Thank you so much for clarifying that LMH story with IMSA because I also believed that IMSA prohibits LMH cars from racing. Tremendous video as always.
I started my Motorsports career in 1981 and saw every IMSA race held at Road America between 1981 and 2023. Those years between 1981 and 1993 were certainly the pinnacle of prototype racing. I am greatly encouraged by the field I saw at last year’s IMSA races. Lets hope that the momentum continues to build
Yeah, the jury is still out on whether this iteration is going to turn out as Golden. WEC seems to never get BOP right, with one team always running circles around everyone else
I really love these explainers. As someone who hasn’t followed endurance racing in about 12 years, so much has changed but so much is the same but with just some slight tweaks and new names.
Director: Action! Voiceover guy: They are the same cars with different BOP tweaks. Director: Cut! That’s a wrap. Everyone have a good night. 😅 But seriously, you have great content. Thank you. 👍
I am fanatic fan of formula 1 for a lot of years,but because of boring dominance I will pause watching formula 1 for sometime,and I will start watching Wec again for different reasons.First because of you and your great explanations about rules,drivers,teams and many more,secondly because I missed wec since I stopped watching in 2016 after Audi left,yeah am also an Audi fanatic and third reason because WEC actually has competition and has become guite interesting.I know I said a lot but what I want to say in a few words is that one of the biggest reasons I will start watching again is because of your channel and the passion you put in your videos.Continue your greay work and I wish to all us World Endurance Championship Fans a great season
Same for me. In preparation of another season of dominance in F1, I've been familiarizing myself with F2, MotoGP, Indycar, and WEC. This channel has been tremendously helpful in providing the information I need for WEC.
Just watched the 24h of le mans for rhe very first time. I watched 20/24h of the race. Just missed the last 2 hours of the night time SC and a bit here and there. What a beautiful race....
AMAZING! I learned everything about F1 from RUclips videos, but have been struggling to scrape together everything I have to know to start watching upper class endurance racing, you're saving me. Keep up the great work! 👊
Great Content as always👍 I consider you to be my #1 source of content of both Hypercar and GTP updates because I am well invested into these new classes since I first heard about them. Lets see how well it goes for the new season
This era is so exciting! As a longtime fan of sports car racing dating back to the IMSA World Sports Car era, and someone who has also been a fan of the original GTP (having seen a few GTP cars in person in a showcase at the 2020 Rolex 24 when I attended), I am thrilled with this new era on both the GTP and Hypercar side of the equation. I know a few people who have told stories about seeing either races in the Can Am or the original GTP back in the day and eagerly tell them of the new GTP and the Le Mans Hypercar classes because of how intriguing these cars are. Although, all the acronyms really do confuse people. Being someone, like yourself, who blogs and writes about sports car racing, on a daily basis, I wish I knew how I keep all the information together in my head, but I do. You try to explain all these categories to say, a Formula 1 fan and they look at you and go, "huh? You're confusing me!" But seriously, a great video. A fabulous explanation.
Agree that Group C / IMSA GTP was the pinnacle of endurance sports car racing. However, for second, I would have sad GT1 rather than LMP1. GT1 had the McLaren F1, Mercedes CLK, and the Porsche GT1.
As a longtime sports car racing fan who still remembers the cars of the original GTP/Group C era, I’m intrigued to see where these new cars will go and see how long they will last. If only the WEC could’ve picked a better name for their top class. Since they now only have one prototype and one GT class for the majority of the season, calling their classes Prototype and GT would be more accurate.
This was actually really smart of them. Still have two classes for two different series to run that fit their needs, yet at the same time, the teams and their cars should be able to go to races in WEC or IMSA as long as they're willing to make the changes to their car. This makes it so there's more opportunity for more cars at an event
@@FormulaJonah I come from the dirt racing world :p Where being in a different class for your "body type" lets call it, is simply an engine change lol Only difference between a super late model and a crate late model is the engine under the hood. Allows guys to upgrade easier, and change parts out for different events easier. Same for the sprint cars and modifieds
Thank you for the compliment @WEC-Edits ! Da Costa won’t be doing WEC in 2024 because Porsche want him to focus fully of the FIA Formula E championship. He hopes to return to the WEC Hypercar class in the future.
I think that both WEC and IMSA will eventually default to LMDh as standard parts will be favoured over bespoke parts (similar to F1, where more and more standard parts are being introduced).
