What a joke, letting Thelma and her staff books flights and hotels knowing she was going to lose money. They expect Thelma to bust her gut making dresses but dont even have to decency to give them the right info!!
And this is the kind of traveller that gives them a bad name! Then they’ll (this particular client) probably wonder why venues etc cancel on them when they find out they’re travellers. They’ve done their own community a wrong here. Thelma should be trusted 100% and more. She goes out of her way, bends over backwards to make everything perfect and NEVER blabs or spills any beans. It’s an insult to her.
@@lindseyowen5968 Oh hell yes! lol 😁 I’ve seen episodes where she’s slept in her office trying to get a dress done in in 3 days that would usually take a month!
@@jadeybaby007 exactly. She was even traveling to Ireland to dress the bride! Imagine how much she lost? Especially since she turned away other business. I like Thelma, she’s a good lady.
@@lindseyowen5968 I’ve never seen her screwed over like that before. Travelers are pretty loyal and she’s definitely gained their trust. I think it had more to do with the camera crew that made the mother so paranoid.
Thelma doesn’t deserve to be treated like that she’s been asked lots of times questions about the dresses costs venues and she’s never said anything I think Thelma is brilliant her and her team make the most stunning dresses I’ve ever seen xxxxx
Thelma doesn’t just make the dresses for the traveler community, she also started an apprenticeship programme for young traveler women who have no secondary education and no means of making money. There was a documentary done on the first program and poor Thelma looked like she was going to have a stroke! lol 😂 She provided everything, the buses to pick all the girls up and take them home each day, talked to families who were unsure about letting the girls work but the way they all treated each other, bully each other over getting measurements wrong or making a dress right and would fight over the smallest thing was crazy! 🤦🏼♀️
@@charleycurls_ I remember one definitely did. She was a lot better a measurements than the others and took it really seriously. She was the one who got bullied by the other girls the worst because of how good she was.
Thats very upsetting. Thelma didn't deserve it. I hope she recouped some of her expenses. Almost all travelers trust her and there's a great reason for it. She is professional, loyal and does great services for their communities. If most vendors don't want you, why ruin relationships with the ones that do? Very sad.
A lot of why people don't want them is the reputation for trashing the place, if they did open one I wonder if the place would get trashed pretty often or if people would respect it.
Think all the other familes thelma and her staffhave looked after will have a lot to say about the the way this ungrateful crowd have treated her shame on them
I hate how travlers think busines are just "rAcIsT" bc they're denied entry after their origin is found out. When in reality it's due to the fact travlers are unethical loud, _(reguardless of the amout of complaints they recieve)_ *EXTREMELY* messy, _(they literally trash venues to the point of them looking like landfills.)_ Or some family member have beef so they either fight outside, inside the venue, or call the cops. Their behavior is rachect making it bad for business. And it's disrespectful af to make others clean up the landfill your left behind. They have no one to blame, but themselves & the majority of their community. 🤷🏽♀️
Thelma's out thousands of pounds because they won't trust the one non-traveler that they should trust. Lost money, lost time, lost work, and I doubt they'll be offering her several grand as a tip to cover their misbehavior.
Wish someone would just say it as it is. Travellers still experience prejudice because unfortunately there is proportionately a high prevalence of crime and other dishonest behaviour in the community. This makes it difficult for all travellers including honest travellers which is a real shame and the community needs to hold itself to account rather than expecting other people to ignore the obvious risk of doing business with a traveller.
Many of them also don't contribute to society through taxes yet expect to recieve services such as schools and the NHS. They also often take over people's land and leave mess when they move on. Obviously this is going to cause tension and breed resentment with people who live within the norms of society
@Connie Burden ok but like you’ve to think of it in percentage terms with the 100 robber out of 1000 people that’s 10% of the population whereas if it’s 5000 of 100000 then only 5% are getting robbed so it is higher that’s why it feels higher it doesn’t matter whether they’re a small or big community
@Connie Burden yeah but the per capita is significant it’s what makes it become more noticed because it’s an issue that the community is causing a disproportionate amount of crime in areas. They tend to promote/support crime as a “way of business”.
Some travellers had their wedding photos done at a local,photographic shop went in to collect them, took them out to the car and said they’d pop right back to pay and strangely enough drove off without paying the £400 bill. Why would people do something like that if they want others in the community to trust them? It gives the majority of travellers a bad name sadly.
They feel they can demand your good faith rather than having to earn it like everyone else. I'm afraid that's a pretty common mentality in the current era - entitlement.
The way they treated Thelma is only one reason why Travelers are looked down on. Thelma loses $$$ big time……..not to mention trashing venues, and sometimes stiffing the venue owners. This is their tradition????????
Why don’t the travellers invest in their own venue buildings ( so they can have ceremonies ) and no prejudice.. and all towns should have sites where they have have parking showers toilets. And like one guy who is a traveler runs his site. My parents live on a site run by a traveler and he is lovely. I would not upset him though
The main reason why Travellers don't run their own venues is because, as soon as suppliers know it's a Traveller venue, they will refuse to do business with them. It'd also make it really obvious to other wedding suppliers (caterers, cake makers, florists, etc) that it was a Traveller wedding and they would refuse to do business with the couple. To answer the point about stopping places, the problem is mainly planning permission. Every time a council finds a suitable piece of land for a site, everyone local objects. This causes a shortage in legal stopping places, leaving Travellers with no choice but to set up illegal camps on parks etc. OP - Thank you for mentioning about your parents. Everything in the public domain about Travellers is negative, so thank you for adding some balance. To answer the FAQs before they're asked (not necessarily by you, OP, but someone always asks): Travellers stop on illegal camps out of necessity, not choice. This is because not having an address actually stops them being able to register for services (health and education, for example). They don't pay council tax because they can't - council tax is logged against properties, not individuals. No property/address = no bill. Rubbish on these illegal sites is there because most tips won't accept trade vehicles, such as the vans most Travellers have, or they insist on proof that you are a local resident (again, impossible without a proper address). They can't go on to "normal" holiday camp sites for three reasons: camp sites turn you away if they realise you're a Traveller; Travellers tend to have caravans slightly longer than normal ones (they need the space, it's their home) and camp sites know this, so they put a size limit on their bookings/pitches that excludes almost all Traveller caravans; and, because they know Travellers need to work, most holiday camp sites ban vans/trade vehicles from the site. Can't stay there if you can't work to pay the rent and put food on the table.
@@kanyebreast6072 maybe because ppl can wonder the same thing. I rember seeing those shows years ago thinking that they could build own places for partys. If you hear about a problem most ppl would try and solve it as easy as possible, the easyest is to build own places why is it strange that more than one thinks of it?
