Same here. Journey's been its own cover band for years now. Show me another band that goes out and find sound-alikes for their former lead singer. People think they're going to get me excited about Journey coming in concert. I don't care. It's not the Journey I love.
True but let’s not pretend that it was all by choice. Steve lost that magic voice decades ago. He’s been riding on [well-earned] nostalgia since the 90s.
It’s amazing to me that adult men who are given the extreme PRIVILEGE of performing music for a living can’t keep their egos in check. They are living the dream of millions of musicians who would do almost anything to be making their living on stage. You’d especially think a legacy band like Journey would just be incredibly grateful to still have enough popularity to get to tour for a living. This kind of squabbling is immature, ungrateful, and unprofessional.
Steve Perry was the smart one! He had the best lawyer around and he still holds position to his song writing rights. Ross and Smitty were lucky that they're no longer in the band, as well. My heart goes out to Arnel, he is the real innocent in this whole thing.
I've been around him a few times, once as part of the crew. Nobody was allowed to talk to him. We were nothing but servants and now former fans. He was a complete asshole to everyone. It was all about him and his wife.
@@CarynCaresalotI went to Oakton High School in VA with his wife, who was then called Missy Holt. She was much nicer then, and looked quite different.
I have a close friend who is a great professional musician, the biggest Neal fan. He was in a large Journey tribute band for years celebrating Neal. He has been handed countless cease and desists from Neals' lawyer for decades. Neal personally strikes his RUclips channels too.. It all started when my friend met Neal and told him that he was his biggest fan, and tried to play like him in the very successful Journey Tribute. Neal sneered at him coldly and has been on Neal's radar EVER SINCE, doind whatever he can to bring him down.. Shocking
Agreed! Ironic, isn't it, that Neil discovered Arnel on RUclips, the very medium he strikes your friend. It speaks volumes about Neil's character, doesn't it?
@@buddfoxx5955 respect. My buddy still plays in that band periodically. This last memorial Day marked like the 28th year in a row that this very successful Journey tribute band went on a USO tour through the Middle East entertaining the troops. This year, they literally had Uriah Duffy (current bass player for Whitesnake), and the current drummer from Y&T (forgot his name). So it is almost like a super group
@@seanmurphy26 Props to your buddy. It sounds like a great lineup. He has some great players and great players like your buddy attract great players. From Wayne in Canada, I wish him and his bandmates continued success.
@@seanmurphy26 I played drums in a local bar band. A hobby. Not touring. Not recording an album. Playing true dives for a few bucks a gig and our love for music….. We got a ‘Cease and desist’ order from Jimmy Buffet’s lawyer (s) for playing ‘Margaritaville’ Fu#$$& A holes. . We were really a threat to his bottom line playing for 10 to 30 people. Or on some days crickets was our audience. Still can’t figure out how in the hell they found us..Social media nor the internet existed yet..l
Actually Neal is a Prima Donna Narcissist. Sad but true. Ask any one around him last few years ... Arnel get the hell outta there bro. You deserve so much better. Get out early. Holy shit Batman. WTF?
I bet Steve’s only concern is getting his contractually agreed to residuals from the band when he left, but I’m sure he’s breathing a big sigh of relief he left long before this implosion (and others we didn’t hear of). I finally get why in the VH1 doc he said he never felt like he was truly part of the band- thought it was an odd statement at the time, makes total sense now.
If I'm spending a few hundred bucks a night and my partner is spending $10,000, I'm not going to be a happy camper either. I'm with Jonathon Cain on this one. You would think this would be a pretty easy thing to fix??
Neal has always been the problem. His expensive tastes in cars and other toys, coupled with his flakey Housewives star wife, only exacerbated an issue that has been welll known for a very long time.
@@markc4050Paula White is a grifter. I don’t interpret her conduct as Christian. Have you seen her speaking tongues shtick? And the there was her weird rant: “And strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike ….”
I am so glad I got the opportunity to see them at the Richfield Coliseum near Cleveland Ohio in 1985-1986,right before Steve left the band,I have never been to a concert that sounded so true and just about better that the studio albums,Amazing Show
I've been around Neal a few times, once as part of the crew. Nobody was allowed to talk to him. We were nothing but servants and now former fans. He was a complete asshole to everyone. It was all about him and his wife.
Time to retire the Journey name and band. Journey is no longer Journey after Steve Perry's departure. Neil should just move on and continue with "Journey Through Time" with Gregg Rolie.
Steve Lukather of Toto was supporting Journey on a recent tour and said they were traveling via private jet, but Toto was traveling via the much less expensive tour bus. Lukather said he will also always take up Ringo on his All Starr Band tour because it's fun, and that band travels via private jet. Very few music acts can afford to travel via private jet.
51 year “JOURNEY” fan! It’s time to RETIRE the band. The last couple weeks videos in the USA 🇺🇸 tour are all the “Michaele Salahi Schon” show on steroids! I’m sick of the constant infighting and will put my $$ toward STEVE PERRY as he’s hinted at getting onstage again.
I'm a big steve perry fan but we are holding onto memories of his greatness from over 30 years ago. The man is 75 now. I don't think he wants to compete with his young greatness.
If you listened to Steve's last solo LP, you'd hear that his range has dropped about an octave and a half, since his time in Journey. Unless he's planning on using some fancy pitched-up note-matching autotune effects while he sings, there's simply no way he can ever sing the hits of Journey again. It's time to let go of this fantasy some of us have for a triumphant Perry return.
@@mattwuxx3888I don't want to argue on that , but don't you think that an octave and a half is a lot? A step and a half is pretty low too, I heard him sing from some video online dated from about 2 years ago, and he is not even a step down. I am not saying he can hit all the notes he was hitting 30 years ago, but an octave and a half is a lot, take your piano, guitar or bass play a note, and go an octave and a half lower, and you will hear a huge difference.