Hi Jonah thanks for the video, btw do you know the rules about special invitation to 24 Hours of Le Mans? As you know, Acura ARX-06 is not entering WEC yet, is there any probability Acura get invited to Le Mans? What’s required for acura to get invited? Thankss
Could you explain one regulation that i found on, forgive me i kinda forgot, either LMH or GT3LM about noise regulation in 2025 season because i found it interesting. The reg maximum limit is 100 db from 15 m.
Shame Vanwall and particularly Glickenhaus who did relatively well at Le Mans (both cars finishing in the top 10 IIRC?) aren't sticking around but the new entrants are pretty exciting as well
That’s been around since the days of the American Le Mans Series. If you won the championship in a class that competed at Le Mans, you got an automatic invite to Le Mans.
There is another difference between hybrid LMH and LMDh cars: hybrid LMH cars can only deploy electric energy above a certain speed. This is done because hybrid LMH cars effectively become AWD cars whenever they deploy electric energy and having four driven wheels is an inherent advantage over having only two driven wheels. LMDh cars remain RWD at all times, so no such thresholds exist for them. The activation speed for hybrid LMH cars is determined by the BoP and the wheel sizes of the car.
They need to do away with the manufacturer production number rule in IMSA, bring in Glickenhaus and Vanwall. They would be more competitive in the states and the rule just makes no sense, essentially keeping out low budget privateer companies, because why? Are they afraid of them!
To what extent do people think that the LMDH cars will actually be able to challenge their LMH counterparts or will they always be hampered by the fact they aren’t running to the WEC rule set? My feeling is that ultimately the LMDH and LMH categories will eventually be balanced because having the like of Porsche or BMW walking away because they are not going anywhere in the category would be counterproductive I think we need to see an LMDH Car challenge, if not outright win, in the WEC. I know Porsche led a good chunk of the Fuji race but it always felt like Toyota were just biding their time.
So in my opinion which might be an unpopular one, they are very close to being equal especially the LMDh and hybrid LMH cars (non-hybrid LMH cars haven't had a real challenger and the Aston next year will be the first real opportunity to see how it goes). The problem with discussing the BoP between LMH and LMDh cars is Toyota, because Ferrari, Cadillac and Porsche atleast at Monza, Fuji and Bahrain were very close in pace. So the problem with Toyota is trying to understand why they are quicker than others, is it the BoP or is it them being more experienced and hence able to get more out of the car because all BoP does is balance the maximum potential pace of the cars so if Toyota are just getting more out of the car, you cant blame them or the BoP because every other team is just not as good. I don't think that LMDh cars are ever going to be made to be slower because that is just not good for the sport, series and manufacturers. The only time I can see BoP not completely being equal is with bad cars because BoP shouldn't be a way to build car and then get boosted up to be able to compete (Vanwall to be specific) because if that does happen what's the point of big teams spending so much on development when BoP will do all the leg work.
@@maxb148 The only reasonable take on Toyota's BoP I've seen haha. Toyota will get punished by BoP every single time and all I see is fans complaining about how BoP isn't working. Maybe Toyota is just doing a better job right now. People seem to want BoP to be a punishment system. "You won a race? Well f*ck you you're finishing dead last, we're gonna make GT cars faster then you, get outta here!" BoP is just meant to address minor imbalances, slightly adjusting each race to bring the field closer. It's not meant to artificially handicap a team. The fastest car should still be the fastest car after BoP. It should just not be quite as far ahead. If people actually looked at BoP each race, they'd notice they're making like 0.2% changes to the car. Yet they attribute a manfacturer becoming competitive to BoP, when BoP got them maybe 5 thousandths a lap.
Despite WEC having more variety, IMSA gave us a way better season. As you've said BoP is the main difference between those series and IMSA managed it successfully unlike WEC. Hence the last race decided the championship title and 4 different manufacturers were in that fight . On the other hand WEC created a huge failure. For first 3 races Ferrari and Toyota was significantly dominant while the rest cannot reach that level. In Le Mans BoP done successfully and it was the only race in season. Almost every single hypercar could have won and first a couple of hours showed us that. Then Ferrari got balanced and there is a good balance between Cadillac, Porsche and Ferrari despite Cadillac was struggling straight line speed. But Toyota was overwhelmingly dominant like another class. We saw that on Bahrain, they were the last at the start but in 1 hour they climbed to second position like other cars were nothing. I know Toyota has more experience on hypercar category (not endurance because that title belongs Porsche) but Ferrari was as fast as Toyota at the start. But i don't understand why they were the one at the end of the season since there isn't a thing about in season development. As a Cadillac fan I'm kind of upset about that. WEC has more potential than IMSA as the variety and they are ruining that potential unfortunately . But who knows maybe 2024 would be better. Or if not I hope IMSA will have more variety so it won't be a waste for this amazing category.