I’ve not met many traveler’s living in London but did meet a couple. I went to a corner shop to top up my Oyster card before heading to work. Two traveler men came in and they started throwing and kicking a football around trashing the corner shop breaking ceiling lights and all sorts… shopkeeper was obviously frightened to tell him off bec it was two of them and one of him. This was done by two men, I can only imagine what a large group of them would do. Just have no respect to anyone.
I would tell then to pick up their crap in 24hrs or its going in the trash. And THIS is why they get kicked out of places because too many venues get trashed(another one of these vids show family being booted from a hotel for the kids running roughshod and disrupting the other guests) or ghosted.. they are unreliable and deceitful. ...
They HAVE already taken all the dresses....and also a whole selection of Thelma's OWN underskirts that she hires out separately to be worn with the dresses....so the bride has all the dresses already! Thelma was only traveling over to help dress them all and arrange all the layers in the correct order etc. After the wedding she'd have come back home bringing HER underskirts back with her! She has lost money on non returnable flight or ferry costs, too late to be refunded in full for hotel rooms she's booked, potentially lost out thousands on the cost of replacing all those huge layered underskirts which they've basically stolen off her at this point in time, and the biggest financial loss is that she has turned down other brides who wanted her to squeeze them in, who for example ARE getting married on the 30th, because they knew they'd be too busy adding the final dressmaking touches and finishes, wouldn't have underskirts for everyone to hire, and she'd be in Ireland that weekend anyway! Let's say the ACTUAL date of this wedding is actually 2-3 weeks later than they were told, she could have squeezed in one more wedding dress and fitting BEFORE this one, because they've been working flat out on this one's details to get it done in time. If she took them to court she can sue for loss of earnings... And you can imagine how many thousands and thousands that could amount to. Meanwhile other disappointed Gypsy brides have not been able to work with Thelma in time for their own wedding, so that mother has done fellow travellers a disservice too! But there's nothing for Thelma to put in the trash....they made sure they got everything THEY needed before lying to her! That's why the girl's bedroom is stacked with THELMA'S underskirts!
@@tamielizabethallaway2413 ok .. well I hope she learned her lesson and will no longer be trusting them to take their product until fully paid.. she would have still been out the cost of the travel though but at least the bride would have been at a loss as well... you are right.. they really did a disservice to other brides.
@@ZillasCoop it's mothers like that, that make people so wary of travellers to start with. And I know it's prejudiced to cancel venue bookings after finding out they're travellers, but with the way a lot of their gatherings end up in arguments and punch ups you can understand why owners wouldn't want to risk their beautiful wedding venue getting damaged, nor how the noise levels could upset other guests and leave the venue with a negative reputation. No, of course they don't all trash the places, nor do they all lie and use manipulation to ship over someone else's property, but those that do make the rest of their community suffer! They already had venues cancel on them, so they know what it feels like, but it's ok to do the same thing to Thelma. No wonder the mother didn't want her face on TV! Shy my arse! More like SLY!!! I can very very vaguely remember seeing this exact episode in full when it originally aired. My memory of it is minimal but I think the girl had no involvement with the arrangements the mother made, her Mum was paying for the dresses, so the girl didn't know about the financial agreement that was made. And I'm almost certain...in a fuzzy hazy memory, that Thelma calmed down afterwards and didn't take things further from a legal perspective. Even when she was seriously angry she was STILL trying to make sense of it through a travellers eyes! I'm sure it was resolved somewhat and Thelma was more understanding than that mother deserved!
They have been very disrespectful to the dressmakers.. after all the many hours of sewing their fingers to the bone. I'm disgusted they were treated so shabby.😢💐🇦🇺
@@rebeccas6157 the mom lied to Thelma about when the wedding really was. She wouldn't tell her where it was so Thelma could help the bride. The bride had no clue that her mom lied to everyone.
I feel bad for Thelma. She has proven to be professional and reliable. This family was disrespectful to her. I hope they reimbursed her for any money she had lost.
Obviously, I could be mistaken, but something seems truly off about this family & I felt that before the privacy issues came to a head. There's something deeper than just being secretive travelers at play here. My hunch was confirmed during the last bedroom scene, there was a hint of strangeness in the bride's eyes. IDK
Years of inbreeding will do that. They marry their own cousins very often, and stay tightly within their own little world most of the time. Leads to a great many mental and physical issues.
@@carlee5432 totally agree what a stupid statement to make no difference from any other wedding i would love to go to a gypsy or travellers wedding sorry don't no if you like to be called gypsy ot travellers if I've upset anyone not meant to so to all you getting married have a wonderful day 😊
@@carlee5432 I’ve never been to a wedding where the bride was a child, that left garbage, human shit and other mess everywhere, uses stolen or fake credit cards and requires several rounds of police to be called for fights
The bride had the dress in her bedroom. You might want to watch this video over again for a review, for the young lady showed the dress and accessories to the camera man for the TV program.
By the time Thelma called her about the false wedding date, the girl had the wedding dress, veil, and all the bridesmaids dresses at her own house. She took them with her when she and her mother went back to Ireland after she tried on her wedding dress, and Thelma made the alterations needed. The girl showed the bodice of the wedding dress and the veil to the cameraman there in her bedroom.
I used to work in a hotel in Kingston on Thames. Many a time parties etc were cancelled after finding out it was for travellers. The few times it wasn't we had the TVs ripped of the walls and rooms trashed. The hotel manager actually left after another time they took over the bar and he legged it! I've been friends with travellers for years. Have bought ponies etc from them. Very friendly and helpful people. Others are completely different towards you. I think its like anyone there's good and bad in EVERYONE.
We used to have a pub down the road and they held a traveller reception the travellers got into fights broke loads of stuff it was awful cost the owner almost 8 grand and they didn’t even pay
This was so disgusting the way they treated Thelma making her cry like that just shows you how much she cares about these people I just couldn't believe how they treated her and she is a better woman than me I would have beat their ass and charged them for every single minute that they wasted time for her and charge them for the clients she lost and had to turn them down because of the brides family
Miss Thelma, you were badly mistreated. If someone else did the same thing to that family, they surely would call a lie a lie! With that kind of treatment, I would start charging my clients up front and probably also refuse to “dress the bride” unless I could drive there in less than 90 minutes.
This was so ill done towards Thelma and her team. I understand the prejudice against the community but situations like this, caused by Travellers themselves really do not help. Those dresses have so much time and hard work put into them, in addition to the fact that they're all custom and usually ordered on a rush deadline.
I hope the dress maker includes her travel expenses when she charges for the dress. And that mom is so very wrong bc this designer does so much for these women/girls including never sharing any info with anyone that the families say. I think they didn’t want any of it filmed. However, since MOST of the time people do get paid some money, that’s why they did it. The check probably cleared and they were like “eF it, we can do whatever we want bc it’s for my lil girl”. Idk but I’m guessing. Anyway.... I’m gobsmacked!
