Have been using Sennheiser Game One on PS4 and now on PS5, love the audio (soundstage and imaging) of it and will stick with it for couple more years; the DualSense drives it well @50ohms; no EQing needed.
Nice review, I got the mobius for 120 off so slightly cheaper than the penrose, I really like them, but I don't game so use for closed back headphone, by headphone for music, videos etc. I am happy to report that after only 2 half months I only occasionally forget where the hell the right control is 😜 for what k want it to do
No thats not true i think.Got a audeze penrose x and beyerdynamic mmx300 for my Series x,mmx300 far more comfortable,audeze too hard on the sides and on top,and i got a normal size head.Sound on both Headsets the same,not much difference...
@@dysnomia1132 There's not even one mention of "Xbox" in my comment. I have no idea how the audio implementation works there. But the DualSense controller has very poor audio quality.
I was really hoping that Audeze would improve the band to earpiece joint, as this is Fragile. I am about to purchase my 4th pair of the Mobius, and 2 of them snapped at the joint. Regardless, I will stay with them due to audio superiority and 7.1, or I would get the Penrose. Good job.
Bought these yesterday to game on PS5 mostly shooters. I'm replacing my Astro A20 which I thought was decent enough. I just wanted something more. I also bought some wicked cushions to try and replace the ear cups. Which I'll have to do a little custom work to make it work on the Penrose. Also have to wait until July to get them according to Audeze.
I really want them but something keeps telling me go with Astro a50…….iv got a lgcx so don’t need to buy the hdmi splitter and the £219 in the uk right now
@@azgard8914 Funny I have the same TV 55" gaming on it only. I also was going to get the A50's really for comfort and that charging station looks amazing. However I had to go with the Penrose as I believe the sound will be unmatched by almost none other headphones out. If I'm wrong hell they'll go back and I'll continue to use the A20 until they release something new the next gen.
Yeah I got the cx48 for my desk setup…..iv watched a few films on Netflix but mainly Ps5…….there’s no way I’ll ever be able to play on anything less now iv experienced the cx……I may just order the penrose and send them back Amazon have 2 in stock
Best headset I’ve ever owned the sound quality is out of this world when I play call of duty and for music probably better than all my Dre beat headphones I’ve ever owned
And there is your problem itself. You only had beats which are mediocre headphones at best with N insane marketin budget. You can take any unknown chinese brand headphones, sack on a new brand sticker and with that same marketing budget, people who don't know any better will assume they are godly even before they put them on...
With the WAVES NX Mix ROOM software, the 3d surround soundstage problem is solved, just download the software, I think this software could already be native to Audeze! Saving the equalization profile in Penrose via software, when listening on the smartphone via bluetooth is it accepted or do I need to configure another preset on the smartphone? Did you create any presets for PUBG and CS GO or did you use the standard FPS from the Audeze software?
@@bspinnfade I agree. I had the Penrose and it sounded amazing but I couldn't stomach the cost so I returned it. I ended up getting the Orbit S instead which is supposedly just the Mobius without BT. I never got a chance to do a side by side comparison but I really wish I didn't return the Penrose because my memory says it sounded better for my PC. The Penrose just had a very visceral and engrossing sound quality during gunfights, like I could actually feel the bullets wizzing by. I loved it. I don't have that same feeling with the Orbit S. I don't know, maybe it's all in my head since I can't compare. HD sound on the Orbit S does sound good (not available on the Penrose) and it sounds leagues better than the Cloud 2 without question. But the volume is lacking compared to the Penrose such that for Siege, I keep the Orbit S at 100% compared to something much lower on the Penrose (
Funny that’s actually what I returned my penrose to get was the orbit S. Volume wise I did compare them they’re the same. I like her orbit S a lot but with the dongle issues I was having I didn’t want to try the mobius after my experience with the penrose. Love the orbit S.
@@brianandreasen2200 Are you using HD audio? 2 channel and 7.1 volume are fine but HD audio is pretty low for some reason. I prefer it since it gives a much wider soundstage vs the others including surround sound. Oh, and I didn't have any connectivity issue with the Penrose dongle when plugged directly to the back of my B550 Unify motherboard.
Incredible review! Sorry for this unrelated question but would you mind telling me if there is a difference in sound between the maple wood and carbon fiber version of the lcd xc? I got the maple wood (that you did your review in 2020 on) ones at a store but want to know if the carbon fibers have a better sound or if they sound the same. Thank you so much for your help.
Question about the mic, you said that was in wireless mode, can you use it in wired mode? Pretty much every wireless gaming headset I've ever heard has crap mic quality but if it's usable in straight wired mode it would probably sound significantly better.
