I mean, matter in space likes to rotate. Whatever was before the BB was rotating. So it makes sense that it's flat, because that's how things that rotate and suddenly pop out go about. It would also explain the super old galaxies. They likely existed preBB.
“There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.” ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Is it just me, or did this feel like an older video? I love it, perfect blend of science and comedy, and the sneaky Pringles container just wouldn't stop! Never underestimate the sneakiness...
Honestly the idea of a looping universe makes more sense to my mind than a universe with a hard edge like many people thing. The universe having a defined edge just opens up so many more questions.
Who's suggesting a universe with a "hard edge"? None of the possibilities, spherical, hyperbolic or flat, have an edge.The Pringles-analogy doesn't mean that the universe would end at the rim of the Pringle - it would be an infinitely large 4D-Pringle. Same goes for the flat version.
They're certainly better priced than real potato chips. Saw a regular bag of Ruffles for almost $8 bucks at Publix today! I'm not paying $8 bucks for something that has virtually NO nutritional value! (Other than alcohol and tobacco.)
@@samr.england613yeah bruh was gonna make sandwiches for an easy dinner for the family and it was cheaper to buy potatoes and oil to make fries than to buy a family sized bag of lays
I still don't fully understand what being in a flat universe means, but know what it's like to be attacked by Pringles cans. Once you pop, they don't stop.
A flat universe means the universe will expand forever but it will do so at the slowest rate. Also it will not break into pieces to form other universes. It may (note I said may) allow space, time, mass, and energy to be derived features of the universe rather than fundamental ones.
I'm a plasma physicist. I'm in my last year of undergrad and planning to study cosmology in graduate school. From my knowledge of physics, the universe is a 3D subspace of a 4D object. I know I just used a scary sounding word. I promise it's not that scary. Imagine the 3D earth. It is a sphere. The surface of the earth is 2D. We call a one-dimensional lower space of a manifold the subspace. A manifold is a bit more scary cause, technically, we have to get into calculus to define it. The strict definition is a shape that is differentiable at every point. This really just means it has smooth sides. No jagged edges. So, back to the 2D surface of the earth. Remember, the 2D surface of the earth is the subspace of the 3D volume of the sphere. Our universe is the 3D surface of a 4D object. Perhaps a 4D sphere. You can't imagine 4D, so don't worry and don't bother trying. Our brains can't do it. Just think in analogies. Imagine lower dimensional spaces(3D or less) and extrapolate patterns to higher dimensional spaces. That's the only way we can conceptualize and talk about higher dimensional space. So, hopefully, that clears things up. Might be typos in this. wrote this fast and on no sleep. Also I'm talking about spatial dimensions. I'm not including temporal.
On the Earth’s subsurface, if you travel in the third dimension, i.e. dig into the Earth, you can find what that subsurface was made out of, something you couldn’t see before. Does this mean that in our universe, the fourth dimension is dark matter and dark energy? It’s 93% of the universe and forms the “backbone” of our universe as Joe described it. I relate it to digging into the Earth and finding the third dimension of the 2D subsurface.
There is no 2d objects. Every single thing in our 3d universe has 3 deminsion....even the surface of our earth. measure the height of a surface all the way down to the Plank length will still give you three dems.
@Ezzell_ you should read Stephen Hawking's PhD. thesis. He proves by contradiction that singularities have to exist in our universe. This is analytical proof. As ironclad as it comes. Oh, and also, we have no idea how many dimensions exist at the planck length. The two schools of thought in string theory state there could be 12 dimensions or 24 dimensions. Also, we are discussing an analogy to understand something outside our universe.
Joe it was right there: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
Triscuits, cheese balls, referring to footy as soccer... and the soon to be mullet? The pictures are perfectly level on the wall, depending on your perspective Joe. Love ya man.
Important to note, this discussion can only assess the KNOWN universe. There's no telling what shape would emerge if we were to somehow see even further out. When you're talking about literally everything, it's a good bet we haven't seen all or even most of it.
@@Andy-fd5fg Depends on your definition. If we discovered a larger structure, would we say that's the universe now (it can't end) or would we call it multiverse or something else? Just a matter of perspective.
I think - when making statements about the universe - it is _really really important_ to distinguish between the universe and _the observable universe._ Because anything that applies to our local observable part of the universe (such as physical laws and other conditions "finetuned" for life) doesn't necessarily need to apply to the unobservable parts. Which btw may be infinitelly larger.
Of course, the universe might be curved -- depending on how big it is. The universe might be infinite and curved, but on the scale we can observe it appears flat because curvature over any finite space is going to look flat compared to infinity.
