Can Christians Struggle with PTSD? (w/ 1517) | Theocast
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- Recently, Christian social media has been ablaze with the topic of mental illness and whether or not it is a real thing. In particular, diagnoses such as ADHD, PTSD, and OCD. We thought we would lend our voices to this discussion from a theological lens, analyzing the implications of the fall of Adam, a world of suffering, and compassion for our fellow man. For today’s discussion, Jon and Justin are joined by Scott Keith and Chad Bird of 1517! We hope and pray you find this conversation encouraging!
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Can a Christian struggle with PTSD? Yes...I absolutely do. I was an Infantryman sent to Iraq for the initial invasion in 2003. I never came back the same. God is sovereign which gives me ultimate comfort. As the brothers mentioned in this video, healing is coming. Either in glory or perhaps He'll work it out down here. Either way, my eyes are set on Jesus. My life is centered around prayer, loving others, serving the body of Christ and conforming my life through obedience to His Word. I am humbled that He has called me unto Himself and that alone gives me the courage and strength to face any challenge in this world that He controls. May God bless you all.
Look into LDN (low dose naltrexone) and EMDR therapy as ways of tearing PTSD. They are the two most effective ways. Combined, they can be even more effective.
We minister to people all the time and help them get free from trauma. Took a vietnam vet through it last year. 3 hours to undo 50 years of PTSD. Christians arent taught how to operate with power and authority and we have a misconception that IF God wills your healing He will just do it or you just have to die and go to Heaven to get it. But Jesus commissioned believers to go do supernatural works. But some
Veterans cant believe that its possible, thus they keep their PTSD and all the other negative things.
yes it is real. I have been there as well, perhaps I am not finished but I am doing much better. There is a lot to healing God is definitely the best way to approach it. I tried everything so I guess I know. I do still take some meds for anxiety and depression and sleep. But I have made a lot of progress and it took a long time. much longer than I would have thought but mine was chronic from many years piled on, not war which is far more horrible but happens differently. there is so much to it, my heart hurts for anyone going through that but on the other side God makes things so much better, less scarey and disturbing and compassion grows so much for others. I praise him for allowing it.
I cannot wrap my mind around why the church thinks PTSD is sin at all. I don't choose the flash backs. My nervous system is triggered by certain reminders. It's involuntary. Being called a sinner for having been put through a traumatic experience is horrible. It makes me struggle to even want to go to church sometimes tbh.
Can I just pray for u please. I am a nurse as well as your sister in Christ. Your PTSD is not a sin. I pray that our sovereign Lord would bring healing to your stress response. We all have that stress response and yours has been expanded to the max by what you experienced. You are not alone. I did not go to war or experience what you experienced, but I do know many first responders in my field of work struggle with PTSD as well....our paramedics, EMTs, and trauma teams ect. May God bring healing to every single one of His children who are navigating life with PTSD. In Jesus name, Amen.
Thank you.@@christalone253
I think there is sin but not neccesarily your sin. I didn't get that either.
I'm in the middle of getting certified as a Biblical Counselor, through ACBC, so I'll just mention the background of this issue. Part of the reason this conversation surrounding PTSD is prominent right now, is because of tension between Biblical Counselors who believe trauma can be counseled purely through scripture/spiritual help, and counselors who disagree and say that trauma needs extra-biblical help and therapies. It's part of a very large, very complicated debate amongst biblical Christians regarding how much of the spiritual and soul is involved in mental health issues, and how much is purely brain imbalances/physical problems. I love how compassionate you were talking about this very messy, hard question. It's nice to hear your views on this subject. Thanks for your ministry.
Again, an insightful upload. I really appreciate you guys. I am 60 been a christian for decades and these messages are life changing
Absolutely! I’ve complex ptsd but God holds your hand through it and mitigates it. ❤️✝️
MacArthur said you can't see PTSD on a brain scan. I cannot believe that he didn't spend 25 seconds on Google seeing whether that was so. You absolutely can. In some cases, the amygdala of a person with PTSD can be up to twice the diameter of a normal amygdala. And the amygdala lights up like a Christmas tree when the traumatized person is forced to revisit their trauma. I know the feeling personally, and I know other people who do as well. I used to work with a veteran who cannot go out on July 4th. He also had his hip blown out with an AK-47 round and cannot be around people on the anniversary of it. I also know people who have been molested as children. I honestly don't get it, but it seems like MacArthur is hell-bent on hurting people with his terrible theology concerning holiness, true conversion, and sanctification. And lately he seems to have felt the compulsion to hurt people again with his incredible ignorance concerning mental health. Why can't he just apply his theology of the fall to the health of people's brains?
Thinking of the sins of the fathers being passed down to 3-4 generations and how a recipient of others sins suffers with many emotional afflictions. I think God has blessed us with knowledge of what to call them and how to treat them. This is the compassionate loving God I know and serve.
You need to read Ezekiel and Jeremiah passages about generational sins. Because God put away with that WAY before Christ ever came. People pay for their own sins. It is the parent’s mouths that pucker when they eat the sour grapes, not their children. Google it. Jeremiah 31:29-34
Ezekiel 18:1-32.