I remember years ago hearing that Schon didn't like the way Perry was picking the songs saying they were too soft while the band was packing the venues and selling tons of albums while getting rich. Schon has always wanted to just be a heavy metal guitarist, which he wasn't. I'm pretty sure that is a big part of why Steve Perry left the band.
Neal is and should be the owner of the band Journey, if it wasn’t for Steve Perry Journey would not be where they are today. Steve is completely out of this drama but one good thing is Steve is still receiving his pay 💰!!!
sorry but journey never broke into superstardom until there ESCAPE ABLUM (where cain joined the band). so you might say. BIG DEAL, so he joined the band and played some keyboards. well, he may be the chief songwriter behind journey's biggest hits. it seemed to me more than half their biggest hits had keyboards as major part of the song (faithfully, don't stop believin, who's cryin now, etc). now, if cain didn't write any of the music, then I would agree with you. but I think he probably did. he wasn't the last one to put his mark on the song (a song that was mostly complete except for the keyboards). I think he was often the first. but I love schon. I am a guitar player. and there is no doubt he is a great songwriter to. but he's rock n roll. perry and cain where more of the POP rock type. very different. and I would say the pop rock focus is what pushed them to the top and kept them there.
@@wasatchm I agree J. C. is a collaborator writing some of Journey’s Biggest Hits. But back then they all had each other’s 6 now it’s every man for himself, just look how they pushed Steve out of the Band. But Steve was one step ahead head of all them. Steve still gets paid and doesn’t have to worry about killing his vocal cords. All in all Steve was the smartest of them all. Since Steve left Journey hasn’t been the same and never had a Hit song. So J.C. may still be writing the songs but they aren’t going anywhere because they don’t have the Voice to sing them.
Of course Schon says it isn't true. Yet, he basically admitted it to the person who asked about it, saying he pays for it. Yes, Neal, but from WHAT account?
Neal is obviously jealous of the fame always going to Steve Perry for giving Journey the million dollar voice and Jonathan Cain for writing the million dollar hits. That's gotta hurt Neal's fragile mind. Even Arnel helped them out being a great vocalist for the band, but he's being treated like shit. Arnel should get out and start his own band or find another great band to lend his voice to. 🤷♂️
This would explain why he sold his main stratocaster he used on the Infinity album . And almost every other iconic guitar he used on Escape and Frontiers .
I'm sure Jon has a financial analyst on speed dial and has been tolerant of Neal's spending as long as it was covered by the revenue churn of the tour, after tour costs and Jon's cut. My bet is Neal is spending in excess of that...
Journey is Awesome.I watch them on You Tube everyday.The Gregg Rollie days the Jonathan Cain days.I love Neal but Journey was done to me without Steve Perry.Period.❤I hate Karaoke 😂😂
Let me hear you sing, Steve Perry is awesome but to call the current lead singer “karaoke” is a huge disrespect to Arnel, grow up man child and give credit where credit is due🤪
Sounds like we should all pitch in & buy Neal a session in the Dave Ramsey financial institute….it starts with a $1K emergency fund…2/3’s of his nightly hotel budget. 🙄 One of my best friends was an original member of Kansas, when they discovered that the limos & catered food came out of their nightly income, it was rental cars & Chick-fil-A from then on! 👍🤣
I’m a huge Journey fan and have been for decades. I’ve always respected and appreciated the incredible talent in the band. But Neal’s reputation has preceded him for as long as I can remember. Some people just have a tough time handling fame. At this point in time, it shouldn’t affect my opinion of him or the band. But sadly, it kinda does. Like Don Henley and so many others, there comes a point when you have to stop and ask yourself, how much more money or notoriety do I really need? They shouldn’t have anything more to prove. Just enjoy your success and your place in music history. Chill the hell out and be a decent person. But I guess that’s too much to ask from him.
I really hope it's true that every single time one of the songs Perry co-wrote is used live, he gets a cut. Dunno if that's true but hope so. It's more than fair as a cowriter and it was Perry's magic that rolled in the millions. He left and took the light with him. Can't believe these guys are in their 60s, 70s or whatever and spend their time bickering. (And Schon's face wtf he looks like an alien - just sayin' Perry is natural and still a handsome guy. He's well out of the mess).
I saw Def Lep & Journey back in 2018. Even then, you had guys like Arnel, Ross & Steve Smith working to put on a cool show...and I suppose Neil & Jonathan Cain were too...but there was a real kind of chilly vibe compared to Def Lep. Reminded me of seeing Van Halen in 04. You could just feel like guys were just up there trying to get things done, and at odds...
What if Cain, Castronovo, Vallory, and Steve Perry got back together, teamed up with a great guitarist (who wasn't Neil Schon), and attempted to form a new band with a Journey-Esque sort of feel, with different songs. Not re-performing the old orig. stuff, but new stuff. Just breaking off from Journey altogether, to find a more cohesive sound, built with a familiar sort of brotherhood, and mutual respect towards each other? Anyone out there remember when some of the band member of Boston, went in together & created the band RTZ (Return to Zero CD)? Yes I know it was 1 album (I think, it was 1 that was put out anyway). Even though it didn't work out long term, it was still pretty awesome to listen to, I still have the cd somewhere. Over the years, it seems that the common problem has been Neil Schon, so maybe take him out of the equation, go back to basics. Hell maybe if not Cain or Castronovo, then what about Dunbar or Rolie? I've always thought it would be so freaking cool, to have the best of the best form a band, make new albums, & see how it would sound with a little bit of everything. Yes, I'm a Gen X'r, and YES, I MISS the original music. But maybe if they were to form something new, by putting egos and bygones aside, I would be so intrigued on what that would sound like. Just my 2 cents & thoughts. Thanks for the vid
Retirement is a great option. I grew up a massive fan of journey. I’m still a fan of journeys music prayer to 2000. But at this point, I will literally would not go to a concert of theirs if I got free front row tickets and VIP treatment. It’s a karaoke band and has become a shit show.