You can use it wired. Keep in mind that the headset needs to be powered on so if you have a Dac/Amp you would need to lower its volume and use the volume wheel on the headset to adjust volume. Mic sounds amazing when wired. Wireless they limit the mic quality to keep audio quality high. Also, recording into premiere pro is not a good representation of what the mic actually sounds like in discord or teamspeak. The mic is hot garbage wireless.
Doed mobius support for andriod and ipad OS? And how to connect mobius to andriod devices and ipads via USB C for not downgrading audio quality or surround sound?
You can eq any headphone? As for sounding more like and LCD, sure you can EQ towards that but still won't sound the same. Smaller drivers and closed backed vs much larger, open backed drivers.
@@Voidward They are 100% correct and answered your question, is it that it wasn't what you wanted to hear, or that you didn't understand the fundamental concpets they used that you don't think it's useful?
@@AndyNicholson I already EQ every headphone I have. I have a clear understanding you can approximate timbre via EQ. I was explicitly curious about elements outside of timbre, such as imaging, soundstage, dynamics, subbass and detail retrieval. The response I got gave me no new information. Your response gave me just as much useful information, but with more smugness.
@@Voidward if smugness was perceived, I apologize, but I can promise you it was not intended. To me they gave you an answer, I wanted to know why you didn't accept it.
@@EdgeOfDarkness86 so du surround headphones not have any additional speakers? Its all in the software? I am struggling to buy my first high end pc headset, and want 7.1 sound as i have a atmos setup wuth my home theater. I struggle to understand why no 7.1 headsets are usually in the top 5 gaming headphone lists, they are all virtual 7.1...
@@themusketeer9458 Surround sound headsets/headphones unly use 2 drivers so its done via software/extra hardware, there are some headsets that use more drivers for "real 5.1/7.1 Surround sound" (How 5 drivers in each earcup makes 7.1 I have no clue) those headsets are some next lvl trash tho.
When nothing is playing, there is a slight white noise. It's unobtrusive but present. Not annoying or anything. But when audio is playing, there are not problems.
Yes. It's there. It's a bit distracting with music, but gaming you won't notice as there's rarely a "quiet" moment there. Even in slow moments there's still gonna be ambient sound that will mask that white noise.
Yes and no in my pair at least. Its there if I turn on Sidetone and nothing is playing but nothing when I turn off sidetone. Any audio playing and I cant hear the noisefloor with sidetone on.
You just confirmed my fear since I bought a pair without knowing this and you're right. Bluetooth works flawlessly their 2.4 ghz dongle works like absolute trash and will be returning them unfortunate because they sound great.
@@neolynxer I've done marathon programming sessions with them over bluetooth never had an issue. Ended up returning them and got a different brand of headphones.
No. They're expensive, so buying a separate set for just music isn't something a lot of people are going to entertain. Knowing of they perform for both functions is useful. Also they're wireless so portability and listening to music on the go is a plus, especially for a planar magnetic design and especially for Audeze. I'm waaaaaay more interested in this for music applications away from home. Pretending a closed back headset with a shit wireless mic will beat my open backs and a dedicated wired mic is hilarious.
Thank you for the review, Chrono!
Nice review!...
Tygr 300r review would be great.
Have been using Sennheiser Game One on PS4 and now on PS5, love the audio (soundstage and imaging) of it and will stick with it for couple more years; the DualSense drives it well @50ohms; no EQing needed.
Nice review, I got the mobius for 120 off so slightly cheaper than the penrose, I really like them, but I don't game so use for closed back headphone, by headphone for music, videos etc. I am happy to report that after only 2 half months I only occasionally forget where the hell the right control is 😜 for what k want it to do
Definitely the best wireless headset out there. And absolutely the best audio solution there is for the PS5 right now.
No thats not true i think.Got a audeze penrose x and beyerdynamic mmx300 for my Series x,mmx300 far more comfortable,audeze too hard on the sides and on top,and i got a normal size head.Sound on both Headsets the same,not much difference...
@@dysnomia1132 There's not even one mention of "Xbox" in my comment. I have no idea how the audio implementation works there. But the DualSense controller has very poor audio quality.
Is it better than pulse 3d?
@@gummycadence I have not tried them but I imagine they are much better. I liked them more than the Sundara which is a $350-500 headphone.
@@GiulianoM14 thanjs
Best video out there!!
200-250hz bump , 1k presence ,3-4k shout , 8k peak sounds like the closed back smaller soundstage wireless version of akg k702
I was really hoping that Audeze would improve the band to earpiece joint, as this is Fragile. I am about to purchase my 4th pair of the Mobius, and 2 of them snapped at the joint. Regardless, I will stay with them due to audio superiority and 7.1, or I would get the Penrose. Good job.