Why don’t the travelers build their own venue in their individual,communities or even one big on in most countries where travelers are. That way they can do what they want
Thelma has said more than once that she cannot, and will not, ever tell the price of the gypsy/traveler gowns because to do so would mean her death, literally. She would be killed for revealing the prices. I do know, from a couple of this kind of show I watched about 5 years ago, that some of the dresses can cost up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, but that's all I've seen, no specific price anywhere.
They act like this and are still upset that people cancel on them when they find out that they are travelers… 🙄 They did just prove that those who canceled did the right thing.
My Aunt, a professional tailor, dress maker and a master at creating custom gowns for all occasions loved everyone and never had a bad word to say about anybody, except for her Gypsy customers in Illinois. She cried to me about how difficult they were to work with but she was the only gown creator in town that would work with them AT ANY PRICE! So, perhaps they've earned some of their bad reputation. I don't know. I only know what I saw and heard myself with the dealings my Aunt had with them.
I would refuse the service or would have to have a 75% deposit. There's absolutely no way I would after watching all these shows and I say this as someone who comes from travellers. Luckily for me as a woman the decision to leave that lifestyle was made long before I was thought of and kept secret so we just lived regular lives in Kentucky. No girls are married off young in my family in fact education is heavily pushed. And it's not even so much education it's like being self-sufficient and having careers and things like that. Doing whatever you want to do that makes you happy.
All the cancellations and they still don’t do anything to change their ways so they don’t get looked at that way. They are seen as liars, cheats, scam artists, thieves, venue destroyers, crass, rude etc and yet they change nothing. The prejudice comes from experiences not just guess work.
I’ve been saying for about the past 15yrs someone should create a wedding venue and hotel that accepts and specializes in traveler weddings so having tables strong and large enough for the cakes and chairs that wld be easier for the brides
I would have to believe they are secretive due to the fact that they are marrying off underage girls! I don't blame vendors for not wanting to participate in child abuse and canceling once they find out.
From all of the Gypsy Wedding shows that I have watched in my opinion the venues cancel because the families don't know how to act right. There's almost always a fight and they wreck the venues. Sometimes the police has to come.
I'm not sure I'd work with any client - no matter who they were - who refused to give me their wedding date. That's actually cruel to the dressmaking staff. That also means that since there's no definitive date, they can make up any day they like, or not pay, or make their life a living hell.
Not even a traveler and I’m not a huge fan of ballgown dresses in general, but Thelma spends her own money and time and patience on these complex dresses just to be treated like this
Grew up in Kent and there were a bunch of travellers close to my home (where we grew up). My gosh they were always destroying any & everything around them and everyone else. For the most part, we had a group of quiet neighbours till those guys decided it was a party wk or wknd and you wld KNOW they are around. Weirdly, everyone else was the problem to them. Though they wld come as an army to visit one person in a block of flats close to our home. Only time I have been in close proximity to travellers really.
I understand why they're secretive but at least tell Thelma the right date. She already booked the tickets and spent money for the trip. Very rude of the mom
What do they do with the dresses after the weddings? Most are so big it doesn't seem like they can store them in their rvs.... And it also doesn't look like they pass them on to family members. But they pay so much I can't imagine just tossing them out 🤷 I'm way too stressed about this 😂 lol
She probably works with travellers because they spend insane amounts of money on not only brides dresses but bridesmaids dresses, party dresses, communion dresses, etc. they probably bring in most of her income. Also this is probably not an everyday problem for her. For the most part the girls have good manners and as she said, as long as they don’t ask her to dress them then she doesn’t care about the dates. The men seem to be the really aggressive criminal types, the girls seem to be much better mannered. Although she sure learned her lesson about the girls when she tried to teach them to be seamstresses and give them rules and make them work!! Lol. They didn’t take kindly to being told what to do. But that’s because they never have that kind of authority before.
@@marthakilcoyne8001 It's not being "rAcIsT" anyways. You know bc "traveler" is not a race to begin with. It's just prejudice _(not that that's any better)_ We know not *EVERY SINGLE* travler that exists in America & Britain acts this way, but the fact that the majority does gives the entire culture a bad reputation and a well deserved one too. 🤷🏽♀️ _[Also may I add, nowhere did they make your assumption. They only brought up the fact of the origin of which their bad reputation stems from]_
@@marthakilcoyne8001 One more thing: Your comparison falls through the cracks as most white people aren't known to do crack -> making your point invalid.
@@lAmWrath in a study of the crime rate around traveller sites across the UK, the rates were 75% lower than the settled population. If there is antisocial behaviour /criminal activity committed by travellers, it's by a significant minority. They're not all the same.
@@lah1667 that’s funny because I’ve found studies saying crime rates go up by half around traveler sites. That’s why you don’t rely on them self reporting their own crimes
This dressmaker has proven time and time again that she’s not going to give them up or tell people information that will hurt them so for that mother to do what she did proves how shady she is not all travelers but this particular lady not only that she wanted them to dress her girls so giving her a fake date she had to know that it would be costing the dressmaker money out of her pocket because she was giving her incorrect information for traveling costs as well as hotel expenses that mother should be held accountable for that also because she chose to lie whether they call it lying or protecting it cost the dressmaker money that it shouldn’t be costing so shame on that lady for that that mom is what give travelers a bad name and that’s a shame😔
I heard that they are, but there are ways to get around it, especially if the family constantly moves around. They might just say they are transferring schools, or going to live with another relative. In that case all their records would be spread out over many different places, and no one would be able to put them all together in order to realize that the child actually isn’t in any school. One school thinks they are at another school, and the other school thinks they’re at another school lol.
As soon as they said disney I figured princess and the frog because holy crap did they get those leaves down perfectly on her dress!! Ugh so beautiful! Amazing seamstress! 💚
Replace “ traveler bride” with “child bride” and I can understand why travelers are not welcome. I wish these girls happiness but I wish you a completed education and real dating experience as well.
That's not the reason, all the brides are of legal age to marry. It's because it is SO common that they get drunk and rowdy, destroy property, get in fights, make police come over... When you tend to be like that, no wonder hotel owners and venues will turn you down
I did work for a traveller before. Got a great insight into their way of life. I was able to detect their is enormous creativity there that is unused. I think this is a big problem.
After all the work you did for that family and then ya get shat on. I hope you charged them for all the Travel, Hotels costs, because whattheyhave doneis darn right out of hand. You and your girls worked so bloody hard and don't deserve that. By the way her dress was beautiful Thelma xx
Why do they have to behave so poorly? Maybe if they didn’t do that venues wouldn’t be so reluctant to rent to them. Like they let kids drink and run wild. Why would a business want to bother with all that?
