Yeah but that was before they laid of lots of staff and they had support and funding from Activision, lastly remember that it took 3 separate studios to finish Reignited.
@@UltimatePerfection Yeah 3 games that they didn't have to make from scratch, all 3 games were already designed, written, composed etc they simply had to put a new paint on them, creating a whole new game from nothing takes way much effort.
If we're reading between the tea leaves, I feel like it's very likely that there was a conflict between Activision and Toys For Bob. We already saw in the past how nonchalant Activision were about dissolving studios (Vicarious Visions) as well as other issues and complaints people have alluded to. Being able to work directly with Microsoft is far better IMO.
To add to this, when Activision started getting numerous lawsuits in July 2021, an alliance against the Activision heads formed, called A Better ABK. As far as I know, among the development groups as a whole, Toys for Bob was the only developer under Activision to publicly announce their support for A Better ABK.
Wait.... What the hell happened to VV?, DID THEY SHUT DOWN?!?, i wasn't following with the news as much as before and I really don't know what's going on, I hope nothing happened to them, they are a really good studio.
@krash2 Well, nobody stepped up and admitted to those crimes, and even then, due to privacy policies, the names of all people who have been found guilty will never be released to the public. Also, it's safe to assume that everyone who was laid off is innocent, meaning that those who are guilty are still working with Activision!
Me too, this is my last year of waiting. After this year & no new Spyro game I will stop searching & building their hype engagement + views so TFB will lose more popularity. I will take it as they don't respect their supporters by at least clearly announce what they're working on - Spyro 4. Why can't they tell us but instead can only give us annoying hints as if they will get in trouble for sharing news. God of War & other game developers announce instead of playing teasing games with their fans. I don't understand this unnecessary teasing smh
I think that Toys For Bob has given us a hint on what they’re working next. All of these hints will give us speculation on what Toys For Bob are working next. I’m glad that Toys For Bob is now an indie studio. What ever they make, I hope it’s a good one.
That's all they do is give stupid hints, I'm tired of being teased! Just be honest & respectful with your loyal fans! This is my last year I will give them!
@@joshuadansby2874 do you want a silksong situation?, of a game being anounced and taking 5 years without any release?. In general the way to do it is that you need to actually have a good timeframe for release before you anounce a game.
I'm more open to seeing an original IP from Toys for Bob. Though it would be hilarious if Toys for Bob became the go-to studio to license out 3D platformer remakes to now. Crash, Spyro, Jak, Sly, Croc, Gex... The list goes on!
I really do hope that we can get a new Spyro game, just like we got with Crash Bandicoot 4: It's about time. + with this being the year of the dragon, & all the clues or hints, & keep your horns on really does give me confidence, so until an official statement that actually states their's no Spyro game, I'm still going to believe that their will be 1. Sometimes it does feel like a "Now or Never" situation.
- Age of Empires 4 was made by Relic Entertainment which is owned by Sega. - Flight Simulator 2023/24 was made by Asobo which is Indie. - OD is being made by Kojima Productions which is indie. Killer Instinct (2013) was made by Double Helix Games with Iron Galaxy taking over for season 2 and 3. Iron Galaxy also did the Series X/S version that released on November 2023. Both are third party studios.
This is the last yes I will have my hopes up. I'm growing tired of these teasing & hints as if they all will go to jail for just simply tell us that they're working on Spyro 4
@@sabbatik Oh I remember! ❤️ It’s true, AI will never compete with the Humanity that creators like CGE bring to the picture. ChatGPT is soulless and it’s obvious whenever someone uses it to write a script.
basically the partnership between TFB & MS could be like how Nintendo has their partners, like for example with Hal labs, next level games (before being bought) and even Game Freak
It's great news that Toys for Bob is indie and away from Activision. I wouldn't be surprised if down the road Microsoft buys Toys for Bob and have them be under Xbox, which would still be huge since Xbox lets studios have free reign. I'm not saying it'll happened but it's a possibility since MS was supportive of them leaving. Also wouldnt be surprised if Toys for Bob remakes Banjo Kazooie.
One thing I will say. It is very likely that the "Possible" in "Possible partnership" is likely TFB just covering their bases. Like, hypothetically their odds of landing a contract with Microsoft is 95%, but there'd still be that 5% chance that the deal falls through whether that be TFB asking for too much money, or Microsoft wanting TFB to cut corners by outsourcing to cheap labor.
I sure hope that Toys for Bob can make Spyro 4. I hope they make it be a good quality game too. I enjoyed Crash Bandicoot 4 it's about time so I think if Toys for Bob tries hard enough they can make Spyro 4 be a good game too. I love Crash Bandicoot, but I would like to see Spyro kind of catch up to him in number of games made. I don't want to rush them but I hold Crash and Spyro equally in my heart so it would be a shame if Spyro was left in Crash Bandicoot's dust forever instead of them being equals.
In my opinion it would be great, at least for me, if Toys for Bob would first release a remake of Spyro A Hero's Tail and then they would have more time to create Spyro 4 and then release it !
If TFB are going to be developing Spyro in the future then we’ve come all the way back to being at a place similar to the Insomniac-Universal situation, which I think is quite funny.