From a big Journey fan (Arnel era included)... Def Leppard's the easy winner on that tour. Your in for a treat with them. One of the best held up bands from the 80s which is crazy considering the amount of substance abuse there. Also some of the genuinely nicest guys to work around or interact with, but thats a story for a different day
As a Journey fan (Arenel era included)... Def Leppard's the shining part of that tour man. They are easily the best 80s band holding up today sound and stability wise. Like you'd think boos and drugs would have destroyed them. But they are strong as ever! You may have a shot with Journey being good or not depending on the night and how pissed they are at each other. Def Leppard will make up for it all I promise you that much
@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful you're right. I saw Journey in St Louis, the first stop on the tour. Johnathan Cain looked angry, not his happy self. And that was the first stop on the tour. Hopefully they make it all the way
They are gonna finish the stadium tour but have already canceled their fall UK tour. I think its the end after the stadium tour. There is only about 12-15 shows left
When I pro musicianed in Los Angeles in the late 80s I ran into Neil with John Waite and Jonathan Cain. that was the beginning of the bad English days. I told my guitar player as we walked away, Neil is an ass. My buddy said why don’t you go back and kick his ass? I said yeah that would turn out well for me…. speaking of lawsuits.
Glad to hear it! Neal used him to promote sales, and short talks with Rollie coming back to Journey in Austin during the Anniversary tour! Then left town and Rollie!
Love Neal's playing he is an amazing guitar player hands down. That said he does seem to be the one who posts New Cars, Guitars and various other spending. That is not a crime to do but when you are locked in a you spend too much money case maybe tone it down!
And to think, prior to this latest development, you actually had people backing schon over cain basically because of his faith and his wife's connection to trump. Not even bothering to examine the facts of the matter. If this doesnt clearly give you a picture of who's the one bottling it over in Journey, nothing will.
Well, I can tell you that cancelling a UK and Ireland tour isn't going to do a lot for their reputation. Seems they managed to do the dates the other side of the Atlantic. Thanks Journey.
Find out. Do another VID on what Neal is actually doing with the money. This is insane. There's always ONE person that's gonna F up a good thing. Crazy !!
It is interesting this past week. Journey canceled their UK, European tour with no information being released to why. Could it be because this internal strife is true, or is it some other factors. It is sad because Cain and Schon have had a great friendship and musical career, and it is getting torn apart. They need group therapy.
And these are the two guys used to give Steve hell about having his own limo or tour bus and these are the same two saying about Steve that Elvis has left the building, well now the whole world knows why Steve didn't want to be around these two BEOTCH's while on tour !!!! They have really destroyed the name Journey.
You are looking at people who haven’t lived like most of us do. Old spoiled brats who need to retire. Journey is a has been band. It’s time boys; just call it quits. If Aerosmith can do it, so can you.
I'm surprised they're not arguing over Bad English royalties too, the band did sell quite a lot of copies of the first album (did they do any more??). Maybe that's a whole other lawsuit.
@@BBaldwin Probably not. The royalties have likely dried up, though at this stage I wouldn't put it past those two to fight about the album (Schon and Cain) since they're involved with its creation & they're currently in a litigious mood.
Neal Schon,Greg Rollie and Ross Valory started journey They were not a profitable group at all and the manager knew that they needed something That something was Steve Perry. When he came into this band, he took them on a ride that they never anticipated The Journey group today still plays those old songs in the same key because Neal Schon doesn’t believe in changing the key of a tune it doesn’t matter if the singer is 20 or 70 you don’t change the tune of the songs When Steve Perry was with the group, he mostly did the lyrics at the beginning, so did Greg Raleigh they both did composure together Neil Sean always came up with his guitar solos Years later here we are now So Neil Sean’s attorney likes to say there’s no problem Yes, there is not paying your road crew spending money on a band credit card for a 10,000 a night hotel room that is ridiculous Does Neil have dementia? Does he believe he is back in the early 80s making all kinds of money or is it this wife Michaela? She likes her money a lot. As you can tell over the years, this has becoming tiresome, I think the band journey should retire, and let them ride off into the sunset 😂
Based on the court filings, it's clear what is happening here. It seems as though Schon, as Cain alleges, is spending Journey's operating funds (not his own money) recklessly, such that some of Journey's financial obligations cannot be met (i.e., payroll). If that is true, then Journey, like other corporations, is on the verge of bankruptcy. When the monthly operating expenses exceed the monthly revenue, the company runs at a deficit, resulting in the reduction of the cash reserves. If this is true, Schon, as an owner of the company, should try to cut his own salary/expenses so that the company's financial obligations can be met. I've seen this happen to major companies, and the result is bankruptcy or dissolution. This should never have happened to Journey as they have been on the road (excluding the pandemic year) continuously since 2007. Also, they have residuals from the streaming of their catalog. This is simply unfathomable.
If it's Schon's own money paying for his things then there is no issue. If the band has a structured system and an account that the money comes from then there is a big issue.
I think it’s to the point where Neal Schon may be mentally ill. Jonathan should work out an agreement with Schon where they split up and both tour separately. You know, Neal Schon’s Journey and Jonathan Cain’s Journey. If that happens, Neal would be broke in a month. Then, it’ll be back to o e Journey again.
Neil has to Much of an ego. When they played Vegas with an orchestra Neil had to have all the solo and intro. It was waste to have an orchestra. Month after I saw The Whi with an orchestra and Pete let the violinist have a couple of solo, take the spotlight and the orchestra do a few intro to songs.
