Stacking Octavers and Pitch-Shifters for Massive Synth Tones!
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- On this episode of Tonal Teamwork we once again try to think out of the sonic box. This time (after being inspired by the mighty Zane Carney) we stack the Electro-Harmonix Pitch Fork and the EarthQuaker Devices Organizer V2 for massive stacked synth sounds. Pair that with the EarthQuaker Devices Dispatch Master and Pyramids and you'll be in ambient synth heaven in no time.
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Gear used:
Fender US Telecaster
Pedals used:
EarthQuaker Devices Organizer V2 - thepedalzone.c...
EarthQuaker Devices Dispatch Master V2 - thepedalzone.c...
EarthQuaker Devices Pyramids Flanger - thepedalzone.c...
Electro-Harmonix Pitch Fork
Amps used:
Fender Deluxe Reverb 65 RI mic'd with an Aston Spirit
“I was like whoa, this is going to be some next level wizardry”. This is the reason why I come here; absolutely love the unbridled enthusiasm.
Haha! Can't help it. Awesome sounds and thinking outside the stompbox just rock my world ☺ Thanks for watching and commenting, dude. To cool of ya ❤
Reminds me of composers like Terry Riley and Phillip Glass. Sounds awesome!
An expression pedal going through the pitchfork on this tone could be pretty amazing. Glad to see you're back!
Sure, it could probably create some fun results ☺ And I've been back for a while, man. Have you seen my recent demos?
Great sound, just-combining the 1st 2 pedals you activated. Reminds me of a ( church-organ ) when I go to Mass. Very unique tones. Enjoyed it. oNe LovE from NYC
Thanks for the kindness. Means a lot to me 🙏
"I get weird thoughts when I'm sober!"
🤷♂️
Same
Whammy V + PH-2 Super Phaser + PS-3 Pitch Shifter/Delay + a DIY analog 3 head delay I have. Thanks man, for real.
My pleasure, man. Sounds like a really fun combo! ☺
It is! I'll try to upload something to IG soon :D
Cool! Can’t wait to hear it in action 😊🤘
You've basically created a supersaw. That's pretty incredible! I've been wanting to get more into synth guitar, and I think this is a fantastic way to do it. I'm getting ideas, dude! Thanks for sharing this cool technique!
I do the same with my TC electronics brainwaves and sub n' up, you can get some really meaty sounds out of this combo.
I've been running octavers in other octavers and pitch shifters a lot, recently. It just seemed like the logical step for me to create a huge sound, because there's no guitar in my current musical project - just bass. :D
Very good harmonies and ambience. Love how you use the effects, greetings from Brazil! o/
Tonal Teamwork, my favourite :D I love how you get all excited by yourself when you hear the stacked pitch shifters ahah
Thanks, bud! Happy you liked it. Yeah, I can’t really control the way inspiring sounds affect me. It’s just an awesome feeling 😊🙏
This is so insanely awesome!
Thanks, man! Really glad you liked it 😊🙏
Truly awesome sound, has me staring down at my 50 so pedals and going lets change things up
Awesome to hear you found some new inspiration in this video!
Lush tones man normally I despise pitch shifting but now I’m in love with it
Thanks, buddy! Happy to hear I could give you a new perspective on pitch-shifters 😊🤘
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Octavers and Pitch Shifters are among my favorite pedals, you just have to take the time to get the settings right.
great timing! I was just messing around with this ealier this week.A bonus- try putting a pitch shifting pedal after the pitch shifter and octaver. The set up I tried was a Boss PS2 ( added bonus of the weird feedback knob)>foxrox octron> digitech whammy> into delay/modulation (and try a ring mod!) ... great video as always... yr always so generous with your ideas.
( gets even weirder with filters and I was messing with the Dwarftcraft Grazer, too)
Thank you for this video! So insightful 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻♥️♥️♥️
Happy to hear you found it inspiring and helpful 😊
2:24 as soon as it cut to the pedalboard I started laughing 😂 😂😂
That much Earthquaker is guaranteed chaos lmao.
I've waited sooo long for someone to post that kind of demo. Thank you
I do something quite similar with a Whammy 5 into a Sub N Up for my ambient project. That flanger after is a game changer, though!!! Gotta love EQD!
I just returned my TC Electronic Vortex Flanger today and ordered the Earthquaker Devices Pyramids he has there. Usually I love TC Electronics stuff: Shaker Vibrato, Sub n' Up Octaver, Flashback X4 (kind of wish I would've gotten the Triple Flashback instead though), Ditto looper, Pipeline tremolo, Corona Chorus, Hall of Fame 2 Reverb and Polytune. I love their pedals but that Vortex just couldn't be set to subtle, it was harsh. When TC Electronic doesn't do it for me, I always go with Earthquaker Devices or Walrus Audio, I've found them to be pretty much top of the line when it comes to tone and versatility.
