I think it's weird that people expect what practically is a bunch of strangers grouped to work together to get along 24/7, like some conflict is bound to happen somewhere along the way
Yeah, like there are trow in this show living isolated of the world and have to see each other 24/7 without any intimity, people who are completely strangers and you to compete against.
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now? I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
(SPOILER ALERT if you haven’t seen the latest ep) when Krystian survives he, introduces himself as “bad Krystian”, meaning he has seen how mnet has portrayed him. He express that he just wants to share love and joy. Then follows up with how we should look forward to new Krystian. It’s upsetting bcs u can tell it’s taken a toll on him and looked surprised that he even survived.
At least 3 trainees who have been eliminated confirmed Krystian was translating for the team. And he is a very very very soft boy. All the English talking scenes were cut out. The Mnet's evil editing really shocked me truly.
This remind me of Fu Yaning when they evil edit her not respect to Yujin, they cut her speech and edit her image evil in the whole show. The girl then said she loves CLC and they asked her to say something to CLC but they didn’t show the full speech. Poor girl.
@@aussieboi814 he didn't ignore kamden and that's why its evil edited even the trainees who got eliminated said he got evil edited He was translating to jianyu because jianyu shuaibo don't know English And if you say he was selfish for still having killing part he wasn't doing bad he was just called feminine and all their teammates thought of like replace him with someone better instead of trusting him First of all nobody should be called feminine and feel guilty this shit has been happening since produce and if they said this to krystian imagine if they said the same thing to seowon woongki but didn't post it 🤷♀️ Everyone has their own style and if you just want him to groove harder or tell to give more energy With daeul he was doing bad that's why they wanted him to get an easier part For daeul it's not that he wanted to try harder that's fine but it was more of how he responded oh there is no point in choosing you guys 🤷♀️ Like you know it was like he wasn't grateful Edit i just saw the daeul part if that's true that's just sad
@@aussieboi814 Wdym?? He was translating to the other trainees since they weren’t understanding what kamden was saying and it’s obvious that mnet evil edited him. It’s scary that people like you actually fell for mnets evil editing
This is just Mnet realizing trainees they don’t like are popular (for whatever reason) and choosing to evil Edit them, so they doesn’t end up in the final line up
Also the thing about Kristian I want to add than some Chinese trainees who got eliminated said in their lives that mnet edited those clips and he was only translating to other trainees and when he saw those clips he was really sad
I am very worried about the Daeul case, he receives a lot of hate, although he is not my favorite, just imagine his young age, his efforts to improve himself all this to be evil editing could enormously affect his mental state . Not to mention the number of people who follow the show, who are manipulated and love dramas. He has very little support left now.
tbh my honest opinion on he krystian situation is that its half-half, like krystian doesn't seem to be a bad person, he just seems to be a bit too desperate in this show since he's already been on a survival show in china
also what Daeul actually said: I really want to do this. I'm not good at memorializing dances and lyrics so if I change my part it will need more time for me to memorize everything. And I don't want to be impose to the hole team. I picked you, and I have the responsibility for that, so I don't want to give up here and keep trying. I know this makes me already a burden to the team, but if I give up I don't think I have the reason for picking you and not being responsible. Mnet cut and edited his words to make it more dramatic
wow if thats real then def bad editing. i actually was disappointed bcos i felt him being entitled bcos he chose them bcos they help him out so it defeats the purpose of him choosing them
@@armisky9495 thats mnet for you they are notorious for this which is why they have the nickname mnet snake 🐍🐍 but i feel so bad for the trainees who get such intense amt of hate bcs of it when it was all lies 😞
You said everything that was on my mind. Whenever a trainee seems to do something particularly bad on the show, I automatically assume it was evil editing. Rarely are these kids anything but perfectly polite
I'm literally so sad for krystian...I cried when he introduced himself as bad kyrstian. And he's been visibly quiet and sad. Before he was reacting and happy now he's laying low for something he didn't do. I wish more people could see how sweet and loving he truly is because it's clear in youth with you. And if you check the clip there's a lot of jumps and cuts in the scene with krystian and kadem. Even when Kadem is crying he's wearing different accessories from the original interview. Damn they could at least edit better. But what do you expect from editors who replay scenes like 3 times as if a 7 yr old is watching a yt video.
@@Nawhaipaw people tend to forget that this is still a popularity contest. As much as they want to sugarcoat it, talent comes in second. Daeul is not even my pick, but he was even higher up there in the ranking when the show first started because of his ending-fairy awkward smile in the main signal song. And now that Mnet has decided to evil-edit, crop and paste that particular scene ("then there's no point of choosing you" drama) out of context to create a certain narrative (like in ANY other Mnet reality show) his rank's already declining by many. Yet some still have the audacity to think "oh my God, why is he ranking up there?" while people literally VOTED for him 🤣
The hate on Daeul is ridiculous. I think what Daeul meant when he said what he said, is that he choose the team full of people that already help him in hope they will help him like they did. Which...make sense to me? It's a survival show, he don't like to be "bad"
@@blackroseinbloom I think he picked them because he understand they have patience, I'm not saying he is perfect, but the hate he getting is over the top, that all
@@Nawhaipaw yes because they are willing to associate with him mean they are also willing to communicate with him, he knows that he is lacking so if he wants to know his mistake he should ask the other member who he can easily ask without both sides feelings hurt thus he picks the members who are willing and can correct his mistakes easily
100% agree with the Daeul evil editing situation. They are literally making him their issue maker. He is such a happy kid. I hope this wont affect his mental health.
I don't think is BS, that Krystian look feminine, there nothing wrong with that... just the concept doesn't fit. he look good in other theme or group performances, he just doesn't stand out as a center, and ricky did a great job doing the part
idk because he is known for having manly style and he is proffesionally trained dancer in LA. so he is skilled . i dont agree with the judge even if he is femanine according to the judge like you said their isnt anything wrong with it. :) thes evil edits are getting annoying because like they littrely make them look like a downright bad person overall m-snake sucks
@@LuckyCl0ver it’s not that feminine is wrong. It’s that it doesnt fit the song’s vibe according to the instructor. Btw the instructor give them feedback, theyre free to keep at it but the group themselves didnt want krystian to be the centre
the hate daeul recieves is way too much rn. ppl need to remember hes a four month old trainee that probably wasnt even expecting this much attention and popularity. and some ppl even claim he’s one of mnet’s favourites. mnet very clearly hates him and doesn’t want him in the debut group. they totally set him up with the evil edits and only announcing his rank as 13th place. obviously ppl are gonna be pissed and aim their anger towards him. i also think it’s understandable that he wanted to keep his part. this is a survival show after all. i would want as much screentime on stage as possible too. although i agree he shouldve given up his part. ppl need to stop shitting on him and calling him a dozen. hating on him gets you nowhere, it only hurts his mental health. like seriously, kpop stans get worse every year with how they treat the ones they don’t like. just go vote for your faves and leave him alone.
it's not that he wants to keep his part because it has more lines or anything, he acknowledges himself as a slow learner, so if he had to change part, he would need to learn all the moves again and that is just not good for the team as a whole
@@mariwashereeee his company sent him along with lim junseo. Lots of companies send their trainees to the produce shows even if theyve only trained a few months. They do this to get exposure and attention for when they actually debut. Most of the time trainees don't get to choose whether they go or not.
@@mariwashereeee any person can apply, despite how much ever training they get!! I dont see any hate towards takuto or mingyu or any other person who is lacking ?? Mnet is the one at fault, they were the ones who allowed them to participate .. who wouldn't want to participate if they could get exposure and potentially a chance to debut
Tbh when da eul said that i thought he meant like"i want to show the hyungs how much ive improved thanks to them" type of thing.. Damn the out of context of insane it's so toxic.
Krystian seems like a cutie idk why they evil edited him like that🤨also the same way they keep making the g idols look pitiful and zoom in on when they get scolded or smth. Never understood mnet hate before but now I do once I started watching bp
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now? I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
@@kitcoope9892 you never know. He could've been simply translating to the other trainees in the clips mnet chose to include while they edited out the clips where he talked in English. I'm not saying this is definitely what happened but it is a possibility. What I've learned from mnet shows is that never even trust your eyes and ears because they're being manipulated by evil editing.
@@kitcoope9892 I think you have an issue with Krystian more like obsession because I am reading comments and you have literally commented on every comment that has been on Krystian favor. Like it’s a survival show every trainee are equally working hard to survive. just take a chill pill it’s not that’s deep.