@@fayyadguissida IMSA has better safety car procedures which packs the grid remove the gap. So ever since a safety car releases, action will be resetting. And that makes IMSA quite fun. But WEC improved significantly better. They managed LMH - LMDh balance and now working on new BoP which will make things better. Hopefully once Lamborghini and Alpine discover their car in this year, things would be better on next year.
I kind of had a thought related to this. Depending on how the IMSA regs work for the number of cars manufactured, Peugeot may not be able to enter their car into IMSA as a Peugeot because they don't sell stuff in the US. What they could do instead is possibly rebadge the car as a Dodge since they are part of the same group as Peugeot (Stellantis). Would be a weird thought, though, that the supposedly all 'murican Dodge is awfully French in that situation.
Alpine is only racing in the WEC for now! Their A424 LMDh only competes in Hypercar unfortunately. Hopefully one day Alpine will come over to IMSA though!
I think they did a pretty good job, considering to my knowledge, the only difference between WEC and IMSA’s top categories, is the BOP (which it needs to be because it’s a different championship) and the 2,500 road car rule, which I think should be removed! But other then that they are the same categories and run the same regulations which is HUGE considering where top class endurance racing has pretty much had different regulations since the early 90s
and the lmdh cars that drive in the wec get the bop of the wec, the bop is dicided by the racecdirector there are not two racedirectors, it is not correct
Yes the LMH can race in GTP but you did not mention the BOP they have to use. If Ferrari and Toyota brought a their LMH to IMSA they would kill the GTP cars.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? The FIA has only two classes in the WEC now: Hypercar and GT3. The ruleset convergence with IMSA made it less costly and more appealing for manufacturers (hence why there are so many) and the sport becoming more popular.
Hyper cars look sleek. But extremely crippled in terms of weight and power limitations. Frankly not nearly as exciting to watch as the earlier LMP1 class.
Well I am gonna roleplay a lil bit : Super Mega Duper Ritch, Just rich separation here :P LMH - You are super rich manufacturer and you wanna and >will< go on whatever and whoever wanna compete with you and may the better spaceship disguised as car win. Also alternatively you can be just a Very Ritch Organization in general that wanna prove those pesky car manufacturers your personal is so much smarter than theirs, with your enormous amount of money you will manufacture a better pinnacle race car than they will (And b*tch please, with all those regulation F1 is masochism in comparison to LMH it would seem to me... now will the result of that chronic torture smoke LMH car`s time best out of 5 laps on any track that exist?... IDK I kind of wanna see that :P... But than again 53 laps races F1 versus 24 Le Man LMH... different machines). For Example I want Both Intel and AMD to Hit it off on the LMH track :P. There is 3rd Option, which I think those Isoto guys are "believers" in. You are neither regular car manufacturer, so no qualification for the ~lower LMDH class... nor you are super giga rich org, yet you believe somehow with 1 singular car and giga much "know how" (because what other reason could there be to even try to compete) you can actually overcome the omega monetary wealth with top world wide famous manufacturers and just the resources of other generic giga rich parties. Kind of the "yet I still know better" kind of attitude. LMHD... Well here be where the not Giga Resourceful brands can still hit it off under no torture ruleset. However they cannot build their own chassis but have to chose from 4 pre selected providers to do em for them. Which is both external common denominator and a limitation to how unlimited they can go on the entire car structure (even thou there are tons of physical those that no amount of money or insanity can overcome... or can it? LMH *wink*). That there is to the best I understood 1:1:1:1:1 Handed out/given gearbox... Ok you can do super giga mega "unlimited cars" to represent your brands, but with limited choices of chassis technology and identical to your opponents Gearbox... Have fun... Oh... Also... Hybrid is not optional and it`s only Real Wheel assistance rather than front wheel independent electro motors for less complicated/heavy gearbox with much more control 4x4. Starts sounding a bit like Formula 1... which how I understand it is "You can build whatever you want, but we give you the any possible specifications you can think of, of what you will build and than you build it "as you want it" ". That is why the LMH Hypercar is very appealing to me... sounds very "Unhinged" when coming out of incredibly resourceful manufacturers. So those will be the one to watch. Now it will be also interesting how some of the LMDH cars will place in comparison to those... because to the best I understand the LMH practically don`t care if non LMH cars compete in their races, because they cannot be more overbuild by intend of LMH itself... So Will LMDH BWM car with it`s external manufacturer chassis, regulated non designed/build by them gearbox... mandatory rear wheel placed Hybrid assistance ever place to What Ferrari wanted to build as the ultimate car for it`s purpose. It`s about to be seen.