This would be amazing news for Spyro if that's true. I've been hoping for a title release at the very least this year; Spyro deserves better treatment but at least he's getting something this year...
Just giving people an heads up that MS could lock up Crash and Spyro on Xbox ecosystem. Phil spencer the head of Xbox when he acquired Bethesda studio games, he cancelled Starfield PS5 version. Phil could do the same with Crash and Spyro. The contract deal that Sony signed is just for Call of Duty btw. Not other Acitvision games since Jim Ryan refused to sign the original deal in 2022 which included all games.
@@batosaims Xbox isn't going TP. Like, at all. What they are going is releasing games that where previously released on Xbox on other platforms, after they have done their job as "exclusives" What that means is that Spyro 4 is probably going to be Xbox exclusive for 1+ years, and then MAYBE it will come to Playstation. As for the Switch, this is hard to tell, they have a different contract.
@@batosaimsPlaystation also released games on Xbox and now PC day 1. Dont mean they are now 3rd party 🤷🏻♂️they already announce múltiple exclusives for this year alone.
See? Indie seems to be the way to go, it's risky but it seems worth it especially if people already know your name. The revenue might be tiny at first, but it's something you can build on. This principle can apply to anyone just starting out. Indie games have grown in popularity in recent years.
Thanks to Spyro Reignited Trilogy, i got into Toys For Bob. I can say myself i am a fan of Toys for Bob, even though i do hate how the...how Crash 4 is with how to complete the game. Yeah i have some major scares from the game but i can say for me i am on board for Toys for Bob being a Indie.
Yeah but see here's my concern. Even if Toys for Bob develops a new Spyro game as an independent developer, would Microsoft still mandate that the new game is exclusive to their platform? I would honestly hope that Microsoft would not do that. I would hope they would do a timed exclusivity on thing the Xbox for a year like they did with Rise of the Tomb Raider, but nothing more beyond that. I still play my Crash and Spyro games on PlayStation and I don't particularly have any interest in switching platforms because of who owns the rights of a particular IP
It will be Xbox Exclusive. The real question is: for how much? Probably is either ever o 1+ years. Still, the game is going to be Gamepass day one, and probably also on the Cloud, wich is awesome.
@@ricln5464 If it's a timed exclusive, I don't care that much. That's more or less what I would expect from Microsoft even though it kinda sucks. I would have a much bigger problem with them if they made it permanently exclusive to Xbox because Microsoft has absolutely no business owning the Crash and Spyro IPs
@@ricln5464 I would feel much more comfortable if a company like THQ Nordic owned Crash and Spyro. They tend to make pretty good games, but really any 3rd party developer should be the ones that own those franchises
@@ttewelow1 Oh that's a way to see it. But they are extremely pricy (since you need to buy Activision as a whole). The alternative to Xbox was probably Amazon, Google or Tencent. They are WAY worse. Still, the future of gaming is in the Cloud. So is nice that they are owned by a Company that will be a main actor in the Cloud Gaming market. And all their games are going to gamepass too
This isn't a surprising answer, companies do this all the time, depending on the company really, for Microsoft's case, as CGE said in the video they worked with an Indie studio to bring back Battletoads so it's not like it's out of the question, also as soon as that post of Toys For Bob saying they are going indie and outright saying they are going to be collaborating with Microsoft in the future on top of the wording that teased a certain purple dragon it's likely they are still full steam ahead on making Spyro 4 like they never left, not to mention being free of being an underling to a big company can bring a bit more safety to TFB as to avoid being part of the usual layoffs and studio closures that have been happening in the industry as of late is always a win. Plus I think they will be fine and considering the contract process that TFB is under, Microsoft is the middle man between TFB and Activision which is a good thing considering their alleged bad blood between them and Activision executives in the past.
There's something really important to think about. Like REALLY important. That new game that is already in development, was probably financed with Xbox/Activision moneys. That means that tecnically, that's an Xbox owned game, i think. Like they cant take the money and run, the game was under a contract.
I'm surprised no one is talking about this. Microsoft would have to seek collaboration with Toys for Bob for a new Spyro game in order for that development team to begin the operation. It kind of depends on your stance with Microsoft so far with their current IPs and their status now.
Okay, we know that they can do it, but there is another side to it. Will they have the budget to do it now that they are indie? Doing Spyro with its big worlds seems like a way bigger thing than for example Crash game
If we are talking from a legal standpoint, while I am not an authority on the matter I do know a little about it. I believe, and don't quote me on this in case I am wrong and if anyone can shed some more light on it and correct me be my guest, that is TfB had the rights to create a "Spyro 4" game before going indie they would retain those rights for the term set in the contract which they no doubt had to sign. As such so long as they are actively trying to make a new Spyro game they have every right to do so, so long as they adhere to the terms set forth by Activision and they don't abandon or cancel the project. Again I believe this is the case, it may well not be. If the debate is whether or not they can with a much smaller team and all working from home, well it remains to be seen, but we have seen some pretty stellar games come from smaller teams working from home with little to no budget to speak of so there is no reason to doubt a still reasonably sized studio with a fairly high benchmark for quality like TfB, the occasional dud not withstanding.