You can look at Neal’s plastic face and know where his heart is. Plus he couldn’t write a hit song if his life depended on it. He isn’t a singer either. He’s a great guitarist and that’s it. They should have kept perry and bounced Neal imo.
This crap is old now. I won’t be wasting another dollar on them. Arnel should quit. Neil is a full blown ego maniac. For either of them to say, it affects the Journey legacy, is nonsense. We only know about the drama because they both air it publicly.
MONEY THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL FINDS A WAY TO DESTROY EVEN THE BIGGEST OF ALL GIANTS IN ANY BUSINESS, SAD JOURNEY CANT GET THERE ACT TOGETHER AFTER 40 YEARS
Yeah it's sad I admire both Jonathon & Neal for their great talents & accomplishment, the great & even phenomenal songs they created with band members over the decades since Escape. I have 20-30 or more Journey songs for a Favorite songs but My favorite All time is one of their least known & wasn't on any of their albums unless it was on a later collection or greatest hits. I hope would be the motto of the band & even their next album title...ONLY SOLUTIONS, that was on the Tron 1982 Soundtrack. I pray God intervene & help them to work this all out to Only find Solutions & admit where they've been at fault...the fans and music are more important than these internal feuds being made public
This is soon to be the _Separate Ways_ tour.
Well done
And then departure.
They should've called it quits about 8 yrs ago. Exit stage Left.. Leaving the Arena "Heads Up High with Dignity & Pride in tact"
When Steve Perry left, so did my interest in Journey.
That’s the way I felt about the original keyboard guy. He was the voice of the band to me.
Gregg Rollie
Agreed. I have seen SP, steve augeri and Arnell. All incredible but without SP, just a tribute
Me too! Steve Perry could never be replaced!
Same here. Journey's been its own cover band for years now. Show me another band that goes out and find sound-alikes for their former lead singer. People think they're going to get me excited about Journey coming in concert. I don't care. It's not the Journey I love.
And Steve Perry be sitting at home racking it in .....brilliant move by Perry
I was thinking the same thing. Sitting back and watching it, laughing.
@@theronhayden4671 maybe they can cover For the love of strange medicine or street talk.
@@hippiechick2112 I thought the same thought tambien.
True but let’s not pretend that it was all by choice. Steve lost that magic voice decades ago. He’s been riding on [well-earned] nostalgia since the 90s.
@@theronhayden4671 he has a really good lawyer
If it’s so bad then shut it down! It really hasn’t been
Journey without Perry Vallory and Smith.
Totally agree, if they r losing crew how to they get their stage together, they just need to stop, the original smade it
@@bonniemcfarland2448 Steve Perry and Steve Smith were not originals.
True, should have said their names, they were my 😍 favorite
I am sure that Perry, Valory, and Smith are happy to no longer be in the band.
@@synthonaplinth5980True. Robert Fleischman was actually Journeys first frontman. Prairie Prince not Aynsley Dunbar was the original drummer.
Now we know what Steve meant in the VH1 documentary when he said "I never felt like I was truly part of the band."
Yes and Steve was not an original member. Keyboardist Gregg Rolie did the vocals on the first three albums.
Exactamundo.
@@jeffreyconner2937"To Play Some Music" and "Mystery Mountain" hit pretty hard. I can't forget about "I'm Going To Leave You".
@@jeffreyconner2937. Yet, Steve is the reason they made it big and that most people know who they are!
@@dave9497 yeah and Neal Schon getting pissed about oh sherrie. The one who got away.
This band has more drama than General Hospital
@@speed6725 minus Rick Springfield aka Dr. Noah Drake.
@@lenaaustin6692 lol and let me guess… John Stamos as Blackie Parrish lol
Soy boy Neil is all the drama and has been since the beginning
@@speed6725 Lol yes. 😆
🤣🤣🤣
It’s amazing to me that adult men who are given the extreme PRIVILEGE of performing music for a living can’t keep their egos in check. They are living the dream of millions of musicians who would do almost anything to be making their living on stage. You’d especially think a legacy band like Journey would just be incredibly grateful to still have enough popularity to get to tour for a living. This kind of squabbling is immature, ungrateful, and unprofessional.
“ cough “ Van Halen
Steve Perry was the smart one! He had the best lawyer around and he still holds position to his song writing rights. Ross and Smitty were lucky that they're no longer in the band, as well. My heart goes out to Arnel, he is the real innocent in this whole thing.
Neal has always done what he wanted to do regardless of anyone else. He is a great guitar player but not a very nice person. Very selfish.
Good call, ANYBODY In the know, knows he is a nightmare..
I've been around him a few times, once as part of the crew. Nobody was allowed to talk to him. We were nothing but servants and now former fans. He was a complete asshole to everyone. It was all about him and his wife.
it was selfish of Cain to throw his political opinion around
@@CarynCaresalotI went to Oakton High School in VA with his wife, who was then called Missy Holt. She was much nicer then, and looked quite different.
@@CarynCaresalot I know Steve use to hang out a little with the crew as he knew their importance
I have a close friend who is a great professional musician, the biggest Neal fan. He was in a large Journey tribute band for years celebrating Neal. He has been handed countless cease and desists from Neals' lawyer for decades. Neal personally strikes his RUclips channels too.. It all started when my friend met Neal and told him that he was his biggest fan, and tried to play like him in the very successful Journey Tribute. Neal sneered at him coldly and has been on Neal's radar EVER SINCE, doind whatever he can to bring him down.. Shocking
Agreed! Ironic, isn't it, that Neil discovered Arnel on RUclips, the very medium he strikes your friend. It speaks volumes about Neil's character, doesn't it?
