Body shots are more dangerous than you think
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Q&A with the coach. Everyone knows that getting hit in the head is bad for your brain. But what about full contact body shots? Are there long term effects from hard strikes to the body? How about immediate and deadly effects.
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Got hit by really clean liver shot the other week for the first time. Never felt anything like it, I immediately dropped, and I was short of breath for 30-60 seconds. Was like getting hit in the balls but in the stomach area lol.
Ya my coach railed me in the liver fairly hard to show me whats up, there was no I could have stayed upright. took a good minute to recover.
So true, most human cannot take a liver shot. And most human males cannot take a dick shot.
You must temper and protect those mcnuggets!
Yeah man, the first time I got dropped in training was from two consecutive hooks to the liver. I took a step or two and then it suddenly felt like all my abdomen and organs were contracting and I stumbled onto a knee. I love throwing lead leg body kicks and had hit a few people in the liver unintentionally before, not particularly hard and hurt them a little. And I had been kicked in the body hard before and it hadn't felt that bad. so I was initially confused as to how I hurt them going light. But when those hooks, which were hard ones by my standards, landed clean on my liver I knew exactly what happened lol. I'm more careful with aiming those kicks and keeping my right elbow down now.
@@connormanabanan2318 feels like getting punched in the soul :/
I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took a Knee... in the Liver.
I grunted in pain reading this.
Yes 🙏🙏
You need those to live, thus the name
An arrow to the knee
A man of culture
"Body shots never hurt anyone." - Fools.
Bodyshots are underrated
Under....wear
There used allot in Boxing actually
Only underrated in street fights because people are swinging for the fences, but to really take someone out a fight body shots will gas them and put them down
One time I took multiple body shots in a short period of time and actually blacked out at some point
Apparently the vodka in that bar was 80% instead of 40.
i have always been afraid of full body shots and kicks, specially when you get lightly hit on the liver it feels like a stop button for the body. caution is everything, keep it safe but balanced with the sparring sessions.
I used to do a lot of amateur boxing when I was at University. It wasn't uncommon that after a hard sparring session/competition for one of us to come home and be pissing blood. Body shots are NO joke.
Pissing blood wtf? Did you guys get it checked out?
@@christopherwood3793 It is a sign of damage to the kidneys, it usually doesn't require hospitalization though.
Boxers always tend to be the ones to get the worse of it
Because they tend to spar like a real fight and in their fights they fight 10-12 rounds taking most damage to the head
Doesn’t help that when one of them gets knocked out, if they can get up in 10 seconds it’s straight back to more blunt force trauma, unlike MMA where the fight just gets stopped.
And the fact their sport explicitly takes place at the most dangerous range of combat, soon as you would normally end up grappling, a ref steps in and puts you right back at the most dangerous range again!
Love boxing but they’re certainly a glut for punishment:)
@Relic O' Justice That is only true when the ref doesn't see they're knocked out, or the ref sucks. Otherwise they call it on knockouts, and stop it before a knockout if the fighter can't seem to defend themselves, tko.
Body shots are probably one of the most (if not THE most) painful experiences when you spar. Never been KOd fortunately, but the times I've been hit in the head you feel "shocked" but don't feel pain, you get rocked and kinda feel a bit dizzy, but it's not pain what you feel. Body shots however………. that shit can give you PTSD, and not only do they hurt at the moment, a Good body shot with your abs relaxed Will give you pain for weeks. First time it happened to me, I had to go for a full check-up because I was convinced something had ruptured inside, maybe a rib I thought, It was the only explanation of why it hurt so bad after 5 days since I received the shot. Everything normal in the end, ribs OK, liver OK spleen OK, same as liver and any other organ……. and still the pain lasted for about 2 weeks in this manner, after that I had to wait for another 3 weeks for it to finally stop. It's one of those things where you don't get the dimensión of how bad it can be until it happens, and it¡s also so weird how random they can be, sometimes you can land it perfectly and not do any damage, othertimes it's devastating
I had the same experience fighting some guy high on cocaine, he hit me so hard to the right rib I immediatly fell from pain and I was sure he fractured something and that shit hurt for like 1 month.
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For most non rib cage areas I think the effects of body shots have a lot to to with the ab strength and usage of the person being hit.
Personally the few times I've dropped people (I wasn't hitting excessively hard btw) it's because my opponent for whatever reason didn't have their abs engaged at all.
A few times it has felt like I was punching a big water balloon and usually those are the people who seem to be most effected in my experience.
Strikes aren't giving anyone actual PTSD. I've dealt with PTSD. I've been kicked and punched all over my body. None of those gave me PTSD. Repeated exposure to bad stuff gave me PTSD. Idk if you're being hyperbolic but I'm just throwing that out there. Supposedly car accidents are the number one cause of PTSD in the States but I guess I can see how that could happen, little different than strikes in sparring, comp or even "streets"
@@stephen8996 I'm sure strikes would cause PTSD in the unsuspecting person who doesn't want to fight.