@@yo-dy2sk i think that the only problem with that discussion might be if Krystian didn't say he was translating, since the leader sometimes seemed puzzled (again, might be evil edit). But I think that in general he would have gotten hate regardless. The editing just made it over the top. He was trying to push himself more than the others, when everyone else is in his same situation, let's say that it just didn't give a good impression. So I think his rank would have dropped a bit regardless, just not at this extent. I don't understand Mnet. Like if they wanted the drama it's already there, why exaggerate it so much that it ruins not only his opportunity, but reputation as well
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now? I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
Honestly I think the krystian situation is an issue of bad communication. Because they are working in groups, the members personality changes the group's dynamics. Krystian seems to be someone who is more blunt and vocal about his opinions and no It's not a bad trait. While the language barrier with Kamden makes it more difficult. I don't think any members of the group would purposely hurt their own team. It's probably a mix of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Although I do think their dispute was probably very real!! Stuff like this happens a lot when u work in groups
At least 3 trainees who have been eliminated confirmed Krystian was translating for the team. And he is a very very very soft boy. All the English talking scenes were cut out. The Mnet's evil editing really shocked me truly.
i feel so bad for daeul lmao hes not my fav but i feel like even if he said what the translation said, i think it's completely normal esp as someone who form the group
I wanna say something about Daeul . When Mnet went live for 40 minutes just to reveal that Daeul is safe at the 13th position I saw many people saying 'it was unexpected and they don't even care about him' and in my opinion he has struggled soo much.. and he does not deserve this much hate . I don't understand why people just think he's just an outsider here . They kept bragging bad and mean things about him on Twitter after the announcement . And now Jay is also having false accusations of him being racist . I don't know but I feel like people are too biased for some members here that they will adapt and do anything to make others go down 🙂
daeul is horrible and lacks talent but i really dont think hes suddenly evil…he also has a lot of potential so i hope this doesn’t ruin his chances of shining in the future
@a_n_i_t_a its really not, its just harsh criticism. that is literally how the entertainment industry works. its what he needs if he wants to learn and grow. like i said, he HAS POTENTIAL. he has a lot of potential and i hope he keeps training and works harder so he can debut one day, i just dont think hes ready to debut now. he just needs a bit more motivation and practice.
Horrible? He has only a few months training, most ídols take years to do training so calling him horrible and untalented is too much, he just need more training.
8:35 oh my god yes. why do people send hate? what is the point? will it change anything for the better? no? all it does is impact the person in question's mental health. this is why i can't go on twt and stay sane because all i see is hate on these boys. kyrstian, daeul, jay have all be victims of this and it's so upsetting to see. okay so what if they did say something slightly out of line? you bullying them is literally making you worse than anything they're doing. people need to realize this show isn't that deep?
Daeul is literally ranked 46 on eps 6 today.. from 13. Mnet had to make people got pissed with him by making him the ‘first survivor’. Well i was watching the live too and tbh i did get disappointed he ranked that high. He is cute but i’m in for the talent… not just the charm. Pity him though, but this is a Boy Group survival show not an actor survival show. You have to be real good in either vocal/dance/rap and good stage presence too, visual and charm should be the cherry on top factor but not the decision maker. Anyways doesn’t mean they should attack him like that, just don’t hate. He is a human too. I’m sure his company put him in the show for exposure anyway. It’s fine he will still make it into the kbiz, he is cute after all.
I thought that krystian’s case was clear at all but here i still found a hate speech toward him. Go see some eliminated trainees defend about him, a lot of them clearly said it was an evil editing and they came to support krys after that episode aired
It sucks so much that Kristan got told he was too feminine and then his team took away his part :((( especially on a season when mnet is really BL baiting every step of the way :/
They took away his part for a reason. It didn’t suit him, it suited Ricky better. This is about the team, not individual gain. Krystian definitely has charisma, but that choice was the best for the group here. And editing or not, he was clearly being very selfish and manipulative here. It’s not a solo competition, it’s a group project, so the well being of a team stands above anything else here. He was kinda similar in idol producer but it wasn’t that bad (and I actually really liked him after it), seeing how this shows are basically copy + paste I think he should’ve known better. I really rooted for him, so that was quite disappointing.
@@bekcha4170 My thought too!!! I am not sure about him now because he just rubs me the wrong way. Ngl, seeing him brings back group work trauma I have experienced when a member would act the way he did.
@@aimansaari9408 i dont think it is wrongly use.....as it clearly describe which type of vibe he brings as a centre towards the songs.......charisma does not mean masculinity,please dont confuse both of the trait because charisma does not differentiate what type of gender,feminine it is soft vibe that usually appear on woman while masculine is type of hard vibe that usually appear on man.......while the songs that they have to perform is back door which bring charisma and powerful vibe thus femine vibe is not necessary,both ricky and him had those vibe which ricky has charisma and masculine vibe while krystian had charisma and feminine vibe but this songs wants charisma only with powerful vibe not masculine nor feminine,ricky is more suitable because he is capable in bring only one them only at one time while krystian cant in their interim check, he will bring both vibe at the same time
@@bekcha4170 the reason was that he was feminine that's messed up. If he didn't fit they could have told him that and that was enough. Everyone is selfish it's a competition.
Sorry that it isn't relevant to the video subject, but omg!! Your voice is amazingly soothing to listen to? Wow, I def will have to watch any other videos you may have!
@@jaeminisnt1862 woah, I didn't notice that nervousness at all! Your voice is really really soothing, I hope you'll feel comfortable making more videos with it in the future! :D
I know some parts of that situation is edited but y'all gotta realize that Kamden himself felt this way, he said it on screen and when he went to ask for advice so I really do think he was being ignored and cut off and basically not being treated as a leader, also the edits for the marking part are useless to the argument here because it wasn't the edits that made Krystian look rude, it was his tone and facial expressions, like why are you so curt? You could have just asked the question, instead he was mad that he got switched and you can hear it in his tone and see it in the way he looked at them when he said, "What's next"(idk how they could edit their issue so much unless they can change people's facial expressions and tones??) I very well could be a misunderstanding because english may not be his first language but I can see why Kamden felt the way he did. For Daeul, I just think he needs to stop biting off more than he can chew lol.
The situation with daeul has nothing to with "beating more than he can shew", it's literally the contrary, he was sick during the mid term evaluation and he refused to change part because he didn't have enough time to re-learn another choreo, lyrics and vocal.
@@mylovechoerry2233 It does have to do with biting off more than he can chew because he has no basic skills… it doesn’t matter if he got 3 more days to practice, he is half tone deaf and not that coordinated. He needs to go back to the training room period. Idk why his company put him on this show, how could you say this when since the first episode till now he hasn’t sung or dance properly a single time…
@@victoriab98 Even if, he was also being emotionally manipulative. That ain’t okay. And I say that as someone who rooted for him cause I also followed him in idol producer
people need to understand that these boys are not only stranger to each other (most of them) but they're all working their asses off to get a spot in the top 9 and there's literally 90 people you're competing with,, like that's stressful as hell so of course they're gonna be on edge and maybe say something out of line and while it's not 100% okay it's understandable given their situation. also if you're watching a reality competition show of any kind not just mnet, you need to take it all with a grain of salt. producers take advantage of that stress and amplify it. yes, sometimes the trainees will actually say smth out of line, but you need to remember that producers will amplify it x10 so don't take it too too serious.
I love krystian and i don't think he is selfish, bad either. why do people think like that, can you open a topic. i think mnet edits are doing that on purpose
But don’t you think the way Kamden was treated, and he’s the leader on top of that, was Krystian being selfish and rude? Try to see it from Kamden’s perspective
What Daeul said makes sense to me. He was saying that there was no point in picking them if they are just going to give him a smaller part. He picked THEM to be on his team so he didn’t expect them to try to shorten his part. Of course it was a little selfish of him to say but this is a SURVIVAL show. He’s also a kid. He’s lacking a lot in talent but I don’t see how him being ranked so high is such a problem. He’s not in the top 9 and probably never will be so just leave it alone.
There are a lot of overrated trainees who are high in ranking and they dont get that much hate, daeul lacks in dancing and he already improved so the hate is too much, even in other shows there were worst trainees who debuted.
@@geral2243 let’s not compare to other show since not everyone watches them, no other trainees with low skill level and star level (from the judges) are that high in ranking as he is. He is 13th now and even 4th in the first ranking! I don’t hate on him as a person but understand the criticism and frustration about his ranking in the show
@@linn4823 My point is that he's not the first or last trainee who debuted being less skilled, he's improving even with the few months he's been training, i get that he shouldn't be in the final group but people always picking him as a punching bag is not fair, just because he's popular, in this program there are trainees being push so much by the producers and people are okay with them being favorites, that is unfair for other trainees but nobody complains about that, they just hate on daeul when he's probably not going to debut anyways.
Like half of the top ranking trainees are just dancers who can't hold a note to save their life, they should give it a rest and leave the poor guy alone
Daeul does not have the foundations. Going off of objectivity, he is not good. He lacks a lot such as basic technique, breathing, and choreo memorization. He needs time. He’s not my pick at all, give him the proper training first. Maybe not on this show, but in time he needs to grow before he can go head to head with contestants with YEARS under their belts like this. Talent > looks imo
in my opinion I don't think Krystian was a victim of mnet evil editing, I just think he had this less good moment with Kamden, I've been following him since 2017 when he was still in Now United, but even though I like him I know how to recognize when someone does a bad thing and in this situation I think Krystian did it. Edit: Apperently some Chinese trainees that were eliminated in the 5th episode came out and spoke about how Krystian's words were out of context and he was really just translating what the others were saying, mnet just decided to cut out some parts to make krystian look bad As for not wanting to change the center, I think it's understandable because they are there to shine and show their capabilities, and if they don't put themselves forward they won't shine, deep down everyone wants to be the center, some are afraid to say it and Krystian isn't afraid to say he wants to be the center and that's totally fair
Yechen, shenyang, Lin shiyaun, yugeng, Chen Liang those are trainees who were eliminated and came on live saying krystain was translating and how he was sad about the whole thing, that was with the kandem situation, the one for the center was not edited and yes you are rite, this is a survival show why is it so bad to fight for something you like
Also as someone who knows Krystian from Now United, I'll tell very valid reason why he wouldn't like his killing part being taken away, or the fact that he wanted to stay in the centre. Now United had very unfair line distributions and screen time for the members. And in Krystian's own words he felt like a 'decoration' in the group. He probably wants the center position to better show his talent and potential (which btw which trainee here doesn't want to).