@@buddfoxx5955 respect. My buddy still plays in that band periodically. This last memorial Day marked like the 28th year in a row that this very successful Journey tribute band went on a USO tour through the Middle East entertaining the troops. This year, they literally had Uriah Duffy (current bass player for Whitesnake), and the current drummer from Y&T (forgot his name). So it is almost like a super group
@@seanmurphy26 Props to your buddy. It sounds like a great lineup. He has some great players and great players like your buddy attract great players. From Wayne in Canada, I wish him and his bandmates continued success.
Never meet your heroes. Better yet, don’t have heroes. Be your own hero.
@@seanmurphy26 I played drums in a local bar band. A hobby. Not touring. Not recording an album. Playing true dives for a few bucks a gig and our love for music….. We got a ‘Cease and desist’ order from Jimmy Buffet’s lawyer (s) for playing ‘Margaritaville’ Fu#$$& A holes. . We were really a threat to his bottom line playing for 10 to 30 people. Or on some days crickets was our audience. Still can’t figure out how in the hell they found us..Social media nor the internet existed yet..l
Actually Neal is a Prima Donna Narcissist. Sad but true. Ask any one around him last few years ... Arnel get the hell outta there bro. You deserve so much better. Get out early. Holy shit Batman. WTF?
the question is, can arnel write? if not, he'd probably make more mony sticking with journey.
@@wasatchm Arnel is a multi millionare and does NOT need Journey.
You were The first person to call it! Neil is absolutely a narcissist and the cause of all the problems of journey!
And with all this touring, I'm surprised that Arnel still has a voice!
Classic Journey 4ever!
@@seanmurphy26 Cain isn't a complete innocent either.
I bet Steve’s only concern is getting his contractually agreed to residuals from the band when he left, but I’m sure he’s breathing a big sigh of relief he left long before this implosion (and others we didn’t hear of). I finally get why in the VH1 doc he said he never felt like he was truly part of the band- thought it was an odd statement at the time, makes total sense now.
If I'm spending a few hundred bucks a night and my partner is spending $10,000, I'm not going to be a happy camper either. I'm with Jonathon Cain on this one. You would think this would be a pretty easy thing to fix??
Neal has always been the problem. His expensive tastes in cars and other toys, coupled with his flakey Housewives star wife, only exacerbated an issue that has been welll known for a very long time.
An age-old problem with partnerships professionally and personally, and they virtually all end up badly.
@@BBaldwin Let's not forget Cain is married to a Christian pastor who asked her followers to tithe a day...a week....a months pay to her ministry.
@@markc4050Paula White is a grifter. I don’t interpret her conduct as Christian. Have you seen her speaking tongues shtick? And the there was her weird rant: “And strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike ….”
The core issue is that they never should have formed a 50/50 LLC without having a neutral 3rd party to resolve disputes.
I am so glad I got the opportunity to see them at the Richfield Coliseum near Cleveland Ohio in 1985-1986,right before Steve left the band,I have never been to a concert that sounded so true and just about better that the studio albums,Amazing Show
@@Hoglife if only I was able to see him .
@@kathydigi3537 it was amazing
Journey is not Journey without Steve Perry. Period.
I've been around Neal a few times, once as part of the crew. Nobody was allowed to talk to him. We were nothing but servants and now former fans. He was a complete asshole to everyone. It was all about him and his wife.
@@CarynCaresalot I'd not be able to talk to Neal because by back would hurt from leaning down to his height.
Time to retire the Journey name and band. Journey is no longer Journey after Steve Perry's departure. Neil should just move on and continue with "Journey Through Time" with Gregg Rolie.
You say that but it’s been Journey without Steve Perry for years now and it’s still gonna be the band name like it or not
@@islandfocus2 he won’t as it’s all about the money
@@kathydigi3537Journey did sell out to the corporate rock world.
Steve Lukather of Toto was supporting Journey on a recent tour and said they were traveling via private jet, but Toto was traveling via the much less expensive tour bus. Lukather said he will also always take up Ringo on his All Starr Band tour because it's fun, and that band travels via private jet. Very few music acts can afford to travel via private jet.
51 year “JOURNEY” fan!
It’s time to RETIRE the band. The last couple weeks videos in the USA 🇺🇸 tour are all the “Michaele Salahi Schon” show on steroids!
I’m sick of the constant infighting and will put my $$ toward STEVE PERRY as he’s hinted at getting onstage again.
I'm a big steve perry fan but we are holding onto memories of his greatness from over 30 years ago. The man is 75 now. I don't think he wants to compete with his young greatness.
@@CarlosRamTx Your opinion only!
@@rhondawilkins2017 Absolutely. Like I said I'm a big fan of Steve. I wish him the best if he chooses to go out and tour.
If you listened to Steve's last solo LP, you'd hear that his range has dropped about an octave and a half, since his time in Journey. Unless he's planning on using some fancy pitched-up note-matching autotune effects while he sings, there's simply no way he can ever sing the hits of Journey again. It's time to let go of this fantasy some of us have for a triumphant Perry return.
@@mattwuxx3888I don't want to argue on that , but don't you think that an octave and a half is a lot? A step and a half is pretty low too, I heard him sing from some video online dated from about 2 years ago, and he is not even a step down. I am not saying he can hit all the notes he was hitting 30 years ago, but an octave and a half is a lot, take your piano, guitar or bass play a note, and go an octave and a half lower, and you will hear a huge difference.
Journey makes the Eagles look like the Waltons...
Its so sad, bc I love Journey.
They're such a great band!
What Journey was once is not what it is today. They really should call it a career lest they sully the reputation they’ve built for 50 years.
"What do you care I pay for it" So he does spend that much then. And I seriously doubt that's coming out of his personal funds.
I remember years ago hearing that Schon didn't like the way Perry was picking the songs saying they were too soft while the band was packing the venues and selling tons of albums while getting rich. Schon has always wanted to just be a heavy metal guitarist, which he wasn't. I'm pretty sure that is a big part of why Steve Perry left the band.
