With the lack of lube and honing the cylinder with an 8’ pipe to get a full 360 I’d be will to bet he could break the point off of an anvil with a tail feather of a hummingbird. Painful. These engines are still around because of the pre start procedures of the people that depended on them. Most of which were a lube & tune method and not so much a go or blow mentality. That’s something I’d cherish and bring back to an as new condition as possible. Good luck 👍
Although not obvious in the video, prior to even attempting to start I went over all oil cups and the oil feed. Recording it running was a bit of an afterthought really, wasn’t expecting to have this much drama as previously ( admittedly 8 years earlier) it started very easily
Hi jbfromoz. Love the video! I have a diesel/kerosene engine myself. It has 2 tanks. One us for the diesel after it is started and warmed up. The Other is to start it and has gasoline. Give it a try and I will bet you will have better luck. Unless of course is it said somewhere not to use gas. Would love more info on this engine. Very nice!
Adding oil in the cylinder would bring up cylinder compression to get her to probably start but wouldn’t fix problem in long run. Just depends on how bad she is inside of her. Valves could still need good cleaning and laped in with lapping compound. Good luck.
The compression rings are leaking thats why it wont start the tell tsil signs of that was you couldn't get a full cycle it was seized at top dead center the rings are seized onto the piston no compression for the diesel effect to ignight the fuel vapor
JBFromOZ could also have pitting on the cylinder walls from the rust that u had to fight through with the piston. The rings cut the surface rust off. It wouldn’t hurt to pop the head off and have a look at it. U seem to have a decent shop with all sorts of tools.
Definitely a bad exhaust valve. You'll never get it started like that. There are most likely other faults, such as scarred cylinder, piston and rings as result from the brutish manner in which it was "unstuck". Also this is a diesel engine not kerosene. Kerosene uses electric spark, diesel only has an injector. This is most likely low pressure injection diesel similar to the Thermoil cycle of operation. Please exercise at least a little care with your "tools".
Gday Mr Laporte! I have little experience with this engine, however I have had it running a couple of times up to 8 years ago. While it was covered with a tarp, the bore must have had some surface rust form. I agree that exhaust had an issue, which I was able to get to re-seat with some manual activation and rotation. I am all ears for your suggestions, and look forward to learning more. I hope you can see from my other 280 or so videos I do possess some ability, even though it may appear lacking in this video. Thanks for watching, and commenting.
Yeah that’s for sure! Quite the workout, however I am assured that when in good working order, the correct procedure would not be anything like as arduous!
I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds .... awesome old engine and you want to break the rings forcing them over rust.... flywheel loose and ..... I am pretty sure it isn't a diesel engine. .... then there is the fact you are an accident waiting to happen with no mechanical ability at all......
Gday Jim thanks for your kind words. The engine is a MacPherson Imperial Super Diesel. The engine was running when last parked up, I squirted liberal amounts of Inox through the intake and up the bore, to get the old girl moving again. I was in a hurry, and trying to get it fired up on a day that I lost a dear friend to breast cancer, and cut some corners in the process. Happy new year, hope 2019 is awesome for you mate
@@JBFromOZ sorry for the passing of your friend. I have one speed and it directly says what I think, not sorry for that but. ..... I could have worded the response a little less harsh. Breaking a cool old engine, or injuring yourself, because you are in a hurry probably would have been frowned upon by your friend .... have a great year sir.... maybe we will meet as I am your neighbor, I live in Thailand now. .. lol PS.... when wrong admit it... I love these old engines and most run on kerosene after gasoline start... research proves me wrong about yours.... bows to you....
Gday Jim! Glad to have you on board, I find that sharing our questions and problems helps all to gain understanding, may your year ahead be happy and prosperous
Great video, mate. Just hope ya git 'er started sometime afore the sun sets! Maybe ya need to git rid of 'er and git yer a petrol one! I don't think the diesel is yer cup of tea.
Yeah she sat for a bit longer than I’d thought since her last run... first video I get her turned over, second video I get compression, but I think the injector seal might also be dry
The fly wheel with the crank handle is loose on the crankshaft. This is not a diesel engine it is in oil engine it burns a kerosene. It may start on gasoline I am not sure cause I am not going to finish watching the video. You are going to rack up more stuff than you ever preserve at the rate you’re going.
@@JBFromOZ you'd be surprised. Overalls are actually cooler than regular pants, since they allow lots more air circulation from the bottom up. I wear them in the summer for chainsaw work, and the difference is unbelievable.