@@a_then_a Krystian in now united barely appeared as the center, the only time he got real screen time was when live this moment was released and even that was like crumbs
@@_atlantisprincess I agree with that. That's a very valid reason why he would want the center position because he's been neglected in that group for too long.
i mean we all know these shows are jut a popularity visual contest. people choose looks over actual talent, thats what daeul is. its like wonyoung all over again. no real talent and just looks and popularity
Can't really compare wonyoung to Daeul. Wonyoung looks duprt adorable when she acts cute while Daeul looks like a fool. Wonyoung can dance and shine as a center unlike him.
Even if wonyoung is not very gifted in vocals, its still fun to watch her performing, agree or not she has charisma. But when it comes to daeul...i cant say the same...boy got a looong way to debut
I still can't forget about mnet evil editing towards Haknyeon in pd 101. I don't understand why people hate someone just because their action in a part of edited clip that not full.
People acting like daeul’s negative attention is unwarranted - I mean, I don’t condone bullying a kid, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s unreasonably high ranking for his skill level. He’s a literal zero star for a reason. Everyone else is 3 or 4 star… i still don’t understand why he’s still ranked so high. Even if you say, “oh some other high rank trainees are overrated” - okay but are they zero star?? 😂 no they’re prob 3 star at least
Honnestly I feel so bad because I always get tricked by those evil editing, like they kind of work on me and it's bad. To be honest none of the people evil edited this season were my pick so I was probably more influencable because of that, but still I would like to be better in the future. In the recent episodes I've tried to be better, but there is still some things I can't accept, like what Daeul, even in context would be really hurtful if it was said to me. For Kristian, I totally get that he was very probably evil edited, and I hope that won't affect his career in the future. For recent evil edit like, MaJinXiang and Ricky, both boys were probably really stressed and it's normal between humans to have more affinity with some people and not with others, but it's still sad that it impacted the other in the team like Hiroto who really had bad luck this season, even though he has a HUGE fanbase. As for Zhang Shuai Bo, it's the same as for Daeul, to me, what he said about the production team doing something about it is just plain bad, he's not taking responsability about his performance, and is giving up. I know that it can be said in some other kind of way, like he really wish for someone to help them because they don't want to do bad etc, but it still hurt to see someone says that. All in all, I'm mad at Mnet for evil editing 90% of Chinese contestants, like give them a rest, the poor boys are doing their best, and just want to live their dream like the others. I don't understand why they agreed to have Chinese contestant on the show if it was just to pick one : ZhangHao ( no shade to him I love him btw) and evil edit all the others. They don't deserve that, especially since it could put them in a though place after the emission.
Tbh can’t lie but no matter how much you blame Mnet evil editing somehow it’s wrong to cut someone who is leader when talking and deciding their part on their own way by speaking there mother tongue, if have a little consideration then why not discuss together and try to considerate each other. Leader he himself felt left out so you just can’t blame evil editing.
i’m almost confident that 80% of the people trashing on daeul don’t even care about what he said but are more angry about him getting ranked so high when hes obviously not ready to debut yet, because almost all of my moots who pretty openly dislike dauel haven’t said a thing about that line. and i also have moots who are hardcore daeul defenders but none of them mentioned it so i’m a little skeptical
Speaking in Mandarin, clearly knowing that Kamden can't, while looking into his eyes with the smirk.... And saying it was not intentionall...Krystian was trying to bully him clearly, being from a rich family, seems like it is common for him to look down on others.
Why do people see krystian as the victim and not daeul? It's so unfair. now his rank has dropped from 13 to 46.they're still fall on msnake's evil edits.Such a holy shit!
KRYSTIAN: Nah, it’s not his job to nurture nor look after anyone but himself, at the end of the day this is a SURVIVAL show and they all want the same thing
I think there is some truth to the Krystian situation. I'm not saying he is a bad guy and obviously Mnet loves to make things seem a lot more serious than they are, but hear me out: Firstly, Kamden cried. He said he felt left out because the others didn't respond to him and that he was frustrated with the situation and then he started crying. So fact is, that somehow he was hurt by his teammates, even if they didn't intend to hurt him. Secondly, there are some unedited clips where Krystian clearly has his own mind and goes against Kamden's wishes. Again, he probably didn't have any bad intend, he just didn't think enough and behaved in a way that frustrated Kamden as the leader unintentionally. Thirdly, many contestants seemed to know about the difficult situation and "Kamden's struggles". If it was only evil-edited, the contestants wouldn't talk about it. Lastly, Krystian apologized to Kamden directly. Twice. To apologize you first have to accept that you did something wrong. And Krystian showed regret. Still, I don't think he should be getting this much hate (anymore). He clearly felt bad, he apologized more than enough, and it's normal to have some tension filled moments in those kind of situations. Just move on.
even if that was true, krystian wasn't the only one in the group, there were 4(?) other members, so why would mnet focus only on him? if you look closely, you'd see that he tried to translate what they were saying to the one next to him in mandarin, which also happened in other groups but mnet chose to ignore that
@@paulacastillo6242 Exactly! There were other members who could work as a translator. And also when Kamden said he had communication problems, he did not mention a specific person, he was just talking about the team as a whole. The evil editing is not only that they made Krystian look bad, but that they shifted the whole blame of the feeling left out issue solely on him; like he's the only one to blame for miscommunication.
yep, i also think krystian showed regret apologizing to nakamden. people learn from mistakes. i saw krystian was much more communicative too in ep6, he's speaking in korean.
Poor Kristian! They did the same with Cai Bing and Fua Ning in Girls planet 999. They might be more opinionated but it doesn’t mean evil 🙄 just comparing to people who are too shy or uncomfortable to defend their ideas or openly disagree. I actually think that in the west when you stand up for yourself it’s more of a plus. Maybe Koreans / Japanese find it to intimidating?
It's no secret that Mnet favours the K group. Not giving G group a translator seems like a thought out decision because they want them to have misunderstandings. I wish people wouldn't fall for the editing tricks :/
i dont like either one of them,,, i know korean and daeul said what he translated which regardless was rude. and krystian raised his voice which shouldnt be excused, u dont talk to others like that.. i dont condone hate but the excuses being made are unbelievable
Even if it was rude, it's not a reason to hate on anyone people can say rude thing sometimes intentionally or not it's not something special or uncommon especially if you are competing against a stranger. I agree it doesn't make it OK but it is not that's deep.
i think what the coach says make sense. christian makes the steps quite feminine seriously and actually doesnt fit with the style of the song esp he represent the highlight. as u can see everyone on the team feels its best to actually change part and i think its just right to change since its a team decision. if he works hard and show his talent no matter what role or part he plays he will still shine i understand he is feeling pressure to shine but i hope he trust his talent more anyway they have resolve the issue and work it so i hope people stop bashing and just vote the people they support
yeah i find it very sa dthat instead of just not voting for people they dont like they chose to spread hate abt them online, like we are all watching the same episodes, we can spread awareness over the good trainees that arent getting a lot of screentime but sending hate to the ones u dont like isnt it
Thank you for this video, you were actually not biased and explained things clearly and I appreciate that, I didn't really pay attention to the Daeul situation before but while rethinking about it, it's most certainly evil editing because Mnet doesn't want him in the group He's really not in my top9 and I personally think he's not ready to debut yet, but this is not a reason to hate on him, he's an human before a trainee
i was upset when daeul was ranked high cause his skills are really lacking but all the hate he received is insane and i'm glad someone finally pointed out that he most likely got evil edited too
Why Kum Junhyeon (Sub Rapper 1) is on the center to sing the "hey you wanna come in"? He stand in the CENTER back of jongwoo (killing part)? and the center spotlight goes to him after the killing part jump done? Did'nt they show krystian (who's also sub rap 1) in that exact same position on G-group practice but give a caption that it is krystian arrangement and the one they supposed to do is krystian quickly go to the side? So it means mnet manipulating those scenes with the wrong order of the clips and misleading caption?? So Actually when krys stand in the center back of ricky like kum junhyeon in the center back of jongwoo was the way their formation supposed to be?? 😮, and the one where krys go to the side quickly is the one that's an arrangement and krys ofcourse don't want that bcs he already give up his killing part, why should he gave up more? He clearly said there that "it's the only part I have", Glad he voicing that he want to be in the center more than the ugly and unfair arrangement kamden try to make there from his original position as sub rap 1 that's on the center for hey u wanna come in like kum junhyeon Also the way it's actually not allowed to change the members part like that unless you change it completely like for example if you want to erase that one part of krsytian's sub rap 1 like that, you should change it all with ricky's sub vocal 1, not just erase one of his part like that, or like when krys should give all of his killing part position, that's what allowed there, you can't only take one or two part from the members and give it to others, if you want to change their position you should change it totally, that's what they showed on other teams when any of them try to negotiate for changing the parts, mnet showed that they're not allowed to change parts like that unless they change it TOTALLY among 2 member's part Also the way people thought krys was the one who ruin the formation on their practice that time, when the fact they even lost their killing part jump that they supposed to do like jongwoo in the start, was bcs they change the killing part to ricky who is the sub vocal 1, sub vocal 1 supposed to slide under the killing part like taerae slide under jongwoo here, but bcs ricky is both killing part and sub vocal 1, they finally remove the jump and only keep the slide In the clip where they try their arrangement that krystian go quickly to the side you can see ricky still not do the jump either, so it means the killing part jump removing really because they choose the sub voc 1 slide than the kp jump for ricky who's both killing part and sub vocal 1, not bcs of krystian want to keep his SUB RAP 1 part Mnet manipulation really 🤯
There are 3 certain things in this world, death, taxes and mnet evil editing the crap out of chinese contestants. They literally gave Krystian Cai Bing's storyline. You know mnet is insecure if they feel the need to do it for nth season in a row.