Great video and sounds man - cool to see you so genuinely excited about the sounds you're making - I can relate!! :D
Haha! Thanks, man! Yeah, it's difficult to hide my excitement when I hear sounds that inspire me ☺
I can see that! That Pitchfork into the Organizer sounds so dope
Fabulous, I'll keep on nagging you to make an album of your spacey ambient sounds :)
Thanks, bud! And I'll commend your nagging until I get my act together and get it done. It needs to happen soon ☺ Thanks for your kindness ❤
This video answered the question I was wondering the answer to... I have the EHX HOG2 currently, I have the Digitech Richochet on the way and have just now pulled the trigger on a EQD Organizer. Going to run all into my Source Audio Collider and see if I can open a portal to another universe 🧙♂️🎸🌏🚀🌠🤯🤩
Ugh can't wait to finish my Jaguar build so I can start building a freaking ambient pedalboard! Thanks for the endless inspiration Stefan!
Keep up the amazing work man :)
I would have never think of that! Thank you
My pleasure, man! I’m just super happy to hear that you gained a new perspective on pedal order and stacking today. Makes it all worth it. Thanks for watching and commenting ❤️🙏
"I get weird thoughts when I am sober" 😂 Bless him!
😂❤
We need a "Stefan's Jams" mixtape, please.
I'll buy the heck of it.
Haha! Thanks, man! Think I would name the tape "The Fast Track" ☺
Holy fuck, time to go shopping.
Happy you found the video inspiring!
I love it! I might be looking into getting a pitch fork now lol. I woukd also add a volume pedal at the beginning to do ambient swells
Thank you very much! I always just use the volume pot on my guitar for swells. Works just as well and it’s right there by your pinky 😊🤘
Sounds magical :)
Thank you very much, my friend ❤
Super Ed O'Brien or OK Computer/Kid A era Jonny Greenwood. I can only imagine the pad sounds that could be created
Happy you enjoyed it and found inspiration in the vid. Honored that it reminds you of Radiohead. One of my absolute favorite bands in the world.
I'm not into the pitch shifted sound...but placing the flanger after reverb is a damn cool trick... ☺️
Modulation after reverb in general is just a super neat trick. The way the decay extends and accentuates the movement of any modulation effect is just so dreamy to me. Happy you enjoyed that stacking trick 😊
Yeah Sound f*** massive!
Heck yeah, dude!! ❤
Dang! Pitch bay into Organizer into Rainbow Machine would be Kazonkers!! I'm trying that tomorrow. Thanks Stefan.
I have the Pitch Bay and am considering getting the Organizer. Have you played with the order of these pedals? Do you get the same effect with Organizer run into PB as PB run into Organizer?
Do you think you could make a video with the rainbow machine? I have one and would love to see what beautiful sounds you can make with it
"I get weird thoughts when I'm sober." 😂😂😂
😝😂
I have been having ideas while unable to play guitar for this week and earlier today I had this one: stack one of my octavers (that has a lower 5th) that I already use to make a rock hammond sound and my pitch shifter. I said "why not search for it on RUclips". And here I am.
bout to put in a green ringer into a robot devil pedal to do make the hellish version of this angelic sound
That's gonna be gnarly! Godspeed!
If you really want an experience, pick up a couple Lexicon PCM 81 rack units and a Rocktron Intellefex Harmonizer rack. Run these three racks stereo in the FX loops of a couple different amps. You will never leave your room again. The crazy things you can do with racks like these and the ways you can bend soundscapes is just mind blowing. If you are not used to using rack-based effects though, you will need to learn about insulating the racks from the rack mounts to prevent ground looping problems getting into your signal. But, once you get all that figured out, You can have harmonizer settings on all three racks, or set one Lexicon rack to a true rotery doppler effect while harmonized, or just about anything your mind can dream up. Or, if you really have money to toss at your gear habit, add in a Fractal Audio Axe FX 3 in the mix for good measure.
try placing a pitch shifter like the pitch fork after a distortion/fuzz like the big muff. you can get some really awesome sounds out of it!
Yeah, I do that a lot as well. Pitch-shifters and Fuzz DOOMS!
I was always wondering what would happen if you did this. I only have a measly octave down :D awesome video mate!
Another thought, how does this play with distortion? Sounds like you could get some crazy Arcane Roots style noises.
A third thought for the trifecta, guitar pedals are basically cheap analogue synth modules!