WEC and IMSA don't rival F1. They trounce it like a child trying to play a professional sport. The on track action is WAY better in sportscar right now, and the relevant technologies that will eventually make their way to road cars are more abundant in Sportscar racing right now than F1 with their 2021 to current regulations they're racing under. The ONLY area where F1 out does sportscar right now is casual idiotic Drive To Survive 'fans' and charging thousands of dollars to attend an event. I just paid $75 for my ticket to the Rolex 24 and that gives me FULL GARAGE ACCESS along with a grandstand seat and regular infield access. It's not even close. only people jumping on a bandwagon because of a netflix series seriously think F1 is better than sportscar right now...
@@brianchapman8757 It's one thing to let people enjoy something, it's another to let them herd en masse and bullshit themselves into thinking they're getting the best of something when it's a ripoff. Which F1 completely is.
Holy schmit, can we stop with the frogging acronyms? I thought I was pretty savvy with Motorsport, but this is ridiculous segmentation just so rich people can make more money off of more races.
I'm more knowledgeable about this year's WEC and IMSA championships than any other year because of this channel. Thank you.
same, he explains things very clear
@@zilentzap2024 FIAWEC gonna be as unpredictable as 2021 F1 Season.
I think toyota, ferrari, porsche and Bmw will fight for the championship bit toyota will have the edge@@purwantiallan5089
I’m so happy to hear this @earmonahern! Really appreciate your support.
fr, this channel is goated
Thank you so much for clarifying that LMH story with IMSA because I also believed that IMSA prohibits LMH cars from racing. Tremendous video as always.
Of course, I’m very glad it was helpful! Really appreciate your support 👊
Yup. I thought that too. I learned something new here.
I started my Motorsports career in 1981 and saw every IMSA race held at Road America between 1981 and 2023. Those years between 1981 and 1993 were certainly the pinnacle of prototype racing. I am greatly encouraged by the field I saw at last year’s IMSA races. Lets hope that the momentum continues to build
Yeah, the jury is still out on whether this iteration is going to turn out as Golden. WEC seems to never get BOP right, with one team always running circles around everyone else
@@Posting-MaharashtraWEC is as intense as Super GT.
I really love these explainers. As someone who hasn’t followed endurance racing in about 12 years, so much has changed but so much is the same but with just some slight tweaks and new names.
2024 WEC could be decided till the final race with Alpine, Toyota, Ferrari, and Lamborghini i belive.
Director: Action!
Voiceover guy: They are the same cars with different BOP tweaks.
Director: Cut! That’s a wrap. Everyone have a good night. 😅
But seriously, you have great content. Thank you. 👍
4:43 there goes the Vanwall sending it through Spa. Love to see it.
I am fanatic fan of formula 1 for a lot of years,but because of boring dominance I will pause watching formula 1 for sometime,and I will start watching Wec again for different reasons.First because of you and your great explanations about rules,drivers,teams and many more,secondly because I missed wec since I stopped watching in 2016 after Audi left,yeah am also an Audi fanatic and third reason because WEC actually has competition and has become guite interesting.I know I said a lot but what I want to say in a few words is that one of the biggest reasons I will start watching again is because of your channel and the passion you put in your videos.Continue your greay work and I wish to all us World Endurance Championship Fans a great season
Same for me. In preparation of another season of dominance in F1, I've been familiarizing myself with F2, MotoGP, Indycar, and WEC. This channel has been tremendously helpful in providing the information I need for WEC.
F1 is not boring anymore
Bro come back
Just watched the 24h of le mans for rhe very first time. I watched 20/24h of the race. Just missed the last 2 hours of the night time SC and a bit here and there. What a beautiful race....
AMAZING! I learned everything about F1 from RUclips videos, but have been struggling to scrape together everything I have to know to start watching upper class endurance racing, you're saving me. Keep up the great work! 👊
Great to hear this! Means a lot to know that these videos are helpful. Thank you so much for watching!