But I've found boxing a huge relief and aid for healing from PTSD. A life saver, truly.
@@stephen8996 I'm not talking about fullfilling all the criteria for PTSD, so sure, if you want to get technical then I'm not talking about "real" PTSD. I'm talking about it being a experience that Will make you anxious about going back, and that Will make you afraid of it in the long term, it Will make you question if you really want to get back in that horse, go back in the gym and do it again……. is the pain really worth it to you?. Though let me be clear, the fact that it didn't happen to you or me doesn't mean it's imposible, I'm positive a sensible or weak minded person could get actual PTSD for getting hit
OK, now I feel silly for the amount of times I've told people in sparring to go hard to my body.
Going hard is for hits on the muscles not everywhere
Same
It stands to reason if getting hit in the head can do long term damage to a sensitive organ like the brain, then getting hit in the gut can do long term damage to all the sensitive organs in that area as well. Probably just not as obvious as the brain controls your motor functions so it becomes very physically apparent when it starts to become damaged.
Lmao wtf I have you added on steam, wouldent think to see you here
Well brain cant heal itself. Other organs are better at healing. Still... youre most likely more likely to get cancer
Great vid, as ever, boss. Harry Houdini's last body shot was by some arsehole blokes who hit him in his dressing room before he had tensed up in preparation for it. They effectively killed him. He ignored the feeling he got from the shot and died some days later fufillling his contracts for entertaining.
Hahahahaha. Wish this was common knowledge back then.
This was all consensual. I got rained on by knees in sparring way back and they were hard but I had a good midsection.
ONE good knee slipped in and hit me while breathing IN and it ripped through the cartilage in my ribs. It hurt for a day then went away. After a few weeks my cardio and midsection's output just deteriorated. It started hurting even worse than when I got hit. It took half a year til I fully recovered.
I've taken a spinning back kick from the same trainer that kneed me and shrugged it off. Wasn't a stranger to taking power shots, but holy shit. The knee that injured me was so weak in comparison but fucked me up so bad for so long.
Don't risk it and don't tough it out.
So what’s your advice then? Don’t risk it and don’t tough it out? I haven’t started sparring yet but how should I know when to worry and take it easy?
@@JukemDrawles87 don't be a tough guy. Don't be afraid to call time out and try to work through the pain instead of tuning it out.
I'm an asthmatic and used to be very sickly plus I was raised by grandparents so the boomer mentality of learning to ignore or even turn off pain was instilled in me. Bad idea. Pain is there for a reason. Listen to it and never be afraid to back down if its getting too intense.
Also, just because the strike was weak doesn't mean it couldn't have injured you. It's always the lightest strikes slipping through and nailing you flush that really roughs you up.
MikeDrop TheGreat solid advice. Of course I must train my mental toughness but at the same time I should know if something is wrong. I’ll pay attention in my sparring.
When you realize
You're one of the fortunate people who have yet to experience a Liver Shot
After a basic amount of sparring its inevitable
I got kicked in the spleen and was out for over 2 months.
I’m lucky, I haven’t taken a full power shot yet and hopefully I don’t but I have felt what it’s like to get hit there lightly and it’s not nice, other than that I have taken shots to the solar plexus which is more often than not less painful
@@MW-dd8vk same. I had some semi-pro dude ( suuuuper technical and small guy) basically just tap me at the right spot and I was down like a falling sack of potatoes (it was the end of the boxing session and it was just me him and coach in the gym) I'd hate to feel anything more than that. Even coach was like, to be fair he did just tap you and at the time it didnt feel like a tap but then I realised hold up, Im not bruised, no marks, nothing. I just was gasping for breath for a minute , completely winded me with it. It was so masterful, but I didnt train for 2 weeks after that lol. Then I looked it up online, theres a video which explains the biology behind it very well. Its very fascinating.
Michael Blackmer you’re a pussy.
Body shots are absolutely dangerous. There was a tragic case in Australia a few days ago. Two adult friends were playfighting in the street. One of them did a bodyshot and killed the other guy. Now there's a murder or manslaughter charge. Before that there was as you say Dwight Ritchie. Both tragic. Also, I have had a few cases of people in the street trying to pick fights with me. I just walk away unless they got so close that I needed to defend myself. Because one body shot can end you.
p.s I read a book about the great 60's boxer Lionel Rose. He said after he won his title against the Japanese champion "fighting Harada" that Rose threw up for a few hours because Harada's body shots to the kidneys were so damaging.
A swedish soccer player almost died from internal bleeding after getting an unintentional knee to the midsection.
Body shots especially liver shots remind me of Bas Rutten.Man's put one fellow martial artist during his Pancrase days in hospital back then after he hit the guy clean on the liver.
he also ruptured a spleen I believe
Now I feel bad for laughing at Delucia because of Rutten's commentary D:
El Guapo The Spleen Buster
My former coach almost died from a body shot, had he been alone when he came home and gone to bed, despite the pain. He would not have woken up again.