No, since they laid of bunch of staff and it took 3 studios to finish Reignited. Plus Activision wouldn't trust their IP with a small third party developer.
at this point I've given up on Spyro 4. I'm giving it til the end of 2025. if spyro 4 isn't even announced or hinted at by the developers, then goodbye spyro, unfortunately.
💀🐎 It's time to put down the stick. This doesn't need to exist. If people can't figure something so obvious out for themselves they deserve to be in the dark.
Spyro still in Activision, not Xbox. Xbox owns them not fully comtrol franchise. I don't trush the way reference waiting years later like never happened
Wow, Microsoft actually had to seek help from a third-party developer to make the new Battletoads? I didn't know that. Rare really *is* dead... what good was Microsoft even buying them in the first place? :/
Rare has no interest in returning to old IPs and wants to continue work on new IPs, such as Sea of Thieves and Everwild. It's like what Edna Mode said: "I never look back, darling. It distracts me from the now."
They also said: "We can't wait to share updates on our *new adventure* as an indie studio". Never underestimate the possibility that Toys for Bob's next project is a new IP just because you read: "Horns".
I believe they will, it's kinda pointing to them making a Spyro 4 and it has been for several years. The acquisition of Activision from Microsoft shitbox is definitely fucking things up and no one's seems to care or even talks about it but anyway. Even all the talks you had with the head of TFB it's basically a small indication that's its been happening for a awhile without saying much but literally says everything. I can almost guarantee you it's happening.
Asobo studio makes flight sim and they are not a first party studio Insomniac made spider man for PlayStation and tgey were not first party Arrow head made Helldivers 2 although they are third party they worked on a PlayStation Ip Moon studios made ori, ori ip is xbox’s and moon studio is a indie ip. So of course toys for bob can continue to make crash and Spyro.
Theoretically? Yes, Toys for Bob could continue to work on Spyro 4 because 5 bucks says they were working on Spyro 4 beforehand. Now is it the likely to happen? Hell probably has a better chance of being flooded with apple juice or Todd Howard would finally admit that Fallout New Vegas is better than Fallout 3 and 4 then Toys for Bob continuing to work on Spyro 4.
I lost mine the moment Microsoft announced they were buying Activision in the first place. Their ruination of Rare showed that being bought by them is the kiss of death for game studios. Toys For Bob got off lucky.
@@googamp32 I suppose you forgot that when they acquired Minecraft, it remained available on other consoles. Microsoft is not the same company it was when they acquired Rare. 😂
They ain't paying money for a remake of a game series the majority of fans hated. 😅 What a passive aggressive comment haha its not the remake he wanted it was the remake we all wanted besides the next game will most likely not be a remake it'll be a brand new game... yanno spyro 4?
majority where? majority of the comments of og spyro fans platforms like canadian guy? he and his fans are not the majority. also all spyro fans should have a say in this not just some of yall. also i think its so weird how such a good story, soundtracks and characters goes to waste bcs ppl are ungreatful and have bad taste. if u dont like legend of spyro sure, but yall have no right to always speak over legend fans., whats why i dont like u ppl @@harley202
@nicokitty5522 you do understand the term right? That doesn't even make sense. 😅 The community don't need someone to speak for them as they themselves endlessly posted back then they wanted a remake for spyro 1 to 3 and as soon as that was done all you saw was spyro 4 questions everywhere not legends. I understand you like it but the majority of the community have never liked it, all it takes is a quick youtube search or Google to see how much the legends series wasn't very well liked. 😅
@@harley202 it was liked just not by you people. Yes y’all do speak over others. Everytime. just bcs its not as popular doesnt mean it doesnt have a big fanbase. A fanbase that og spyro fans have 0 respect for at all. there was supposed to be a legend movie years ago that didnt happen. you think they would make that movie if the games didnt have a fanbase? the only bad thing ive heard about the games is the combat and nothing else, something they can easly fix. the story, soundtrack and characters are soo good and y’all wanna waste it to never be seen again, thats selfish. But ppl still want cynder to return in spyro 4.. y’all want parts of the game but nothing else. and if that happens before legend remake me and others will be pissed bcs then they will probably fk up the whole legend canon story. thats why a remake is important before any new spyro games, at least if they gonna bring some legend characters in the new games. Otherwise they should give the ip to someone who actually CARES. If u think a remake would make bad money then youre WRONG bcs they can only improve and make the game better and fix the combat.
If they can't it's good news for me, personally. I've never liked their work on either Crash or Spyro. I didn't like Reignited or Crash 4. Neither really felt tonally accurate to me. They were too cute and bouncy for the most part, but I do feel bad for everybody who enjoyed those games and wanted to see more.