Thelma could start her own venue, but I have question? How would Thelma protect that venue from the damage, fights, calling the police, etc.? I mean just the clean up and repairs could cause a delay for the next appointment. How would she get paid also, if they just disappear? You see, even with a traveler owned venue, same questions apply. There is a reason that some of them can afford all the bells and whistles of these elaborate weddings. Some honestly pay, but some don’t. There never seems to be a question about budget or costs. This is not about tradition or culture. It is about wanting something no matter what. It happens with the brides themselves in some instances and how a boy/man gets a girl. We can’t judge it in our understanding of things. We have to realize, just like telling lies, they see or excuse it in their culture to make it okay.
They complain about how they cant find places to have wedding among other things, maybe try changing your ways and respecting others. Until then i guess it will stay the same.
I feel so bad for you after all that beautiful hard work you did… The dresses were amazing and to be treated without respect is shocking and I cannot imagine how you feel right now! I know very little about the Travellers and for you to stick your neck out for them then go to search links of support to them and then make such beautiful gowns "OVER THE TOP" & SUCH EXPENSE!! I hope you finally or paid the money your owed! I don't buy it that they don't look at it is lying. People who lie do it habitually and they think there's no consequences. I know this because I had a woman who was the mother of my two grandsons habitually lie and she was so convincing that you wanted to believe her and you wanted to try to help her in anyway you could and she tell you she wanted to do better in her life & all the while she was scheming behind your back two run away and leave the babies time after time after time and she never met a word she said to you. And then she come back again and beg you to truster she was change and you'd fall victim to her stories and the babies would want their mommy to stay and love them and so once again you would do it all over just to have her treat him terribly again six months or a year later until finally after seven years my son said enough never again. You have to harden yourself against the lies and they know they're lying so I don't feel that people like that don't understand it, I think they use it as a way to manipulate others and get away with as little or as much as they can socially! I would just like to say to the bridal shop lady that your work was AMAZING, & YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF!! You did work like I have never seen before. Please take pride in that knowing the scale of your work was excellent!!! SUPERB❣️
Thelma.. I admire your fight and support to stick up for the traveling community.. My best friend at school was a traveler girl.. I think of her often. We made our communion together and had a great time.. They are the most wonderful people..
…and they wonder why venues cancel on them? Could it be something to do with the drunken lout men, fighting, loud, rude and damaging property with giving a &^%^ ? Or, is it because the LLs in travellers stands for liars?
This is the problem, different culture and does not always fit easily with the rest of us in the UK, never mind quite a few of the men don't pay full income tax nor comply with the law. It is not surprising given the trouble there sometimes is and people being late that people may not want them to hold the wedding party after the church wedding at their venue.
As a business idea, there seems to be an abundance of money, if what is spent on weddings is any idea. A traveller could buy a building, and then host traveller only weddings. By the sounds of it, they would be not be having issues getting bookings. As a proud community they can police their own issues, that non traveller's seem to be hesitant to take on.
The venues cancel because unfortunately for the travellers, they have a reputation of throwing their rubbish everywhere and fighting. I’ve witnessed it first hand at Appleby (horse fair). Crap and cans and bottles just chucked all over the place despite there being council bins.
Disney themes are popular for gypsy brides...
Me: because they're still technically children
A fuckin men
I literally said the same thing. lol.
And imagine 22 is too old to be single...
Yes they are still children
I just died.
What a joke, letting Thelma and her staff books flights and hotels knowing she was going to lose money. They expect Thelma to bust her gut making dresses but dont even have to decency to give them the right info!!
That was so wrong!!!
I'd add the cost of the travel and hotel to the bill.
She will write it off during tax season.
That is why people don’t trust them
This is exactly why business people do not want to do business with travelers
And this is the kind of traveller that gives them a bad name! Then they’ll (this particular client) probably wonder why venues etc cancel on them when they find out they’re travellers. They’ve done their own community a wrong here. Thelma should be trusted 100% and more. She goes out of her way, bends over backwards to make everything perfect and NEVER blabs or spills any beans. It’s an insult to her.
They pay her a sh*tload for it too! lol 😂
@@jadeybaby007 I know, and I reckon she deserves every penny plus a chunky tip! 😂
@@lindseyowen5968 Oh hell yes! lol 😁 I’ve seen episodes where she’s slept in her office trying to get a dress done in in 3 days that would usually take a month!
@@jadeybaby007 exactly. She was even traveling to Ireland to dress the bride! Imagine how much she lost? Especially since she turned away other business. I like Thelma, she’s a good lady.
@@lindseyowen5968 I’ve never seen her screwed over like that before. Travelers are pretty loyal and she’s definitely gained their trust. I think it had more to do with the camera crew that made the mother so paranoid.
Thelma doesn’t deserve to be treated like that she’s been asked lots of times questions about the dresses costs venues and she’s never said anything I think Thelma is brilliant her and her team make the most stunning dresses I’ve ever seen xxxxx
Exactly! Thelma keeps her mouth shut and respects that these girls have their secrets to keep and makes them the dress of their dreams!
Thelma doesn’t just make the dresses for the traveler community, she also started an apprenticeship programme for young traveler women who have no secondary education and no means of making money. There was a documentary done on the first program and poor Thelma looked like she was going to have a stroke! lol 😂
She provided everything, the buses to pick all the girls up and take them home each day, talked to families who were unsure about letting the girls work but the way they all treated each other, bully each other over getting measurements wrong or making a dress right and would fight over the smallest thing was crazy! 🤦🏼♀️
I remember that series it was really good but I'm curious to know if those girls actually stayed there after the series ended
@@charleycurls_ I remember one definitely did. She was a lot better a measurements than the others and took it really seriously. She was the one who got bullied by the other girls the worst because of how good she was.
Do you remember what that documentary was called?
@@robinyoung6533 I don’t sorry. I watched it on my old paid tv cable channel and haven’t been able to find it on RUclips.
Aw bummer, thanks for letting me know either way 🙂
"I hate when venues cancel on us"
*Cancels on Thelma*
Thats very upsetting. Thelma didn't deserve it. I hope she recouped some of her expenses. Almost all travelers trust her and there's a great reason for it. She is professional, loyal and does great services for their communities. If most vendors don't want you, why ruin relationships with the ones that do? Very sad.
Surely there is a screamingly obvious idea for a traveller business - open up an events venue for your community!
That would involve them having to pay tax so it will never happen .
I think Paddy (or whatever his name is) has done.
A lot of why people don't want them is the reputation for trashing the place, if they did open one I wonder if the place would get trashed pretty often or if people would respect it.
Good luck getting *and keeping* the insurance policy, then.