Luckily the guy had a wife who sent him to the emergency room.
Same happened to one of my students in Kickboxing. We did a light contact competition and he got hit three times by front kicks. Not very hard, just enough to stop him coming forward. He didn't complain of any pain afterwards, I don't think he even know he was hurt. He went home and collapsed just inside the door. Luckily his parents were home and rushed him to the hospital. Ruptured spleen. Had it been half hour later he would've been dead, the doctors said.
@@Leadfoot_P71 Damn! Good thing your student didn't live alone! Hope he fully recovered!
This was the spleen too actually, he was rushed into surgery when he came in.
Oh and this was the same thing, just hit him with a semi light gut punch, but he wasn't tensed up. I felt like shit when I got the news that evening, he is one of the best guys I've ever met.
@@lakshen47 Yeah I know. Scary as hell. When I got the phone call from his mom I had to sit down. He did recover however, but never trained again, as far as I know. Turned out he had had mono a month or so before and the doctors said that weakens your spleen for about 6 months and you should be very careful with contact sports during that period. I did not know that.
Did your guy recover as well?
@@Leadfoot_P71 oh yeah, I remember that from when I had mono. Luckily nothing happend to me :)
Yeah he recovered and said he'd never train again too, then said he'd train but never spar, then went on to try for next level of black belt and passing with flying colours haha. Tough old dog.
But he said afterwards that it had scared him like nothing before.
what is a mono?
Saw a movie about Houdini in which they showed that purportedly he took a huge punch to the stomach at a totally unexpected moment. Normally he would challenge people so he knew the punch was coming and he could time it - like a fighter. But if your abdomen is relaxed and unprepared...
Body shots were my "Achilles heel" when I sparred. I purposedly kept my guard closer to my ribs. My thing was that I could always move my head out the way quicker than my torso. Most people aim for the head but get frustrated when they realize that heads hots aren't as easy as they seem on tv.
This is really interesting. I would be interested to know what you think about body conditioning in relation to the potential damage body shots can do.
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tony ferguson the type of guy to stab himself to condition his blood clotting and body
Very thoughtful response to that question. Much appreciated!
You're always so wise and measured at the same time.
Thank you Coach. Very pleasant to watch your videos.
Thank you for the video Ramsey. I love earning wisdom from you and implementing it into my training! Interesting topics lately
I go out of my way to go to the body. The effect of a good body shot is mental. It’s almost like you cannot move.
Another one for thought I’d like anyone’s opinion on this matter.
If two fighters go toe to toe and they’re both swinging for the fences one boxer is going to the body hard and the others going to the head who wins? the majority of people will say the guy going to the head would of one but if you ask the fighters who’s in the most pain or who won they wouldn’t know as body shots hurt as much they do
Head shots never hurt if they are hard enough imo those little taps hurt more but body shots are felt so much more because pain is felt by the brain because it's referral from the area of damage.
What's in the eyes of judges? What do they see?
Assume two fighters, one got hit in the head and been knocked out cold; the other got hit in the liver and could barely stand.
Do they call it a draw, or the one been knocked out loses?
To attempt to answer Brad's question above ....I guess it would depend on the chin & the bodyshot pain threshold of each individual fighter....And also on their respective firepower....Boxer Joe Louis's trainer Chappie Blackburn used to have a chilling expression - 'Kill the body and the head will die'....But its difficult to answer this question because there are so many variables in the equation.
Boxers used a lot of carefully thought out strategies in respect of body shots & head shots as tactics to fight certain opponents. They would tailor these strategies to the specific opponent to zero in on their weaknesses....For instance in the Garden in NY in their first fight in 1971 Frazier's plan to defeat Ali was as follows - Don't attack Ali's head in early rounds where he snatches it away making Frazier use up too much energy...In the early rounds use the left hook for body shots to slow Ali down. But also Frazier said - 'With body shots that could knock down the wall of a building by round 10 he will be trying to keep his body out of the line of fire but by doing that his head will be LEANING IN..That's when I'll take his head & it won't look pretty anymore'....Actually, that is kind of what happened but what freaked Frazier out was even though he hit Ali with one of the most thunderous left hooks to the jaw in the history of boxing ALI got to his feet at the count of just 4 SECONDS ....The guy had a good chin & amazing recuperative powers.
I remember seeing that fight on live television in B&W in 1971 when I was just 9 years old.
That voice should be in entertainment...it's absolutely fantastic.
Love the education of fighting this channel, it opened my eyes about training.
This man speaks so much facts he's taught me so much.
I agree with light sparring. Great advice coach.
There was an Australian pro that died after taking a body shot in sparring ..typed this as video loaded lol
Roughly 95% of all RUclips comments are written without watching the full video. About 60% of them are written without watching any portion of the video at all.
@@RamseyDewey is that anecdotal or actual statistics? I'm almost positive you're correct I'm just wondering if you've saw that somewhere or just noticed it. Because in all honesty yep I generally (at least half of the time) comment before fully watching and the a good portion of the time I'll realize that they ended up touching on my comment anyway
@@RamseyDewey does it give you those statistics when you see the comments?