Yeah was a lot of work done off camera originally, was meant to just be spin and run, as it had previously been a running engine when “parked” a few years earlier
@@JBFromOZ haha ya that would be. Think that would have to be heavly heavly rapped and boxed bc you know ppl shipping they don't care if its damaged what are your plans for it
Hi Mate. Hit and miss is a way to govern engine speed. the easiest example is when the engine gets up to working speed the governor holds the exhaust valve open which stops the firing and the engine will slow. when the engines slows below working speed the governor lets the exhaust valves shut and it will fire like normal until at working speed. Mcdonald diesels with the brons injection system like yours are throttle governed which is where the amount of fuel for combustion is varied to speed up or slow down the engine. By the sounds of the video your McDonald is lacking compression which is why it won't run. Most likely with it being an old McDonald usually you can remedy this by putting some oil in the cylinder and perhaps a thinner lubricant and let it soak. Mcdonalds usually like to also be primed with oil for cold starts to get the compression up. If you want any more help just let me know. Regards, Nathan
Yeah indeed! When I first attempted to start it, I had put Kero in the small tank, and diesel in the larger tank. What I was not aware of at that stage was that the tank had some rust holes between the tanks, and the kero became mixed with diesel, meaning I was trying to start it on diesel, a much harder thing when cold.
I used to own a TE20 tractor two tanks one for Kerosene and one for petrol started on petrol then ran on Kerosene,just love the smell of the kerosine exhaust.
yeah, it was something to consider, I did manage to get compression by hand lapping the valves (being used to automotive valves, I was expecting the springs to be quite high tension, but I was able to manipulate by hand, and was then able to rotate the valve against it's seat, to remove what i think must have been corrosion and muck since the last run. Once it had compression, the issue became attempting to start on diesel when cold, as the kero tank needle/seat was blocked and not delivering kero to the injector. another attempt to follow one day! thanks for watching and commenting!
yeah two tanks, one with Kero, one with Diesel, however the "start" tank was blocked, and also had some rust holes. Next attempt I will empty both tanks and just use kerosene. will attempt to start again once i've done that
Sir, I feel bad for you! So much hate in this comment section over a video! I think it was a great video and it was well edited! Don’t listen to the morons! Keep up what your doing :) 👍
Dear@@JBFromOZ It's your choice of course. But giving a heart for my kind of comment is ridiculous in my opinion. But maybe I will follow your kind advice and try to watch another of your vids because I like those old engines and watch a lot of videos about them and technique in general. Suggestion: If there is a second part you really should have written "part 1" in this title. Because for my kind of taste this video doesn't make appetite respectively curious to watch another video of yours at all. Best regards
Again I thank you for your honest review and thoughts. On the day that I went to start this engine it was in memorial of a friend of mine who had just passed from Breast Cancer. There is only love in my heart for hate helps nobody
@@JBFromOZ My deep compassion for your loss. 2) Couldn't find a second part at/on your channel. But some garden stuff I will watch. 3) Yes, you are absolutely right, Sir. Way too much agression and stupidity in this world nowadays. In addition with way too less decency nowadays it's an extremely bad combination. It sucks energy and makes me really sick sometimes. Best regards, luck and health to you.
You may find interest in this website, a car I restored when I was 16 images.cx/bugeye/index.htm Or this one is the story of us making gears on our metal shaper Gear Cutting on the shaper ruclips.net/p/PLAQog8q6pOF0HLDRZ8Z_f3UEs62ZR8OAz
Good night,,,,,looks like one heck of a work out folks
Yeah I was feeling it for sure! My fitness has improved a bit since then so I am hoping for round 3 fight to win!
After watching this video I had to go and take a rest. I was exhausted!!
yeah it wasn't this hard last time i started it, i tell ya!
condolences , sadly the older we get the more friends we loose .
legend says he is still trying to start the engine.
I really wanted to see it running but I don't think that I am going to live long enough.