I don't know how much of Daeul's situation was evil edited. I'm not going to vote for him at all but that's because of my personal preferences. But that doesn't mean I think he deserves any of the hate he's been getting. I'm not sure if the friend's explanation is true or not, but the captions in the video are, in fact, accurate-- coming from someone who grew up in a Korean household and understand the language and culture. Even with the evil editing aside, in this competition, determining who should DEBUT, skill wise, I simply don't think he's ready to debut and, aside from the fact that he hasn't really grown all that much since the beginning, you can tell he's not on the show with the correct mindset. 1) his reasoning for the members he chose. This is a competition so he should have thought beyond "they were nice to me." 2) laughing because he "did poorly" isn't the proper reaction for someone who wants to debut. look at idols who HAVE debuted. they constantly monitor themselves and constantly think about improving their mistakes. Just laughing it off and being like "my bad," is irresponsible to his team. That's not evil editing, thats bad manners (in the performer community-- and im sure for many other communities as well). He's not evil, just naive and ignorant of the position he's in.
for Krystian, I think the whole group was in the wrong haha! I don't blame anyone specifically, but they didn't approach the situation the correct way. Here's my interpretation of the situation, ignoring the evil editing: 1) I'm not blaming Krystian or anything but if they all voted to make Kamden leader, it's solely up to him to "not rush" or not. If it was really an issue, they should have decided as a team and been transparent with Kamden from the beginning that the language barrier is going to require everyone to slow down and be more weary of each other. 2) it sucks but Kamden should not have been leader if the language barrier was such an issue that members constantly had to translate. Kamden was such a great leader so it hurts me to admit it but the format of 1 person saying something and a 2nd person translating to practically everyone else is what was slowing them down in the first plac. That's why Kamden felt like they were behind and that they needed to "rush." At the very least, they should have made someone like Krystian leader and Kamden could have been performance leader in charge of making the performance look good. The team approached it poorly and because of it, allowed opportunity for Khrystian to be evil edited. I'm not completely convinced this was evil editing because the situation was just not the best to begin with, but i AGREE nobody on the team is "evil" or deserved any sort of hate
its sad because even gp999 contestants went through the translating stuff. one of the contestants spoke out about when she asked for at least a translator or a dictionary, they said no and told her to solve it by herself. i believe that they refused so more people would get intrigued into the show, but imo, it would've gotten me annoyed and i would've skipped the parts. and if it keeps on increasing (the clips that shows them struggling to understand), i would stop watching. no wonder why mnet is called msnake. 😕
I think Krystian was misunderstood like really. It's tough to communicate since they're from different countries and maybe that's why they misunderstood each other and as we all know MNET.....took this opportunity to evil edit another trainee again.
Lee Daeul is not ready to debut. No hate, but he has unstable vocals, and his dance is concerning. He needs time and training, which he didn't get the opportunity to have properly in the company, because they just decided to send him directly into the lion's mouth.
Me sentí mal por Krystian, pero también me dio mucha pena Kamdem, parecía sentirse muy excluido :( odio a mnet y a su evil edit pero por algo se sintió tan mal Kamdem
So heres what i understand. Basically hes saying that hes a bit of a burden in the group and he wants to improve. If he becomes the reason for having a bad performance then "theres no reason for picking you" because he thought hes actually helping them, since they get to pick a song that they like to perform to.
actually g group trainees are really good, but how can an international group compete with a local group with the local language? this is the shittiest decision k vs g
I lit got introduced to this show like an hour ago and I was like img this shiw is so cool and the trainees are so wholesome :D then I watched this video and realized kpop would be a lot better if making comments about it wasnt a thing :/
But seriously tho I don’t think Daeul is ready. All of this skills are either basic or below average. I didn’t get why he was ranked top when there are other more talented people
I don't think it's evil editing, it really happened and they just put in interesting scanes, and actually it's really interesting to see someone's ego? do you think they are human beings who have no sin and all human idols are without sin?
Yechen, shenyang, Lin shiyaun, yugeng, Chen liang this are ex trainees who got eliminated they said the clip was manipulated, the Killah part was the one that was not edited
Kalau Da Eul aku tidak tau.. tapi menurutku kalau Kristian memang dia sedikit ngeyel, dia tidak bisa membawa grupnya untuk bekerja sama.. dia egois dan ingin terlihat menojol sendiri. Dia memutus komunikasi dengan yang lainya. Semua tim G juga terhalang komunikasi..tapi kristian menunjukan bahwa dia bisa mengatur segalanya, tapi buktinya dia membuat koreografi berantakan,.. Menurutku kristian tidak cocok di ajak kerja sama tim.
I think it's weird that people expect what practically is a bunch of strangers grouped to work together to get along 24/7, like some conflict is bound to happen somewhere along the way
Yess you're so right
Yeah, like there are trow in this show living isolated of the world and have to see each other 24/7 without any intimity, people who are completely strangers and you to compete against.
For real 💯💯
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now?
I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
(SPOILER ALERT if you haven’t seen the latest ep)
when Krystian survives he, introduces himself as “bad Krystian”, meaning he has seen how mnet has portrayed him. He express that he just wants to share love and joy. Then follows up with how we should look forward to new Krystian. It’s upsetting bcs u can tell it’s taken a toll on him and looked surprised that he even survived.
At least 3 trainees who have been eliminated confirmed Krystian was translating for the team. And he is a very very very soft boy. All the English talking scenes were cut out. The Mnet's evil editing really shocked me truly.
I feel so bad for Krystian. He literally introduced himself at “bad krystian” bc he knows he was evil edited. It sucks.
And he probably saw mean comments about him too 😢
This remind me of Fu Yaning when they evil edit her not respect to Yujin, they cut her speech and edit her image evil in the whole show. The girl then said she loves CLC and they asked her to say something to CLC but they didn’t show the full speech. Poor girl.
@@aussieboi814 hes not evdn ignoring kamden. Hes translating what kamden said to the chinese trainee. Lol
@@aussieboi814 he didn't ignore kamden and that's why its evil edited even the trainees who got eliminated said he got evil edited
He was translating to jianyu because jianyu shuaibo don't know English
And if you say he was selfish for still having killing part he wasn't doing bad he was just called feminine and all their teammates thought of like replace him with someone better instead of trusting him
First of all nobody should be called feminine and feel guilty this shit has been happening since produce and if they said this to krystian imagine if they said the same thing to seowon woongki but didn't post it 🤷♀️
Everyone has their own style and if you just want him to groove harder or tell to give more energy
With daeul he was doing bad that's why they wanted him to get an easier part
For daeul it's not that he wanted to try harder that's fine but it was more of how he responded oh there is no point in choosing you guys 🤷♀️
Like you know it was like he wasn't grateful
Edit i just saw the daeul part if that's true that's just sad
@@aussieboi814 Wdym?? He was translating to the other trainees since they weren’t understanding what kamden was saying and it’s obvious that mnet evil edited him. It’s scary that people like you actually fell for mnets evil editing
This is just Mnet realizing trainees they don’t like are popular (for whatever reason) and choosing to evil Edit them, so they doesn’t end up in the final line up
it's cai bing all over again
Yeah they can't rig the final lineup like before so we get this instead 😬
They popular ?
Daeul was viral in korea but most popular trainee this seasons seems be liked by MNET (except thoses from G-GROUP).
@@bosskpop5710 kyrstian and daeul are quite popular but seems like mnet doesn't want them in the lineup that's why they are getting evil edited
Lee Daeul in the final lineup?
Krystian and Daeul dropped ranks a lot. THIS IS SO UNFAIR FOR THEM
It's stressing me out because only 28 will be saved so I don't think krystain will make it this time, will just continue trying
Also the thing about Kristian I want to add than some Chinese trainees who got eliminated said in their lives that mnet edited those clips and he was only translating to other trainees and when he saw those clips he was really sad
I am very worried about the Daeul case, he receives a lot of hate, although he is not my favorite, just imagine his young age, his efforts to improve himself all this to be evil editing could enormously affect his mental state . Not to mention the number of people who follow the show, who are manipulated and love dramas. He has very little support left now.