@@psyience3213 yes u can see stats like who watched the full video, how much they seen. From that u can see how many comments vs full/partial/zero of video watched.
Wonderful video!!
I find it amazing that humans can be so tough that there are examples of people getting stabbed through the heart and surviving for at least 10 seconds afterward, getting a pole stabbed through their brain and surviving with a personality shift, and even myself who fell ten feet onto rocks and came out with no damage aside a couple scrapes and blood blisters, yet humans are also so fragile that a body shot can kill them. Humans are weird man.
So true. Some have fallen out of planes without a parachute and survived with just minor injuries, and others die from falling off a bicycle...
"a person of diminutive stature" 🌝🙀 them big words. I love those.
Ramsey - you need to be on NPR or the BBC - such a great voice.
You are ALWAYS a good explainer of ALL aspects of the martial arts for laymen.
Great video! Body shots are important, but it can be easy to break a rib. Bone spurs can form on the ribs form repeat impact as well. Both our hands and skull have developed to be hit.... funnny thing. It all comes down to being careful and respecting partners. This channel is great!
Love your channel Ramsey keep it up
You should do guided meditation audios. For real. Right pace for that.
very interesting not heard this discussed on the net before
Thank God we have you Ramsey.
45 years ago when I was a teen sparing a guy 50 lbs heavyer hit me so hard I fell face first flat as. A pancack jumped up kept sparring finished our sparring went to take off the gloves could not remember what day it was or how I got to the gym that was at the boxing gym I would spar at the karate school all the students white and upwards after about the tenth guy who was a red belt 6:9. 295. Kicked me with a round house kick I fell backwards like Bruce Lee In Ener the Dragon I was only 135 and 5:8 after many years of teaching training I learned most of the hard sparring was not wise So your 100% right I also would hit a 300 pound heavy bag for 15 rounds and could hit like a heavy weight but after 52 years training my hands ache every day a nd at times I can't even close them Sad to say the old timers I think we're pretty tough but not to smart . We use to line up against the wall and have choker chains and hard Indian rubber as a rock rubber ball thrown at us run and dive head first over a belt held by two guys 4 and 5 feet high and have to roll after the jump on a tile floor no mats looking back So Dumb Some morning everything aches
I hit one guy one time so hard his head gear flew off and he started throwing up everywhere like someone turned on a water spicket,I was always a little guy so but I could punch really hard I felt like I had to always get inside where I was out of their range and in mine I really loss that super aggressive nature after I became .ca Christian and did not want to hurt anyone One guy told me his head hurt still so bad still after a week ago
When we sparred he was ready to go to the ER but about the 8 day it started to let up . I was sparring a big power lifter and hitting his so hard he could take a good punch he was a big guy but I saw his eyes roll back in his head and felt like I head a still small voice say your going to kill him I backed off and said were done he said no I can take it I said sorry buddy were done after that I really think I lost that killer instinct I just did not like hurting guys especially in the gym on the streets howerer some times. You just really don't have a choice you have to make at ti.rd very quick decisions So I've learned though you ought to be able to go anywhere it much wiser to not go into some areas where your chances of bad encounters are greatly increased
Very insightful advance
...advise.
good points and good video. I had two ribs cracked, threw a jab, guy slipped it and slammed a straight right into the upper ribs on my left side. shut me down right away.
I was in a court of law listening to a military hazing incident unfortunately the victim got booted in the gut so bad that it split his liver in half. The 2 surgeons that saved this mans life gave their testimony as to how much of a miracle it was that they were even able to save him. Nasty stuff. Care folks
I always prepare to step back everytime I saw incoming body shot
So I haven’t started sparring in my gym yet as I’m still learning, but going forward into my career I’ll make sure to pick my training partners carefully. The moment one hits full force I’ll likely call it off. All ego aside, I’m there to learn and have a healthy career as best I can
important note super heavy bruising to muscles or organs can cause kidney damage due to an excess proteins in the blood. Mostly you have to worry about this if your in an auto accident but if you eat like 200 body shots its worth remembering
Good thing about head shots is if they are hard enough you feel No pain but a body shot your brain is fully aware of the pain I once got hit with a little left hook that hit my liver so perfectly that I instantly went ridged I completely collapsed couldn't speak breath just layed there twitching in Incredible pain... Actually hurt so much I thought I was dying... Really embarrassing.
One of Sweden's oldest (!?) kungfu fighters/trainers were so damaged in her stomach muscles that it was like huge scar all over. Addicted to the sport she had fought and sparred even if the wounds had not healed. I do not recall her name but I was astonished by the wounds she had
Sparring in TKD uses a lot of body shots (aside from competition, where they focus on head shots). While padded chest/abdomen protectors are used, I've had TKO's from delivering body punches (often accidentally, as I had issues controlling my strength at the time).