I had the same issue with my mobius. But yeah youre right, the sound quality is irreplaceable. Currently using penrose.
Nice review, how about one with a bit of comparison on the B&O Beoplay Portal please ?
Bought these yesterday to game on PS5 mostly shooters. I'm replacing my Astro A20 which I thought was decent enough. I just wanted something more. I also bought some wicked cushions to try and replace the ear cups. Which I'll have to do a little custom work to make it work on the Penrose. Also have to wait until July to get them according to Audeze.
Yo dude when you get them go watch TECHNE video….he does a tutorial on how to change them with wicked cushions……
@@azgard8914 Already did that's where and when I decided to purchase it all
I really want them but something keeps telling me go with Astro a50…….iv got a lgcx so don’t need to buy the hdmi splitter and the £219 in the uk right now
@@azgard8914 Funny I have the same TV 55" gaming on it only. I also was going to get the A50's really for comfort and that charging station looks amazing. However I had to go with the Penrose as I believe the sound will be unmatched by almost none other headphones out. If I'm wrong hell they'll go back and I'll continue to use the A20 until they release something new the next gen.
Yeah I got the cx48 for my desk setup…..iv watched a few films on Netflix but mainly Ps5…….there’s no way I’ll ever be able to play on anything less now iv experienced the cx……I may just order the penrose and send them back Amazon have 2 in stock
That mic sounds incredible for a wireless headphone. Most wireless mics are completely unusable.
Best headset I’ve ever owned the sound quality is out of this world when I play call of duty and for music probably better than all my Dre beat headphones I’ve ever owned
It's not hard to be better than Beats...
Beats are horrible
And there is your problem itself. You only had beats which are mediocre headphones at best with N insane marketin budget. You can take any unknown chinese brand headphones, sack on a new brand sticker and with that same marketing budget, people who don't know any better will assume they are godly even before they put them on...
With the WAVES NX Mix ROOM software, the 3d surround soundstage problem is solved, just download the software, I think this software could already be native to Audeze! Saving the equalization profile in Penrose via software, when listening
on the smartphone via bluetooth is it accepted or do I need to configure
another preset on the smartphone? Did you create any presets for PUBG and CS GO
or did you use the standard FPS from the Audeze software?
Thanks for the review. I don't suppose you can compare these to the Cloud 2 wired?
They don't even compare I've had the Cloud 2 wired best headset in the 100$ range IMO but these put those to shame.
@@bspinnfade I agree. I had the Penrose and it sounded amazing but I couldn't stomach the cost so I returned it. I ended up getting the Orbit S instead which is supposedly just the Mobius without BT. I never got a chance to do a side by side comparison but I really wish I didn't return the Penrose because my memory says it sounded better for my PC.
The Penrose just had a very visceral and engrossing sound quality during gunfights, like I could actually feel the bullets wizzing by. I loved it. I don't have that same feeling with the Orbit S. I don't know, maybe it's all in my head since I can't compare.
HD sound on the Orbit S does sound good (not available on the Penrose) and it sounds leagues better than the Cloud 2 without question. But the volume is lacking compared to the Penrose such that for Siege, I keep the Orbit S at 100% compared to something much lower on the Penrose (
Funny that’s actually what I returned my penrose to get was the orbit S. Volume wise I did compare them they’re the same. I like her orbit S a lot but with the dongle issues I was having I didn’t want to try the mobius after my experience with the penrose. Love the orbit S.
@@brianandreasen2200 Are you using HD audio? 2 channel and 7.1 volume are fine but HD audio is pretty low for some reason. I prefer it since it gives a much wider soundstage vs the others including surround sound.
Oh, and I didn't have any connectivity issue with the Penrose dongle when plugged directly to the back of my B550 Unify motherboard.
I Will buy thees asap!😬😅
Incredible review! Sorry for this unrelated question but would you mind telling me if there is a difference in sound between the maple wood and carbon fiber version of the lcd xc? I got the maple wood (that you did your review in 2020 on) ones at a store but want to know if the carbon fibers have a better sound or if they sound the same. Thank you so much for your help.
Question about the mic, you said that was in wireless mode, can you use it in wired mode? Pretty much every wireless gaming headset I've ever heard has crap mic quality but if it's usable in straight wired mode it would probably sound significantly better.
You can use it wired. Keep in mind that the headset needs to be powered on so if you have a Dac/Amp you would need to lower its volume and use the volume wheel on the headset to adjust volume. Mic sounds amazing when wired. Wireless they limit the mic quality to keep audio quality high. Also, recording into premiere pro is not a good representation of what the mic actually sounds like in discord or teamspeak. The mic is hot garbage wireless.
