Malta and Dover. He was best man for both of Niven's weddings, and is constantly referred to in Niven's memoirs The Moon's a Balloon.
Maryhill Barracks
I recognized Trubshawe in the credits. I'm shocked that someone else not only made the connection, but has also read Niven's book.
If they could see what our country has become I think they'd say more than, " Ive never seen anything like it"".
"They wouldn't have gone 10 yards up the beach" - D. Irving
Tarific. Classic war movie 👌 absolutely. 👌 a. Gauerges one to. See this movie 👌💣👌💣👌😉👍🎉🎉🎉🎉 thanks scottie. Happy. Holidays
Dinky-Doo
Never seen anything like it in MY LIFE!!!!
Thanks for sharing mate, a great watch.
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thanks scottie. my dad was at dunkirk. that made me proud
Great choice Scottie. Thx. My father was a seargent in the U.S. Army for 27 years, I was born on an army base, and I can tell you that the drill instructors DO yell at the enlisted men pretty much constantly.
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The modern UK seems squalid and divided by comparison to the world just 80 years ago.
WW1 AND WW2 PLUS INHERITANCE TAX ON THE BIG ESTATES WHICH RUINED OUR ASSETS HASN'T HELPED
What do you expect when you turn it into Pakistan.
What was that what Churchill said would happen: you won't recognize it?
There were still slums in Britain in 1940, we’d only just come out of the Great Depression. Whole families shared a house and The was no NHS.then after ww2 we were left with a country in ruins, why people think those times were some sort of utopia is baffling
There was the commonality of one and the same foreign enemy, that itself united the nation.
🇺🇸↔🇬🇧 This was quick touching ma'heart too.❤
Tkanks, it's a great one!
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Brilliant movie thanks somuch for uploading it
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Fine movie, and it's nice too, to look!!
It's old, and this film it has a good show. ❤.
In a war's some'll lived, and some have to die.
Who'll live, and Who'll die, is to whom may concern. ❤. 😂---😂.
Bravo!!!!
Una estupenda película clásica del género bélico en muy buenas condiciones. Simplemente genial de principio a fin.
Saludos y bendiciones a todos los cinéfilos de corazón desde Venezuela.
Muchos Gracias
The days when you would quake in your boots when the RSM had his eye on you !
They don't make em like that anymore.. MARVELLOUS !!!
Great film full of special relationships.
That was one helluva good movie, far more honest and believable than anything made today. The realism reminds me of another superb film, "Theirs Is the Glory". The screenplay for both films was written/edited by Terence Young, who served in the Guards Armoured Division during WWII. He would go on to direct "Dr. No", "From Russia With Love", "Thunderball", and "Wait Until Dark".
Absolutely 💯
Did you notice Desmond Llewelyn later to become Q in the Bond Movies .
He was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers during the war, was captured and ended up in Colditz
@@glaslynx123 Sorry, no. Somebody said Christoper Lee was in it as well. Do you know the time marks?
@@Paladin1873 They're flitting in and out of the action throughout the film, Lee was one of the tank commanders , Llewelyn was one of the Welsh tank gunners, 77 Jones. Best shot of Lee is on left of group in scene on landing craft coming in to beach
I really don’t understand why people can not keep their political views to themselves, making daft political comments about a movie showing the very best of Britain - a movie celebrating the part they played in smashing the very views the are now promulgating, weird.
What does that even mean ?? 😂
Totally agree. I love these old British films. England stood alone against Nazi tyranny.
@@redtobertshateshandles It means they saw a comment they didn't like, lol.
@@freemarketjoe9869 They alone started the war, so, you have a point. It took a lot of effort to drag others into their mess.
“I really don't understand why people can not keep their political views to themselves,” glad to hear it so I can look forward to you not writing your political views and imposing them on others at all. … “making daft political comments about a movie showing the very best of Britain - a movie celebrating the part they played in smashing the very views the are now promulgating,”. Oh dear, now making comments relating to the politics of the movie. I guess you answered your own question about the compulsion to make political comments!
I think this is the best early movie about WWII I've ever seen. Don't miss it.
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A wonderful movie....