It’s on my list still :-)
With the lack of lube and honing the cylinder with an 8’ pipe to get a full 360 I’d be will to bet he could break the point off of an anvil with a tail feather of a hummingbird. Painful. These engines are still around because of the pre start procedures of the people that depended on them. Most of which were a lube & tune method and not so much a go or blow mentality. That’s something I’d cherish and bring back to an as new condition as possible. Good luck 👍
Although not obvious in the video, prior to even attempting to start I went over all oil cups and the oil feed. Recording it running was a bit of an afterthought really, wasn’t expecting to have this much drama as previously ( admittedly 8 years earlier) it started very easily
I am planning on a proper service and cleanup, including building a decent carriage with some cast iron wheels put aside for that purpoae
Ooops at 1:47 ,at least you have somewhere to park your bike!!.😂😂
Hi jbfromoz. Love the video! I have a diesel/kerosene engine myself. It has 2 tanks. One us for the diesel after it is started and warmed up. The Other is to start it and has gasoline. Give it a try and I will bet you will have better luck. Unless of course is it said somewhere not to use gas. Would love more info on this engine. Very nice!
Adding oil in the cylinder would bring up cylinder compression to get her to probably start but wouldn’t fix problem in long run. Just depends on how bad she is inside of her. Valves could still need good cleaning and laped in with lapping compound. Good luck.
At least there's no lack of potential breaker bars laying around!
The compression rings are leaking thats why it wont start the tell tsil signs of that was you couldn't get a full cycle it was seized at top dead center the rings are seized onto the piston no compression for the diesel effect to ignight the fuel vapor
Sounds like it's leaking compression through the exhaust, possibly as well as worn rings.
An old timey exercise machine for working out the arms?😁
JBFromOZ could also have pitting on the cylinder walls from the rust that u had to fight through with the piston. The rings cut the surface rust off. It wouldn’t hurt to pop the head off and have a look at it. U seem to have a decent shop with all sorts of tools.
Yep! That's about what I would expect from my Fairbanks Morse hit & miss too, were I to try to start it on diesel.
Must be a plumber by trade.
Frayed knot! Computer programmer... still much crack though.. much sorry mate thanks for watching!
Why don't you pour some oil down that bore?
Dislike over lack of lubrication.
My guess is exhaust valve leaking by by the sound of it. Maybe stuck rings. I would love to own that engine! I collect them!
Where are you located mate?
Definitely a bad exhaust valve. You'll never get it started like that. There are most likely other faults, such as scarred cylinder, piston and rings as result from the brutish manner in which it was "unstuck". Also this is a diesel engine not kerosene. Kerosene uses electric spark, diesel only has an injector. This is most likely low pressure injection diesel similar to the Thermoil cycle of operation. Please exercise at least a little care with your "tools".
Gday Mr Laporte!
I have little experience with this engine, however I have had it running a couple of times up to 8 years ago. While it was covered with a tarp, the bore must have had some surface rust form.
I agree that exhaust had an issue, which I was able to get to re-seat with some manual activation and rotation.
I am all ears for your suggestions, and look forward to learning more.
I hope you can see from my other 280 or so videos I do possess some ability, even though it may appear lacking in this video.
Thanks for watching, and commenting.
I just can't decipher that Morse Code he was tapping out ...
It says “help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my only hope!”
don't have to join a gym just have to get the old girl going lol
Yeah that’s for sure! Quite the workout, however I am assured that when in good working order, the correct procedure would not be anything like as arduous!
@@JBFromOZ good luck with it
I know I’m late to the party but it starts on gasoline, once it’s hot then switch to kerosene or diesel
I’ll give that a go mate thank you!
How do i Donate to this Poor Fellas Funeral ???
valiant try boys, but its leaking pass the exhaust valve , few taps with a hammer and some oil and see if they seat.
I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds .... awesome old engine and you want to break the rings forcing them over rust.... flywheel loose and ..... I am pretty sure it isn't a diesel engine. .... then there is the fact you are an accident waiting to happen with no mechanical ability at all......
Gday Jim thanks for your kind words.
The engine is a MacPherson Imperial Super Diesel.
The engine was running when last parked up, I squirted liberal amounts of Inox through the intake and up the bore, to get the old girl moving again.
I was in a hurry, and trying to get it fired up on a day that I lost a dear friend to breast cancer, and cut some corners in the process.
Happy new year, hope 2019 is awesome for you mate
@@JBFromOZ sorry for the passing of your friend. I have one speed and it directly says what I think, not sorry for that but. ..... I could have worded the response a little less harsh. Breaking a cool old engine, or injuring yourself, because you are in a hurry probably would have been frowned upon by your friend .... have a great year sir.... maybe we will meet as I am your neighbor, I live in Thailand now. .. lol
PS.... when wrong admit it... I love these old engines and most run on kerosene after gasoline start... research proves me wrong about yours.... bows to you....
Gday Jim! Glad to have you on board, I find that sharing our questions and problems helps all to gain understanding, may your year ahead be happy and prosperous
If at first you don't succeed, give up it's not worth it.