Fighting 💪
and he is ranked 14th i dont think you have to worry
@@wolfy3910 it s not just about ranking. Nobody deserve hate. He still very young, it might affect his mental health.
he really improved in his danger performance.....but wasn't praised much
@@tsikyandriamahenina1533 rightt? Like instead of hating, just focus on your favs and spread love to them
tbh my honest opinion on he krystian situation is that its half-half, like krystian doesn't seem to be a bad person, he just seems to be a bit too desperate in this show since he's already been on a survival show in china
This! He was desperate for a big push from early on
He was like that in idol producer as well, but seems like here it pushed him too far. Emotional manipulation is not cute
@@bekcha4170 lol he was not even in that show. Atleast don't make things up🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@bekcha4170 he was not in that show...
@@bekcha4170 he was in youth with you 3, not idol producer!
I want Krystian, Ricky & Jiwoong to be in the same group. Idk why, they look like handsome vampires.
Omg yes
This 💯
✨hey y’all it’s the vampire from south side west✨
@@adele3479 keeho lmao he is everywhere
Omg yes!! Vampire Gang
also what Daeul actually said:
I really want to do this.
I'm not good at memorializing dances and lyrics so if I change my part it will need more time for me to memorize everything. And I don't want to be impose to the hole team.
I picked you, and I have the responsibility for that, so I don't want to give up here and keep trying. I know this makes me already a burden to the team, but if I give up I don't think I have the reason for picking you and not being responsible.
Mnet cut and edited his words to make it more dramatic
where did he say that?
How did you know?
wow if thats real then def bad editing. i actually was disappointed bcos i felt him being entitled bcos he chose them bcos they help him out so it defeats the purpose of him choosing them
@@armisky9495 thats mnet for you they are notorious for this which is why they have the nickname mnet snake 🐍🐍 but i feel so bad for the trainees who get such intense amt of hate bcs of it when it was all lies 😞
You said everything that was on my mind. Whenever a trainee seems to do something particularly bad on the show, I automatically assume it was evil editing. Rarely are these kids anything but perfectly polite
I'm literally so sad for krystian...I cried when he introduced himself as bad kyrstian. And he's been visibly quiet and sad. Before he was reacting and happy now he's laying low for something he didn't do. I wish more people could see how sweet and loving he truly is because it's clear in youth with you. And if you check the clip there's a lot of jumps and cuts in the scene with krystian and kadem. Even when Kadem is crying he's wearing different accessories from the original interview. Damn they could at least edit better. But what do you expect from editors who replay scenes like 3 times as if a 7 yr old is watching a yt video.
People have been watching MSnake's reality shows for years and they still fall for these??
Ikr I'm guessing there's a lot of new fans that are watching an Mnet survival show for the first time?
They fell for it because he is bad at everything but somehow ranks higher than other people.
@@Nawhaipaw people tend to forget that this is still a popularity contest. As much as they want to sugarcoat it, talent comes in second. Daeul is not even my pick, but he was even higher up there in the ranking when the show first started because of his ending-fairy awkward smile in the main signal song. And now that Mnet has decided to evil-edit, crop and paste that particular scene ("then there's no point of choosing you" drama) out of context to create a certain narrative (like in ANY other Mnet reality show) his rank's already declining by many. Yet some still have the audacity to think "oh my God, why is he ranking up there?" while people literally VOTED for him 🤣
The hate on Daeul is ridiculous. I think what Daeul meant when he said what he said, is that he choose the team full of people that already help him in hope they will help him like they did. Which...make sense to me? It's a survival show, he don't like to be "bad"
But even then that comes off as entitled. He picked people who helped him before in hopes of them doing so again? I’d stop helping him at that point.
@@blackroseinbloom I think he picked them because he understand they have patience, I'm not saying he is perfect, but the hate he getting is over the top, that all
He picks them because they are the only people want willing to be associated with him.
@@Nawhaipaw yes because they are willing to associate with him mean they are also willing to communicate with him, he knows that he is lacking so if he wants to know his mistake he should ask the other member who he can easily ask without both sides feelings hurt thus he picks the members who are willing and can correct his mistakes easily
100% agree with the Daeul evil editing situation. They are literally making him their issue maker. He is such a happy kid. I hope this wont affect his mental health.
I don't think is BS, that Krystian look feminine, there nothing wrong with that... just the concept doesn't fit.
he look good in other theme or group performances, he just doesn't stand out as a center, and ricky did a great job doing the part
idk because he is known for having manly style and he is proffesionally trained dancer in LA. so he is skilled . i dont agree with the judge even if he is femanine according to the judge like you said their isnt anything wrong with it. :)
thes evil edits are getting annoying because like they littrely make them look like a downright bad person
overall m-snake sucks
@@LuckyCl0ver it’s not that feminine is wrong. It’s that it doesnt fit the song’s vibe according to the instructor. Btw the instructor give them feedback, theyre free to keep at it but the group themselves didnt want krystian to be the centre
@@kittenme8845 I agree be t it's just the way ment edited it makes him seem like a terrible person
the hate daeul recieves is way too much rn. ppl need to remember hes a four month old trainee that probably wasnt even expecting this much attention and popularity. and some ppl even claim he’s one of mnet’s favourites. mnet very clearly hates him and doesn’t want him in the debut group. they totally set him up with the evil edits and only announcing his rank as 13th place. obviously ppl are gonna be pissed and aim their anger towards him. i also think it’s understandable that he wanted to keep his part. this is a survival show after all. i would want as much screentime on stage as possible too. although i agree he shouldve given up his part. ppl need to stop shitting on him and calling him a dozen. hating on him gets you nowhere, it only hurts his mental health. like seriously, kpop stans get worse every year with how they treat the ones they don’t like. just go vote for your faves and leave him alone.
I agree with you 100%
it's not that he wants to keep his part because it has more lines or anything, he acknowledges himself as a slow learner, so if he had to change part, he would need to learn all the moves again and that is just not good for the team as a whole
Why tf is he on the show if bro has been training for like 4 months???
@@mariwashereeee his company sent him along with lim junseo. Lots of companies send their trainees to the produce shows even if theyve only trained a few months. They do this to get exposure and attention for when they actually debut. Most of the time trainees don't get to choose whether they go or not.
@@mariwashereeee any person can apply, despite how much ever training they get!! I dont see any hate towards takuto or mingyu or any other person who is lacking ?? Mnet is the one at fault, they were the ones who allowed them to participate .. who wouldn't want to participate if they could get exposure and potentially a chance to debut
Tbh when da eul said that i thought he meant like"i want to show the hyungs how much ive improved thanks to them" type of thing.. Damn the out of context of insane it's so toxic.
Krystian seems like a cutie idk why they evil edited him like that🤨also the same way they keep making the g idols look pitiful and zoom in on when they get scolded or smth. Never understood mnet hate before but now I do once I started watching bp
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now?
I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
@@kitcoope9892 you never know. He could've been simply translating to the other trainees in the clips mnet chose to include while they edited out the clips where he talked in English. I'm not saying this is definitely what happened but it is a possibility. What I've learned from mnet shows is that never even trust your eyes and ears because they're being manipulated by evil editing.
@@kitcoope9892 I think you have an issue with Krystian more like obsession because I am reading comments and you have literally commented on every comment that has been on Krystian favor. Like it’s a survival show every trainee are equally working hard to survive. just take a chill pill it’s not that’s deep.
@@yo-dy2sk i think that the only problem with that discussion might be if Krystian didn't say he was translating, since the leader sometimes seemed puzzled (again, might be evil edit). But I think that in general he would have gotten hate regardless. The editing just made it over the top. He was trying to push himself more than the others, when everyone else is in his same situation, let's say that it just didn't give a good impression. So I think his rank would have dropped a bit regardless, just not at this extent. I don't understand Mnet. Like if they wanted the drama it's already there, why exaggerate it so much that it ruins not only his opportunity, but reputation as well
Daeul is mnets biggest punchbag theyre pinning all the hate on daeul
and still there people saying that theyre pushing him, make no sense
ikr I hope he's okay
Kamden just spoke in English. You can rewatch this and see Krystian also can speak English. So who is being ignorance now?
I think Mnet should show these to voters so they know how their stars gonna be when they debuted. Not editing it out.
Honestly I think the krystian situation is an issue of bad communication. Because they are working in groups, the members personality changes the group's dynamics. Krystian seems to be someone who is more blunt and vocal about his opinions and no It's not a bad trait. While the language barrier with Kamden makes it more difficult. I don't think any members of the group would purposely hurt their own team. It's probably a mix of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Although I do think their dispute was probably very real!! Stuff like this happens a lot when u work in groups
At least 3 trainees who have been eliminated confirmed Krystian was translating for the team. And he is a very very very soft boy. All the English talking scenes were cut out. The Mnet's evil editing really shocked me truly.
i feel so bad for daeul lmao hes not my fav but i feel like even if he said what the translation said, i think it's completely normal esp as someone who form the group
Yeah I think it can be seen as rude but what he said is not false, there is no lie.