Great Content as always👍 I consider you to be my #1 source of content of both Hypercar and GTP updates because I am well invested into these new classes since I first heard about them. Lets see how well it goes for the new season
This era is so exciting! As a longtime fan of sports car racing dating back to the IMSA World Sports Car era, and someone who has also been a fan of the original GTP (having seen a few GTP cars in person in a showcase at the 2020 Rolex 24 when I attended), I am thrilled with this new era on both the GTP and Hypercar side of the equation. I know a few people who have told stories about seeing either races in the Can Am or the original GTP back in the day and eagerly tell them of the new GTP and the Le Mans Hypercar classes because of how intriguing these cars are. Although, all the acronyms really do confuse people. Being someone, like yourself, who blogs and writes about sports car racing, on a daily basis, I wish I knew how I keep all the information together in my head, but I do. You try to explain all these categories to say, a Formula 1 fan and they look at you and go, "huh? You're confusing me!" But seriously, a great video. A fabulous explanation.
Absolutely love your videos. So much information yet so simple to understand. Thanks for your dedication!
The best endurance racing channel on RUclips!
It's a much better video rather than the comparison than the Explained of LMH and LMDh. A very benefitial video! ❤❤
I’m so excited for this era
It's going to be an exciting even playing field close racing this year and in IMSA to.👍🏽🏆
Nice video. Very informative. Keep up the good work.
Agree that Group C / IMSA GTP was the pinnacle of endurance sports car racing. However, for second, I would have sad GT1 rather than LMP1. GT1 had the McLaren F1, Mercedes CLK, and the Porsche GT1.
As a longtime sports car racing fan who still remembers the cars of the original GTP/Group C era, I’m intrigued to see where these new cars will go and see how long they will last. If only the WEC could’ve picked a better name for their top class. Since they now only have one prototype and one GT class for the majority of the season, calling their classes Prototype and GT would be more accurate.
I kinda like how Hyper CAR looks on the marking. The gigantic CAR amuses me.
Good job on the video.
This was actually really smart of them. Still have two classes for two different series to run that fit their needs, yet at the same time, the teams and their cars should be able to go to races in WEC or IMSA as long as they're willing to make the changes to their car. This makes it so there's more opportunity for more cars at an event
I agree with what you said!
@@FormulaJonah I come from the dirt racing world :p Where being in a different class for your "body type" lets call it, is simply an engine change lol Only difference between a super late model and a crate late model is the engine under the hood. Allows guys to upgrade easier, and change parts out for different events easier. Same for the sprint cars and modifieds
Hope for acura/honda in wec in 2025
Toyota vs Honda at le mans 🇯🇵🇫🇷🇯🇵 😍
That would be awesome!!
If that happened, this would be the greatest le mans era ever
If only the top brasses at Honda gave their teams the green light to do so.
Don't think Honda will be competitive with Toyota, even with their current package, and BoP
Great video I learned a lot
Very informative, thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video
Very beneficial. Thanks
Great Video! Do you know why Antonio Felix da Costa is not driving for Jota this year, and is he coming back next year (WEC) ?
He’s a Porsche factory driver and they told him to focus fully on Formula E
Porsche has him doing Formula E only this year 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Thank you for the compliment @WEC-Edits ! Da Costa won’t be doing WEC in 2024 because Porsche want him to focus fully of the FIA Formula E championship. He hopes to return to the WEC Hypercar class in the future.
Alright 👍 Thanks everyone
Porsche wants him fully focused on Formula E
Save to say that it's not working out
My thoughts are that the amount of manufacturers for this year and next adds so much interest that it wil rival F1 without a doubt
So cool that they compromised and figured this out. Can't wait to see the new cars at Road Atlanta this year as well as the Valkyrie next year.
Ready for 2024 Daytona24
4:37 does anyone know what circuit is this? The view is absolutely stunning. Other than that, awesome video as always 👍
Thats weathertech raceway Laguna Seca
I think that both WEC and IMSA will eventually default to LMDh as standard parts will be favoured over bespoke parts (similar to F1, where more and more standard parts are being introduced).
I am already hyped for 2024 24hrs Rolex Daytona Race! I hope the 963 gonna win the 24hrs at Daytona! Amin!