I still think that people are too hopeful simply because Microsoft has a history of screwing over a-lot of their older IPS and just not caring about the ones they do recently acquire. Microsoft could easily compete with alot of first party titles if they actually cared to try it without even acquiring more studios. I wouldn't put any stock in any kind of contract that a third-party studio would work out with them for any of them and i will be skeptical that it's a spyro 4 game. Banjo Kazooie And Conker are testimants to just how little microsoft cares about them, then you have the fiasco that was Halo Infinite too. What happened to gears of war? They have a mountain of dead intellectual properties. They Killed the Killer Instinct franchise. even if a spyro game does come out with everything that has happened I do not have high hopes, I imagine tight constraints in the contract.
I agree on some of the things you said. I find that most of the time, Microsoft only cares about IPs that generate them a lot of money, I.E. Minecraft, CoD, and now probably World of Warcraft. Even if that’s the case, Phil had to have seen that Spyro sold 10Mil copies worldwide so I have at least some hope that they’re not going to say “ya **** you we’re just going to put this IP in the dumpster”. I don’t really care if it’s a little different than Spyro 3, as long as it’s some continuation from the original 3, I’d buy it I a heartbeat. I really want to see a game where we have the original characters all together fighting a major threat (minus Agent 9 because HE DOESN’T SHUT UP). If it’s a remake of Enter the Dragonfly, then ya, I’m done.
After this year & no new Spyro game I will stop searching & building their hype engagement + views so TFB will lose more popularity. I will take it as they don't respect their supporters by at least clearly announce what they're working on - Spyro 4. Why can't they tell us but instead can only give us annoying hints as if they will get in trouble for sharing news. God of War & other game developers announce instead of playing teasing games with their fans. I don't understand this unnecessary teasing smh
They made Crash 4 at their own individual homes during the pandemic for crying out loud. They do this no problem in my opinion
I think a huge chunk of Crash 4 was probably already done by the time the pandemic hit, but yes, they can definitely do this.
Yeah but that was before they laid of lots of staff and they had support and funding from Activision, lastly remember that it took 3 separate studios to finish Reignited.
@@Sevent77 That's because Reignited is basically 3 games in one.
@@UltimatePerfection Yeah 3 games that they didn't have to make from scratch, all 3 games were already designed, written, composed etc they simply had to put a new paint on them, creating a whole new game from nothing takes way much effort.
No... That's not it at all... @Sevent77
If we're reading between the tea leaves, I feel like it's very likely that there was a conflict between Activision and Toys For Bob. We already saw in the past how nonchalant Activision were about dissolving studios (Vicarious Visions) as well as other issues and complaints people have alluded to. Being able to work directly with Microsoft is far better IMO.
To add to this, when Activision started getting numerous lawsuits in July 2021, an alliance against the Activision heads formed, called A Better ABK. As far as I know, among the development groups as a whole, Toys for Bob was the only developer under Activision to publicly announce their support for A Better ABK.
Wait.... What the hell happened to VV?, DID THEY SHUT DOWN?!?, i wasn't following with the news as much as before and I really don't know what's going on, I hope nothing happened to them, they are a really good studio.
@@krash2 They were absorbed into Blizzard. Rumor has it that some members were also involved in Sexual allegations as well.
@@X2011racer I really hope the rumors aren't true 😢
@krash2 Well, nobody stepped up and admitted to those crimes, and even then, due to privacy policies, the names of all people who have been found guilty will never be released to the public.
Also, it's safe to assume that everyone who was laid off is innocent, meaning that those who are guilty are still working with Activision!
Im so tired waiting for Spyro 4! Its been almost 6 years since the trilogy! 6 years!!
Me too, this is my last year of waiting. After this year & no new Spyro game I will stop searching & building their hype engagement + views so TFB will lose more popularity. I will take it as they don't respect their supporters by at least clearly announce what they're working on - Spyro 4. Why can't they tell us but instead can only give us annoying hints as if they will get in trouble for sharing news. God of War & other game developers announce instead of playing teasing games with their fans. I don't understand this unnecessary teasing smh
Imagine how tired the legend of spyro fans are then.
Me too
I am praying for Skylanders tbh
Bro replay the trilogy. I am on The beginning of year of the dragon again.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop CCE
It brings me Joy that toys for bob broke free from the Call of duty jail
more like Call of duty mine
It’s sucks that we could’ve had a Spyro 4 by now if they weren’t forced to work on Cod a few years back
I think that Toys For Bob has given us a hint on what they’re working next. All of these hints will give us speculation on what Toys For Bob are working next. I’m glad that Toys For Bob is now an indie studio. What ever they make, I hope it’s a good one.
That's all they do is give stupid hints, I'm tired of being teased!
Just be honest & respectful with your loyal fans!
This is my last year I will give them!
@@joshuadansby2874 do you want a silksong situation?, of a game being anounced and taking 5 years without any release?. In general the way to do it is that you need to actually have a good timeframe for release before you anounce a game.
Yes master
I'm more open to seeing an original IP from Toys for Bob. Though it would be hilarious if Toys for Bob became the go-to studio to license out 3D platformer remakes to now. Crash, Spyro, Jak, Sly, Croc, Gex... The list goes on!
Dude a Toys for Bob Banjo Kazooie game would be amazing. So I'm down with Tous for Bob remaking old 3D platformers
I really do hope that we can get a new Spyro game, just like we got with Crash Bandicoot 4: It's about time.