Daeul hate is just arghh wtf mnet and viewers
Krystian hate too, y’all looking too much into the situation like chill don’t believe mnet
I wanna say something about Daeul . When Mnet went live for 40 minutes just to reveal that Daeul is safe at the 13th position I saw many people saying 'it was unexpected and they don't even care about him' and in my opinion he has struggled soo much.. and he does not deserve this much hate . I don't understand why people just think he's just an outsider here . They kept bragging bad and mean things about him on Twitter after the announcement . And now Jay is also having false accusations of him being racist . I don't know but I feel like people are too biased for some members here that they will adapt and do anything to make others go down 🙂
daeul is horrible and lacks talent but i really dont think hes suddenly evil…he also has a lot of potential so i hope this doesn’t ruin his chances of shining in the future
@a_n_i_t_a its really not, its just harsh criticism. that is literally how the entertainment industry works. its what he needs if he wants to learn and grow. like i said, he HAS POTENTIAL. he has a lot of potential and i hope he keeps training and works harder so he can debut one day, i just dont think hes ready to debut now. he just needs a bit more motivation and practice.
Horrible? He has only a few months training, most ídols take years to do training so calling him horrible and untalented is too much, he just need more training.
@@geral2243 thats literally whaf i said... he is rlly bad tho u cant deny lmao
What potential does he have? because I think the actor guy is going to be better than him in the future.
@@geral2243 Maybe he should go back home and train some more? Because this show will only air for 3 months.
8:35 oh my god yes. why do people send hate? what is the point? will it change anything for the better? no? all it does is impact the person in question's mental health. this is why i can't go on twt and stay sane because all i see is hate on these boys. kyrstian, daeul, jay have all be victims of this and it's so upsetting to see. okay so what if they did say something slightly out of line? you bullying them is literally making you worse than anything they're doing. people need to realize this show isn't that deep?
Daeul is literally ranked 46 on eps 6 today.. from 13. Mnet had to make people got pissed with him by making him the ‘first survivor’. Well i was watching the live too and tbh i did get disappointed he ranked that high. He is cute but i’m in for the talent… not just the charm. Pity him though, but this is a Boy Group survival show not an actor survival show. You have to be real good in either vocal/dance/rap and good stage presence too, visual and charm should be the cherry on top factor but not the decision maker.
Anyways doesn’t mean they should attack him like that, just don’t hate. He is a human too. I’m sure his company put him in the show for exposure anyway. It’s fine he will still make it into the kbiz, he is cute after all.
Voting for krystain, Ricky, Jay, jiwoong and keita till the end
I thought that krystian’s case was clear at all but here i still found a hate speech toward him. Go see some eliminated trainees defend about him, a lot of them clearly said it was an evil editing and they came to support krys after that episode aired
It sucks so much that Kristan got told he was too feminine and then his team took away his part :((( especially on a season when mnet is really BL baiting every step of the way :/
They took away his part for a reason. It didn’t suit him, it suited Ricky better. This is about the team, not individual gain. Krystian definitely has charisma, but that choice was the best for the group here. And editing or not, he was clearly being very selfish and manipulative here. It’s not a solo competition, it’s a group project, so the well being of a team stands above anything else here. He was kinda similar in idol producer but it wasn’t that bad (and I actually really liked him after it), seeing how this shows are basically copy + paste I think he should’ve known better. I really rooted for him, so that was quite disappointing.
@@bekcha4170 My thought too!!! I am not sure about him now because he just rubs me the wrong way. Ngl, seeing him brings back group work trauma I have experienced when a member would act the way he did.
@@bekcha4170 not the problem .the word feminine is wrongly use ...directly toxic masculinity
@@aimansaari9408 i dont think it is wrongly use.....as it clearly describe which type of vibe he brings as a centre towards the songs.......charisma does not mean masculinity,please dont confuse both of the trait because charisma does not differentiate what type of gender,feminine it is soft vibe that usually appear on woman while masculine is type of hard vibe that usually appear on man.......while the songs that they have to perform is back door which bring charisma and powerful vibe thus femine vibe is not necessary,both ricky and him had those vibe which ricky has charisma and masculine vibe while krystian had charisma and feminine vibe but this songs wants charisma only with powerful vibe not masculine nor feminine,ricky is more suitable because he is capable in bring only one them only at one time while krystian cant in their interim check, he will bring both vibe at the same time
@@bekcha4170 the reason was that he was feminine that's messed up. If he didn't fit they could have told him that and that was enough. Everyone is selfish it's a competition.
Sorry that it isn't relevant to the video subject, but omg!! Your voice is amazingly soothing to listen to? Wow, I def will have to watch any other videos you may have!
Thank you so much! This is actually the first video of this kind that i made so i was a bit nervous
@@jaeminisnt1862 woah, I didn't notice that nervousness at all! Your voice is really really soothing, I hope you'll feel comfortable making more videos with it in the future! :D
I know some parts of that situation is edited but y'all gotta realize that Kamden himself felt this way, he said it on screen and when he went to ask for advice so I really do think he was being ignored and cut off and basically not being treated as a leader, also the edits for the marking part are useless to the argument here because it wasn't the edits that made Krystian look rude, it was his tone and facial expressions, like why are you so curt? You could have just asked the question, instead he was mad that he got switched and you can hear it in his tone and see it in the way he looked at them when he said, "What's next"(idk how they could edit their issue so much unless they can change people's facial expressions and tones??) I very well could be a misunderstanding because english may not be his first language but I can see why Kamden felt the way he did. For Daeul, I just think he needs to stop biting off more than he can chew lol.
i think krystian just doesn’t have a filter and they take that the wrong way 🤷🏻♀️
@@victoriab98 It's that paired with the tone and facial expressions, also the cutting people off and trying to undermine their opinions and feedback.
The situation with daeul has nothing to with "beating more than he can shew", it's literally the contrary, he was sick during the mid term evaluation and he refused to change part because he didn't have enough time to re-learn another choreo, lyrics and vocal.
@@mylovechoerry2233 It does have to do with biting off more than he can chew because he has no basic skills… it doesn’t matter if he got 3 more days to practice, he is half tone deaf and not that coordinated. He needs to go back to the training room period. Idk why his company put him on this show, how could you say this when since the first episode till now he hasn’t sung or dance properly a single time…
@@victoriab98 Even if, he was also being emotionally manipulative. That ain’t okay. And I say that as someone who rooted for him cause I also followed him in idol producer
people need to understand that these boys are not only stranger to each other (most of them) but they're all working their asses off to get a spot in the top 9 and there's literally 90 people you're competing with,, like that's stressful as hell so of course they're gonna be on edge and maybe say something out of line and while it's not 100% okay it's understandable given their situation.
also if you're watching a reality competition show of any kind not just mnet, you need to take it all with a grain of salt. producers take advantage of that stress and amplify it. yes, sometimes the trainees will actually say smth out of line, but you need to remember that producers will amplify it x10 so don't take it too too serious.
I love krystian and i don't think he is selfish, bad either. why do people think like that, can you open a topic. i think mnet edits are doing that on purpose
But don’t you think the way Kamden was treated, and he’s the leader on top of that, was Krystian being selfish and rude? Try to see it from Kamden’s perspective
What Daeul said makes sense to me. He was saying that there was no point in picking them if they are just going to give him a smaller part. He picked THEM to be on his team so he didn’t expect them to try to shorten his part. Of course it was a little selfish of him to say but this is a SURVIVAL show. He’s also a kid. He’s lacking a lot in talent but I don’t see how him being ranked so high is such a problem. He’s not in the top 9 and probably never will be so just leave it alone.
There is 4 person speaking English in this team so why is there a communication problem in the first place.
People are criticizing deaul not only just because of what he said but because of his low skill level compared to the other high ranking trainees!
There are a lot of overrated trainees who are high in ranking and they dont get that much hate, daeul lacks in dancing and he already improved so the hate is too much, even in other shows there were worst trainees who debuted.
@@geral2243 let’s not compare to other show since not everyone watches them, no other trainees with low skill level and star level (from the judges) are that high in ranking as he is. He is 13th now and even 4th in the first ranking! I don’t hate on him as a person but understand the criticism and frustration about his ranking in the show
@@linn4823 My point is that he's not the first or last trainee who debuted being less skilled, he's improving even with the few months he's been training, i get that he shouldn't be in the final group but people always picking him as a punching bag is not fair, just because he's popular, in this program there are trainees being push so much by the producers and people are okay with them being favorites, that is unfair for other trainees but nobody complains about that, they just hate on daeul when he's probably not going to debut anyways.
Like half of the top ranking trainees are just dancers who can't hold a note to save their life, they should give it a rest and leave the poor guy alone
Daeul does not have the foundations. Going off of objectivity, he is not good. He lacks a lot such as basic technique, breathing, and choreo memorization. He needs time. He’s not my pick at all, give him the proper training first. Maybe not on this show, but in time he needs to grow before he can go head to head with contestants with YEARS under their belts like this. Talent > looks imo
and they want him to improve on the show when the show will only air for 3 months.🤡
in my opinion I don't think Krystian was a victim of mnet evil editing, I just think he had this less good moment with Kamden, I've been following him since 2017 when he was still in Now United, but even though I like him I know how to recognize when someone does a bad thing and in this situation I think Krystian did it.