I wish that imsa would like the smaller lmh cars race in the lmp2 class. And BoP together. It would be a good place for them
Hi Jonah thanks for the video, btw do you know the rules about special invitation to 24 Hours of Le Mans?
As you know, Acura ARX-06 is not entering WEC yet, is there any probability Acura get invited to Le Mans? What’s required for acura to get invited? Thankss
Will you be one day explaining, the Hyper-Ultra-Mega class?
Could you explain one regulation that i found on, forgive me i kinda forgot, either LMH or GT3LM about noise regulation in 2025 season because i found it interesting. The reg maximum limit is 100 db from 15 m.
What’s the difference in speed/pace/HP between the LMH and GTP
Toyota deserves respect here. Not arguing either.😊
Is there a specific reason Toyota and Ferrari don't run IMSA? It seems like only the LMDh teams only go over to WEC and not the other way around.
Shame Vanwall and particularly Glickenhaus who did relatively well at Le Mans (both cars finishing in the top 10 IIRC?) aren't sticking around but the new entrants are pretty exciting as well
Why is there no hyper car series for regular races? Not just endurance?
Could you please do a video about the gtp imsa entries
wait so aston martin is in both LMH and LMDH class? so the track only Valkyrie AMR Pro will join LMH and non AMR pro will join LMDH? sorry new to WEC
Can someone explain how some of the IMSA entry got an invitation to Le Mans? And based of what i not yet find an article about this topic
That’s been around since the days of the American Le Mans Series. If you won the championship in a class that competed at Le Mans, you got an automatic invite to Le Mans.
@@FlashoftheBlades ah thank you for the information.
@@SPMinerva You’re welcome.
Nice
This is why Jonah is the goat
need a regulatory body to put regulations on how many sub categories and acronyms are allowed
it’d b cool👍 if bugatti, lamborghini, ferrari road hypercars (enzo, veneno, veyron, etc.) enter in GT endurance racing & b modified to LM classes
There is another difference between hybrid LMH and LMDh cars: hybrid LMH cars can only deploy electric energy above a certain speed. This is done because hybrid LMH cars effectively become AWD cars whenever they deploy electric energy and having four driven wheels is an inherent advantage over having only two driven wheels. LMDh cars remain RWD at all times, so no such thresholds exist for them.
The activation speed for hybrid LMH cars is determined by the BoP and the wheel sizes of the car.
if Hypercars have BoP rules from WEC and GTP have BoP rules from IMSA, how can them same tea m participate in both categories?
Number of cars I guess.
the Bop on Le Mans is not wec and imsa, it is the Aso that is the dicider of the bop
I'm surprised that Ferrari was allowed to race in IMSA. I didn't know they actually sold cars.
Is this a joke?
@@TJSaewd It is, based on their almost non existence in the wild and their "terms of service."
They need to do away with the manufacturer production number rule in IMSA, bring in Glickenhaus and Vanwall. They would be more competitive in the states and the rule just makes no sense, essentially keeping out low budget privateer companies, because why? Are they afraid of them!
Would love to see the ferrari in imsa
I wish imsa and wec would get more air time.
To what extent do people think that the LMDH cars will actually be able to challenge their LMH counterparts or will they always be hampered by the fact they aren’t running to the WEC rule set?
My feeling is that ultimately the LMDH and LMH categories will eventually be balanced because having the like of Porsche or BMW walking away because they are not going anywhere in the category would be counterproductive
I think we need to see an LMDH Car challenge, if not outright win, in the WEC. I know Porsche led a good chunk of the Fuji race but it always felt like Toyota were just biding their time.
So in my opinion which might be an unpopular one, they are very close to being equal especially the LMDh and hybrid LMH cars (non-hybrid LMH cars haven't had a real challenger and the Aston next year will be the first real opportunity to see how it goes). The problem with discussing the BoP between LMH and LMDh cars is Toyota, because Ferrari, Cadillac and Porsche atleast at Monza, Fuji and Bahrain were very close in pace. So the problem with Toyota is trying to understand why they are quicker than others, is it the BoP or is it them being more experienced and hence able to get more out of the car because all BoP does is balance the maximum potential pace of the cars so if Toyota are just getting more out of the car, you cant blame them or the BoP because every other team is just not as good.
I don't think that LMDh cars are ever going to be made to be slower because that is just not good for the sport, series and manufacturers. The only time I can see BoP not completely being equal is with bad cars because BoP shouldn't be a way to build car and then get boosted up to be able to compete (Vanwall to be specific) because if that does happen what's the point of big teams spending so much on development when BoP will do all the leg work.