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How sad. She seems to be very supportive of their culture and non-judgemental. How sad she was treated this way
Think all the other familes thelma and her staffhave looked after will have a lot to say about the the way this ungrateful crowd have treated her shame on them
Discrimination they say, when maybe the people at the venues just don't want to be involved in the marrying of literal children.
Erm she's 17.....
Yes. 17 is still a literal child.
@julz5281 as someone who actually got pregnant at 17, yes it's very much a child. 31 now and I shudder !
I hate how travlers think busines are just "rAcIsT" bc they're denied entry after their origin is found out. When in reality it's due to the fact travlers are unethical loud, _(reguardless of the amout of complaints they recieve)_ *EXTREMELY* messy, _(they literally trash venues to the point of them looking like landfills.)_ Or some family member have beef so they either fight outside, inside the venue, or call the cops.
Their behavior is rachect making it bad for business. And it's disrespectful af to make others clean up the landfill your left behind. They have no one to blame, but themselves & the majority of their community. 🤷🏽♀️
Thelma's out thousands of pounds because they won't trust the one non-traveler that they should trust. Lost money, lost time, lost work, and I doubt they'll be offering her several grand as a tip to cover their misbehavior.
The next bride would have to cover the cost.
Wish someone would just say it as it is. Travellers still experience prejudice because unfortunately there is proportionately a high prevalence of crime and other dishonest behaviour in the community. This makes it difficult for all travellers including honest travellers which is a real shame and the community needs to hold itself to account rather than expecting other people to ignore the obvious risk of doing business with a traveller.
Not to mention how they treat their women and girls
Many of them also don't contribute to society through taxes yet expect to recieve services such as schools and the NHS. They also often take over people's land and leave mess when they move on. Obviously this is going to cause tension and breed resentment with people who live within the norms of society
@Connie Burden ok but like you’ve to think of it in percentage terms with the 100 robber out of 1000 people that’s 10% of the population whereas if it’s 5000 of 100000 then only 5% are getting robbed so it is higher that’s why it feels higher it doesn’t matter whether they’re a small or big community
@Connie Burden yeah but the per capita is significant it’s what makes it become more noticed because it’s an issue that the community is causing a disproportionate amount of crime in areas. They tend to promote/support crime as a “way of business”.
Yeah, but how are they supposed to make a living if no one hires them for honest work?
This family is definitely involved in crime there is no reason to be this secretive
Some travellers had their wedding photos done at a local,photographic shop went in to collect them, took them out to the car and said they’d pop right back to pay and strangely enough drove off without paying the £400 bill. Why would people do something like that if they want others in the community to trust them? It gives the majority of travellers a bad name sadly.
They feel they can demand your good faith rather than having to earn it like everyone else.
I'm afraid that's a pretty common mentality in the current era - entitlement.
@@loud6037 Please don't equate stealing with an entire generation's mentality. This behaviour far preceeds the entitled generation.
The way they treated Thelma is only one reason why Travelers are looked down on. Thelma loses $$$ big time……..not to mention trashing venues, and sometimes stiffing the venue owners. This is their tradition????????
Why don’t the travellers invest in their own venue buildings ( so they can have ceremonies ) and no prejudice.. and all towns should have sites where they have have parking showers toilets. And like one guy who is a traveler runs his site. My parents live on a site run by a traveler and he is lovely. I would not upset him though
You've stole this idea from another gypsy video saying the exact same thing!!
The main reason why Travellers don't run their own venues is because, as soon as suppliers know it's a Traveller venue, they will refuse to do business with them. It'd also make it really obvious to other wedding suppliers (caterers, cake makers, florists, etc) that it was a Traveller wedding and they would refuse to do business with the couple.
To answer the point about stopping places, the problem is mainly planning permission. Every time a council finds a suitable piece of land for a site, everyone local objects. This causes a shortage in legal stopping places, leaving Travellers with no choice but to set up illegal camps on parks etc.
OP - Thank you for mentioning about your parents. Everything in the public domain about Travellers is negative, so thank you for adding some balance.
To answer the FAQs before they're asked (not necessarily by you, OP, but someone always asks): Travellers stop on illegal camps out of necessity, not choice. This is because not having an address actually stops them being able to register for services (health and education, for example). They don't pay council tax because they can't - council tax is logged against properties, not individuals. No property/address = no bill. Rubbish on these illegal sites is there because most tips won't accept trade vehicles, such as the vans most Travellers have, or they insist on proof that you are a local resident (again, impossible without a proper address). They can't go on to "normal" holiday camp sites for three reasons: camp sites turn you away if they realise you're a Traveller; Travellers tend to have caravans slightly longer than normal ones (they need the space, it's their home) and camp sites know this, so they put a size limit on their bookings/pitches that excludes almost all Traveller caravans; and, because they know Travellers need to work, most holiday camp sites ban vans/trade vehicles from the site. Can't stay there if you can't work to pay the rent and put food on the table.
@@kanyebreast6072 haha fr i saw the other clip this morning with a similar comment!
@@armin2changs Lol! I was hoping someone else seen it!! Total copycat!!
@@kanyebreast6072 maybe because ppl can wonder the same thing. I rember seeing those shows years ago thinking that they could build own places for partys.
If you hear about a problem most ppl would try and solve it as easy as possible, the easyest is to build own places why is it strange that more than one thinks of it?
I’ve not met many traveler’s living in London but did meet a couple. I went to a corner shop to top up my Oyster card before heading to work. Two traveler men came in and they started throwing and kicking a football around trashing the corner shop breaking ceiling lights and all sorts… shopkeeper was obviously frightened to tell him off bec it was two of them and one of him. This was done by two men, I can only imagine what a large group of them would do. Just have no respect to anyone.
If the mother was this paranoid dhe should've never allowed the camera to film in the first place. How she did Thelma was wrong.
Thelma and her team have every right to feel the way they do. You don’t do that to folks who are doing everything to help you. I felt so bad for her.
I would tell then to pick up their crap in 24hrs or its going in the trash. And THIS is why they get kicked out of places because too many venues get trashed(another one of these vids show family being booted from a hotel for the kids running roughshod and disrupting the other guests) or ghosted.. they are unreliable and deceitful. ...
Exactly.
Where there is smoke - there is fire!