It also reminds me of Uechi Ryu practitioners. Their defense is very powerful, as they focus on bone toughening and focusing on being able to take shots to any part of their body. Sparring them was fun, as normally it was like striking a statue. However, I found leading them to overextend their punches, it negates their defense and I got some good body hits on them.
Man, I love your almost calming voice, which such a painful subject 😂
Thank coach another awesome video I love your videos rule no1 dont get hit with any shot especially a kidney shot they are painfully bad
Ramsey this is an awesome video!!!
Way too many people sparring way too hard out here and causing permanent damage to their training partners.
I think one of the most important parts about slower and more cautious training can be the effect that it has in the later rounds when your opponent actually slows down to the 75% where you train And tachypsychia comes into play.
It depends on if you are training to be the champ or if you are just trying to learn self defense in a healthy environment though too.
I just think if people are going to work on speed and power during sparring they should probably wear chest protection as well as headgear, but I still don't think taking heavy shots to the head and body are healthy in the moment or over time
I'm the guy who's commented on several of your videos&sent you a picture of myself with a monkey perched on my head when I was in my mid '50's. Never got into MMA, only boxed & wrestled non pro, generally weighing between 138-150lbs from 1970-2004. In boxing I was one of those guys who darted in& out with lots of lateral movement until age slowed me up & I'd long ago learned it was easier to dodge headshots than bodyshots. As you point out, the most "unpleasant" bodyshots were those that caught me "relaxed or in mid-breath". I knew many guys who experienced bruised liver,kidneys,spleen,etc,&myself urinated some blood at least 2 or 3 times over 30yrs. In short, I'd recommend your listeners pay close attention to what advice you give, since I've yet to hear you say ANYTHING I'd disagree with. I'm 20some years older than you, in my mid 60's now& I assure everyone-YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF.
Can I add something from a different point of view, with regards to body damage, I used to ride a motorcycle and according to the statistics the most common cause of deaths in motorcycle accidents was not through head damage because of the improved crash helmets, but was due to internal organs being damaged from the shock of the impacts especially to the chest, I know these accidents can be much harder than in a fight, but it shows that body shots can be and are fatal if hard enough.
At my first mma gym, we did body strikes only sparring all the time, along side of regular sparring. I think it allowed for people that were newer and more timid to feel more comfortable. And still learn how to spar and fight. It was no strikes to the head at all, not even kicks or even ground n pound. Only body.
I think it's a good addition to people's training as it forces people to rethink their options.Although, we put a lot of focus in conditioning and core training. Our bodies were pretty good at taking those body shots. There were also actual amateur matches where that type of fight happened sometimes. The only fight I had this far was with a friend of mine and that's how we did the match, for medical reasons on my friends behind. Rest was regular mma, punches, kicks, grappling. But no head strikes. And it actually worked against me cuz we both kept our hands low instead of high per usual, but he was the more experienced fighter and this was technically my first one, as well as we hadn't trained properly for a while(in a regular gym with instructors). He ended up winning cuz I caught one of his leg kicks, but then he managed to jump around and catch a rearnaked choke. Cuz my other hand was down, exposing my neck.
This guys voice compels you to listen
Solar plexus is also a rather dangerous place to hit someone. Having the renal arteries right there connected to the aorta... I'm both amazed and glad that it isn't a bigger target in the cage.
I have trained at a lot of different gym's,and there was one where we where encouraged to spar at 90 percent and one where we would spar 50 percent to the head and 100 percent to the body am glad those days are over.
Ramsey u hav good presentation skills.good pacing. Good voice. I wonder, do you go to public debates to train? Lol
Had several busted and cracked ribs over the years and torn intercostal muscle , all from boxing, they take so long to heal, and the pain is torture, can't laugh, move, cough, sleep etc.... Not to mention liver damage, I've also learned no matter how much muscle you have EVERYONE has a sweet spot just where your abs meet under the sternum (The Bread Basket), a very minutely small area that isn't covered by rib bone or muscle
7:40 "massive addict - I mean advocate - of light sparring" 😄🥊
That is really sad... like SUPER sad I wonder if his friend even fights anymore to think you could kill somebody in a sparring match absolutely horrible... Rest in Peace.
My first martial art that I've started learning a year a go is shotokan karate, it's all about maximizing power for one shot kills, the soloplexus is right where the diapham and part of the liver is, one really hard punch can break bone and rupture part of the liver.
Considering saftey is for the weak. Is why despite risking catching the corona virus, I still watch Sensei Ramz because I love it 👍
Loving the roman chair more and more, remembering it can be kinda hard to stop an approaching rough houser without a good body shot on occasion, although you might have to stun the opponent first and create an opening sometimes... and cereal could be helpful if somebody might grab you from behind and slam you on the ground as well, and not really get hurt, although you might take a few superman shots to the face in the winter time if you wanna win the war...? lol...