12:34 The most bonkers thing to me is that none of it makes sense (or it might make perfect sense but it’s just incomprehensible for us). What I mean is… the existence of the universe itself just seems impossible to me, and when you add endlessness to it (infinity), then it’s even more mind bending… BUT, simultaneously, if the universe didn’t exist, and there was nothing instead, then that _also_ seems impossible to me. How can there be NOTHING?! The concept of nothingness just seems impossible to me. Yet how can there be EVERYTHING?! They’re complete opposites and both seem impossible. And of course there’s the other fact of the Universe existing at all must have come from that other seemingly impossible scenario… nothing. So they’re both impossible and they’re both there. They depend on each other. For there to be a universe or for one to spawn, it needs complete nothingness to come out of. Yet the universe is infinite, and expanding… but what’s it expanding into? NOTHING!!!! What’s beyond that? Where is nothing housed? All of it just makes no sense. The only time I see it all, understand all of it, and it makes perfect sense has been either on DMT trips or extremely intense, uncomfortably overwhelming dreams. Only problem is that once I’m out of it, it slowly fades away or it just stops fitting in my mind. It’s like trying to put the indescribable into words and keeping it forever. I guess it’s just not allowed or not possible outside of that state, and of course not everyone will be able to have the experience at all.
Gauss actually measures the sum of the angles in a triangle defined by three mountain peaks, sometimes in early 1800's. If the Universe is like a cheese ball, that sum of the angles would be greater tan 180°, in Pringle universe < 180°, and in flat Universe exactly 180°. To the precision of his measurements, it came out flat.
@@remyrdd Heh, general relativity is very flexible... 😀 Patreon patrons as well as channel members get to see videos several days before they are published - that is the "basic" perk.
"Space," [the Hitchhiker's Guide] says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
So here are some theories I'm working on and some the scientific community are currently exploring; Dark matter & dark energy are only placeholders that are convenient for keeping a framework we know to be wrong (or we'd already have a ToE) working. Like hammering in a jigsaw-piece into a puzzle, sure it might squish in there but it's not the right piece. The geometry of the universe: GR requires a flat universe and that's one reason they want to keep it that way however something I think you've discussed before and is important 'the cosmological crisis' shows that as our instruments of measurement progress there is a growing gap in seeing this flat universe in evidence. In a theory where quantum mechanics is accepted as the governing nature of the universe at all scales, with probability distributions and effects being different at different scales (see the buckyball double slit experiment and the most recent Prudhoe university experiment with nano-diamonds) we can guess that the universe may appear flat but is since space-time according to QM and QFT is discrete it's more likely to be like an ocean something that might appear flat from certain points of view but is more like a roiling distribution of various states. Just like all science on these scales this information is theoretical but founded in the scientific disciplines it uses and being explored currently with some experimental evidence helping to back it up. At this point in time dark matter and energy fall into this category also, they're something that fits nicely into a theory but have no direct evidence and rather are inferred.
i wonder how many of you have looked at Jupiter through standard Binoculars Wil never forget the shock I felt when I saw four moons orbiting around it Imagine seeing moons around another planet.... and all you need is some Binoculars
Too many comments already, but I just wanted to say that I almost missed this awesome video because of the somewhat generic (yet funny!) thumbnail. Looked more like PBS Space Time pic, and this means my brain will explode - you have a different vibe, and we love you for it.
When the videos thumbnail says the shape of the universe is a Triscuit I thought you would make some metaphor about the fabric of the universe being woven together in layers.. like a Triscuit lol. But just wanting to eat one is valid too I guess 😂
It could be that the constants that settled into place in our universe are just right for us to exist because that's what we needed to evolve, change a cosmological constant and life could evolve in a radically different way such as with silicon biochemistry
So the Pringles thing started out funny...then I was like, oh no he's going to jump the Pringles shark...and then 6:33 started and the entire thing paid off brilliantly at 6:45. Kudos, sir!
11:03 - There's a specific name for it, the anthropic principle, aka the observation selection effect. We live in the universe we live in, and can see all this stuff precisely because it does allow for us to exist and live how we do and have telescopes etc.
Don't know if you will ever see this. I have a suggestion. It would be really cool if you got a guest speaker to answer your Patreon questions and ideally had a conversation, interview. I watch you for you first, and the information second. Your personality is very inviting and your science communication skills are so clear.
Five topics to fix society via discussion: -Anti-natalism vs Natalism -The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs Three things are necessary for human evolution which are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care -Platinum rule Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same -MBTI (research yours and connect with others) -Art (pick one and get better at it!)