They HAVE already taken all the dresses....and also a whole selection of Thelma's OWN underskirts that she hires out separately to be worn with the dresses....so the bride has all the dresses already! Thelma was only traveling over to help dress them all and arrange all the layers in the correct order etc. After the wedding she'd have come back home bringing HER underskirts back with her! She has lost money on non returnable flight or ferry costs, too late to be refunded in full for hotel rooms she's booked, potentially lost out thousands on the cost of replacing all those huge layered underskirts which they've basically stolen off her at this point in time, and the biggest financial loss is that she has turned down other brides who wanted her to squeeze them in, who for example ARE getting married on the 30th, because they knew they'd be too busy adding the final dressmaking touches and finishes, wouldn't have underskirts for everyone to hire, and she'd be in Ireland that weekend anyway! Let's say the ACTUAL date of this wedding is actually 2-3 weeks later than they were told, she could have squeezed in one more wedding dress and fitting BEFORE this one, because they've been working flat out on this one's details to get it done in time. If she took them to court she can sue for loss of earnings... And you can imagine how many thousands and thousands that could amount to. Meanwhile other disappointed Gypsy brides have not been able to work with Thelma in time for their own wedding, so that mother has done fellow travellers a disservice too! But there's nothing for Thelma to put in the trash....they made sure they got everything THEY needed before lying to her! That's why the girl's bedroom is stacked with THELMA'S underskirts!
@@tamielizabethallaway2413 ok .. well I hope she learned her lesson and will no longer be trusting them to take their product until fully paid.. she would have still been out the cost of the travel though but at least the bride would have been at a loss as well... you are right.. they really did a disservice to other brides.
@@ZillasCoop it's mothers like that, that make people so wary of travellers to start with. And I know it's prejudiced to cancel venue bookings after finding out they're travellers, but with the way a lot of their gatherings end up in arguments and punch ups you can understand why owners wouldn't want to risk their beautiful wedding venue getting damaged, nor how the noise levels could upset other guests and leave the venue with a negative reputation. No, of course they don't all trash the places, nor do they all lie and use manipulation to ship over someone else's property, but those that do make the rest of their community suffer! They already had venues cancel on them, so they know what it feels like, but it's ok to do the same thing to Thelma. No wonder the mother didn't want her face on TV! Shy my arse! More like SLY!!!
I can very very vaguely remember seeing this exact episode in full when it originally aired. My memory of it is minimal but I think the girl had no involvement with the arrangements the mother made, her Mum was paying for the dresses, so the girl didn't know about the financial agreement that was made. And I'm almost certain...in a fuzzy hazy memory, that Thelma calmed down afterwards and didn't take things further from a legal perspective. Even when she was seriously angry she was STILL trying to make sense of it through a travellers eyes! I'm sure it was resolved somewhat and Thelma was more understanding than that mother deserved!
They have been very disrespectful to the dressmakers.. after all the many hours of sewing their fingers to the bone. I'm disgusted they were treated so shabby.😢💐🇦🇺
I remember this one. The mother did her dirty. The bride was totally clueless about what her mother did.
What did the mom do?
@@rebeccas6157 the mom lied to Thelma about when the wedding really was. She wouldn't tell her where it was so Thelma could help the bride. The bride had no clue that her mom lied to everyone.
@@lacyhay9022 What is the reason!!! (In Cardi B voice)
@@slyfy3421 from what I heard it was just a wedding in front of the judge. That's why the wedding wasn't allowed to be filmed.
Poor Thelma. That mum is a right bitch!!
I was feeling bad for the travelers at first but then they lied to the dress maker. Yeah I get why now.
After seeing that I hope the hotel finds out, and cancels their wedding
Maybe their venues get cancelled because I've only seen one of these episodes not end with the cops getting called...
Thelma has the patience of a saint, jeez Louise I’d have burned it all at that point after booking tickets and hotels.
I feel bad for Thelma. She has proven to be professional and reliable. This family was disrespectful to her. I hope they reimbursed her for any money she had lost.
Obviously, I could be mistaken, but something seems truly off about this family & I felt that before the privacy issues came to a head. There's something deeper than just being secretive travelers at play here. My hunch was confirmed during the last bedroom scene, there was a hint of strangeness in the bride's eyes. IDK
Her behavior leaning on the wardrobe was veryyyyyyyy… strange.I chalked it up to insecurities 😔
Years of inbreeding will do that. They marry their own cousins very often, and stay tightly within their own little world most of the time. Leads to a great many mental and physical issues.
@@jb6712 excellent point and one that escaped me! Given the conditions and traditions of the Gypsies, it would only make sense.
And this is why vendors don't want to work with Travelers
Why not do a show on what condition the venue is in after the travelers leave.
Probably no worse than any other raging wedding, your implication however is the problem
@@carlee5432 totally agree what a stupid statement to make no difference from any other wedding i would love to go to a gypsy or travellers wedding sorry don't no if you like to be called gypsy ot travellers if I've upset anyone not meant to so to all you getting married have a wonderful day 😊
@@carlee5432 I’ve never been to a wedding where the bride was a child, that left garbage, human shit and other mess everywhere, uses stolen or fake credit cards and requires several rounds of police to be called for fights
From what I have seen on these videos, there is always a fight that breaks out. How can you blame anyone for dodging the trouble?
I would’ve called that bride and straight up told her no dress!!
The bride had the dress in her bedroom.
You might want to watch this video over again for a review, for the young lady showed the dress and accessories to the camera man for the TV program.
By the time Thelma called her about the false wedding date, the girl had the wedding dress, veil, and all the bridesmaids dresses at her own house. She took them with her when she and her mother went back to Ireland after she tried on her wedding dress, and Thelma made the alterations needed. The girl showed the bodice of the wedding dress and the veil to the cameraman there in her bedroom.
I used to work in a hotel in Kingston on Thames.
Many a time parties etc were cancelled after finding out it was for travellers.
The few times it wasn't we had the TVs ripped of the walls and rooms trashed.
The hotel manager actually left after another time they took over the bar and he legged it!
I've been friends with travellers for years.
Have bought ponies etc from them. Very friendly and helpful people.
Others are completely different towards you.
I think its like anyone there's good and bad in EVERYONE.
And they (the travelers) whine that people don't want to deal with them... Geez, I wonder why.
She should be made to pay for hotels and flights! So unfair!!
Thelma always supports the travellers.So glad her truth got told.Thelma and co are so talented!
I am LIVING for this channel! I will forever be obsessed with these series. I bought Thelma Madine's book.
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I've just order the book about '10 dresses' by Thelma. Glad to meet a fellow fan! Have you seen 'here come the gypsies'?
@@lah1667 is that a movie?
@@kellyjeffries8953 no, it was a series on channel 5 (UK) but you can find it on RUclips too
They did Thelma and her team so wrong with their lies. I was mad too.
Because they have no respect for anyone except other travellers I completely understand why venues don't want them.
We used to have a pub down the road and they held a traveller reception the travellers got into fights broke loads of stuff it was awful cost the owner almost 8 grand and they didn’t even pay
This was so disgusting the way they treated Thelma making her cry like that just shows you how much she cares about these people I just couldn't believe how they treated her and she is a better woman than me I would have beat their ass and charged them for every single minute that they wasted time for her and charge them for the clients she lost and had to turn them down because of the brides family
It seems to be quite obvious that they didnt like being called out for all the lies they told Thelma
Miss Thelma, you were badly mistreated. If someone else did the same thing to that family, they surely would call a lie a lie!
