A Conversation Between Baptists and Anglicans | Theocast
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- What do Baptists and Anglicans have in common? Jon and Justin recently had the opportunity to be on the Doth Protest podcast with our friends James and Drew, who are Anglican. We discussed the Reformation, our backgrounds, what we believe, and what we have in common. In particular, the emphasis of the podcast centered around Jesus, God's grace, and the sufficiency of our Savior. We were encouraged by the conversation, and we trust that you will be too.
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Thanks for sharing your conversation brothers. ❤
Our pleasure!
Thank you for clarifying what piotism is. ; it helped me.
Glad it was helpful!
Just want to point out that the early particular baptists rejected covenantal infant baptism on the grounds of it as a violation of the regulative principle
You dont have to use this argument as a credobaptist, but that is one of the main arguments that created the Baptist denomination
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Hey John and Justin when you say "no rebaptism" could you clarify that? Do you mean no rebaptism of already baptised infants? Or just rebaptism of already confessing and baptised individuals?
I am not John, nor Justin, so I'm sorry for trying to answer in their stead, but I think when they say they don't believe in "rebaptism" I think they mean no re-baptizing of those who have already gotten baptized after making a profession of faith and they wouldn't consider those who were "baptized" as infants have not been baptized and thus would now baptize them upon profession. And then there would be no need to baptize someone after that point. BUT I am not absolutely sure about that and if I'm wrong, please correct me gents!
God Bless
28:00 valuable taxonomy historically
Young Anglican and Sean Luke and the Other Paul are great for digging into Anglicanism more on YT
46:50-49:50 really helpful on the parameters of Mere Christianity/Christendom/What makes a Protestant/5 Solas/Material v Formal principles
came here hoping for what the title implies, a discussion between anglicans and baptists.. what i got was some presbyterians that dunk ("reformed baptists") and some anglicans. bummer
Lol they're definitely not presbysterians by any means brother
@@taangpeifong5334 well from what i understand, they believe in the calvinistic predestination, covenant theology, and regeneration precedes faith. the only thing they lack is infant baptism and a hierarchical ecclesiology
@caman171 That's literally the reformed Baptist belief
Read the 1689 confession
@@jackcrow1204 sorry read it again. the 1689 does NOT teach prefaith regeneration, covenant theology, sacramentalism, among other things. not everything a church believes is in the confessions they adhere to. Calvinistic Baptists always required a conversion experience for membership, whereas the Reformed/Presbyterians did not. There is a reason the Particular Baptists never called themselves "Reformed". It is impossible to be Reformed and Baptist at the same time. May as well call yourself a "Protestant Catholic", because that is indeed what the Reformed churches are. Baptists are neither Catholic nor Protestant. Whether you agree with it or not, thats what the Particualr Baptists believed. It'd be kind of hard to be "Reformed" when you were never Catholic to begin with. They believed what Charles Spurgeon believed as he said "We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the reformation, we were reformers before Luther or Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it, but we have an unbroken line up to the apostles themselves. We have always existed from the very days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten, like a river which may travel underground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents. Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect,yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor I believe anybody of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man. We have ever been ready to suffer, as our martyrologies will prove, but we are not
ready to accept any help from the State, to prostitute the purity of the Bride of Christ to any alliance with the government, and we will never make the Church, although the Queen, the despot over the consciences of men". (From The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol.VII, Page 225).
Go read Ephesians chapter 1.
One major thing you have in common is that neither denomination preaches the truth of the Bible.
You are 2 sides of the exact same coin.
how is that? just curious as to your view
@@caman171 Neither man made religion, baptist or anglican, preach the truth of the Bible.
They each preach the bits that suit their dogma, but neither are true to God's Word.
I've listened to enough theocast to hear a bunch of poor theology and I was an anglican for many years so I know the weak theology that they promote.
There is one way to get saved and there is one way to stay saved.
It's scriptural and it's repeated often.
Neither of these groups even get close to preaching it.
@@brucedavenport7016 the only way to get saved is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. works cannot save., nor will they keep u saved
@@brucedavenport7016 please give some specific examples of where you are saying “there is one way to get saved and there is one way to stay saved… repeated often” and then how does Theocast distort this?
@@caman171 Thanks for the response.
You are technically correct.
However, you need to look much closer at the word "believe".
In the Bible, this is what believers do:
They repent
They speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Spirit
They get baptised in water
They pray regularly
They fellowship with other believers
They experience signs, wonders and miracles
They spread the Gospel
They separate themselves spiritually from unbelievers
Those things are, scripturally, what people chosen by God that believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, do.
If you coverd what is salvation and what are its fruits you will cover every heresy and false or errant view held by those who profess Christ. When we set forth biblical truth, and truth is the only item of concern for a true believer then it necessarily follows all un-truth will be exposed and absolutely refuted. Truth our Lord said will set you free. That the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what we are obligated to know, believe and obey is the will of God for all of us. Every error begins with a false or grave misunderstanding of sin its effects and consequences before an impeccably unalterable pure and holy God. Understanding the actual work of Christ in its proper biblical revelation, purpose and accomplishment rests on a sound biblical understand of the fall of Adam and the holy and perfect character of God. Therefore true genuine conversion as it flows out from the everlasting covenant of redemption the conditions of that salvation being all fully met in the person and work of Christ our mediator and sin bearer in and through whom God is satisfied and sinners are reconciled to God. Once we establish the orthodox creed we can rightly preach the gospel and know exactly what we are to see and expect in those who have become born from above and give evidence of a truly conveted life and the fruits that are associated with it. Truth loved and obeyed despite the cost and trial is what distinguish a true believer from a false professor. A sound faith and doctrine from a false faith and heretical doctrine. Matthew 7:13,14-23 along with Luke 13:22-31 show this. Separation of truth from error is where the elect of God arise and truly prove themselves before their Lord and master. A powerful and faithful proclamation of the truth as it is in Jesus is where the power and presence of God is felt and experienced. Every false and heretical doctrine will be exposed and obliterated by the absolute truth. The Ecclesia of God exists as the agent in the dissemination of the truth as it is in Jesus. Make disciples is only done properly in a genuine gospel Assembly of God. Matthew 16: 18; 28:18-20
1 Timothy 3;15. God will never permit His people to be lead astray and deceived or remain part of a false assembly and false doctrine. John chaper 10 and 17 guarantees this. God will always raise up faithful men to gather together His elect in Christ in every particular Assembly of believers that has or ever will be gathered to Him in the fellowship of the Saints for whom Christ has saved by His saving work which includes the gift of faith as Paul writes in his letter to the Ephesians.
To HIM, the glory in the Assembly and in Christ Jesus to all the generations of the age and of the ages! Amen Ephesians 3:21. This Assembly is not an invisible but a visible body of baptized disciples who have always existed since the new covenant Assembly was established on the day of Pentecost. The earthly Temple of the Triune God until Jesus returns in glory and great power on the last day when all His elect are saved and sanctiied in the truth. For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. Romans 11:36.