The shape isn't what hurts my brain, thats where does it end, and whats on the other side of that, where does that end? When that ends whats after that? That is truly terrifying, I wish I never asked this question
@@thomasslone1964 “A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson
@@Lord.Kiltridge im just quoting people way smarter than me im not making any assertions my self, thanks for being so enlightened that your high off the feeling
I’ve never seen such violent explosive power as I did when that savage beast you call a dog destroyed that soccer ball. Stay safe, Joe. It knows where you sleep
Well done, Earthling! Having done a three-part video about the shape of the universe for myself, I know there's a lot of work that went into your video. Plus, you didn't fall into the trap even renowned science channels fall into: Claiming that a negatively curved or a flat universe is necessarily infinite. (By the way, Jean-Pierre Luminet is a nice guy: I contacted him when I made my videos, and he even offered to proofread the script. He didn't find any major errors.)
11:50 and 11:58: The moment Joe *really* understood what it takes to be an astrophysicist. 11:50: I read two fresh papers, and 11:58 them. No, none of the two is _your_ paper. _Of course_ not.
The saddle shape is called a hyperbolic paraboloid. I'll remember that term forever. My highschool math teacher, Mr Leuthold, mailed (yep, USPS mailed, 1988) the Pringles company for math numbers so my highschool precalculus class could have some fun. They were nice enough to send him coupons for free Pringles for our class AND give us some of the measurements that they needed for their chips. Thank you Mr Leuthold.
The thing that freaks me out is how unfathomable the universe is, regardless of whether it’s finite or infinite. If it’s finite, what’s the boundary made of, and what’s beyond that boundary? If the universe is infinite, that also melts the mind. How do we begin to conceive of something that NEVER ends, keeps going and going and going? I’ve heard the old description of how you climb to the top of a wall and see another wall in the distance, so you climb to the top of that wall and see another wall in the distance, etc., forever and ever. But this isn’t a satisfactory descriptor because it gives your mind a familiar framework for how to conceive of it but true infinity isn’t really like that, it’s not conveniently organized like that. It just… goes, and goes, and goes… HOW!? Terrifying.
Here`s also an idea. Cheesepuffs and Pringles are really triscuits when you zoom in really hard and we currently dont have the tech (or may not even be possible at all) to zoom out to see that our local triscuit is just a part of a bigger Pringle/Cheesepuff :)
If the constants of the universe were tweaked to other values, the resultant universe would still appear fine-tuned. Just a different universe with different constants but seeming equally fine-tuned.
Well i'm confused. My biggest questions about the universe being flat are 1. Why are there more than 2 spacial dimensions? 2. Does the universe have an edge? 3. What's on the underside of the universe?
From what i understand there are two types of “cheese puff” universes. The kind we typically think of intuitively, where the ‘cheese dust’ represents the edge of existence, and everything we know happens on the inside of the cheese puff. Then there’s the weird type, where the ‘cheese dust’ represents known existence. Sort of like how we all live on the outer edge of the planet. This dichotomy actually exists in a lot of conceived models of the universe.
I'm not a scientist but using simple logic, the universe's shape is like a Gyroscope, is not flat, and everything out here is round, circulating around something, even around "itself" by it's gravity and nucleus.
This might not be the forum, but I wrote about this years ago while in college. A potential universe model, could combine the "flat" and "curved" aspects, when also combined with the Big Bang theory, all from a Fifth-dimensional perspective. Basically, picture the Universe as getting "hit" by the asteroid that killed the non-avian dinosaurs. The "hit" is the "Big Bang." It's a specific area on the spheroid like Earth. That's the "inherent" shape of the universe--Spheroid. The fuse lit by the Big Bang, then travels, mostly flatly along the very large spheroid, but subtlety expands inward as well. Eventually it continues to expand along the large spheroid, but it's getting more into the 'mantle' and even the 'core. Eventually, something akin to gravity, or just the curve of the universe, would pull everything, quicker and quicker together. The remarkable thing is, this COULD explain the measurement errors of Dark Energy and Dark Matter. And it's CALCULATABLE, with enough information, by a supercomputer, as to how large the universe would be, in Billions of LIght years of length, if this sort of shape is the correct model. Assuming it's accurate, most likely, everything would collapse, and I think would start anew.
It's actually more shaped like a piece of Chex mix combined with a Bugle, and then morphed with one of those triangular Triscuits, with a slight influence of topography somewhat resemblant of a Munchos. Pringles are only relevant at sub-parsec distances. Edit: joke please don't flag me for misinformation. It's really shaped like a pizza flavored Combos.
Fun fact: no matter the shape of the Universe, if you travel far enough, really far, you will still come back to where you started because there only so many ways particles can be arranged, it is a big number but it is finite; so if you keep going you're mathematically guaranteed to eventually run out of different arrangements and find the exact arrangement of where you came from, even though technically it is not in the same spot.