+ with this being the year of the dragon, & all the clues or hints, & keep your horns on really does give me confidence, so until an official statement that actually states their's no Spyro game, I'm still going to believe that their will be 1.
Sometimes it does feel like a "Now or Never" situation.
The idea of Spyro being an indie game is actually very cool. Indie games seem very popular these days. I’ve even been playing some myself.
I hear ya, dude. I ❤ indie games.
Meh. I actually miss when actual companies made games... No Kickstarter ni cheap mobile game look etc...
- Age of Empires 4 was made by Relic Entertainment which is owned by Sega.
- Flight Simulator 2023/24 was made by Asobo which is Indie.
- OD is being made by Kojima Productions which is indie.
Killer Instinct (2013) was made by Double Helix Games with Iron Galaxy taking over for season 2 and 3. Iron Galaxy also did the Series X/S version that released on November 2023. Both are third party studios.
Let's hope Spyro 4 would be made someday... 🙏
I'll keep my hopes up.
This is the last yes I will have my hopes up. I'm growing tired of these teasing & hints as if they all will go to jail for just simply tell us that they're working on Spyro 4
I remember watching the pre-production of this vid as you made it in ur stream ❤
Hey I remember you. You wrote lots of wholesome comments.
@@sabbatik Thx 😊 at first I thought u we’re being sarcastic 🤣
@@Sophia_P999 Noooo, I remember you saying AI can never replace the humanity when it comes to making videos
@@sabbatik Oh I remember! ❤️ It’s true, AI will never compete with the Humanity that creators like CGE bring to the picture. ChatGPT is soulless and it’s obvious whenever someone uses it to write a script.
Same!
If Obsidian can make Fallout New Vegas for Bethesda without being owned by them, then Toys For Bob can make Spyro and Crash for Microsoft.
Great video, CGE. I hope we'll get a new Spyro game sometime in the future.
Me too but hope in near future (this year). I wonder why they cannot tell us that they are working on it instead of giving hints..
They could do it in a similar way to how Killer Instinct 2013 happened. First party IP but third party developer.
basically the partnership between TFB & MS could be like how Nintendo has their partners, like for example with Hal labs, next level games (before being bought) and even Game Freak
@notaadamritim First-party studio now
It's great news that Toys for Bob is indie and away from Activision. I wouldn't be surprised if down the road Microsoft buys Toys for Bob and have them be under Xbox, which would still be huge since Xbox lets studios have free reign. I'm not saying it'll happened but it's a possibility since MS was supportive of them leaving. Also wouldnt be surprised if Toys for Bob remakes Banjo Kazooie.
One thing I will say. It is very likely that the "Possible" in "Possible partnership" is likely TFB just covering their bases. Like, hypothetically their odds of landing a contract with Microsoft is 95%, but there'd still be that 5% chance that the deal falls through whether that be TFB asking for too much money, or Microsoft wanting TFB to cut corners by outsourcing to cheap labor.
He also writes ‘updates on our new adventure’ which could be another spyro ref!
It doesn't sound like one to me. Sounds more like an original IP is in the works.
Who was there in the background when CGE was filming this video during his work live stream?
Where would I watch my Spyro news if not here? Thank you!
I sure hope that Toys for Bob can make Spyro 4. I hope they make it be a good quality game too. I enjoyed Crash Bandicoot 4 it's about time so I think if Toys for Bob tries hard enough they can make Spyro 4 be a good game too. I love Crash Bandicoot, but I would like to see Spyro kind of catch up to him in number of games made. I don't want to rush them but I hold Crash and Spyro equally in my heart so it would be a shame if Spyro was left in Crash Bandicoot's dust forever instead of them being equals.
In my opinion it would be great, at least for me, if Toys for Bob would first release a remake of Spyro A Hero's Tail and then they would have more time to create Spyro 4 and then release it !
Wonder when spyro 4 will come out
If TFB are going to be developing Spyro in the future then we’ve come all the way back to being at a place similar to the Insomniac-Universal situation, which I think is quite funny.
Great analytical video!
Who owns the rights to Spyro and Crash after TOB went indie? Activision or TOB?
Activision possibly
This would be amazing news for Spyro if that's true. I've been hoping for a title release at the very least this year; Spyro deserves better treatment but at least he's getting something this year...
Just giving people an heads up that MS could lock up Crash and Spyro on Xbox ecosystem. Phil spencer the head of Xbox when he acquired Bethesda studio games, he cancelled Starfield PS5 version. Phil could do the same with Crash and Spyro.
The contract deal that Sony signed is just for Call of Duty btw. Not other Acitvision games since Jim Ryan refused to sign the original deal in 2022 which included all games.
Microsoft is pretty much going third party now, they just released a bunch of their games on Nintendo and Playstation
xbox own the ips they can do what they want with them.
@@batosaims Xbox isn't going TP. Like, at all. What they are going is releasing games that where previously released on Xbox on other platforms, after they have done their job as "exclusives"
What that means is that Spyro 4 is probably going to be Xbox exclusive for 1+ years, and then MAYBE it will come to Playstation.