I'm relatively new to boxing... Pretty good at it... I took my first liver shot a year ago. When I tell you I've never experienced such pain and agony plus the fact you can barely breathe.... Those new to the warrior family of the great Dewey Clan (Uchihas pffffftt foh) be vigilant nothing will harm you more. I tell guys coming in. You aren't a Boxer in my eyes till you get up from a liver shot because there honestly may not be a greater test of human will.
Exactly right, and yes typically with body shots if it doesn't immediately injure you then you will be fine, but even without physical injury a body shot can honestly cause alot more pain than a head shot and take away their will to fight you, where as when punching someone in the head, unless you knock them unconscious, it's not really going to make them want to stop, and typically just makes someone angrier. Both have their places, it is good to practice using and countering body shots of course as they can be much more difficult to avoid and you'll wanna have the reflexes to do so built up, but especially in alot of cases outside of competition most people are going to punch for your face
Hi Ramsey,
Really enjoy your channel and have been following you for a little while now. I have a question for you as you are experienced. I was rolling in my jujitsu class about three months ago. My partner wasn't trying to hurt me but I was high-Cd to the mats where his shoulder dislodged my left rib. Now when when I crunch or say shrimp that rib cracks and pops. My question for you is, will this be something I will always have to deal with? Even months later I have a protruding rib, is it going to stay like that as well?
Really appreciate any advice and wisdom you can offer.
Morris
The last person who probably hit Houdini was Mike Tyson's great grandfather. Great vid like usual
One of the first time sparring. I felt like I got the right grip and starter getting comfortable and we started to taunt and joke a bit round. That was the last time. Because just out of surprise a well hard roundhouse hit my lever and solar plexus and felt like it ripped my organs. Then I experienced 4 second of the worst feeling you can feel and it isn’t that feeling “I think I’m going to die” it was more of “I’m fucking dying”. Legit thought for 4 seconds that if it would stop I would have a free ride to the hospital. Turned out to be fine after those 4 seconds. Almost most of the pain went away. But I don’t want to experience that feeling any time soon.
I´m not a doctor in medicine, but I´d be pretty confident that any rupture of organs would result in scarring. Muscle and skin-tissue seem to be less vulnerable to it, but any significant hit could do accumulative damage to the internal organs, just like the brain. Maybe, the result isn´t as serious. If your liver works 10% less, you probably won´t notice, except you get another problem that further stresses the same organ... I don´t know if that relates to any inflammation, but what I can tell you is that mental health affects physical health and stress plays a big part in it. This even affects what bacteria can grow inside us and that in turn affects our digestion and thus our mood and ability to cope with stress. It indirectly affects food-intolerance, allergies, depression, autism you name it.
I´d be thus wary of anything that could cause permanent damage. After all, your main goal is probably to preserve the one body you have for as long as you can. You do fitness to keep your body in shape and learn to fight to defend yourself and not to wear out your body... Here comes a second problem of martial arts: you learn faster in more realistic training, but you take also faster damage. You can learn to take a hit and toughen your body to be able to hit harder, but it´s not for free...
I used to do a lot of heavy sparring with my brother-in-law but we would switch back and forth between striking and grappling. Honestly, the last punch I laid into was when I was about 12. I was already having a bad day and already pretty mad when I got off the bus and saw a kid bullying my nephews. Long story short, I popped that kid dead in the face and it seriously looked like what happens in most fighting movies where you just see the blood come out in slow motion. I usually don't fight without reason but I honestly don't mind a decent sparring session either but in all fairness, it is wise to let your sparring partner know the level that you want to spar at so they aren't too shocked if you hit them a little hard.
Would love to hear your take on Diego Sanchez's coach and alternative training methods in general that aren't standardized and developed into a curriculum. Do they have any value or is the lack of structure and oversight something that lends itself to unprofessional coaches and coaching methods?
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Makes me appreciate what the mma fighters can take. How did they do it?
Good video 😊👍 back In the days i trained only with gloves, now I spar with gloves, shin protection, helmet and a tkd vest. It is the best way to spar if you ask me 😉
Hey coach! Love the channel! I’ve started reading Championship Fighting by Jack Dempsey, and doing drills based on what I’ve read. It seems like it would be very effective, but here is my question: why have we NOT seen it in MMA and Boxing? Why when I search “left/right jolt” can I not see a jolt KO in an actual fight?
Different jargon. Dominic Cruz was a master of the left jolt. GSP was amazing with it- some people started calling his the “Superman jab”
The techniques are being used, but you cannot see what you haven’t yet been exposed to.
Ramsey, this is unrelated to the video. But do you have any suggestions for training with a cervical herniated disc. Haven't had surgery yet. Able to rehab with 5mos PT. I am a former kickboxing/muay thai/mma fighter and currently bodybuilding/strongman training. I am in decent shape, 5'10, 255lbs(decently lean, still have 6 pack). With these things considered, do you have any suggestions for mma training with this type of injury? Thank you for your help.
Which is the appropriate platform to ask you questions?