My family knew Neal’s family in San Mateo, and they always pronounced it like Shawn.
Schon. Rhymes with Don...Ron...Tron...and Bon.
No. Pronounced as Shawn.
good thing Perry, Valory, and the other older members don't have to deal with this any longer
Neal is and should be the owner of the band Journey, if it wasn’t for Steve Perry Journey would not be where they are today. Steve is completely out of this drama but one good thing is Steve is still receiving his pay 💰!!!
Definitely deserving Mr perry working Hurd for journey band already without Mr perry no more journey 😂😂😂😂
sorry but journey never broke into superstardom until there ESCAPE ABLUM (where cain joined the band). so you might say. BIG DEAL, so he joined the band and played some keyboards. well, he may be the chief songwriter behind journey's biggest hits. it seemed to me more than half their biggest hits had keyboards as major part of the song (faithfully, don't stop believin, who's cryin now, etc). now, if cain didn't write any of the music, then I would agree with you. but I think he probably did. he wasn't the last one to put his mark on the song (a song that was mostly complete except for the keyboards). I think he was often the first. but I love schon. I am a guitar player. and there is no doubt he is a great songwriter to. but he's rock n roll. perry and cain where more of the POP rock type. very different. and I would say the pop rock focus is what pushed them to the top and kept them there.
@@wasatchm I agree J. C. is a collaborator writing some of Journey’s Biggest Hits. But back then they all had each other’s 6 now it’s every man for himself, just look how they pushed Steve out of the Band. But Steve was one step ahead head of all them. Steve still gets paid and doesn’t have to worry about killing his vocal cords. All in all Steve was the smartest of them all.
Since Steve left Journey hasn’t been the same and never had a Hit song. So J.C. may still be writing the songs but they aren’t going anywhere because they don’t have the Voice to sing them.
Steve Perry is now being compensating for his pain and suffering. NS is he still with the reality show wife? Well blessed be his ❤❤
Neal should have stuck with Jan Hammer
Steve Perry was a great singer.
Whenever I hear this story, I hear and see the video for Neils song No More Lies.
Neal needs more plastic sugery…
lol- I was thinking the same thing
Probably putting all that Botox on the credit card too.
Just think how Schon would react legally if Perry put a band together that started playing old Journey hits :)
What does one even spend 10k on at a hotel?!
Per night. What is he spending it on?
That’s insane no doubt
On Brown M&Ms.
Booger Sugar & High Class “Helpers”
Its pretty easy to do
Of course Schon says it isn't true. Yet, he basically admitted it to the person who asked about it, saying he pays for it. Yes, Neal, but from WHAT account?
Neal is obviously jealous of the fame always going to Steve Perry for giving Journey the million dollar voice and Jonathan Cain for writing the million dollar hits. That's gotta hurt Neal's fragile mind. Even Arnel helped them out being a great vocalist for the band, but he's being treated like shit. Arnel should get out and start his own band or find another great band to lend his voice to. 🤷♂️
Just a cover band without Steve Perry
Steve has move on, it’s a band called Journey with or without him give credit where credit is due.
Neal Schon has ALWAYS been a shyster‼️
This would explain why he sold his main stratocaster he used on the Infinity album . And almost every other iconic guitar he used on Escape and Frontiers .
Steve Perry - not Journey without his golden voice
I'm sure Jon has a financial analyst on speed dial and has been tolerant of Neal's spending as long as it was covered by the revenue churn of the tour, after tour costs and Jon's cut. My bet is Neal is spending in excess of that...
It’s Neal’s band…..
I think you meant a forensic accountant. They chase down the money. FAs just analyze the corporation or trust's financial statements.
@@markriggs8371 - he never was the sole owner of Journey... and he still isn't..
@@buddfoxx5955 - FA = Financial Analyst.
they should have Retired years ago..............
And Deen should hook backup with the guys from Generation Radio…the best album I’ve heard in years!
I sense a breakup coming very soon.
YT unsubed me from this channel. I love th3 content you put out.
Journey is Awesome.I watch them on You Tube everyday.The Gregg Rollie days the Jonathan Cain days.I love Neal but Journey was done to me without Steve Perry.Period.❤I hate Karaoke 😂😂
Let me hear you sing, Steve Perry is awesome but to call the current lead singer “karaoke” is a huge disrespect to Arnel, grow up man child and give credit where credit is due🤪
Sounds like we should all pitch in & buy Neal a session in the Dave Ramsey financial institute….it starts with a $1K emergency fund…2/3’s of his nightly hotel budget. 🙄 One of my best friends was an original member of Kansas, when they discovered that the limos & catered food came out of their nightly income, it was rental cars & Chick-fil-A from then on! 👍🤣
Neal doesn’t look the same anymore with all the money he has spent on plastic surgery.
Steve Perry is probably so glad he doesn’t need to deal with this hot mess
Neal Schon is a first class a hole!!!
I’m a huge Journey fan and have been for decades. I’ve always respected and appreciated the incredible talent in the band. But Neal’s reputation has preceded him for as long as I can remember. Some people just have a tough time handling fame. At this point in time, it shouldn’t affect my opinion of him or the band. But sadly, it kinda does. Like Don Henley and so many others, there comes a point when you have to stop and ask yourself, how much more money or notoriety do I really need? They shouldn’t have anything more to prove. Just enjoy your success and your place in music history. Chill the hell out and be a decent person. But I guess that’s too much to ask from him.
I really hope it's true that every single time one of the songs Perry co-wrote is used live, he gets a cut. Dunno if that's true but hope so. It's more than fair as a cowriter and it was Perry's magic that rolled in the millions. He left and took the light with him. Can't believe these guys are in their 60s, 70s or whatever and spend their time bickering. (And Schon's face wtf he looks like an alien - just sayin' Perry is natural and still a handsome guy. He's well out of the mess).