As for the Switch, this is hard to tell, they have a different contract.
We know, Lets hope its exclusive lol
@@batosaimsPlaystation also released games on Xbox and now PC day 1. Dont mean they are now 3rd party 🤷🏻♂️they already announce múltiple exclusives for this year alone.
Sonic Mania was made by an indie studio as well.
the fact spyro 4 hasn't even been started is alarming
A man can only dream for another Insomniac Spyro.
Doubt they would give the rights back to them though
it was really cool to see you make the video on stream. so with them also being an indie studio, can they technically be bought out again?
The quote "hold your horns, here comes Spyro!" potentially has a new meaning.
I couldn't help myself. I had to hit the like button as fast as possible when i saw the video! 😁👍
Whether it's actual Spyro or Legally Distinct Spyro™, I am sure it will be a great game.
See? Indie seems to be the way to go, it's risky but it seems worth it especially if people already know your name. The revenue might be tiny at first, but it's something you can build on. This principle can apply to anyone just starting out. Indie games have grown in popularity in recent years.
A little unrelated, but do we know if crash rumble earned back the money used on development?
Also, fingers crossed for Spyro 4
Thanks to Spyro Reignited Trilogy, i got into Toys For Bob. I can say myself i am a fan of Toys for Bob, even though i do hate how the...how Crash 4 is with how to complete the game. Yeah i have some major scares from the game but i can say for me i am on board for Toys for Bob being a Indie.
"Hold your honns...here comes Spyro!" Spyro CTR NF. Spyro 4 possibly?
Does anyone remember the game Pandemonium from the playstation 1 era?
Honestly I can't tell the different between an indie and triple AAA titles anymore so yeah that's probably even better for them imo.
Yeah but see here's my concern. Even if Toys for Bob develops a new Spyro game as an independent developer, would Microsoft still mandate that the new game is exclusive to their platform? I would honestly hope that Microsoft would not do that. I would hope they would do a timed exclusivity on thing the Xbox for a year like they did with Rise of the Tomb Raider, but nothing more beyond that. I still play my Crash and Spyro games on PlayStation and I don't particularly have any interest in switching platforms because of who owns the rights of a particular IP
It will be Xbox Exclusive. The real question is: for how much?
Probably is either ever o 1+ years.
Still, the game is going to be Gamepass day one, and probably also on the Cloud, wich is awesome.
@@ricln5464 If it's a timed exclusive, I don't care that much. That's more or less what I would expect from Microsoft even though it kinda sucks. I would have a much bigger problem with them if they made it permanently exclusive to Xbox because Microsoft has absolutely no business owning the Crash and Spyro IPs
@@ttewelow1 "Microsoft has no business owning Crash and Spyro"
I mean, who does? Lol. They bought them, they own them.
@@ricln5464 I would feel much more comfortable if a company like THQ Nordic owned Crash and Spyro. They tend to make pretty good games, but really any 3rd party developer should be the ones that own those franchises
@@ttewelow1 Oh that's a way to see it. But they are extremely pricy (since you need to buy Activision as a whole).
The alternative to Xbox was probably Amazon, Google or Tencent. They are WAY worse.
Still, the future of gaming is in the Cloud. So is nice that they are owned by a Company that will be a main actor in the Cloud Gaming market. And all their games are going to gamepass too
Or can Toys for Bob mane a Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie remastered and maybe Banjo-Threeie
a lot of us on xbox was hoping this studio aswell as beenox would of been making the spyro crash and banjo games.
If Beenox was the choice hope they go more of a Vicarious Visions style
Killer Instinct revival as well. Another ip owned by Rare that was third party developed
Its so weird that your intro are my two favorite games. Final fantasy 7 and Spyro
Hopefully this would work that toys for bob can keep making games by partnering Xbox . I want new games soon
Thank you for the great video CGE!😄💜
The problem with this is that Battle Toads had a mixed review due to bad redesign
This isn't a surprising answer, companies do this all the time, depending on the company really, for Microsoft's case, as CGE said in the video they worked with an Indie studio to bring back Battletoads so it's not like it's out of the question, also as soon as that post of Toys For Bob saying they are going indie and outright saying they are going to be collaborating with Microsoft in the future on top of the wording that teased a certain purple dragon it's likely they are still full steam ahead on making Spyro 4 like they never left, not to mention being free of being an underling to a big company can bring a bit more safety to TFB as to avoid being part of the usual layoffs and studio closures that have been happening in the industry as of late is always a win. Plus I think they will be fine and considering the contract process that TFB is under, Microsoft is the middle man between TFB and Activision which is a good thing considering their alleged bad blood between them and Activision executives in the past.
Toys For Bob beat the system. They can work on Crash and Spyro still, but don't have to be under Activision.
You gotta Believee hehe
There's something really important to think about. Like REALLY important. That new game that is already in development, was probably financed with Xbox/Activision moneys. That means that tecnically, that's an Xbox owned game, i think. Like they cant take the money and run, the game was under a contract.
Hold on to your horns is obviously a hint towards a jazz band bout to play in there next game.