Dude I saw you near Greeneville Ave and Walnut Hill just east of 75, I saw your tesla and just thought "nawh it can't be...." took a double take..., "Holy shit it is Joe!!!"🤣🤣
So in other words, The Earth is round, the Universe is flat, Joe eats snacks with his hands, and snacks eat Joe with their cans. Got it.
In 2019 Joe ate a banana and an ananab ate him in the 'What is time?' episode. Doesn't he ever learn??
Jesus is round, Moses is flat, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat
and with that my brain autogenerated the rest of the episode. guess I don't need to watch now. Who am I kidding, I'm gonna watch anyway.
I mean, matter in space likes to rotate. Whatever was before the BB was rotating. So it makes sense that it's flat, because that's how things that rotate and suddenly pop out go about. It would also explain the super old galaxies. They likely existed preBB.
A fast learner for sure 😂
“There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”
― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Is it just me, or did this feel like an older video? I love it, perfect blend of science and comedy, and the sneaky Pringles container just wouldn't stop! Never underestimate the sneakiness...
I haven't been leaning into the comedy much lately. Maybe I should embrace it more.
Definitely felt like an OG AWJ video. Loved it.
Yes i felt that too.. and i love it
Yes please! It makes your channel stand out from others & what brought a lot of us here in the first place :)
@@joescottyes!!
Honestly the idea of a looping universe makes more sense to my mind than a universe with a hard edge like many people thing. The universe having a defined edge just opens up so many more questions.
Who's suggesting a universe with a "hard edge"? None of the possibilities, spherical, hyperbolic or flat, have an edge.The Pringles-analogy doesn't mean that the universe would end at the rim of the Pringle - it would be an infinitely large 4D-Pringle. Same goes for the flat version.
The slick yo mamma joke drop really made me laugh out loud😂
The universe is 4.8 your moms across
I snort laughed in my office :P Damn you Joe!
I have broken ribs and a pulmonary contusion ... that joke quite literally caused me pain.
I laughed then found my daughter and played that part for her and then said "how does he know your mom?" She grinned. Thanks Joe
These always crack me up, Joe's delivery is great: sneaky, deadpan, well-timed.
In an alternate universe:
A pringles chip is discussing whether or not the universe is Joe shaped while eating mini Joes.
Alternate Title: Joe finds a valid excuse to eat pringles for 15 minutes.
This is every physicist’s dream!
And Triscuts.
next week: Are semiconductors designed like an ice creme sandwich?
'A Pringle in Time'
as a great man once said 2:57
The Pringles can design flaw sneaks up on you as you grow. As a child you reach in and grab them, unaware of the looming betrayal.
What design flaw? I have never had any problems with it. (I stopped growing around age 11. :P)
They're certainly better priced than real potato chips. Saw a regular bag of Ruffles for almost $8 bucks at Publix today! I'm not paying $8 bucks for something that has virtually NO nutritional value! (Other than alcohol and tobacco.)
@@samr.england613yeah bruh was gonna make sandwiches for an easy dinner for the family and it was cheaper to buy potatoes and oil to make fries than to buy a family sized bag of lays
“Something like.. your mom”😂
I wasn’t expecting that
I saw people commenting on a "your mom" joke before I even got to that part, and I was still (also) caught off guard.
Top tier your mum joke
pretty solid (heh) your mom joke
Damn, I spat my tea out when you made this “your mom” joke. Now it’s all over my laptop. I love your channel 🤣
I still don't fully understand what being in a flat universe means, but know what it's like to be attacked by Pringles cans. Once you pop, they don't stop.
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Yop is best chrase/ad. *Hey my mama need that Yop my mama.*
fun fact when you learn calculus 3, you find out all objects are trying to be a Pringle
Flat as in relatively equally spread out matter.
A flat universe means the universe will expand forever but it will do so at the slowest rate. Also it will not break into pieces to form other universes. It may (note I said may) allow space, time, mass, and energy to be derived features of the universe rather than fundamental ones.
Accountant: and you’re sure these pringles are tax deductible?
Joe: oh yeh. I’m sure.
I'm a plasma physicist. I'm in my last year of undergrad and planning to study cosmology in graduate school. From my knowledge of physics, the universe is a 3D subspace of a 4D object. I know I just used a scary sounding word. I promise it's not that scary. Imagine the 3D earth. It is a sphere. The surface of the earth is 2D. We call a one-dimensional lower space of a manifold the subspace. A manifold is a bit more scary cause, technically, we have to get into calculus to define it. The strict definition is a shape that is differentiable at every point. This really just means it has smooth sides. No jagged edges. So, back to the 2D surface of the earth. Remember, the 2D surface of the earth is the subspace of the 3D volume of the sphere. Our universe is the 3D surface of a 4D object. Perhaps a 4D sphere. You can't imagine 4D, so don't worry and don't bother trying. Our brains can't do it. Just think in analogies. Imagine lower dimensional spaces(3D or less) and extrapolate patterns to higher dimensional spaces. That's the only way we can conceptualize and talk about higher dimensional space. So, hopefully, that clears things up. Might be typos in this. wrote this fast and on no sleep. Also I'm talking about spatial dimensions. I'm not including temporal.