Happy you liked it, man! This sound plays really well with distortion and fuzz. Just takes it all to the next synthy level. I just wanted to keep it all relatively simple in this video, so that's why I didn't throw some dirt in there ☺
Man !!! Incredible demo and love the vibe in here ! haha.. Can you get only the ''clean'' octaves from the organizer ? Not modulated or anything? Just like a normal octaver pedal?
@thepedalzone could be nice to see a pt.2 with hologram electronics - tyler or patchulator and the gamechangeraudio sustain pedal.
I get those same weird thoughts sober as well ;)
It's horrible. That's why I always try to have a beer within close reach 😂
yeaa tonal teamwork!
Wow. You could emulate the Interstellar soundtrack.with that!
You’re right! Sounds pretty bang on! 😊🚀
I am drooling in front of what you create each time you explore the ambiant/doom zone of pedals. I'd love to be a better guitarist so that I am able to use them better [and justify buying any pedals actually...].
But anyway, Great job as always Stefan
You said the Dispatch Master is a favorite? I was about to buy the Afterneath pedal... Would you get the Dispatch Master over the Afterneath pedal? I already have a Hall of Fame 2 Reverb and a Flashback X4 Delay. Also regarding your crazy ideas here, I have a Sub 'n' Up (1 octave above, and 2 below), Whammy V and I ordered the Pyramids Flanger you have there, I'm just waiting for it to be delivered. I was using a Vortex Flanger but I wasn't particularly impressed by it so I took it back and ordered the Pyramids. I'm also ordering a TC Electronic Brainwaves if I can ever find one in stock and a Quintessence. I have the Walrus Audio Lillian Phaser too, some people love it and some people hate it but I find it quite usable.
Thought you where dovidas for a split second untill I opened my eyes that accent man haha
I have no idea who you’re referring to. But I’m happy my accent makes you laugh. A good laugh equals good health 👍
Great video, man!
What power supply did you use for the pedals in this one?
By the way, are you in any bands or anything?
I really like your personal sound and composition skills, I think some recorded stuff from you would really be the best.
Thank you very much, man! I’m using a Cioks DC10 to power my pedals. Super solid PSU. Can’t recommend it enough 😊🤘
Regarding music, I’ve recently released an EP I made with some friends under the name Cloud Anthems. You can find it on Spotify and Bandcamp 🙏
Big spacey synthy sound...sounds great for building soundscapes and for use in cinematic maybe?
Soundscapes and cinematic stuff is kinda what I do. So yes. Perfect sound for that 😊 Happy you liked it! 🤘
ThePedalZone personally im a bass player, and i love the ideas you have and try to apply them in bass...some work better than others 😉
That's awesome, dude! Huge ambient tones can really take on a different life on bass. But I get that it can easily get overbearing there as well. All about finding the right context for it ☺
Hey there, Stefan, I love your channel. What do you think an analog octave up pedal like the Earthquaker Devices Tentacle would sound like after reverb?
Doesn’t the Hedra do this on its own?
More or less, with the added control over delay times PER pitch shifts. We live in an amazing time.
Timely ? Was doing similar yesterday with TC subnup ocataver (with flanger patch) plus TC flanger and EQD Pyramids flanger. Stacking flangers out of phase sounds pretty awesome as well ;-)
That sounds pretty damn cool! Gotta give that a whirl ❤
Is that a Do Make Say Think T-shirt? I WANT IT!
It sure is, man! One of my favorite bands 😊🤘
I’m really excited to try this with my wizard of pitch going into the organizer or maybe the particle at an octave up! You’re so smart! Unrelated, do you have any thoughts on the merits of the multi heads of the Echorec vs the polymoon? I have the echorec but I’m seriously considering swapping it for a polymoon! Any thoughts you have are deeply appreciated!
I get that sound whit a digitech rp-155. Great video.
That's awesome, man! Happy you enjoyed the vid.
i am thinking about buying a pitch shifter for some months now but i was never sure if i want the pitch fork or the digitech whammy, i think i know it now^^
Happy the video was helpful to you ☺
what would happen if you put some sort of crazy sound destroying fuzz (Death by Audio or JPTR FX stuff) at the very end of the chain? or at least after pitch shifter and octaver and before delay and flanger?
It would sound like a crazy sound destroying fuzz destroying the signal ☺ For the most musical result, I would recommend placing the fuzz earlier in the chain. But if you're going for a blown up, textural lo-fi sound, then placing a fuzz last in the chain can create some spectacular results.
Hey man! I hope you reply. This question is bugging me for quite a while now. What do you think is the best pedal platform amp?
What's "best" is always such a subjective thing. To me, anything with good clean headroom will work great as a foundation for pedals. I'm currently using a REVV D20, and I'm extremely happy with it.