I'm surprised no one is talking about this. Microsoft would have to seek collaboration with Toys for Bob for a new Spyro game in order for that development team to begin the operation. It kind of depends on your stance with Microsoft so far with their current IPs and their status now.
Okay, we know that they can do it, but there is another side to it. Will they have the budget to do it now that they are indie? Doing Spyro with its big worlds seems like a way bigger thing than for example Crash game
No they dont. That Is why the publisher (xbox) Will pay for the development, like any 2nd party stuff
Lets hope Microsoft is more sensible than EA, already commented on this somewhere, but don’t let this become another American mcgee’s Alice
If Activision still owns Spyro, then it's not likely.
Xbox/Microsoft OWNS Spyro.
If we are talking from a legal standpoint, while I am not an authority on the matter I do know a little about it. I believe, and don't quote me on this in case I am wrong and if anyone can shed some more light on it and correct me be my guest, that is TfB had the rights to create a "Spyro 4" game before going indie they would retain those rights for the term set in the contract which they no doubt had to sign. As such so long as they are actively trying to make a new Spyro game they have every right to do so, so long as they adhere to the terms set forth by Activision and they don't abandon or cancel the project. Again I believe this is the case, it may well not be.
If the debate is whether or not they can with a much smaller team and all working from home, well it remains to be seen, but we have seen some pretty stellar games come from smaller teams working from home with little to no budget to speak of so there is no reason to doubt a still reasonably sized studio with a fairly high benchmark for quality like TfB, the occasional dud not withstanding.
Even if Toys For Bob do the developing, will Activision still do the publishing?
Probably not at this point. Is going to be published by Xbox (under the Xbox Game Studios Publishing)
No, since they laid of bunch of staff and it took 3 studios to finish Reignited.
Plus Activision wouldn't trust their IP with a small third party developer.
Yes, but can they make it so that it’s not brutally difficult?
Maybe if they could make Sly Cooper remaster
I hopes its skylanders 7
Yes, end of video
at this point I've given up on Spyro 4. I'm giving it til the end of 2025. if spyro 4 isn't even announced or hinted at by the developers, then goodbye spyro, unfortunately.
You gotta believe
Quick! Someone tell Raven they can go indie and get out of the Call of Duty mines!
I have played Spyro since I was 4 I want spyro 4 I loved the new spyro
They can get a license from Microsoft to do this
Only with a 2nd party deal, they dont have the money for a license
Please let it be true. All what you said.
Hopes for crash team rumble maybe???
Cпайро 4 пал жертвой капитализма... Однажды жадность погубит человечество.
💀🐎 It's time to put down the stick. This doesn't need to exist. If people can't figure something so obvious out for themselves they deserve to be in the dark.
Spyro still in Activision, not Xbox. Xbox owns them not fully comtrol franchise. I don't trush the way reference waiting years later like never happened
Wow, Microsoft actually had to seek help from a third-party developer to make the new Battletoads? I didn't know that. Rare really *is* dead... what good was Microsoft even buying them in the first place? :/
Rare has no interest in returning to old IPs and wants to continue work on new IPs, such as Sea of Thieves and Everwild.
It's like what Edna Mode said: "I never look back, darling. It distracts me from the now."
They also said: "We can't wait to share updates on our *new adventure* as an indie studio".
Never underestimate the possibility that Toys for Bob's next project is a new IP just because you read: "Horns".
Probably just waiting for a new console 😅
Will Toys For Bob Remaster DreamWork's Madagascar someday?
Very unlikely, but that was a fun game!
I believe they will, it's kinda pointing to them making a Spyro 4 and it has been for several years. The acquisition of Activision from Microsoft shitbox is definitely fucking things up and no one's seems to care or even talks about it but anyway. Even all the talks you had with the head of TFB it's basically a small indication that's its been happening for a awhile without saying much but literally says everything. I can almost guarantee you it's happening.
Yeah, you can get a 2D side scroller mobile game. lol
Bring skylanders back after spyro 4, please? Because I want it so bad😭😭😭😭
I wonder what this means for the future of Skylanders as well?
Why do you say that?.
Skylanders spyro and crash they are ok
I think you're right!😢
LETS GOOOO NEW CGE VIDEO
This endless speculation is killing me im so close to giving up
Asobo studio makes flight sim and they are not a first party studio
Insomniac made spider man for PlayStation and tgey were not first party
Arrow head made Helldivers 2 although they are third party they worked on a PlayStation Ip
Moon studios made ori, ori ip is xbox’s and moon studio is a indie ip.
So of course toys for bob can continue to make crash and Spyro.
Insomniac is 1st Party. Sony just bought them not too long ago.
ENOUGH with the lame ass Fortnite advertisements!! I just want to watch the video!
Theoretically? Yes, Toys for Bob could continue to work on Spyro 4 because 5 bucks says they were working on Spyro 4 beforehand. Now is it the likely to happen? Hell probably has a better chance of being flooded with apple juice or Todd Howard would finally admit that Fallout New Vegas is better than Fallout 3 and 4 then Toys for Bob continuing to work on Spyro 4.
