Story Structure: Writing the Premise or Log Line for Your Novel, Film, or Play (The Karate Kid)
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I've researched this from different sources, but you summed it up.
I wrote my 1st draft, with an outline, but not a logline; it was 150k, too long. I found it hard to remove the appendages, but now I see that some of them are vestiges.
After the draft, I did write a 2 long sentence logline, now I see how it could be 1. I wrote it while watching.
Something like "a bored barista is recruited to join an up tight investigator to solve the murder of a graduate student."
Logline was something that I've struggled with the last 3 months. Solved in 27 minutes. Really appreciate it.
I’m so glad it helped, John. It took me a long time to synthesize this stuff but once I did things started clicking along. Makes me happy if it helps other writers. Thanks for watching and letting me know!
One day I started writing on yellow pad paper, black ink. I wrote fast, I didn’t fiddle with plot. Plot was wasted on me. Character was the thing. I could 27:26 see it. I could hear it. So I wrote it; as fast as I could. I was happy.
I still have no plot, and I should be unhappy, but I’m not: A plot and a premise is coming together. I recognize it is ESSENTIAL and I’ve been looking for it all this time. I’m on the far end of the “pantsing” spectrum. I can’t help it. Yes yes I know I’m in for a lot of revision.
When I finally nail down my premise It will add drama, conflict, and all the rest. I had to start with character, their strengths and pathetic selves. I know it’s backwards, but it is the most compelling for me; and so became my starting point when the pen met the paper. Your video came late to me, but it’s not too late. As my character “Guppy “ would say
“Sorry, Sorry, Sorry .” (Asperger kid). Ha ha, writing is SO fun. Thanks for answering Frankie’s question.
@joerideabike, some of the best fiction comes out of character as you’ve described it. I’m thinking of Flowers for Algernon and a terrific book called Mary After All by my friend Bill Gordon. And dozens of others.
Yes, you may be in for revisions, and yes it might not be a case of premise and theme first. But follow your instincts. Make your own technique. This is what craft is all about.
Thanks for watching and writing in. Wishing you my best.
Keep up the good work! You deserve a lot more recognition as a chanel, such an abundance source of knowledge in here
Very kind of you to say so, @vitzbig. Thanks for watching and checking in. More to come. Stay tuned!
You're doing a great job another reason I love your multi-faset channel.
I was a student of the late screenplay Guru, Syd Field. He tought a class that went in habd with the writer's store there in LA California, I miss that man, he had some mad skills, helped ke and many others omhow to break down a story.
My personal favorite is asking people, what is Disney's Finding Nemo about?
Most if not all will say, well, it's about A Father finding his Son, hello, it's in the title, Finding Nemo.
I love the look on their face as I say the following and you can just see the lights come on...
Its about Overcoming Fear.
Marlon had to face his many fears, the fish in the aquarium had to face thier fears. It drenched with facing your fears and so is its follow up Finding Dory.
Best Tag line in the industry,
"In Space, no one can hear you Scream."
I use that as an inspirational model to help carve out with guidance my own tag lines.
If we knew each other in real life, you'd have a good story and script buddy 👍
This Finding Nemo/Finding Dory stuff is great, @dadtype2339. That's the gist of what I teach, to find the story beneath the story, the one that everyone can relate to.
Great, great stuff and I thank you for bringing it up.
Sorry for the typos, too long to edit it on my phone, and it makes the typos...or me as I use it...but in the words of Ernest Hemingway, all first drafts are 💩💩💩
Lol hope that got a smile.
Thanks for all your hard work, I'm trying to help your channel by giving ever video I watch a thumbs up. 👍 Hope your RUclips analytics have shown an increase on likes, and your channel explodes!
I mash that like button like the switch on an elevator, as it has nowhere to go but UP!!
Be well and be safe! Let's kill some blank pages!
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You're welcome really enjoy your channel ❤️
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Thank you!
My pleasure, @spotterofgold. Thanks for watching!
Again, my pleasure.
If it helps, @sunrise600, here’s the special preview link, which offers a nine minute video on what the course covers. With hopes it helps you.
www.damon.academy/courses/special-preview
Thanks for a great video. I'm getting stuck into your course and I think I have my theme statement finally. Doing the work, little by little.
Little by little is good, @BradFonseca. When you think you’re ready, feel free to shoot me your theme. You know the address. Wishing you good output!
@@TheWriteStuffPro-DamonDiMarco Thank you for the offer. I've sent it along.
I found this a really cool video. I love writing little ideas and always want to start writing a full on story, but I get overwhelmed with where to begin. Would you recommend your course for beginners? It seems like it would be really helpful to just have a framework of how to approach the whole process, I never went to school for writing or anything but am very interested in one day pursuing it
PS I love your content, and I do one day want to write on a typewriter for various reasons - but yeah just wanted to say I really like your stuff and keep going please! Learned a lot in this video, I even already had the hero's journey book you mentioned but haven't read it (sigh)
Hi @sunrise600. To answer your question: yes. I built Break Your Story for writers of every level, beginner to master.
This was possible because the course teaches principles. Fundamentals. Beginners often don't know them and masters forget them all too frequently. Therefore, anyone can profit from the material.
The beginner learns how to start while the master remembers how to finish.
I never went to school for writing either. I don't think you have to go to school to be a good writer. But you should take lots of on-the-job training. Break Your Story will certainly help with that.
I love typewriters for many reasons, @sunrise600. Not the least of which is that they force you to move forward. You cannot go back and delete. So each session becomes a brain dump. Not meant to be perfect.
Get everything out in whatever form it comes out in. Then go back over it and apply what you've learned in courses like Break Your Story. Rewrite. Repeat as needed.
If you're referring to Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces, I hear you and I sympathize. His writing came from a different era and talked about less-than-concrete topics. It can be dense for some readers. Fear not. If you don't feel up to it, plenty of storytelling coaches, myself included, have tried to synthesize the more important, actable teachings.
I think there's a lot to be mined from Campbell, but you be the judge.
Thanks for the great replies@@TheWriteStuffPro-DamonDiMarco will definitely check out the course!
PREMISE: When the prince Salim[PG] falls in love[INI] with Anarkali to make her queen of India[OBJ], the king Akbar[AG] defeats son Salim and eliminates the future queen
Hi @bakhshishsingh2711. This issue here (as I see it) is that your premise has no emotional or thematic momentum. As I cover in the course, these values (and so many more) must be present in the premise statement or you don’t really have a good premise. You have a sketch.
Who is this Prince Salim? What does he want (aside from Anarkali)?
Who is Akbar (I know he’s the king… so what? Who is he as a person? What does he value? What is his code? What does he secretly want more than anything else in the world? And so on?)
The same must be done for Anarkali and for all major characters.
You’re on the surface of a good story right now. Go deeper. Go much much deeper.
@@TheWriteStuffPro-DamonDiMarco Great Many Thanks for response.
PREMISE: When an honest police officer's[PG] entire family is killed[INI] by the dreaded dacoit[AG],he hires two young boys to take the revenge.
Not a bad start, @bakhshishsingh2711. But go deeper.
For instance, beware of adjectives that pose as descriptors but tell readers nothing.
Why is the dacoit (a term I'm unfamiliar with) "dreaded"?
"Young" boys tells us so little. Who are they intrinsically? Opportunistic guttersnipes? Fumbling morons? Junior but seasoned assassins?
Though a premise statement has four codified parts, we cannot relax into generalities. Go as deep as you can in specifics. And remember that your premise statement must always dovetail with, enrich, and be enriched by your thematic statement.
I hope this helps.