Thank you Scottie for this gem. Happy New Year to you! 🎉❤️
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31:50 and 45:20 That's "Q" from the early James Bond 007 movies, Desmond Llewelyn, 2nd from the left.And at 1:20:00 that's Anthony Dawson from "Dr. No" on the right.
Huzzah!
As a wargamer and amateur WWII historian, I can say that this is one of the most accurate portrayals of WWII armored combat I've seen. Not a bad movie, but well wort the watch if you are into this era. Each British armored platoon had 3 or 4 Sherman 75s, plus a Firefly mounting the 17 pounder gun. Equal to the German Panther's 75L70. A good watch for history buffs.
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My father left me a copy of this film on tape and said to me, "never mind what the Hollywood films show you, this is pretty much how it was".
My Father was there
"Hollywood films"
Mrs. Miniver
633 Squadron
Dunkirk (2017)
19:36 - The great Desmond Llewelyn (before hitting the big time as Q, in the 007 franchise 1962-1999)...
Hoots mon to you Scottie, and a happy new year!
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HNY
And look out also for Christopher Lee.
Love this movie.
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For those who don't know, the references to the foreign legion during training are because when the Welsh Guards were formed they "borrowed" officers from the Jock & Mick Lookouts.
Michael Trubshaw (Major Bushey Noble) was a real soldier. In the 1930's He was a lieutenant in the Highland Light Infantry at the same time as David Niven.
Based in Maryhill Barracks Glasgow
Handing out the mail you call out… Jones 14, he doubles up to you smiling excitedly & just as you hand it over you tell him to pass it to Tonks, even better if it was a parcel!!
Guards Depot at Caterham, real guardsmen stamped out there. I should know, I was there!
The old depot , So was I
@1:55 - "where the Guards depot...just up the road the other side, next door to the asylum" Answer: "Very convenient." I had to laugh outloud at that; real classic British "understatement".
@31:10 capt Price`s grandad 😏, but seriously, nice to see some actual footage of covenanter`s !.
A very poignant film from a time when Great Britain was truly great.
If you were upper class.
Wonderful. What a shame the country is now ruined.
When we had an army and guts.
I saw the other day that the UK has only 244 Main Battle Tanks, and that includes the ones used for in the tank school. That's not enough to make ONE armored division! France - 222. Germany - 295. Russia has 14,500. The US has about 4,650. No wonder Putin is laughing at NATO.
@@brucemoore9708 Well, TBF, even in WWII it was air power that dominated. Now it's more unmanned craft and missiles, but the principle isn't much different. Ground armor is just a target if you don't control the skies. Their inability to field a large air force could have been one of the reasons Germany tried to get treaties against aerial bombardment.
OFC, allies would never agree because they would never win a ground only war.
Interesting in this film it reports Montgomery's strategy of holding the mass of the German armour at Caen while Patton sped round the back of them. In Saving Private Ryan Spielbergs gives the ingenuos belief that Montgomery was holding up the war , a post war American belief.. According to Monty'deputy commander Monty said 'our boys have done enough .'
More than - my Dad was one of the Paras defending The Bridge AT NIJMEGAN
Love the Welsh song from a Welsh woman living in Israel
the man doing the ironing was my dad mr peter fuller sorry guards man fuller he went into g.a.d and a pathfinder saw action before joining army on d day on the tugs
Monty's failure to heed warnings about the strength of German forces cost many lives. He made similar errors trying to take Caen. An outstanding movie nonetheless.
They knew exactly what they were getting into face ... The British, Canadian and Poles were to take on the vast majority of the Nazi Armoured Forces leaving American troops to seize the Eastern Side and break out without facing armoured defenders
What errors
Watching this film I see Drill Sergeants are the same no matter what army you’re in.
I rate this an excellent British war film. Touches on the characters rather than action. Points out socialism comments; that would get one blacklisted in the U.S.
Britain was big on free speech
RSM Britain.
...can someone tell me please, what type of Tanks were they, and what make of engine powered them...
Probably Cromwell Tanks with a Rolls-Royce Meteor Engine
...thanks Scottie...🇦🇺...