This is very impressive, especially if this is you on no sleep. 👏
On the Earth’s subsurface, if you travel in the third dimension, i.e. dig into the Earth, you can find what that subsurface was made out of, something you couldn’t see before.
Does this mean that in our universe, the fourth dimension is dark matter and dark energy?
It’s 93% of the universe and forms the “backbone” of our universe as Joe described it. I relate it to digging into the Earth and finding the third dimension of the 2D subsurface.
There is no 2d objects. Every single thing in our 3d universe has 3 deminsion....even the surface of our earth. measure the height of a surface all the way down to the Plank length will still give you three dems.
Thank you for reminding me I am, in fact, utterly dumb. I'm off for a wee lie down. And a small cry.
@Ezzell_ you should read Stephen Hawking's PhD. thesis. He proves by contradiction that singularities have to exist in our universe. This is analytical proof. As ironclad as it comes. Oh, and also, we have no idea how many dimensions exist at the planck length. The two schools of thought in string theory state there could be 12 dimensions or 24 dimensions. Also, we are discussing an analogy to understand something outside our universe.
The pringles can parts are HILARIOUS for some reason.
Such quirkiness. This my favorite!
Discussing the shape of the universe while eating nutritionally dubious snacks...
Joe high af.
that's his secret Paul... He's always high
@@Chalepastel 😆🤣
i definitely needed herbal assistance to understand this stuff
Right?🤣
To be fair, his eyes are a little pink 😂
A triscuit wrapped in a pringle wrapped in an enigma
Tear down that wall Mr. Emo Rapper! 😂
Joe it was right there: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
But there is a restaurant at the end
Don't forget your towel 😂
Oh freddled gruntbuggly....
@@BromideBride Not that end! The other end.
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
Triscuits, cheese balls, referring to footy as soccer... and the soon to be mullet? The pictures are perfectly level on the wall, depending on your perspective Joe. Love ya man.
Science. Integrity. Carbs.
Jos Scott for President.
He’d be better than what’s currently on offer
Joe, you're a fantastic communicator and every video you and your team produce betters everyone that is curious enough to watch. Thank you
The 'your mom' jokes are the reason I subscribe... LOL
If it was in every video it would get old, but the once every 10-20 videos is so perfect I look forward to the next one 🤣
Hmmm… I feel like there should be a little more than that.
Important to note, this discussion can only assess the KNOWN universe. There's no telling what shape would emerge if we were to somehow see even further out. When you're talking about literally everything, it's a good bet we haven't seen all or even most of it.
Does it even end?.... what would come after it if it does end? more space?
@@Andy-fd5fg Depends on your definition. If we discovered a larger structure, would we say that's the universe now (it can't end) or would we call it multiverse or something else? Just a matter of perspective.
Real ones know it’s a torus
7:52 Joe got jokes! 😂
I had to rewind and hear that one again to make sure
Best line in the entire video: "...bubbling up from the cosmic foam." That's some serious E = mc^2 level stuff right there, Joe.
What about a donut universe? Don't you want to eat donuts, too?
torus-- i have heard interesting theories about that
@@Xebelan I know it's called a torus but that doesn't sound as tasty.
@@ThatReplyGuy does a hyper torus sound tastier? cause thats what it would actually be
There’s a hole in that logic.
I think - when making statements about the universe - it is _really really important_ to distinguish between the universe and _the observable universe._ Because anything that applies to our local observable part of the universe (such as physical laws and other conditions "finetuned" for life) doesn't necessarily need to apply to the unobservable parts. Which btw may be infinitelly larger.
Of course, the universe might be curved -- depending on how big it is. The universe might be infinite and curved, but on the scale we can observe it appears flat because curvature over any finite space is going to look flat compared to infinity.
1:40 Joe Scott for Supreme Leader of Earth 2024
This made me laugh 😂
“Integrity! Pop”
your returning hand stuck in pringles thing somehow was the funniest shit to me :) thanks for the laugh, and the cool video.