There's always time for lubticant!!
I read all comments....and they were ALL correct!
No hit, only miss
Indeed
Put some oil in the cylinder
I’m thinking maybe some crud on the injector valve as well, I’ve oiled the various oilers prior to attempting to start.
Great video, mate. Just hope ya git 'er started sometime afore the sun sets! Maybe ya need to git rid of 'er and git yer a petrol one! I don't think the diesel is yer cup of tea.
Yeah she sat for a bit longer than I’d thought since her last run... first video I get her turned over, second video I get compression, but I think the injector seal might also be dry
@@JBFromOZ Can't wait fer part 3, mate. Good luck.
@@w.rustylane5650 no worries it is on the list, just gotta get back out to the farm mate
It would start if it had compression. Needs oil in the cylinder to seal the rings.
The fly wheel with the crank handle is loose on the crankshaft. This is not a diesel engine it is in oil engine it burns a kerosene. It may start on gasoline I am not sure cause I am not going to finish watching the video. You are going to rack up more stuff than you ever preserve at the rate you’re going.
Don't miss Part 2 - it's more of the same
There's these handy inventions called "belts" and "suspenders". Might want to check them out.
For sure! I’ve also lost 60 pounds since then as well :-)
@@JBFromOZ Lol, most of the guys in these antique engine videos are wearing overalls.
Too hot for all that gear out west Australia!
@@JBFromOZ you'd be surprised. Overalls are actually cooler than regular pants, since they allow lots more air circulation from the bottom up. I wear them in the summer for chainsaw work, and the difference is unbelievable.
I’ll look into it cheers mate!
Don't put your thumb over the crank handle like that! An easy way to get it broke!
Needs to fire first ;-)
I think I saw a crack in your casing mate.
What happened to the sunnies?
The sunnies managed to survive, although they were removed from his head
Poor thing should never be left outside.
I have some cast iron wheels to build a cart for it one day... shed will hopefully be built in April this year..
Engines dont feel the cold but admit it should be looked after better.
Bring on part 2
They can be Bastards to start at times, I was huffing and puffing with ya
Yeah I was thinking that. Would like to figure out how to get the old girl my way. Without braking the bank.
I thought your supposed to heat the cylinder. Try that.
Worth a shot for sure next time I’m able to attempt a start
COME ON GLOW PLUG !
I’m thinking to add some heat next attempt, get the head warmed up before I try again
En lo q uno le da vueltas el otro le injecta combustible ...pero creo q están haciendo ejercicios
I'd almost guarantee you guys scored the shit out of the cylinder walls when you unstuck it the wy you did. Diesels don't like that very much.
TestECull if it wasn’t scored then it is now with all that cranking and no lubrications
On the west coast. Myrtle point Oregon.
Ah shipping would likely be killer...
Find this hard to watch zero pre maint ,done cranking for ages then cheeks for fuel '!
Yeah was a lot of work done off camera originally, was meant to just be spin and run, as it had previously been a running engine when “parked” a few years earlier
Пока масло не попадёт на цилиндр, компрессии не появится, а дизель без компрессии не работает.
у нас было масло на кольцах, но нет уплотнения на выпускном клапане, все еще нет сжатия
Я должен спросить, насколько хорош этот перевод? Можете ли вы понять разглагольствование дурака из Австралии
@@JBFromOZ хороший перевод, даже не сказать что вы не из России.
@@muhammadaliev6330 технология потрясающая! Спасибо, мой друг
thats why these old engines get fucked up
Gday mate! Pre-oiled all of the journals prior to attempting the start, so keen to understand what issues you are concerned by thanks
Well if ya don't want it I'll take it off your hands
Where are you located?
Titusville pa
Shipping from australia likely to be a killer!
@@JBFromOZ haha ya that would be. Think that would have to be heavly heavly rapped and boxed bc you know ppl shipping they don't care if its damaged what are your plans for it
Once I get some time at the farm I’m keen to give it a birthday, potentially run it as an off grid backup generator
You guys storing it outside is a sin
The shed build is not too far away
If it’s got a battery it’s not diesel diesel works on compression and uses a glow plug they don’t need a batter however petrol does
yeah no battery, no glow plug, just gets hot, then thermal ignition.. :-)
It is not a hit and miss engine it is a volume governed engine.
enginebill g'day mate! I'm not clear what the difference is, so I appreciate the heads up! I will endeavour to find out more cheers :-)
Hi Mate. Hit and miss is a way to govern engine speed. the easiest example is when the engine gets up to working speed the governor holds the exhaust valve open which stops the firing and the engine will slow. when the engines slows below working speed the governor lets the exhaust valves shut and it will fire like normal until at working speed. Mcdonald diesels with the brons injection system like yours are throttle governed which is where the amount of fuel for combustion is varied to speed up or slow down the engine.