For the most part the tanks are M4 Shermans, various marks of which were powered by both petrol and diesel engines. The tanks being painted earlier in the film (featuring Desmond Llewelyn who became famous as "Q" in the James Bond films) are one of three types that were virtually indistinguishable. They are either A24 Cavaliers or A27L Centaurs both powered by the Nuffield Liberty engine, or the most numerous - A27M Cromwells with Rolls Royce Meteor.
...thankyou Tim,very informative and interesting. Perhaps that's where the saying came from when one was describing how solid something was, they would say" can't break that,it's built like a Sherman Tank"...🇦🇺...
@@Rod-t9t There were so many tanks in WWII it'd be hard to name them all, but the Sherman was, I'm speculating, probably the most produced and most versatile in the war, and probably served on the most fronts.
Some disparage the Sherman for not faring well against German armor, but very few tanks fared well against German armor an tactics.
In the end, Germany just didn't have enough men, steel, and fuel.
There is a video called something like "the fastest of Europe" and it's a Sherman with modern rubberized tracks, I think it might be an ad for the track maker, and, IIRC, the got the Sherman up to near 30 MPH on pavement with the modern tracks. 30 MPH may not sound like a lot, but that is for WWII considering the top speed of a Jeep was something like 45 MPH if you didn't over rev the engine. I will say it looks kinda crazy seeing a Sherman move that fast.
Lovely film, but apparently the Brit Tanks fought their way across Europe without a single Tommy in sight.
The Tommies and American and Polish infantry cleared the way for the tanks 🙌 👌 👏 😎
The American 101st Airborne Division was deployed around Eindhoven, the 82nd US Airborne Division around Nijmegen and the British 1st Airborne Division with the attached 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade around Arnhem.
@@ScottieMcClue Of course. I was lightly joking about the film's lack of any discernible infantry close support as the lads roll across the landscape. It doesn't take away from the film, especially at the time, but modern films usually show combined arms and units in realistic proximity.
You might think you know a better war film but YOU DON'T!!!!!
Were people always this jolly in those years?
Certainly a lot more because they spoke to each other rather than just their phones
Look at these real guards not like today's short, round,ones !!
I resemble that remark!
at the 54:52 minute mark: "... but you know, it IS the same God." and yet Catholics were discriminated against and to this day, no British monarch can be Catholic. So the Corporal DID have a point, Sir.
Only because Britain didn't want to be run from Rome
@@ScottieMcClue Totally unfounded fears, lacking in common sense. That would be like Americans objecting to Episcopal Presidents, (Episcopal is the American version of Anglican) for fear the US would be ruled from London. Besides, we've had two Catholic Presidents (although the senile Biden is a Catholic in name only) and the Pope didn't rule and could never rule over the US.
🤔@@ScottieMcClue
@@ScottieMcClue I see you deleted my reply to yours. I guess that's much easier than defending a weak argument, but it denies your audience a good counter point to consider.
@@ScottieMcClue I thought it was because a English king could not get his 4 divorce
THE BRITISH ARMY LOOKS GREAT ON THE PARADE GROUND HOWEVER. ONE MUST KEEP IN MIND DUNKIRK CRETE TOBRUK SINGAPORE ARAKAN ONE&TWO NEED I SAY MORE
HUGE DEMANDS MADE ON THEM WHICH THEY DEALT WITH GREAT COURAGE BRAVERY AND SACRIFICE NEED I SAY MORE?
Well if you are fighting a war for nearly six years across Europe, Africa, Middle East, SE Asia and India & Burma some things go wrong. As the Germans, French, Russians and the US can testify. Don’t let your anti British bias get the better of you.
On behalf of my uncle, Lance Corporal Syd Chipperfield of 1st Bn Hampshires, who fought the Germans from El Alamein to Rome and is lying in an unknown grave somewhere near the Garigliano river, please do NOT say more.
Cheap shots about other countries’ performance in that war should be left to those who were there (and there are precious few of them left), not to adolescents who’ve never put on their country’s uniform.
The subsiquent mess politicians made of our common culture after the war on both sides of the pond.
and the mess of the War itself in lost and ruined lives failed politics
Well, did you figure out what the war was about yet?