Edit: Apperently some Chinese trainees that were eliminated in the 5th episode came out and spoke about how Krystian's words were out of context and he was really just translating what the others were saying, mnet just decided to cut out some parts to make krystian look bad
As for not wanting to change the center, I think it's understandable because they are there to shine and show their capabilities, and if they don't put themselves forward they won't shine, deep down everyone wants to be the center, some are afraid to say it and Krystian isn't afraid to say he wants to be the center and that's totally fair
Yechen, shenyang, Lin shiyaun, yugeng, Chen Liang those are trainees who were eliminated and came on live saying krystain was translating and how he was sad about the whole thing, that was with the kandem situation, the one for the center was not edited and yes you are rite, this is a survival show why is it so bad to fight for something you like
Also as someone who knows Krystian from Now United, I'll tell very valid reason why he wouldn't like his killing part being taken away, or the fact that he wanted to stay in the centre. Now United had very unfair line distributions and screen time for the members. And in Krystian's own words he felt like a 'decoration' in the group. He probably wants the center position to better show his talent and potential (which btw which trainee here doesn't want to).
@@a_then_a Krystian in now united barely appeared as the center, the only time he got real screen time was when live this moment was released and even that was like crumbs
@@_atlantisprincess I agree with that. That's a very valid reason why he would want the center position because he's been neglected in that group for too long.
Krystian is not a bad person I swear, I have been a fan of him since Now United
Evil editing or not, Daeul making the final lineup would be a travesty
I hope all the Fans watch this video and know cause we know Mnet always being the worst and stop hating on our boys💔 Daeul is such a cute boy😭
i mean we all know these shows are jut a popularity visual contest. people choose looks over actual talent, thats what daeul is. its like wonyoung all over again. no real talent and just looks and popularity
No wonyoung is actually skilled. She’s gotten praised by the trainers before.
@@meemee0-1 girl wy is not skilled, F tier vocalist and 7 tier in open style, but she is a decent performer.
Can't really compare wonyoung to Daeul. Wonyoung looks duprt adorable when she acts cute while Daeul looks like a fool. Wonyoung can dance and shine as a center unlike him.
Even if wonyoung is not very gifted in vocals, its still fun to watch her performing, agree or not she has charisma. But when it comes to daeul...i cant say the same...boy got a looong way to debut
Is this the haknyeon situation all over again? :(
I still can't forget about mnet evil editing towards Haknyeon in pd 101. I don't understand why people hate someone just because their action in a part of edited clip that not full.
I'm so sad for my Daeul ❤️ 🥺😥
People acting like daeul’s negative attention is unwarranted - I mean, I don’t condone bullying a kid, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s unreasonably high ranking for his skill level. He’s a literal zero star for a reason. Everyone else is 3 or 4 star… i still don’t understand why he’s still ranked so high.
Even if you say, “oh some other high rank trainees are overrated” - okay but are they zero star?? 😂 no they’re prob 3 star at least
apparently a lot of the trainees were sick at the song evaluation and couldnt sing or dance properly and he was one of them
Honnestly I feel so bad because I always get tricked by those evil editing, like they kind of work on me and it's bad. To be honest none of the people evil edited this season were my pick so I was probably more influencable because of that, but still I would like to be better in the future.
In the recent episodes I've tried to be better, but there is still some things I can't accept, like what Daeul, even in context would be really hurtful if it was said to me.
For Kristian, I totally get that he was very probably evil edited, and I hope that won't affect his career in the future.
For recent evil edit like, MaJinXiang and Ricky, both boys were probably really stressed and it's normal between humans to have more affinity with some people and not with others, but it's still sad that it impacted the other in the team like Hiroto who really had bad luck this season, even though he has a HUGE fanbase.
As for Zhang Shuai Bo, it's the same as for Daeul, to me, what he said about the production team doing something about it is just plain bad, he's not taking responsability about his performance, and is giving up. I know that it can be said in some other kind of way, like he really wish for someone to help them because they don't want to do bad etc, but it still hurt to see someone says that.
All in all, I'm mad at Mnet for evil editing 90% of Chinese contestants, like give them a rest, the poor boys are doing their best, and just want to live their dream like the others. I don't understand why they agreed to have Chinese contestant on the show if it was just to pick one : ZhangHao ( no shade to him I love him btw) and evil edit all the others. They don't deserve that, especially since it could put them in a though place after the emission.
If you watch the previous one like Produce 48 and Girls Planet, they don't translators as well. I think mnet purposely don't want translators.
Tbh can’t lie but no matter how much you blame Mnet evil editing somehow it’s wrong to cut someone who is leader when talking and deciding their part on their own way by speaking there mother tongue, if have a little consideration then why not discuss together and try to considerate each other. Leader he himself felt left out so you just can’t blame evil editing.
i’m almost confident that 80% of the people trashing on daeul don’t even care about what he said but are more angry about him getting ranked so high when hes obviously not ready to debut yet, because almost all of my moots who pretty openly dislike dauel haven’t said a thing about that line. and i also have moots who are hardcore daeul defenders but none of them mentioned it so i’m a little skeptical
Krystian actually Bad attitude, Daeul actually Lack everything...
Speaking in Mandarin, clearly knowing that Kamden can't, while looking into his eyes with the smirk.... And saying it was not intentionall...Krystian was trying to bully him clearly, being from a rich family, seems like it is common for him to look down on others.
Boys Planet was cringe incarnate. I only watched a bit and thought all kpop was like that 😑
thanks for this video! perfectly summed up my thoughts. hope a lot of peoplee see this and decide to spare some empathy
Why do people see krystian as the victim and not daeul? It's so unfair. now his rank has dropped from 13 to 46.they're still fall on msnake's evil edits.Such a holy shit!
Did you see the xenophobic comments krystain got? Like both are victims why do you put it that way
KRYSTIAN: Nah, it’s not his job to nurture nor look after anyone but himself, at the end of the day this is a SURVIVAL show and they all want the same thing
I think there is some truth to the Krystian situation. I'm not saying he is a bad guy and obviously Mnet loves to make things seem a lot more serious than they are, but hear me out: Firstly, Kamden cried. He said he felt left out because the others didn't respond to him and that he was frustrated with the situation and then he started crying. So fact is, that somehow he was hurt by his teammates, even if they didn't intend to hurt him. Secondly, there are some unedited clips where Krystian clearly has his own mind and goes against Kamden's wishes. Again, he probably didn't have any bad intend, he just didn't think enough and behaved in a way that frustrated Kamden as the leader unintentionally. Thirdly, many contestants seemed to know about the difficult situation and "Kamden's struggles". If it was only evil-edited, the contestants wouldn't talk about it. Lastly, Krystian apologized to Kamden directly. Twice. To apologize you first have to accept that you did something wrong. And Krystian showed regret.
Still, I don't think he should be getting this much hate (anymore). He clearly felt bad, he apologized more than enough, and it's normal to have some tension filled moments in those kind of situations. Just move on.
Yechen, shenyang, Lin shiyaun, yugeng, Chen Liang those are trainees who were eliminated and said those clips were cut so it was an evil edit
even if that was true, krystian wasn't the only one in the group, there were 4(?) other members, so why would mnet focus only on him? if you look closely, you'd see that he tried to translate what they were saying to the one next to him in mandarin, which also happened in other groups but mnet chose to ignore that
@@paulacastillo6242 Exactly! There were other members who could work as a translator. And also when Kamden said he had communication problems, he did not mention a specific person, he was just talking about the team as a whole. The evil editing is not only that they made Krystian look bad, but that they shifted the whole blame of the feeling left out issue solely on him; like he's the only one to blame for miscommunication.
yep, i also think krystian showed regret apologizing to nakamden.
people learn from mistakes.
i saw krystian was much more communicative too in ep6, he's speaking in korean.
I dont get how people fall for the evil editing. And especially how they are so toxic over a survival show
Poor Kristian! They did the same with Cai Bing and Fua Ning in Girls planet 999. They might be more opinionated but it doesn’t mean evil 🙄 just comparing to people who are too shy or uncomfortable to defend their ideas or openly disagree. I actually think that in the west when you stand up for yourself it’s more of a plus. Maybe Koreans / Japanese find it to intimidating?
It's no secret that Mnet favours the K group. Not giving G group a translator seems like a thought out decision because they want them to have misunderstandings. I wish people wouldn't fall for the editing tricks :/
Krystian deserves so much better
i dont like either one of them,,, i know korean and daeul said what he translated which regardless was rude. and krystian raised his voice which shouldnt be excused, u dont talk to others like that.. i dont condone hate but the excuses being made are unbelievable
Try to be with stranger and talk with someone who don't go or think the same way as you
Even if it was rude, it's not a reason to hate on anyone people can say rude thing sometimes intentionally or not it's not something special or uncommon especially if you are competing against a stranger.
I agree it doesn't make it OK but it is not that's deep.
Plus what daeul said is factually not wrong in this environmental of survival show.