Hi Stefan I'd be really grateful if you could answer this one question for me. I'm guessing you're using a lavalier mic while talking and a mic to your amp. Correct me if I'm wrong. Which lavalier mic are you using and what setup are you using for your lavalier. That would really help. Thanks. Keep rocking the ambient tones!
Hey man! I am indeed using a lav mic for my speak and a dedicated mic for the amp. My lav mic set is the Sennheiser AVX-ME2 and my amp mic is the Aston Spirit. Great recording solution. Can’t recommend them enough 😊🤘
Thanks a ton! I've started an ambient channel of my own so I needed to know about a lav mic! Thanks.
That’s great, man! Good luck 🍀
Thanks
You should try the EHX Superego+
What would happen to the tone if one stacks pitch shifter/octaver with a double tracker? Like keeley’s 30ms double tracker? 😱🤯🤯🤯
Would just make the sound wider and more dimensional
Почему не добиваться этого же при помощи модуляуиици и реверберации?
What's the difference between an octaver and pitch shifter? Is it just that a PS has more intervals to choose from?
Octavers can only do straight octaves up and/or down. Pitch-shifters can do all kinds of intervals in between. The Pitch Fork can for instance handle stuff like minor second, perfect fourth, perfect fifth (like I use in the video), minor third etc etc etc.
Additionally, a lot of pitch shifters (Like the Pitch Fork and the Digitech Whammy) do octaves as well - this is typically achieved digitally via sampling, which will largely preserve the qualities of the input signal but may introduce artefacts. Some octave pedals will employ tricks like half wave rectification to generate an octave up, and this can colour your sound quite dramatically (eg. octave fuzzes), and others completely re-synthesise your signal and tend to have a monophonic output as a consequence.
I’ve been wanting to stack three Boss pedals
OC3 MO2 and PS6
Go for it! Sounds like fun :)
I'm into my third viewing of this one it's so sweet.
Ok I am gonna try TC Quintessence>Micro Pog>Opamp Muff>Boss MO-2>Boss Tera Echo>Mooer E-Lady>Line6 M5>Nemesis delay.
Hehehehe
Hmm ok Tera Echo last, yeah. That should work.
Man you use a lot of different brands. Have you had any issues with them sucking out your tone?
Have meet a pedal you didn't like?
Of course I have encountered pedals I didn't enjoy. But that doesn't mean they were bad pedals. Just means they weren't for me, my sound and my context ☺
would love to hear this with a fuzz pedal!!
It works REALLY GREAT with fuzz 😊🤘
do you have instagram? would you mind showing this setup with a fuzz pedal there?
that way you wouldnt have to do an entire video about it
Yes, I'm on Instagram. Just search for thepedalzone ☺
A delay inbetween the harmonizer and octaver might be cool for a slightly delayed attack on the octave stuff, if possible, though I guess you'd need something with a dry-wet separation and something to mix it back in...
I think a delay pedal would potentially mess with the tracking of the octaver, but it's always worth a try. Luckily the EQD Organizer has a lag knob, which can adjust the pre-delay on the octaves, so it can go from instant and super fast tracking, to lagging way behind like old-school analog octavers sometimes tend to do ☺
Probably wouldn't if you have 100% wet, something like this but with the octaver instead ruclips.net/video/pQJOgmUKW1g/видео.htmlm5s
7:21 😂❤️
Can’t help myself 😂😊❤️
..and then Hedra came :)
I’m trying to replicate Kanye West’s “Hold My Liquor”, do you think these pedals could get me there? I have a Holy Grail Reverb on hand.
I’m hearing a bit of Three Trapped Tigers. here.
Love that band so much!
HOG2
Always wanted to try that pedal
Getting hall of fame 2 soon
Okay. Cool. It's a fun reverb pedal. Hope you'll write some nice music with it ☺
666th like! \m/
You know, there are guys who play synth...just sayin'
I know. I’m one of them 😘
Then stop putting yourself out of work! :P
I'm never sober. Perhaps that is the problem. Not enough W E I R D T H O U G H T S
I sold my Pitchfork and now I deeply regret it.
Naaaah. I’m having too much fun here 😊🤘
Too much fun will kill you. Hey...that reminds me of a song.
I want my Pitchfork back! I have so many other harmoniser/octave/modulation etc pedals but that was a mistake, selling that one. The TC Quintessence doesn't do the whammy thing. MASH function provides *limited* pitch shifting in real time.
Doesn’t the Hedra do this on its own?
It's not totally the same. Hedra does allow you to run several pitch voices at the same with different intervals, but it runs its 3 voices in parallel. In this example we're stacking pitch-shifter, feeding the 5th into the octaves. It just produces a different sound, since the 5th is getting pitch-shifted up and down as well by the octaver.