12:34 The most bonkers thing to me is that none of it makes sense (or it might make perfect sense but it’s just incomprehensible for us). What I mean is… the existence of the universe itself just seems impossible to me, and when you add endlessness to it (infinity), then it’s even more mind bending… BUT, simultaneously, if the universe didn’t exist, and there was nothing instead, then that _also_ seems impossible to me. How can there be NOTHING?! The concept of nothingness just seems impossible to me. Yet how can there be EVERYTHING?! They’re complete opposites and both seem impossible. And of course there’s the other fact of the Universe existing at all must have come from that other seemingly impossible scenario… nothing. So they’re both impossible and they’re both there. They depend on each other. For there to be a universe or for one to spawn, it needs complete nothingness to come out of. Yet the universe is infinite, and expanding… but what’s it expanding into? NOTHING!!!! What’s beyond that? Where is nothing housed? All of it just makes no sense. The only time I see it all, understand all of it, and it makes perfect sense has been either on DMT trips or extremely intense, uncomfortably overwhelming dreams. Only problem is that once I’m out of it, it slowly fades away or it just stops fitting in my mind. It’s like trying to put the indescribable into words and keeping it forever. I guess it’s just not allowed or not possible outside of that state, and of course not everyone will be able to have the experience at all.
Gauss actually measures the sum of the angles in a triangle defined by three mountain peaks, sometimes in early 1800's. If the Universe is like a cheese ball, that sum of the angles would be greater tan 180°, in Pringle universe < 180°, and in flat Universe exactly 180°. To the precision of his measurements, it came out flat.
What Youtubogical topology allows you to comment 7 days before the video is released ?
@@remyrdd Heh, general relativity is very flexible... 😀
Patreon patrons as well as channel members get to see videos several days before they are published - that is the "basic" perk.
@@remyrdd People that 'join' and donate monthly iirc.
Thanks Joe - it really does sound as if the Universe was intelligently designed. All food for thought l suppose ❤
0:51 bro... now you can't stop!
The fun don’t stop
the sound bowling balls make
Legend has it he never did
7:53 This man is a genius. And the pringles bit got me too.
Some good science from Joe, some cosmos, and some shredded wheat biscuits.
This is a better Monday than most.
"Space," [the Hitchhiker's Guide] says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
Triscuits are actually surprisingly healthy. They're just shredded whole wheat, oil, and salt.
And they're great with hummus
Healthy snacks? For SHAME!
They're not as healthy when you put cheese on them, but they taste great.
I didn't want a triscuit until I learned of their existence.
@@richardsmith5249 Same here.
1% Space talk
99% Cheeseball and Pringles eating 😂
Damn it Joe. Now I have to go to the store! I don't have cheese balls or Pringles or triscuits and now I'm hungry
Snack run!
So here are some theories I'm working on and some the scientific community are currently exploring;
Dark matter & dark energy are only placeholders that are convenient for keeping a framework we know to be wrong (or we'd already have a ToE) working. Like hammering in a jigsaw-piece into a puzzle, sure it might squish in there but it's not the right piece.
The geometry of the universe: GR requires a flat universe and that's one reason they want to keep it that way however something I think you've discussed before and is important 'the cosmological crisis' shows that as our instruments of measurement progress there is a growing gap in seeing this flat universe in evidence.
In a theory where quantum mechanics is accepted as the governing nature of the universe at all scales, with probability distributions and effects being different at different scales (see the buckyball double slit experiment and the most recent Prudhoe university experiment with nano-diamonds) we can guess that the universe may appear flat but is since space-time according to QM and QFT is discrete it's more likely to be like an ocean something that might appear flat from certain points of view but is more like a roiling distribution of various states.
Just like all science on these scales this information is theoretical but founded in the scientific disciplines it uses and being explored currently with some experimental evidence helping to back it up. At this point in time dark matter and energy fall into this category also, they're something that fits nicely into a theory but have no direct evidence and rather are inferred.
i wonder how many of you have looked at Jupiter through standard Binoculars
Wil never forget the shock I felt when I saw four moons orbiting around it
Imagine seeing moons around another planet.... and all you need is some Binoculars
5:34 Triscuits… if you wanna eat tiny wicker baskets. - Chandler, “Friends” - RIP Matthew Perry
Maaaan that moment you have that “hearing someone chew” disorder and here comes someone chewing chips UGH 😑 wanted to spike my phone on the ground.
If you did not watch, near the end he suggested going to another channel, such as Dr. Becky or Fraser Cain, where they actually know this stuff.
Yeah, after the third time I was just too icked out to finish watching, because you know he's going to keep doing it. 🙄 Otherwise, love other content.
I loved the running gag where you kept getting your hands stuck in the Pringles cans, à la Homer Simpson.
I imagine the universe is round just like Earth is. Its just so big we can't see the curve.