I saw Def Lep & Journey back in 2018. Even then, you had guys like Arnel, Ross & Steve Smith working to put on a cool show...and I suppose Neil & Jonathan Cain were too...but there was a real kind of chilly vibe compared to Def Lep. Reminded me of seeing Van Halen in 04. You could just feel like guys were just up there trying to get things done, and at odds...
What if Cain, Castronovo, Vallory, and Steve Perry got back together, teamed up with a great guitarist (who wasn't Neil Schon), and attempted to form a new band with a Journey-Esque sort of feel, with different songs. Not re-performing the old orig. stuff, but new stuff. Just breaking off from Journey altogether, to find a more cohesive sound, built with a familiar sort of brotherhood, and mutual respect towards each other? Anyone out there remember when some of the band member of Boston, went in together & created the band RTZ (Return to Zero CD)? Yes I know it was 1 album (I think, it was 1 that was put out anyway). Even though it didn't work out long term, it was still pretty awesome to listen to, I still have the cd somewhere. Over the years, it seems that the common problem has been Neil Schon, so maybe take him out of the equation, go back to basics. Hell maybe if not Cain or Castronovo, then what about Dunbar or Rolie? I've always thought it would be so freaking cool, to have the best of the best form a band, make new albums, & see how it would sound with a little bit of everything. Yes, I'm a Gen X'r, and YES, I MISS the original music. But maybe if they were to form something new, by putting egos and bygones aside, I would be so intrigued on what that would sound like. Just my 2 cents & thoughts. Thanks for the vid
Amen!
Please, no more Cain and his wife Paula.
Retirement is a great option. I grew up a massive fan of journey. I’m still a fan of journeys music prayer to 2000. But at this point, I will literally would not go to a concert of theirs if I got free front row tickets and VIP treatment. It’s a karaoke band and has become a shit show.
Im literally about to see them next week man for the first time I hope they can stick out the tour!
From a big Journey fan (Arnel era included)... Def Leppard's the easy winner on that tour. Your in for a treat with them. One of the best held up bands from the 80s which is crazy considering the amount of substance abuse there. Also some of the genuinely nicest guys to work around or interact with, but thats a story for a different day
As a Journey fan (Arenel era included)... Def Leppard's the shining part of that tour man. They are easily the best 80s band holding up today sound and stability wise. Like you'd think boos and drugs would have destroyed them. But they are strong as ever! You may have a shot with Journey being good or not depending on the night and how pissed they are at each other. Def Leppard will make up for it all I promise you that much
@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful you're right. I saw Journey in St Louis, the first stop on the tour. Johnathan Cain looked angry, not his happy self. And that was the first stop on the tour. Hopefully they make it all the way
They are gonna finish the stadium tour but have already canceled their fall UK tour. I think its the end after the stadium tour. There is only about 12-15 shows left
This riff in the band, after they kicked out Steve Perry. Schon is the head case.
When I pro musicianed in Los Angeles in the late 80s I ran into Neil with John Waite and Jonathan Cain. that was the beginning of the bad English days. I told my guitar player as we walked away, Neil is an ass. My buddy said why don’t you go back and kick his ass? I said yeah that would turn out well for me…. speaking of lawsuits.
Its Schon...."shawn"...not SHONE
He’s been informed of this several times, in every video he makes about this band. But he continues to pronounce it that way.
plus he has TERRIBLE voice for broadcasting/public speaking,..all lethargic sounding,...and that drawl🤠🤠🙄😴
The journey through time was short lived when Greg Rollie said Neil screwed him over 100 grand. And is suing him as well
Glad to hear it! Neal used him to promote sales, and short talks with Rollie coming back to Journey in Austin during the Anniversary tour! Then left town and Rollie!
Love Neal's playing he is an amazing guitar player hands down. That said he does seem to be the one who posts New Cars, Guitars and various other spending. That is not a crime to do but when you are locked in a you spend too much money case maybe tone it down!
Gregg, you got out before things got bad.
Ahora comprendo más a Steve Perry por qué lo desmotivaron en la banda .no lo valoraron 😢❤❤
journey is more corporation then a band now saw them few years ago one of worst concerts ever been to they were just going through the motions
And to think, prior to this latest development, you actually had people backing schon over cain basically because of his faith and his wife's connection to trump. Not even bothering to examine the facts of the matter. If this doesnt clearly give you a picture of who's the one bottling it over in Journey, nothing will.
Well, I can tell you that cancelling a UK and Ireland tour isn't going to do a lot for their reputation. Seems they managed to do the dates the other side of the Atlantic. Thanks Journey.
I don't even want to see them now, but I can't wait for Arnels Journey!!
Hope they can work this all out. Love this band. Keep working on it...life is too short.
Schon sees everyone as replaceable. Sad. Steve p, Steve s, Ross v, and jonathan Cain should start their own band without schon.
I got to see them back in April I enjoyed it this was before I knew what was going on it was a Christmas present for the concert before my bday
Find out. Do another VID on what Neal is actually doing with the money. This is insane. There's always ONE person that's gonna F up a good thing. Crazy !!
Sounds a bit like a drug or gambling issue.
It is interesting this past week. Journey canceled their UK, European tour with no information being released to why.
Could it be because this internal strife is true, or is it some other factors.
It is sad because Cain and Schon have had a great friendship and musical career, and it is getting torn apart. They need group therapy.
And these are the two guys used to give Steve hell about having his own limo or tour bus and these are the same two saying about Steve that Elvis has left the building, well now the whole world knows why Steve didn't want to be around these two BEOTCH's while on tour !!!! They have really destroyed the name Journey.
They should retire and call it a day. Journey was a great band, but it is only a shell of its former self.
You are looking at people who haven’t lived like most of us do. Old spoiled brats who need to retire. Journey is a has been band. It’s time boys; just call it quits. If Aerosmith can do it, so can you.