@@maxb148 The only reasonable take on Toyota's BoP I've seen haha. Toyota will get punished by BoP every single time and all I see is fans complaining about how BoP isn't working. Maybe Toyota is just doing a better job right now. People seem to want BoP to be a punishment system. "You won a race? Well f*ck you you're finishing dead last, we're gonna make GT cars faster then you, get outta here!" BoP is just meant to address minor imbalances, slightly adjusting each race to bring the field closer. It's not meant to artificially handicap a team. The fastest car should still be the fastest car after BoP. It should just not be quite as far ahead. If people actually looked at BoP each race, they'd notice they're making like 0.2% changes to the car. Yet they attribute a manfacturer becoming competitive to BoP, when BoP got them maybe 5 thousandths a lap.
Why doesn’t Acura participate in wec?
Despite WEC having more variety, IMSA gave us a way better season. As you've said BoP is the main difference between those series and IMSA managed it successfully unlike WEC. Hence the last race decided the championship title and 4 different manufacturers were in that fight .
On the other hand WEC created a huge failure. For first 3 races Ferrari and Toyota was significantly dominant while the rest cannot reach that level. In Le Mans BoP done successfully and it was the only race in season. Almost every single hypercar could have won and first a couple of hours showed us that. Then Ferrari got balanced and there is a good balance between Cadillac, Porsche and Ferrari despite Cadillac was struggling straight line speed. But Toyota was overwhelmingly dominant like another class. We saw that on Bahrain, they were the last at the start but in 1 hour they climbed to second position like other cars were nothing. I know Toyota has more experience on hypercar category (not endurance because that title belongs Porsche) but Ferrari was as fast as Toyota at the start. But i don't understand why they were the one at the end of the season since there isn't a thing about in season development. As a Cadillac fan I'm kind of upset about that. WEC has more potential than IMSA as the variety and they are ruining that potential unfortunately .
But who knows maybe 2024 would be better. Or if not I hope IMSA will have more variety so it won't be a waste for this amazing category.
For now 2024 is definitely better, 4 differents winner in hypercar 🔥.
Although in IMSA is still better, at least we have different winners.
@@fayyadguissida IMSA has better safety car procedures which packs the grid remove the gap. So ever since a safety car releases, action will be resetting. And that makes IMSA quite fun. But WEC improved significantly better. They managed LMH - LMDh balance and now working on new BoP which will make things better. Hopefully once Lamborghini and Alpine discover their car in this year, things would be better on next year.
GTPs are basically LMP2 with more freedom and brand identity.
Formula Jonah when do you think we will get dodge
I kind of had a thought related to this. Depending on how the IMSA regs work for the number of cars manufactured, Peugeot may not be able to enter their car into IMSA as a Peugeot because they don't sell stuff in the US. What they could do instead is possibly rebadge the car as a Dodge since they are part of the same group as Peugeot (Stellantis).
Would be a weird thought, though, that the supposedly all 'murican Dodge is awfully French in that situation.
Hypercar - WEC ; GTP - IMSA
same, but different, but same
In IMSA you missed Alpine i think
Alpine is only racing in the WEC for now! Their A424 LMDh only competes in Hypercar unfortunately. Hopefully one day Alpine will come over to IMSA though!
You didn't actually talk about the difference in bop regulations at all
That will have to be for another video where I talk specifically about the Balance of Performance 😉
@@FormulaJonah that'd be really good to see. That's what I clicked on the video to find out.
IMSA officials really screwed up, they should have adopted the exact same rules as WEC.
I think they did a pretty good job, considering to my knowledge, the only difference between WEC and IMSA’s top categories, is the BOP (which it needs to be because it’s a different championship) and the 2,500 road car rule, which I think should be removed! But other then that they are the same categories and run the same regulations which is HUGE considering where top class endurance racing has pretty much had different regulations since the early 90s
and the lmdh cars that drive in the wec get the bop of the wec, the bop is dicided by the racecdirector there are not two racedirectors, it is not correct
Yes the LMH can race in GTP but you did not mention the BOP they have to use. If Ferrari and Toyota brought a their LMH to IMSA they would kill the GTP cars.
I did mention at 2:00 though that the two categories use separate BOP. So if Toyota and Ferrari went to GTP, they would be under the IMSA BOP system.