Most probably
Too many comments already, but I just wanted to say that I almost missed this awesome video because of the somewhat generic (yet funny!) thumbnail. Looked more like PBS Space Time pic, and this means my brain will explode - you have a different vibe, and we love you for it.
When the videos thumbnail says the shape of the universe is a Triscuit I thought you would make some metaphor about the fabric of the universe being woven together in layers.. like a Triscuit lol. But just wanting to eat one is valid too I guess 😂
That's what I was thinking too
The pringles-can gag was fantastic, I chuckled every time.
Pringles gag good.
Tbh not really
Predictable 🤷♂️
Good dad gag joke
For the other laypeople out there:
If "Pringles shape" is too technical, it is also referred to as a hyperbolic paraboloid.
Hope that helps.
Maaaan the smooth yo momma joke in there is wild! lol
It could be that the constants that settled into place in our universe are just right for us to exist because that's what we needed to evolve, change a cosmological constant and life could evolve in a radically different way such as with silicon biochemistry
I always figured giving the universe a shape would give it boundaries, but the universe has no boundaries
So the Pringles thing started out funny...then I was like, oh no he's going to jump the Pringles shark...and then 6:33 started and the entire thing paid off brilliantly at 6:45. Kudos, sir!
11:03 - There's a specific name for it, the anthropic principle, aka the observation selection effect. We live in the universe we live in, and can see all this stuff precisely because it does allow for us to exist and live how we do and have telescopes etc.
Don't know if you will ever see this. I have a suggestion. It would be really cool if you got a guest speaker to answer your Patreon questions and ideally had a conversation, interview. I watch you for you first, and the information second. Your personality is very inviting and your science communication skills are so clear.
The "flat Earthers" must be eating this up! (pun intended)
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things are necessary for human evolution which are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
"Released one minute ago"
*comments* : "7 days ago"
huh...
I think it could be released early for patron people maybe?
he broke the matrix with this video
He's a time traveller
@@dl5930 Yep videos can be uploaded yet unlisted. Usually a week early perk for patreon.
Surely a “flat universe society” shirt with a triscuit would make good Joe merch
The shape isn't what hurts my brain, thats where does it end, and whats on the other side of that, where does that end? When that ends whats after that? That is truly terrifying, I wish I never asked this question
1) Time dilatates with size. 2) Every atom is a galaxy. 3) Every galaxy is an atom.
atoms don't mix
@@thomasslone1964 “A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson
@@Lord.Kiltridge uh... ill just repeat my self, atoms dont mix
@@thomasslone1964 You know enough to think you are right, but not enough to know you are wrong, and it would seem, blissful in your ignorance.
@@Lord.Kiltridge im just quoting people way smarter than me im not making any assertions my self, thanks for being so enlightened that your high off the feeling
6:50 wait that side door is a bathroom?! For years I thought it led to the hallway
I’ve never seen such violent explosive power as I did when that savage beast you call a dog destroyed that soccer ball. Stay safe, Joe. It knows where you sleep
Well done, Earthling! Having done a three-part video about the shape of the universe for myself, I know there's a lot of work that went into your video. Plus, you didn't fall into the trap even renowned science channels fall into: Claiming that a negatively curved or a flat universe is necessarily infinite.
(By the way, Jean-Pierre Luminet is a nice guy: I contacted him when I made my videos, and he even offered to proofread the script. He didn't find any major errors.)
The pringle theory reminds me of Avengers 4 when Tony Stark uses an inverted Mobius Strip to prove time travel and it works! @JoeScott
11:50 and 11:58: The moment Joe *really* understood what it takes to be an astrophysicist. 11:50: I read two fresh papers, and 11:58 them. No, none of the two is _your_ paper. _Of course_ not.
The saddle shape is called a hyperbolic paraboloid.
I'll remember that term forever. My highschool math teacher, Mr Leuthold, mailed (yep, USPS mailed, 1988) the Pringles company for math numbers so my highschool precalculus class could have some fun. They were nice enough to send him coupons for free Pringles for our class AND give us some of the measurements that they needed for their chips.
Thank you Mr Leuthold.
Thanks for clearing everything up.
This week on "Snacking with Joe" lol loved the running gag
At 4:22 I half expected a clip about Monica voicelessly saying "Seven!"
A true friend is the most precious of all possessions and the one we take the least thought about acquiring.
Omg I found this channel today and already have an 8 hour workday Playlist of nothing but this channel lol
"Snack for SCIENCE!"...lol. Great episode,sir,like how you slid the "your mom" joke in there.