With that kind of treatment, I would start charging my clients up front and probably also refuse to “dress the bride” unless I could drive there in less than 90 minutes.
I think Thelma should know when an where she works with them so much they should trust her
the customer should pay for Thelma & her assistants travel expenses. That would prevent Thelma loosing time & money.
@@kellyjeffries8953 I agree with you
This was so ill done towards Thelma and her team. I understand the prejudice against the community but situations like this, caused by Travellers themselves really do not help. Those dresses have so much time and hard work put into them, in addition to the fact that they're all custom and usually ordered on a rush deadline.
I hope the dress maker includes her travel expenses when she charges for the dress. And that mom is so very wrong bc this designer does so much for these women/girls including never sharing any info with anyone that the families say. I think they didn’t want any of it filmed. However, since MOST of the time people do get paid some money, that’s why they did it. The check probably cleared and they were like “eF it, we can do whatever we want bc it’s for my lil girl”. Idk but I’m guessing. Anyway.... I’m gobsmacked!
thelma is an absolute and loyal darling, she deserves more respect than that
75% deposit upfront.
non refundable as well!
Why don’t the travelers build their own venue in their individual,communities or even one big on in most countries where travelers are. That way they can do what they want
I wish someone would tell me how much these creations cost !!!
Thousands of pounds
Thelma has said more than once that she cannot, and will not, ever tell the price of the gypsy/traveler gowns because to do so would mean her death, literally. She would be killed for revealing the prices.
I do know, from a couple of this kind of show I watched about 5 years ago, that some of the dresses can cost up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, but that's all I've seen, no specific price anywhere.
They act like this and are still upset that people cancel on them when they find out that they are travelers… 🙄
They did just prove that those who canceled did the right thing.
So glad I don't own my beauty salon anymore after 50 yrs. This stuff goes on with us too. Last minute people cancel. Not dependable income
Why are they called travelers if they live in a house? I really don’t understand
read animal farm and pay attention on the pigs
My Aunt, a professional tailor, dress maker and a master at creating custom gowns for all occasions loved everyone and never had a bad word to say about anybody, except for her Gypsy customers in Illinois. She cried to me about how difficult they were to work with but she was the only gown creator in town that would work with them AT ANY PRICE! So, perhaps they've earned some of their bad reputation. I don't know. I only know what I saw and heard myself with the dealings my Aunt had with them.
I would refuse the service or would have to have a 75% deposit. There's absolutely no way I would after watching all these shows and I say this as someone who comes from travellers. Luckily for me as a woman the decision to leave that lifestyle was made long before I was thought of and kept secret so we just lived regular lives in Kentucky. No girls are married off young in my family in fact education is heavily pushed. And it's not even so much education it's like being self-sufficient and having careers and things like that. Doing whatever you want to do that makes you happy.
@Connie Burden That's smart, Connie! If they didn't have such a bad reputation they would not have to do all that.
All the cancellations and they still don’t do anything to change their ways so they don’t get looked at that way. They are seen as liars, cheats, scam artists, thieves, venue destroyers, crass, rude etc and yet they change nothing. The prejudice comes from experiences not just guess work.
I’ve been saying for about the past 15yrs someone should create a wedding venue and hotel that accepts and specializes in traveler weddings so having tables strong and large enough for the cakes and chairs that wld be easier for the brides
Travelers are so dumb and disrespectful they wouldn't want to have it
Like, they hate normal people but will use everything we established in society.
I would have to believe they are secretive due to the fact that they are marrying off underage girls! I don't blame vendors for not wanting to participate in child abuse and canceling once they find out.
From all of the Gypsy Wedding shows that I have watched in my opinion the venues cancel because the families don't know how to act right. There's almost always a fight and they wreck the venues. Sometimes the police has to come.
And it happens everywhere gypsies are. The US, Europe. It's all the same
They want to skip out of paying! Screw that
I'm not sure I'd work with any client - no matter who they were - who refused to give me their wedding date. That's actually cruel to the dressmaking staff. That also means that since there's no definitive date, they can make up any day they like, or not pay, or make their life a living hell.
They don't need be private with Thelma she won't tell anyone I think they tried rip her of for underskirt and dress out order she great at her job
Wait till the other families find out. They won't be best pleased and will stick up for Thelma!
How can you not trust thelma and her team shes the most trust worthy person ever
Not even a traveler and I’m not a huge fan of ballgown dresses in general, but Thelma spends her own money and time and patience on these complex dresses just to be treated like this
Grew up in Kent and there were a bunch of travellers close to my home (where we grew up). My gosh they were always destroying any & everything around them and everyone else. For the most part, we had a group of quiet neighbours till those guys decided it was a party wk or wknd and you wld KNOW they are around. Weirdly, everyone else was the problem to them. Though they wld come as an army to visit one person in a block of flats close to our home. Only time I have been in close proximity to travellers really.
I understand why they're secretive but at least tell Thelma the right date. She already booked the tickets and spent money for the trip. Very rude of the mom
Themla could have her own show.
Did they pay for the dresses? I sure hope so!
Travelers have a bad reputation for being dishonest and destructive.I have had only one experience with travelers myself and I was cheated by them.
What do they do with the dresses after the weddings? Most are so big it doesn't seem like they can store them in their rvs.... And it also doesn't look like they pass them on to family members. But they pay so much I can't imagine just tossing them out 🤷 I'm way too stressed about this 😂 lol
why do u ask non-travelers?
What ingrates! Thelma goes above and beyond for her brides! How shameful!
Please keep posting these I’m addicted!!
Thelma is a good person i sometimes wonder why she does this
She probably works with travellers because they spend insane amounts of money on not only brides dresses but bridesmaids dresses, party dresses, communion dresses, etc. they probably bring in most of her income. Also this is probably not an everyday problem for her. For the most part the girls have good manners and as she said, as long as they don’t ask her to dress them then she doesn’t care about the dates. The men seem to be the really aggressive criminal types, the girls seem to be much better mannered. Although she sure learned her lesson about the girls when she tried to teach them to be seamstresses and give them rules and make them work!! Lol. They didn’t take kindly to being told what to do. But that’s because they never have that kind of authority before.
Money. They pay stupid money for cheap tat. She's a clever woman.
Money £££
And this is why travelers have a (well-deserved) bad reputation.
Not all travelers don’t get it twisted that’s being racist assuming all travelers are like that. That’s like saying all white people are crack heads.