@@NyteStalker89 thanks, figured they prbly should've hit on that in the review
Doed mobius support for andriod and ipad OS? And how to connect mobius to andriod devices and ipads via USB C for not downgrading audio quality or surround sound?
Thank you for the review!
anyone knows what song is playing?
How's the sound isolation?
Can you EQ this to sound more like an LCD? I'm really looking for something that can give me a slice of that in a bluetooth over ear for music.
You can eq any headphone? As for sounding more like and LCD, sure you can EQ towards that but still won't sound the same. Smaller drivers and closed backed vs much larger, open backed drivers.
@@NyteStalker89 Thanks, none of that was useful.
@@Voidward They are 100% correct and answered your question, is it that it wasn't what you wanted to hear, or that you didn't understand the fundamental concpets they used that you don't think it's useful?
@@AndyNicholson I already EQ every headphone I have. I have a clear understanding you can approximate timbre via EQ. I was explicitly curious about elements outside of timbre, such as imaging, soundstage, dynamics, subbass and detail retrieval.
The response I got gave me no new information. Your response gave me just as much useful information, but with more smugness.
@@Voidward if smugness was perceived, I apologize, but I can promise you it was not intended. To me they gave you an answer, I wanted to know why you didn't accept it.
Song used in intro? Relaxing what is it?
best imaging IEM under 300?
These are meh. Clamp force is painful at first but gets better, still annoying. Some high pitched something is killing my ears in this.
I’m into warzone, and how is the latency? Is there any lag?
Do you think Penrose misses a lot by not having Surround sound?
No since PS5 have their own 3d audio and PC and Xbox have DTS-X and Dolby Atmos
@@EdgeOfDarkness86 so du surround headphones not have any additional speakers? Its all in the software?
I am struggling to buy my first high end pc headset, and want 7.1 sound as i have a atmos setup wuth my home theater. I struggle to understand why no 7.1 headsets are usually in the top 5 gaming headphone lists, they are all virtual 7.1...
@@themusketeer9458 Surround sound headsets/headphones unly use 2 drivers so its done via software/extra hardware, there are some headsets that use more drivers for "real 5.1/7.1 Surround sound" (How 5 drivers in each earcup makes 7.1 I have no clue) those headsets are some next lvl trash tho.
10:14 lol is that doc?
VSM
The Panda wish they were this
I've had the Drop panda & trying to find something that works wirelessly with my phone (with aptx hd and/or LDAC) & wired with my ps5.
does it still have noise floor?
When nothing is playing, there is a slight white noise. It's unobtrusive but present. Not annoying or anything. But when audio is playing, there are not problems.
Chrono addresses this in the video.
Yes. It's there. It's a bit distracting with music, but gaming you won't notice as there's rarely a "quiet" moment there. Even in slow moments there's still gonna be ambient sound that will mask that white noise.
Yes and no in my pair at least. Its there if I turn on Sidetone and nothing is playing but nothing when I turn off sidetone. Any audio playing and I cant hear the noisefloor with sidetone on.
Wish this had 7.1
7.1 is just marketing, it doesn’t enhance audio quality in a positive way
First :-)
Turn off that auto focus.
They constantly disconnect in 2.4 mode. Don't buy this garbage.
You just confirmed my fear since I bought a pair without knowing this and you're right. Bluetooth works flawlessly their 2.4 ghz dongle works like absolute trash and will be returning them unfortunate because they sound great.
@@bspinnfade Bluetooth is even worse. Try listening to RUclips and serf chrome at the same time. They will disconnect.
@@neolynxer I have yet to have that problem at all on Bluetooth on my Mac but thanks for sharing.
@@brianandreasen2200 that was about Bluetooth on mobile (Android) .
@@neolynxer I've done marathon programming sessions with them over bluetooth never had an issue. Ended up returning them and got a different brand of headphones.
Is silly to take a gaming headset, and then review it for music applications. It's for gaming, leave it at that.
I want great sound, great mic, great comfort and great wireless connectivity. I don't care if its marketed for gamers or audiophiles.
Rude and speak for ur self
No. They're expensive, so buying a separate set for just music isn't something a lot of people are going to entertain. Knowing of they perform for both functions is useful. Also they're wireless so portability and listening to music on the go is a plus, especially for a planar magnetic design and especially for Audeze.
I'm waaaaaay more interested in this for music applications away from home. Pretending a closed back headset with a shit wireless mic will beat my open backs and a dedicated wired mic is hilarious.