Thay cant toys for bob is now stuck to working on cod
I have completely lost hope for Spyro 4😢
Well don’t.
I lost mine the moment Microsoft announced they were buying Activision in the first place. Their ruination of Rare showed that being bought by them is the kiss of death for game studios. Toys For Bob got off lucky.
@@googamp32 Just be optimistic for once for God’s sake.
@@googamp32 I suppose you forgot that when they acquired Minecraft, it remained available on other consoles. Microsoft is not the same company it was when they acquired Rare. 😂
@@googamp32 Just be optimistic for once.
You mean legend of spyro remake? Bcs STOP talking about what you want all the time. You got your remake, now its our turn.
They ain't paying money for a remake of a game series the majority of fans hated. 😅
What a passive aggressive comment haha its not the remake he wanted it was the remake we all wanted besides the next game will most likely not be a remake it'll be a brand new game... yanno spyro 4?
majority where? majority of the comments of og spyro fans platforms like canadian guy? he and his fans are not the majority. also all spyro fans should have a say in this not just some of yall. also i think its so weird how such a good story, soundtracks and characters goes to waste bcs ppl are ungreatful and have bad taste. if u dont like legend of spyro sure, but yall have no right to always speak over legend fans., whats why i dont like u ppl
@@harley202
passsive aggressive?? say you guys who always try to speak for the whole fandom.@@harley202
@nicokitty5522 you do understand the term right? That doesn't even make sense. 😅
The community don't need someone to speak for them as they themselves endlessly posted back then they wanted a remake for spyro 1 to 3 and as soon as that was done all you saw was spyro 4 questions everywhere not legends.
I understand you like it but the majority of the community have never liked it, all it takes is a quick youtube search or Google to see how much the legends series wasn't very well liked. 😅
@@harley202 it was liked just not by you people. Yes y’all do speak over others. Everytime. just bcs its not as popular doesnt mean it doesnt have a big fanbase. A fanbase that og spyro fans have 0 respect for at all. there was supposed to be a legend movie years ago that didnt happen. you think they would make that movie if the games didnt have a fanbase? the only bad thing ive heard about the games is the combat and nothing else, something they can easly fix. the story, soundtrack and characters are soo good and y’all wanna waste it to never be seen again, thats selfish. But ppl still want cynder to return in spyro 4.. y’all want parts of the game but nothing else. and if that happens before legend remake me and others will be pissed bcs then they will probably fk up the whole legend canon story. thats why a remake is important before any new spyro games, at least if they gonna bring some legend characters in the new games. Otherwise they should give the ip to someone who actually CARES. If u think a remake would make bad money then youre WRONG bcs they can only improve and make the game better and fix the combat.
Will Crash Team rumble get revived by Toys for bob? Anyways it's my birthday Today!🎂🥳
That would defeat the purpose of ending the support to the game
@crashtefano well Toys for Bob wanted to do more with Rumble but because of the layoffs they has no choice but stop supporting it
another channel happily contradicting its own direct statements back to back.
If they can't it's good news for me, personally. I've never liked their work on either Crash or Spyro. I didn't like Reignited or Crash 4. Neither really felt tonally accurate to me. They were too cute and bouncy for the most part, but I do feel bad for everybody who enjoyed those games and wanted to see more.
I still think that people are too hopeful simply because Microsoft has a history of screwing over a-lot of their older IPS and just not caring about the ones they do recently acquire. Microsoft could easily compete with alot of first party titles if they actually cared to try it without even acquiring more studios.
I wouldn't put any stock in any kind of contract that a third-party studio would work out with them for any of them and i will be skeptical that it's a spyro 4 game. Banjo Kazooie And Conker are testimants to just how little microsoft cares about them, then you have the fiasco that was Halo Infinite too. What happened to gears of war? They have a mountain of dead intellectual properties. They Killed the Killer Instinct franchise.
even if a spyro game does come out with everything that has happened I do not have high hopes, I imagine tight constraints in the contract.
Well some of us, myself included, feel that people like you aren’t being hopeful enough.
I agree on some of the things you said. I find that most of the time, Microsoft only cares about IPs that generate them a lot of money, I.E. Minecraft, CoD, and now probably World of Warcraft. Even if that’s the case, Phil had to have seen that Spyro sold 10Mil copies worldwide so I have at least some hope that they’re not going to say “ya **** you we’re just going to put this IP in the dumpster”.
I don’t really care if it’s a little different than Spyro 3, as long as it’s some continuation from the original 3, I’d buy it I a heartbeat. I really want to see a game where we have the original characters all together fighting a major threat (minus Agent 9 because HE DOESN’T SHUT UP). If it’s a remake of Enter the Dragonfly, then ya, I’m done.
After this year & no new Spyro game I will stop searching & building their hype engagement + views so TFB will lose more popularity. I will take it as they don't respect their supporters by at least clearly announce what they're working on - Spyro 4. Why can't they tell us but instead can only give us annoying hints as if they will get in trouble for sharing news. God of War & other game developers announce instead of playing teasing games with their fans. I don't understand this unnecessary teasing smh
Toys for Bob isn't a Independent Developer as they're owned by MICROSOFT.