By the sounds of the video your McDonald is lacking compression which is why it won't run. Most likely with it being an old McDonald usually you can remedy this by putting some oil in the cylinder and perhaps a thinner lubricant and let it soak. Mcdonalds usually like to also be primed with oil for cold starts to get the compression up. If you want any more help just let me know.
Regards, Nathan
Time saving spoiler, no success in this or the 13 minute part two.
Yeah totally floored, was really not expecting this much drama getting it restarted
JBFromOZ still sweet to see though, thx.
If it has two tanks, it should be obvious that it starts on one fuel (gasoline or kerosene ?) and then switches to diesel !
Yeah indeed! When I first attempted to start it, I had put Kero in the small tank, and diesel in the larger tank. What I was not aware of at that stage was that the tank had some rust holes between the tanks, and the kero became mixed with diesel, meaning I was trying to start it on diesel, a much harder thing when cold.
I used to own a TE20 tractor two tanks one for Kerosene and one for petrol started on petrol then ran on Kerosene,just love the smell of the kerosine exhaust.
If it dont start after a few tries it obviously needs ATTENTION.
No compression
bad rings
yeah, it was something to consider, I did manage to get compression by hand lapping the valves (being used to automotive valves, I was expecting the springs to be quite high tension, but I was able to manipulate by hand, and was then able to rotate the valve against it's seat, to remove what i think must have been corrosion and muck since the last run. Once it had compression, the issue became attempting to start on diesel when cold, as the kero tank needle/seat was blocked and not delivering kero to the injector. another attempt to follow one day! thanks for watching and commenting!
I think you might be on to something Owen... ruclips.net/video/3_AxYnIL8cE/видео.html
i should have taken a turn i feal bad lol
should have put petrol in the small tank !
yeah two tanks, one with Kero, one with Diesel, however the "start" tank was blocked, and also had some rust holes. Next attempt I will empty both tanks and just use kerosene. will attempt to start again once i've done that
Sir, I feel bad for you! So much hate in this comment section over a video! I think it was a great video and it was well edited! Don’t listen to the morons! Keep up what your doing :) 👍
Thanks for your kind comments mate, people who post hate say more about themselves than me, responding with kindness is my only option there :-)
@@JBFromOZ agreed! Keep on posting! 👍👍
Bad form. No pre oil.
Off camera, before even attempting to turn it over the first time
I dont like this kind of video 10 minutes for no result then please wait for part 2 be sure im not gona see part2
I am sure we can get it started in part 3, thank you for watching!
Что тут думать, крутить надо!
если сначала у вас ничего не получится, попробуйте, попробуйте еще раз
👎👎👎Embarrassing video without any real content or sense. Should better be deleted immediately.👎👎👎
Why thank you for your kind words, check out some of my other videos, you might like those more
Dear@@JBFromOZ
It's your choice of course. But giving a heart for my kind of comment is ridiculous in my opinion.
But maybe I will follow your kind advice and try to watch another of your vids because I like those old engines and watch a lot of videos about them and technique in general.
Suggestion: If there is a second part you really should have written "part 1" in this title. Because for my kind of taste this video doesn't make appetite respectively curious to watch another video of yours at all.
Best regards
Again I thank you for your honest review and thoughts. On the day that I went to start this engine it was in memorial of a friend of mine who had just passed from Breast Cancer. There is only love in my heart for hate helps nobody
@@JBFromOZ
My deep compassion for your loss.
2) Couldn't find a second part at/on your channel. But some garden stuff I will watch.
3) Yes, you are absolutely right, Sir. Way too much agression and stupidity in this world nowadays. In addition with way too less decency nowadays it's an extremely bad combination. It sucks energy and makes me really sick sometimes.
Best regards, luck and health to you.
You may find interest in this website, a car I restored when I was 16 images.cx/bugeye/index.htm
Or this one is the story of us making gears on our metal shaper Gear Cutting on the shaper ruclips.net/p/PLAQog8q6pOF0HLDRZ8Z_f3UEs62ZR8OAz
Ale dziadostwo