@@marthakilcoyne8001 It's not being "rAcIsT" anyways. You know bc "traveler" is not a race to begin with. It's just prejudice _(not that that's any better)_
We know not *EVERY SINGLE* travler that exists in America & Britain acts this way, but the fact that the majority does gives the entire culture a bad reputation and a well deserved one too. 🤷🏽♀️
_[Also may I add, nowhere did they make your assumption. They only brought up the fact of the origin of which their bad reputation stems from]_
@@marthakilcoyne8001 One more thing: Your comparison falls through the cracks as most white people aren't known to do crack -> making your point invalid.
@@lAmWrath in a study of the crime rate around traveller sites across the UK, the rates were 75% lower than the settled population. If there is antisocial behaviour /criminal activity committed by travellers, it's by a significant minority. They're not all the same.
@@lah1667 that’s funny because I’ve found studies saying crime rates go up by half around traveler sites. That’s why you don’t rely on them self reporting their own crimes
Gotta say Thelma is a legend. She’s a genuine down to earth nice person. She shouldn’t have to deal with that much stuff.
This dressmaker has proven time and time again that she’s not going to give them up or tell people information that will hurt them so for that mother to do what she did proves how shady she is not all travelers but this particular lady not only that she wanted them to dress her girls so giving her a fake date she had to know that it would be costing the dressmaker money out of her pocket because she was giving her incorrect information for traveling costs as well as hotel expenses that mother should be held accountable for that also because she chose to lie whether they call it lying or protecting it cost the dressmaker money that it shouldn’t be costing so shame on that lady for that that mom is what give travelers a bad name and that’s a shame😔
Question. Are children not required by law to be educated to a certain age in Ireland?
I heard that they are, but there are ways to get around it, especially if the family constantly moves around. They might just say they are transferring schools, or going to live with another relative. In that case all their records would be spread out over many different places, and no one would be able to put them all together in order to realize that the child actually isn’t in any school. One school thinks they are at another school, and the other school thinks they’re at another school lol.
A traveler needs to open up their own event centers so their people will not get turned away
As soon as they said disney I figured princess and the frog because holy crap did they get those leaves down perfectly on her dress!! Ugh so beautiful! Amazing seamstress! 💚
The men frequently don't want their identities revealed. 🤔
Replace “ traveler bride” with “child bride” and I can understand why travelers are not welcome. I wish these girls happiness but I wish you a completed education and real dating experience as well.
That's not the reason, all the brides are of legal age to marry. It's because it is SO common that they get drunk and rowdy, destroy property, get in fights, make police come over... When you tend to be like that, no wonder hotel owners and venues will turn you down
I did work for a traveller before. Got a great insight into their way of life. I was able to detect their is enormous creativity there that is unused. I think this is a big problem.
Every wedding should be blessing with happiness and love.
Now I see what the backstory is. Not prejudice. History.
After all the work you did for that family and then ya get shat on. I hope you charged them for all the Travel, Hotels costs, because whattheyhave doneis darn right out of hand. You and your girls worked so bloody hard and don't deserve that. By the way her dress was beautiful Thelma xx
Why do they have to behave so poorly? Maybe if they didn’t do that venues wouldn’t be so reluctant to rent to them. Like they let kids drink and run wild. Why would a business want to bother with all that?
Thelma need to start her on venue. 💡
Thelma could start her own venue, but I have question? How would Thelma protect that venue from the damage, fights, calling the police, etc.? I mean just the clean up and repairs could cause a delay for the next appointment. How would she get paid also, if they just disappear? You see, even with a traveler owned venue, same questions apply. There is a reason that some of them can afford all the bells and whistles of these elaborate weddings. Some honestly pay, but some don’t. There never seems to be a question about budget or costs. This is not about tradition or culture. It is about wanting something no matter what. It happens with the brides themselves in some instances and how a boy/man gets a girl. We can’t judge it in our understanding of things. We have to realize, just like telling lies, they see or excuse it in their culture to make it okay.
They complain about how they cant find places to have wedding among other things, maybe try changing your ways and respecting others. Until then i guess it will stay the same.
How are you a traveler if you live in a home? I hope Thelma gets paid for all her hard work.
If they're costing you money, it's a lie!
I feel so bad for you after all that beautiful hard work you did… The dresses were amazing and to be treated without respect is shocking and I cannot imagine how you feel right now! I know very little about the Travellers and for you to stick your neck out for them then go to search links of support to them and then make such beautiful gowns "OVER THE TOP" & SUCH EXPENSE!! I hope you finally or paid the money your owed! I don't buy it that they don't look at it is lying. People who lie do it habitually and they think there's no consequences. I know this because I had a woman who was the mother of my two grandsons habitually lie and she was so convincing that you wanted to believe her and you wanted to try to help her in anyway you could and she tell you she wanted to do better in her life & all the while she was scheming behind your back two run away and leave the babies time after time after time and she never met a word she said to you. And then she come back again and beg you to truster she was change and you'd fall victim to her stories and the babies would want their mommy to stay and love them and so once again you would do it all over just to have her treat him terribly again six months or a year later until finally after seven years my son said enough never again. You have to harden yourself against the lies and they know they're lying so I don't feel that people like that don't understand it, I think they use it as a way to manipulate others and get away with as little or as much as they can socially!
I would just like to say to the bridal shop lady that your work was AMAZING, & YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF!! You did work like I have never seen before. Please take pride in that knowing the scale of your work was excellent!!! SUPERB❣️
Thelma.. I admire your fight and support to stick up for the traveling community.. My best friend at school was a traveler girl.. I think of her often. We made our communion together and had a great time.. They are the most wonderful people..
…and they wonder why venues cancel on them? Could it be something to do with the drunken lout men, fighting, loud, rude and damaging property with giving a &^%^ ? Or, is it because the LLs in travellers stands for liars?
Thelma you should buy a building with hotel attached and use it exclusively for travellers weddings it would help so many people
This is the problem, different culture and does not always fit easily with the rest of us in the UK, never mind quite a few of the men don't pay full income tax nor comply with the law. It is not surprising given the trouble there sometimes is and people being late that people may not want them to hold the wedding party after the church wedding at their venue.
As a business idea, there seems to be an abundance of money, if what is spent on weddings is any idea. A traveller could buy a building, and then host traveller only weddings. By the sounds of it, they would be not be having issues getting bookings. As a proud community they can police their own issues, that non traveller's seem to be hesitant to take on.
What an absolutely Gorgeous dress!!!
The venues cancel because unfortunately for the travellers, they have a reputation of throwing their rubbish everywhere and fighting. I’ve witnessed it first hand at Appleby (horse fair). Crap and cans and bottles just chucked all over the place despite there being council bins.
Thelma is amazing and extremely talented
I would definitely sue Mary. They’re out of a lot of money and she turned other weddings because of Mary.