My head hurts now…
Cremin Rapid
Too many acronyms and classes... FIA needs to reduce the segmentation to make car racing more popular and less costly...
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? The FIA has only two classes in the WEC now: Hypercar and GT3. The ruleset convergence with IMSA made it less costly and more appealing for manufacturers (hence why there are so many) and the sport becoming more popular.
Hyper cars look sleek. But extremely crippled in terms of weight and power limitations. Frankly not nearly as exciting to watch as the earlier LMP1 class.
Yep...Got It.....clear as mud! ....Lol!
Well I am gonna roleplay a lil bit : Super Mega Duper Ritch, Just rich separation here :P
LMH - You are super rich manufacturer and you wanna and >will< go on whatever and whoever wanna compete with you and may the better spaceship disguised as car win. Also alternatively you can be just a Very Ritch Organization in general that wanna prove those pesky car manufacturers your personal is so much smarter than theirs, with your enormous amount of money you will manufacture a better pinnacle race car than they will (And b*tch please, with all those regulation F1 is masochism in comparison to LMH it would seem to me... now will the result of that chronic torture smoke LMH car`s time best out of 5 laps on any track that exist?... IDK I kind of wanna see that :P... But than again 53 laps races F1 versus 24 Le Man LMH... different machines). For Example I want Both Intel and AMD to Hit it off on the LMH track :P. There is 3rd Option, which I think those Isoto guys are "believers" in. You are neither regular car manufacturer, so no qualification for the ~lower LMDH class... nor you are super giga rich org, yet you believe somehow with 1 singular car and giga much "know how" (because what other reason could there be to even try to compete) you can actually overcome the omega monetary wealth with top world wide famous manufacturers and just the resources of other generic giga rich parties. Kind of the "yet I still know better" kind of attitude.
LMHD... Well here be where the not Giga Resourceful brands can still hit it off under no torture ruleset. However they cannot build their own chassis but have to chose from 4 pre selected providers to do em for them. Which is both external common denominator and a limitation to how unlimited they can go on the entire car structure (even thou there are tons of physical those that no amount of money or insanity can overcome... or can it? LMH *wink*). That there is to the best I understood 1:1:1:1:1 Handed out/given gearbox... Ok you can do super giga mega "unlimited cars" to represent your brands, but with limited choices of chassis technology and identical to your opponents Gearbox... Have fun... Oh... Also... Hybrid is not optional and it`s only Real Wheel assistance rather than front wheel independent electro motors for less complicated/heavy gearbox with much more control 4x4. Starts sounding a bit like Formula 1... which how I understand it is "You can build whatever you want, but we give you the any possible specifications you can think of, of what you will build and than you build it "as you want it" ".
That is why the LMH Hypercar is very appealing to me... sounds very "Unhinged" when coming out of incredibly resourceful manufacturers. So those will be the one to watch. Now it will be also interesting how some of the LMDH cars will place in comparison to those... because to the best I understand the LMH practically don`t care if non LMH cars compete in their races, because they cannot be more overbuild by intend of LMH itself... So Will LMDH BWM car with it`s external manufacturer chassis, regulated non designed/build by them gearbox... mandatory rear wheel placed Hybrid assistance ever place to What Ferrari wanted to build as the ultimate car for it`s purpose. It`s about to be seen.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
WEC and IMSA don't rival F1. They trounce it like a child trying to play a professional sport. The on track action is WAY better in sportscar right now, and the relevant technologies that will eventually make their way to road cars are more abundant in Sportscar racing right now than F1 with their 2021 to current regulations they're racing under. The ONLY area where F1 out does sportscar right now is casual idiotic Drive To Survive 'fans' and charging thousands of dollars to attend an event. I just paid $75 for my ticket to the Rolex 24 and that gives me FULL GARAGE ACCESS along with a grandstand seat and regular infield access. It's not even close. only people jumping on a bandwagon because of a netflix series seriously think F1 is better than sportscar right now...
It's ok to let people enjoy things.
@@brianchapman8757 It's one thing to let people enjoy something, it's another to let them herd en masse and bullshit themselves into thinking they're getting the best of something when it's a ripoff. Which F1 completely is.
LMP900 was as much of a succes as Group C to me, LMP1 not so much.
Holy schmit, can we stop with the frogging acronyms? I thought I was pretty savvy with Motorsport, but this is ridiculous segmentation just so rich people can make more money off of more races.
why are your videos so repeatative? you talk about the same shit over and over again...