@@mylovechoerry2233 Hate is never valid, but criticism is
@@fearnot_jeans Most people have to do that in their lives. A lot know how to be respectful while at it
i think what the coach says make sense. christian makes the steps quite feminine seriously and actually doesnt fit with the style of the song esp he represent the highlight. as u can see everyone on the team feels its best to actually change part and i think its just right to change since its a team decision. if he works hard and show his talent no matter what role or part he plays he will still shine i understand he is feeling pressure to shine but i hope he trust his talent more anyway they have resolve the issue and work it so i hope people stop bashing and just vote the people they support
yeah i find it very sa dthat instead of just not voting for people they dont like they chose to spread hate abt them online, like we are all watching the same episodes, we can spread awareness over the good trainees that arent getting a lot of screentime but sending hate to the ones u dont like isnt it
With daeul i think he meant he had a part in mind for all of them when he chose each member
Thank you for this video, you were actually not biased and explained things clearly and I appreciate that, I didn't really pay attention to the Daeul situation before but while rethinking about it, it's most certainly evil editing because Mnet doesn't want him in the group
He's really not in my top9 and I personally think he's not ready to debut yet, but this is not a reason to hate on him, he's an human before a trainee
i was upset when daeul was ranked high cause his skills are really lacking but all the hate he received is insane and i'm glad someone finally pointed out that he most likely got evil edited too
Thank you for defending daeul💓
Krystian calling him a bully when i picked him He got evil edited in 1st Mission
Why Kum Junhyeon (Sub Rapper 1) is on the center to sing the "hey you wanna come in"? He stand in the CENTER back of jongwoo (killing part)? and the center spotlight goes to him after the killing part jump done?
Did'nt they show krystian (who's also sub rap 1) in that exact same position on G-group practice but give a caption that it is krystian arrangement and the one they supposed to do is krystian quickly go to the side?
So it means mnet manipulating those scenes with the wrong order of the clips and misleading caption?? So Actually when krys stand in the center back of ricky like kum junhyeon in the center back of jongwoo was the way their formation supposed to be?? 😮, and the one where krys go to the side quickly is the one that's an arrangement and krys ofcourse don't want that bcs he already give up his killing part, why should he gave up more? He clearly said there that "it's the only part I have", Glad he voicing that he want to be in the center more than the ugly and unfair arrangement kamden try to make there from his original position as sub rap 1 that's on the center for hey u wanna come in like kum junhyeon
Also the way it's actually not allowed to change the members part like that unless you change it completely like for example if you want to erase that one part of krsytian's sub rap 1 like that, you should change it all with ricky's sub vocal 1, not just erase one of his part like that, or like when krys should give all of his killing part position, that's what allowed there, you can't only take one or two part from the members and give it to others, if you want to change their position you should change it totally, that's what they showed on other teams when any of them try to negotiate for changing the parts, mnet showed that they're not allowed to change parts like that unless they change it TOTALLY among 2 member's part
Also the way people thought krys was the one who ruin the formation on their practice that time, when the fact they even lost their killing part jump that they supposed to do like jongwoo in the start, was bcs they change the killing part to ricky who is the sub vocal 1, sub vocal 1 supposed to slide under the killing part like taerae slide under jongwoo here, but bcs ricky is both killing part and sub vocal 1, they finally remove the jump and only keep the slide
In the clip where they try their arrangement that krystian go quickly to the side you can see ricky still not do the jump either, so it means the killing part jump removing really because they choose the sub voc 1 slide than the kp jump for ricky who's both killing part and sub vocal 1, not bcs of krystian want to keep his SUB RAP 1 part
Mnet manipulation really 🤯
I agree with u actually, your voice is soothing
Thank you!
There are 3 certain things in this world, death, taxes and mnet evil editing the crap out of chinese contestants. They literally gave Krystian Cai Bing's storyline. You know mnet is insecure if they feel the need to do it for nth season in a row.
People who knows krystian from now United days, will never believe such evil scams.
Remember that korea has a very strict culture, so what seems to be fine in here, doesn’t mean it’s fine there!!
I don't know how much of Daeul's situation was evil edited. I'm not going to vote for him at all but that's because of my personal preferences. But that doesn't mean I think he deserves any of the hate he's been getting. I'm not sure if the friend's explanation is true or not, but the captions in the video are, in fact, accurate-- coming from someone who grew up in a Korean household and understand the language and culture. Even with the evil editing aside, in this competition, determining who should DEBUT, skill wise, I simply don't think he's ready to debut and, aside from the fact that he hasn't really grown all that much since the beginning, you can tell he's not on the show with the correct mindset. 1) his reasoning for the members he chose. This is a competition so he should have thought beyond "they were nice to me."
2) laughing because he "did poorly" isn't the proper reaction for someone who wants to debut. look at idols who HAVE debuted. they constantly monitor themselves and constantly think about improving their mistakes. Just laughing it off and being like "my bad," is irresponsible to his team. That's not evil editing, thats bad manners (in the performer community-- and im sure for many other communities as well).
He's not evil, just naive and ignorant of the position he's in.
for Krystian, I think the whole group was in the wrong haha! I don't blame anyone specifically, but they didn't approach the situation the correct way. Here's my interpretation of the situation, ignoring the evil editing:
1) I'm not blaming Krystian or anything but if they all voted to make Kamden leader, it's solely up to him to "not rush" or not. If it was really an issue, they should have decided as a team and been transparent with Kamden from the beginning that the language barrier is going to require everyone to slow down and be more weary of each other.
2) it sucks but Kamden should not have been leader if the language barrier was such an issue that members constantly had to translate. Kamden was such a great leader so it hurts me to admit it but the format of 1 person saying something and a 2nd person translating to practically everyone else is what was slowing them down in the first plac. That's why Kamden felt like they were behind and that they needed to "rush." At the very least, they should have made someone like Krystian leader and Kamden could have been performance leader in charge of making the performance look good. The team approached it poorly and because of it, allowed opportunity for Khrystian to be evil edited. I'm not completely convinced this was evil editing because the situation was just not the best to begin with, but i AGREE nobody on the team is "evil" or deserved any sort of hate
Guys just don't trust Mnet
its sad because even gp999 contestants went through the translating stuff. one of the contestants spoke out about when she asked for at least a translator or a dictionary, they said no and told her to solve it by herself. i believe that they refused so more people would get intrigued into the show, but imo, it would've gotten me annoyed and i would've skipped the parts. and if it keeps on increasing (the clips that shows them struggling to understand), i would stop watching. no wonder why mnet is called msnake. 😕
I think Krystian was misunderstood like really. It's tough to communicate since they're from different countries and maybe that's why they misunderstood each other and as we all know MNET.....took this opportunity to evil edit another trainee again.
Lee Daeul is not ready to debut. No hate, but he has unstable vocals, and his dance is concerning. He needs time and training, which he didn't get the opportunity to have properly in the company, because they just decided to send him directly into the lion's mouth.
Me sentí mal por Krystian, pero también me dio mucha pena Kamdem, parecía sentirse muy excluido :( odio a mnet y a su evil edit pero por algo se sintió tan mal Kamdem
So heres what i understand. Basically hes saying that hes a bit of a burden in the group and he wants to improve. If he becomes the reason for having a bad performance then "theres no reason for picking you" because he thought hes actually helping them, since they get to pick a song that they like to perform to.
I'm ngl I actually fell for the Mnet editing. I don't know what's real but I'm trying to take everything with a grain of salt
Na kamden fighting 💓✨
actually g group trainees are really good, but how can an international group compete with a local group with the local language? this is the shittiest decision k vs g
I do think krystian is evil edited a lot, i do think he translated a lot but mnet just put some seconds of a half hour conversation in the episode
I lit got introduced to this show like an hour ago and I was like img this shiw is so cool and the trainees are so wholesome :D then I watched this video and realized kpop would be a lot better if making comments about it wasnt a thing :/
M net နဲ့ Youku ကအမွှာတွေ စိတ်ကင်ဆာတွေ😪
i dont think everything that happens has to be evil editing. sometimes people just use it as an excuse so their fav doesn't get trashed
Came here to say 1. Love your thoughts on daeul and krystian, thanks for explaining and 2. Please vote Jeong ichan 😭
lol ricky is just looking at the mirror, i really lost it when they were trying to show that he was pissed off lolz
my thought is so clear thar da eul shouldn't be even in Top 30 😂)
Lmao I am also telling my sister all the tea from bp but all though she isn’t K-pop fan
But seriously tho I don’t think Daeul is ready. All of this skills are either basic or below average. I didn’t get why he was ranked top when there are other more talented people
I don't think it's evil editing, it really happened and they just put in interesting scanes, and actually it's really interesting to see someone's ego? do you think they are human beings who have no sin and all human idols are without sin?
Yechen, shenyang, Lin shiyaun, yugeng, Chen liang this are ex trainees who got eliminated they said the clip was manipulated, the Killah part was the one that was not edited
It could be the edit. But let’s be honest. They’re all bad on boys planet . Lol
this is so random, but i love ur voice omg😊
Kamden cried in the interview tho
Kalau Da Eul aku tidak tau.. tapi menurutku kalau Kristian memang dia sedikit ngeyel, dia tidak bisa membawa grupnya untuk bekerja sama.. dia egois dan ingin terlihat menojol sendiri.
Dia memutus komunikasi dengan yang lainya. Semua tim G juga terhalang komunikasi..tapi kristian menunjukan bahwa dia bisa mengatur segalanya, tapi buktinya dia membuat koreografi berantakan,..
Menurutku kristian tidak cocok di ajak kerja sama tim.
Emangnya Daeul kenapa? Dia juga di evil editing juga? Maaf..ga paham soalnya. Aku ngerasa dia baik2 saja 🤔
Why would this team have a communication problem when there is 4 people able to speak English.
@@vembriarose2884 mnet cut when he talk with group member and make him lokks like selfish
the fact that you posted this 3 days before it got 10x worse lmao well done