The thing that freaks me out is how unfathomable the universe is, regardless of whether it’s finite or infinite. If it’s finite, what’s the boundary made of, and what’s beyond that boundary? If the universe is infinite, that also melts the mind. How do we begin to conceive of something that NEVER ends, keeps going and going and going? I’ve heard the old description of how you climb to the top of a wall and see another wall in the distance, so you climb to the top of that wall and see another wall in the distance, etc., forever and ever. But this isn’t a satisfactory descriptor because it gives your mind a familiar framework for how to conceive of it but true infinity isn’t really like that, it’s not conveniently organized like that. It just… goes, and goes, and goes… HOW!? Terrifying.
Here`s also an idea. Cheesepuffs and Pringles are really triscuits when you zoom in really hard and we currently dont have the tech (or may not even be possible at all) to zoom out to see that our local triscuit is just a part of a bigger Pringle/Cheesepuff :)
Damn it Joe, now I want a Triscuit!
Go back to doing the spin-in! I watch your TMI. Spin-in Forever! Love ya Joe.
7:48 lmao this BROKE me, how dare you 😂
If the constants of the universe were tweaked to other values, the resultant universe would still appear fine-tuned. Just a different universe with different constants but seeming equally fine-tuned.
LOL the pringle bit made me chuckle. Well done sir.
A) Quality "your mom" joke.
B) The death of a flat universe is the heat death scenario.
C) Excellent segue to the sponsor. 9/10.
Dammit, Joe, you made me die in the game I was playing because of that "yo mama" joke. I laughed way too hard at that!
Just finally stopped laughing about the not so subtle your mom joke lmao fabulously placed good sir
“I wanted a Triscuit. Shut up.” 😂😂🤣😂
Love the humour/seriousness ratio in this video.. reminds me of the olden days of the channel..
What a crisp analysis!
Thanks for the turn at the end. Also, loved the Pringle goodness
Well i'm confused. My biggest questions about the universe being flat are 1. Why are there more than 2 spacial dimensions? 2. Does the universe have an edge? 3. What's on the underside of the universe?
From what i understand there are two types of “cheese puff” universes.
The kind we typically think of intuitively, where the ‘cheese dust’ represents the edge of existence, and everything we know happens on the inside of the cheese puff.
Then there’s the weird type, where the ‘cheese dust’ represents known existence. Sort of like how we all live on the outer edge of the planet.
This dichotomy actually exists in a lot of conceived models of the universe.
I'm not a scientist but using simple logic, the universe's shape is like a Gyroscope, is not flat, and everything out here is round, circulating around something, even around "itself" by it's gravity and nucleus.
Infinity is easier to accept than understand. No beginning is easier to accept than understand. It humbles the greatest minds.
Now I too want a triscuit, thanks for that
"Your mom" is back!!! A throw-back from classic AwJ.
First you make me hungry and then you flame me with that mom joke. You sir are a menace
This might not be the forum, but I wrote about this years ago while in college. A potential universe model, could combine the "flat" and "curved" aspects, when also combined with the Big Bang theory, all from a Fifth-dimensional perspective. Basically, picture the Universe as getting "hit" by the asteroid that killed the non-avian dinosaurs. The "hit" is the "Big Bang." It's a specific area on the spheroid like Earth. That's the "inherent" shape of the universe--Spheroid. The fuse lit by the Big Bang, then travels, mostly flatly along the very large spheroid, but subtlety expands inward as well. Eventually it continues to expand along the large spheroid, but it's getting more into the 'mantle' and even the 'core. Eventually, something akin to gravity, or just the curve of the universe, would pull everything, quicker and quicker together.
The remarkable thing is, this COULD explain the measurement errors of Dark Energy and Dark Matter. And it's CALCULATABLE, with enough information, by a supercomputer, as to how large the universe would be, in Billions of LIght years of length, if this sort of shape is the correct model. Assuming it's accurate, most likely, everything would collapse, and I think would start anew.
It's actually more shaped like a piece of Chex mix combined with a Bugle, and then morphed with one of those triangular Triscuits, with a slight influence of topography somewhat resemblant of a Munchos. Pringles are only relevant at sub-parsec distances.
Edit: joke please don't flag me for misinformation. It's really shaped like a pizza flavored Combos.
The pop sound effect is just gold-
Fun fact: no matter the shape of the Universe, if you travel far enough, really far, you will still come back to where you started because there only so many ways particles can be arranged, it is a big number but it is finite; so if you keep going you're mathematically guaranteed to eventually run out of different arrangements and find the exact arrangement of where you came from, even though technically it is not in the same spot.
3:56 And the look on his face at 4:22 😆 should be a meme.
Dude I saw you near Greeneville Ave and Walnut Hill just east of 75, I saw your tesla and just thought "nawh it can't be...." took a double take..., "Holy shit it is Joe!!!"🤣🤣