Really enjoyed this live recording!!
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If the issue is organic it can be evident just like heart or pulmonary failure but once you got a stratospheric part of the population suddenly in our day and age with depression and anxiety issues and getting medicated then at the very least it’s kind of legitimate to question the general consensus in the psychiatry world.
But there is also the possibility of widespread environmental insults (such as toxins from industrialized nations) being responsible. Many such things are known to cause mental illnesses, even depression.
@@rowanmurphy5239this is also true of alzheimers
It would be good if All believers took time to study PTSD and the other brain health issues that trouble believers and non- believers. To dig deep and learn what mental health is. The brain is a organ just like any other organ in the body and it gets sick too. The world is fallen and ultimately all troubles are a result of the fall which is a result of sin. We link our brain to our will as if we can control the brains response to injury and illness. David and Elijah both suffered from PTSD. David was exposed to prolonged stress, both were under tremendous stress.
There are chemicals released in the body that are meant to help us in times of need for protection but if the threat is not removed or is big the chemicals cause harm to the brain and the stress is imprinted into the body. There are more scientific terms for this and it is more involved than my simple definition. Do your research. One in four girl are sexually molested and one in six boys, the children from divorce suffer, there is bullying in schools and in church. Then there are issues with our microbiome. Our gut bugs release chemicals into our bodies that are related to mental health. Lyme disease and other bacteria and viruses affect mental health. The church is always behind. Time to catch up folks.
Yes, Christians can and do suffer every ailment common to man while living in a fallen world under the curse of sin and death. Disease and physical debilitating problems are inescapable aspects of life in this present dispensation and will not be done away until Jesus returns to ussher in the eternal state in a new heaven and new earth. Revelation 22 is out great hope and longing! 2 Peter 3:8-17.
Extra nos is my sanity.
I swear it lowered my blood pressure 😂
I think a good question would be "should we believe the experience?" because we got people claiming PTSD with all kinds of different situations and really just lacking in some mental toughness
what kind of experience you would believe? and what kind that you'll not believe?
People who sin in general are really lacking in moral toughness when you think about it.
@@valkyrafe it depends. My point is people seem a lot more fragile these days. And PTSD seems a lot more common
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Wow!
Well said, spot-on!
@@K1NG931 I’m not sure that is the case… Older generations carried lots of mental and emotional burdens their entire life… They were just told “suck it up, be a man!” And in turn, that passed on many generational traumas.
The problems that those generations faced just didn’t have a category, name, or context. Do I think some claim PTSD when there is really none? Yes… But PTSD is nothing new. My grandfather was a World War II vet and he woke up for much of his life with nightmares of men falling around him. That’s real… but he was never told he had PTSD! There was no such thing…
Im a nurse. John Macarthur didnt call ADHD or PTSD sin. He said they arent real mental illnesses. Illness can be phisiologically identified. PTSD is a heightened and overwhelming stress response to trauma. That stress response is normal and is a survival mechanism built into every human. When our soldiers experience extreme trauma that stress response goes on high alert and response mode. They are not mentally ill....blanketing their minds and bodies in mind altering pharmaceutical drugs only makes it more difficult for them to process and regain a normal stress response level. Same with ADHD...its a behavioral disorder...not a mental "illness". Alzheimers would be an actual mental illness...it can be phisiologically identified and viewed in the brain during autopsy. John Macarthur wasn't wrong in saying PTSD and ADHD aren't mental illnesses. Now this panel is labeling them as sin...that doesn't help either.
Not knowing anything about this subject, right off the bat the first speaker is in error. His argument begins with man, look at people who are suffering from mental illness and tell me it’s not a reality. This is where we naturally go, but as Christians we must push back and look to God and His Word. You will always struggle in your diagnosis if you begin with man and your heart and good intentions. No matter how bad things look, we have a foundation. Again I repeat I know nothing about this subject, but what I do know is that Christ is the beginning and end. This life will continually knock us off this truth, what is impossible with man is possible with God.
As shepherds do you remember that God raised you from death to life? If Jesus can make dead men alive, can we put any suffering outside of the category of the Gospel. We lead and point people to Christ the great physician, do we believe that Christ is not only our only Hope but the only Hope of all men? If all we can do in this life, is to draw people nearer to Christ, at least they will not be alone in their suffering. But thanks be to God, that He can and will do more as we look to our God, our very real and Great Hope.
Why do we see that some categories are more complex? For man they may seem complex, but are these things to difficult for God?
Let’s keep in mind, these are mere men and what they say is just their OPINIONS. I’ve never been in the military. I have been through a lot of trauma and abuse in my history including an abusive marriage. I have PTSD. My symptoms were so severe. Sometimes I relapse but over the years it’s gotten better. When your symptoms are so bad you’re no longer who you used to be and it’s difficult to function in society, I’d say it is real. It’s pathetic Christians and pastors disrespect and downplay our suffering. It’s not okay. Try having empathy and compassion and understanding. You know, like Jesus… It is also a stigma that only military personnel get PTSD. Simply not true. Jesus loves me.