I'm surprised they're not arguing over Bad English royalties too, the band did sell quite a lot of copies of the first album (did they do any more??). Maybe that's a whole other lawsuit.
I doubt that album produces anything of note noways. Probably hasn’t in decades.
@@BBaldwin Probably not. The royalties have likely dried up, though at this stage I wouldn't put it past those two to fight about the album (Schon and Cain) since they're involved with its creation & they're currently in a litigious mood.
Having nothing to base this on as I know no one in the band, but my gut says that Cain is probably more correct than not.
Neal Schon,Greg Rollie and Ross Valory started journey
They were not a profitable group at all and the manager knew that they needed something
That something was Steve Perry. When he came into this band, he took them on a ride that they never anticipated
The Journey group today still plays those old songs in the same key because Neal Schon doesn’t believe in changing the key of a tune it doesn’t matter if the singer is 20 or 70 you don’t change the tune of the songs
When Steve Perry was with the group, he mostly did the lyrics at the beginning, so did Greg Raleigh they both did composure together Neil Sean always came up with his guitar solos
Years later here we are now
So Neil Sean’s attorney likes to say there’s no problem
Yes, there is not paying your road crew spending money on a band credit card for a 10,000 a night hotel room that is ridiculous Does Neil have dementia? Does he believe he is back in the early 80s making all kinds of money or is it this wife Michaela? She likes her money a lot.
As you can tell over the years, this has becoming tiresome, I think the band journey should retire, and let them ride off into the sunset 😂
Has this band ever gotten along??
🙏 for Journey to resolve this snag and continue!
Over 50 years of music and now petty bickering over money, sad
I think he’s maxing out on more plastic surgeries He looks very bizarre these days
Sad to see one of my childhood bands still fighting over money. Figure it out guys you're too old for this.
These two need to get a room already.
But in all seriousness, being in a band is harder than being in a marriage. Lots of politics afoot.
Based on the court filings, it's clear what is happening here. It seems as though Schon, as Cain alleges, is spending Journey's operating funds (not his own money) recklessly, such that some of Journey's financial obligations cannot be met (i.e., payroll). If that is true, then Journey, like other corporations, is on the verge of bankruptcy. When the monthly operating expenses exceed the monthly revenue, the company runs at a deficit, resulting in the reduction of the cash reserves. If this is true, Schon, as an owner of the company, should try to cut his own salary/expenses so that the company's financial obligations can be met. I've seen this happen to major companies, and the result is bankruptcy or dissolution. This should never have happened to Journey as they have been on the road (excluding the pandemic year) continuously since 2007. Also, they have residuals from the streaming of their catalog. This is simply unfathomable.
These guys fight and argue more than my ex and I.
If it's Schon's own money paying for his things then there is no issue. If the band has a structured system and an account that the money comes from then there is a big issue.
I think it’s to the point where Neal Schon may be mentally ill. Jonathan should work out an agreement with Schon where they split up and both tour separately. You know, Neal Schon’s Journey and Jonathan Cain’s Journey. If that happens, Neal would be broke in a month. Then, it’ll be back to o e Journey again.
I think it's Neil's wife who causes him to make bad decisions. Do a search on her... she came with a lotta baggage.
@@vixstert.5642 Like Cain's wife isn't a complete nutjob herself. For that matter, so is Cain.
Remind me when was the last time Journey wrote a hit?
Ask steve perry, that's why he's at home racking in money and staying out of the drama
Early 90s I believe
The Way We Used To Be 2021 !
1996 When u love a woman with Perry
Hots for rock bands are over. It’s a Taylor Swift, Beyoncé world now.
PLEASE …Neal SHAWN! your the only one in the industry who mispronounces his last name. I love your channel though:)
It's definitely annoying!!!
You're, not your (the only one in the industry). And yes, it's pronounced like, Shawn.
Neil has to
Much of an ego. When they played Vegas with an orchestra Neil had to have all the solo and intro. It was waste to have an orchestra. Month after I saw The Whi with an orchestra and Pete let the violinist have a couple of solo, take the spotlight and the orchestra do a few intro to songs.
You can look at Neal’s plastic face and know where his heart is. Plus he couldn’t write a hit song if his life depended on it. He isn’t a singer either. He’s a great guitarist and that’s it. They should have kept perry and bounced Neal imo.
They haven’t done any new material iirc since.
If the band ends Neal will be in the poor house
Journey is done.....
when Journey started it was all about great music...now it's just about money. Screw them all....they all suck.
I watched the band last winter. Glad before something bad happens to break them up.
STEVE,MISS YOUR VOICE ,MR SCHON YOU LOOK LIKE EDDY MUNSTER NOW THAT YOU GOT YOUR NOSE DONE 😂😂
This crap is old now. I won’t be wasting another dollar on them. Arnel should quit. Neil is a full blown ego maniac. For either of them to say, it affects the Journey legacy, is nonsense. We only know about the drama because they both air it publicly.
MONEY THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL FINDS A WAY TO DESTROY EVEN THE BIGGEST OF ALL GIANTS IN ANY BUSINESS, SAD JOURNEY CANT GET THERE ACT TOGETHER AFTER 40 YEARS
Yeah it's sad I admire both Jonathon & Neal for their great talents & accomplishment, the great & even phenomenal songs they created with band members over the decades since Escape. I have 20-30 or more Journey songs for a Favorite songs but My favorite All time is one of their least known & wasn't on any of their albums unless it was on a later collection or greatest hits.
I hope would be the motto of the band & even their next album title...ONLY SOLUTIONS, that was on the Tron 1982 Soundtrack. I pray God intervene & help them to work this all out to Only find Solutions & admit where they've been at fault...the fans and music are more important than these internal feuds being made public