Not quite what people think of as a body shot. But when i was 16-17 i took an extremely hard falling punch to the shoulder (during TKD of all things lol). tldr i made my instructor mad and he got a bit petty and decided to 'teach' me something. It bruised up, it hurt like hell, but being young i shrugged it off and went about my life. In my mid 30's now i suffer from muscle spasms, back pain and neck issues which were pretty sure trace back to that one event. Hard hits during training can have severe knockon effects, and if youre still growing, even into your 20's it can cause major problems. Train smart before you train hard.
Body shots are no joke, and the crazy part is it doesn't even have to be hard to cause damage. I was sparring and did a light side kick, it hit my partner just right in the liver and he had to take a timeout - we do not go hard, but at least one of us leaves a match with either a bloody nose or a black eye because we are accurate (and getting more and more accurate as the days go on).
So, basically I unload like a madman on mits/thai pads and heavy bags and go very light when I spar (not everyone does that, but I do because I know my own strength).
1. No background music at the end please. The silence was a good way to end your videos. Although I you're a musician and I'll still support you anyway.
2. You're right about the sparring. I wish I could get my partners to agree with me so now I tell am that I won't spar period if they continue to act like that.
For those who arent aware: Looks at Mohammad All and Jerry Goodridge, along with other prominent fighters who got brain damage.
Then look at Thai fighters, who fight literally twice as much as even the greatest of our modern fighters. The Thais train LIGHT! Look up Ali's training camp for Foreman in Rumble in the jungle and youll hear Angelo Dundee talk of how Ali likes getting hit in sparring too much wanting to "feel getting hit". He didn't get hit much in his career. He got hit hard, but compared to other greats, it wasn't often. Train smart.
I have seen fights stopped after hard body shots, even in professional bouts. I had a friend that wound up with a ruptured spleen after getting a hard kick to the lower side right along the hip. So yes they can be dangerous, maybe more so than we like to think.
It happens all the time. The current generation of Chinese kickboxers are becoming expert liver shot snipers. When I call the matches for Kunlun Fight Combat League, there are multiple lover shot KO’s in every event.
@@chriswaters2327 asking for a friend of course 🤔🤮🙄😆
*what’s worst*
*successful shin kick to your thigh or a successful left hook to the liver ?*
I rather the liver kick, cause i rather be unable to stand up for ten minutes than not being able to walk for days tbh.
@Beaujangles McJiggle good point
Liver shot is way worse imo just one clean and you're hitting the mat
Liver shots are horrible. I'll take leg kicks from fuckin Jose Aldo before I take a liver shot
That liver hit
An interesting thing about the lungs and the lower organs. When u breathe deeply and fill the lungs your lower organs, everything below the lungs, will bulg outward and down into a more compact poaition. The opposite ofcourse when u exhale they go back to their standard spread out, original, position.
One time i punch my friend for making fun of me in school at the end of the day and it was in the stomach region. He went down on one knee and winded, not even full power just a quick jab, probably pulled my punch back, as ive never been in a fight or trained. I, instantly, was shocked and forgot all about what he said and just tried to help him and apologize.
Ramsey I totally agree with you .But what happens when you are sparring with a shorter opponent than you?If you have the advantage of height your oponnent will try to get very close to you fast and he must hit with all his force and speed to stand a chance.This happened to me a lot of times when I spar with shorter guys as I am a very tall guy.It is very annoying.What shall I do, as I do not want to get hurt?
Houdini, legend has it, knew he had some abdominal problems but decided to take this challenge. He was rising up from his couch and the guy hit him before he could prepare himself. Then he knew something had happened and declined to go to hospital.
The average person does not know how brutal knees are. They think it's no big deal. It takes almost no effort to smash up a rib. Most beginners need to understand this before they learn the hard way. This goes for many techniques. One reason respect is valued in Martial arts, because of the dangers involved.
I'm pretty sure the reason why that last blow killed Houdini is because the guy who punched him did it out of nowhere without even asking Houdini and he was caught off guard. Basically he didn't have enough time to clench his abs
During the shooting of rocky IV Stallone and Dalph Lundgren had an actual sparring match; a solid hit from drago hit Stallone in the chest hard enough to land him in the hospital for 4 days for heart swelling.
I guess, being a gigantic dude, I know that body shots add up, it is a strategy that, in my experience, works, as many of my opponents have used. My body is a huge target. I've learned to use my mass to block strikes, but I will tell you, to this day, I can take lots of hits to my chin, but even in light sparring, body shots have been the most devastating blows I've endured. It doesn't make intrinsic sense, but when you feel it, it makes sense.
@@chriswaters2327 Man, I am so frustrated that a "smaller guy" as you say, can find those angles..... I have so much mass, my defense is sort of "absorb punishment to get into the pocket" and then rain destruction, but of course a good striker has the advantage inside ,et cetera.... being a big tall fighter sucks, Lol!
@@chriswaters2327 I'll take that to heart, thank you. I'm a uniquely "shaped" fighter, I guess, and my style is unique as well, so I'm always looking to develop/tweak it. I am not a professional, so my journey is, in my opinion, a philosophical one, if that makes any sense, Lol. God bless, cheers!
@@chriswaters2327 I concur, lol! 👍🏻
I got my first hard teep to the guts from my little brother. I'll never forget that beautiful sunny day in the backyard with searing abdominal pain!
That is what I try to get my cousin to understand is light sparing, he dose not want to spar says " I am not hitting a girl" I am like you don't have to knock my head off in a spar. Since the main reason I am learning is personal protection I would prefer to spar with a guy. But looks like I am just going to have talk my niece into sparing me, she is a little bigger than I am. Why larger people because in my personal experience the guy is always stronger not necessarily bigger but stronger than the girl and usually, its men attacking women out on the streets thus I want to prepare for that best I can. I found a local MMA Gym and a Local Karate Dojo I do not know what style yet, but going to check them out.
I'm sorry for the boxer who did that. He is going to care guilt all his life. He can only hope there is no afterlife
He didn't mean it.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y I am sure he didn't, but still is hard to carry that cross.
Be careful what you do, time is not healing everything
This is good and all, but these things don't apply when in the streetz.
Just go for he body
Wrong comment section go to hard2hurt ure welcome
Do you even do any martial arts?
@@joaquinflores3547that's Goku dude
xquetzalo he has all the martial arts one needs then
I’m just astonished at how you managed to make this video last twelve and a half minutes
Really makes you wanna jump into the octagon/ring and start getting hit with hard body shots. 😂
A friend of mine (really athletic dude) got in a fight in highschool, kicked the other guy in the stomach, later found out the guy's stomach was ruptured...
I may sound a 'wimp' for saying this but I worry about Boxers & MMA fighters....The nature of their sport means they are constantly exposing themselves in this pummeling environment. Its not like training for the street but continual endurance contests where the potential for cumulative damage is CONSTANT..Its worse than stuntmen having accidents when agreeing to run the risk because the INTENT is to destroy...Some medical Doctors see their colleagues working in the ring with fighters as traitors to their medical profession. One of the reasons I stopped watching professional boxing was because of seeing ALI my childhood hero reduced to this terrible Parkinsonism....The ground & Pound tactics in MMA take these constant dangers to NEW LEVELS to be honest.....Referees don't stop it as quickly as in boxing & this is backwards as a management strategy.
while i agree with you id say mma is better because if you get dropped, your opponent rushes on top of you and you dont defend yourself, they stop the fight. In boxing you get dropped then get 10 seconds to recover then get dropped again and over and over again. This leads to concusion on concusion sometimes 5 or more in one match while in mma they stop the match the second you are not defending yourself. Thoughts?
Yes, I can see your logic William.....Remaining upright or going down & coming back up again could lead to more damage...But with this MMA ground & pound thing I've seen instances where the ref doesn't get in quickly enough & the gloves in MMA are much smaller& less padded so they can do more damage much quicker than boxing gloves....Plus you see their blood all over the ring of the Octagon..Much more so than in a boxing match which you rarely see unless they get a bad eye cut like Henry Cooper did against Ali....Mind you, the MMA contests go for much fewer rounds whereas the fights in boxing used to go for 15 rounds...& its not really surprising that Ali got Parkinsonism when you remember the endurance wars of the Rumble in the Jungle in Zaire & the Thrilla in Manila against Frazier....You raise an interesting alternative look at it William....Perhaps the comparative prolonged longevity of boxing matches might make the damage in boxing worse....People could look at the statistics.
@@walterevans2118 Well the reffing is one thing and id agree that we need better refs. First of blood is not a direct correlation to brain damage, for example an elbow is more likely to cause a cut but less likely to knock you out. Second the gloves... Bigger gloves is actually WORSE for you than smaller ones or no gloves at all. This is because with big gloves there is no chance breaking your hand, someone like deontay wilder will punch just as hard without or with gloves. The difference is that with gloves he wont break his hand, leading to devastating haymakers being thrown without any caution of injuring his hand. In mma its often the case that someone breaks their hand, which is why one might be more cautious of throwing it with full force and when/if they break their hand they cant throw it nearly as hard. Thoughts again?
Blood is not a direct correlation to brain damage ...Yes indeed..Agreed on that. That makes sense.....Well, glove padding & incentive to throw harder punches through less chance of hand breakage ?...I can see the logic of what you are saying in theory but very difficult to measure one factor off against the other....This would also have to be seen in the context of MMA being a shorter contest of fewer rounds necessitating fighters to go all out earlier to finish it quickly rather than to adopt more stealth strategies over 12 rounds......I think the trouble with this William is that there are so many variables within each sport that it is very difficult to measure things between them..And to assess the relative danger/injury in conjunction to it.....But I can understand your logic...
@@walterevans2118 yepp well i can understand your logic as well. Hopefully we will see some way to make it safer in the future. It was fun seeing your oppinion and having a civilised discussion about a very important topic IMO, have a good day and god bless!
Ramsey! Do you think that guys who got a little fat around the gut have more tolerance to being hit in the body?