Ibis RIPMO vs V2 DW-LINK Suspension REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Full analysis to explain how the dw-link Suspension of the 2020 Ibis Ripmo V2 works and how it compares with the 2019 Ibis Ripmo, the pros and cons of the suspension design and whether I would buy one. It should be noted that the 2019 Ibis Ripmo AF (aluminum frame) has an almost identical suspension to the 2020 Ripmo V2 (carbon frame).
Topics include:
anti-rise
anti-squat
leverage ratio
spring rate
wheel rate
wheel path
chain growth
comparison to other suspension designs
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Would be cool to see you compare Ibis
DW link to Pivot DW link
It's very interesting you mention this as I actually did up all the data for the Pivot and was contemplating putting it in this video but it was just going to be too much for one vid.
@@TrailPOV Just do another one, we'll check it out as will everyone else. Great work.
@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Hehe
Use the new switchblade
@@tonyholt4031 For sure
Another vote for Revel / Canfield suspension analysis.
I just scrolled through the comments and see a ton of requests, but no one mentioned the Forbidden Druid, would be really interesting to see a high pivot comparison. Great content!
There were a couple comments about the druid with other videos I've made, but probably not on this one. Thanks for your feedback.
Best content for this stuff on RUclips! Love it as a bike nerd. Would also like to see the curves for Dave Weagles DELTA system, even if it it's just a 'boring' linkage driven single pivot
That's a huge component...thanks!! As for the single pivot, I used to own a Cannondale Gemini with the quintessential boring single pivot with no linkage, but I loved it. The delta may very well make an appearance.
This is great! Can you do one on the Pivot DW-link suspension? I feel like its pedaling platform is like the Yeti, but more plush and in the mid stroke?!
Hoping to get this video out within the next week or two.
I would be interested to see a video on the Naild R3ACT 2Play suspension system on bikes like the Marin Wolf Ridge and Polygon Xquareone. It's such a novel design, but is it really better?
Definitely is a novel design. I'll be sure to add it to the queue.
Would be interested to see an analysis of the CBF system found on the Revel Bikes
There have been multiple requests for that. It's in the queue
Great videos! I’d love to see CBF as used in revel and Canfield bikes. They have a different ride than anything else. Keep it up!
Thanks very much. I'll certainly keep the CBF in mind.
I'd be very interested to see your explanation of the new Specialized Enduro suspension!
Thanks for the feedback. You're certainly not the only one. It is in the queue.
Would you make a video on the Revel Canfield Brothers suspension system?
It's in the queue :)
I've waited so long for a video like this. Thank you 🙏
Glad you liked it
Im glad , i found your channel im a data nerd 😎 you need to do a video on Revel bikes
Glad you like it :)
can you do one on the new pivot switchblade 2020 thanks
It's in the queue
@@TrailPOV love to see one on the pivot Trail 429
Please keep making these type of videos, I love it !
Thanks for the feedback.
Subbed. Really good content.
Thanks very much.
Great stuff!! Love learning bout this stuff, makes me get more excited about bikes. I want to see a video about Revel bikes and how the CBF works.
There have been many asking about the Revel. There will be a video coming in the future
Very informative video!
Question: You mentioned there are better designs in certain aspects than DW-Link? Can you provide some examples? Thanks
Thanks very much. The Yeti SB150 has an anti-squat that drops off deep in the travel which equals plusher feel. Also for those who don't do a lot of climbing, they may prefer less anti-rise such as the Scott Ransom as an example.
A paralysis from analysis 😁 Graphs and data are great for design and comparison, how a bike rides is where the rubber meets the dirt.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Ibis has a perennial bike of the year with the bike that has the most chain growth, with a linear rate no less.
Looking at your data, it seems like a miserable ride in the rough trying to power down with that much pedal feedback. But overwhelming numbers of riders love the pudding Ibis concocted here.
Thanks for the feedback. There are many other YTers that are doing reviews I wanted to do something different. As mentioned in my summary, yes people do love them.
I totally agree on the high anti-squat as I feel the Ripmo carbon to not be as supple as you would like- to say a VPP but a VPP lower link bike does not climb like a Ripmo.
You're not the only who has that same feeling about the two
would LOVE to see 2 Dave Weagle designs side by side
DW-LINK VS Split Pivot (devinci)
Thanks for the input. You're not the first to be intrigued by these two.
"So Ibis seem to do something right" Yeah, they give these guy and girls free bikes. They are essentially on Ibis payroll.
Haha. I'm figuring they're not going to all ride something that doesn't perform.
@Freerider No envy here, I just pointed out that they are in fact sponsored by Ibis and you should take their opinions and statement about gear from their sponsors with a handful of salt. I'd rather listen to say Bikemag or Pinkbike for a more indepth review :)
@Freerider ?????????
@ In my opinion Jeff Kendall-Weed's reviews are much more valuable than Pb's or Bikemag. He is pretty straightforward about terms of sponsorship so what'ś wrong with that? He is even pointing out same issues that no one else find at Ibis frame. Have you ever watched his channel before?
Dude great content but you’ve got your work cut out for you! I’d like to see Evils Delta link. Maestro. The new Specialized Enduro and Stumpy. To start with😬
That is quite the list 😋
A video on the Specialized Enduro vs YT Capra 29 just went live on Patreon if you're interested
Imagine if there was like an application where you chose a bike and it automatically analyses the bike
Can you please do this analysis with the 2019/2020 YT Jeffsy?
Io ho in possesso un ibis ripmo AF mi consiglieresti un sistema oChain su questa bici per combattere il fenomeno del pedal kickback ?
Also curious on the CVA pivot design, and Maestro as well.
Good point about CVA. Nobody's mentioned it until now.
I think maestro and DW are close to the same thing. I know Dave sued giant several years back because they had him design and license a suspension design for them and then they never paid him and re marketed it as maestro (i think it was supposed to be called DW+). They eventually ended up settling. The two systems may have diverged since then but initially they were nearly identical.
@@trugearreviewmtb2226 You are correct
I've owned and put 1k+ miles on both the Ripmo V1 and now the AF and the differences are pretty huge. I much prefer the AF, however I've been riding my Norco Sight VLT 29 a ton recently (E-bike will do that to ya, you'll pull it out over and over and over) and am reaaaly noticing the pedal kickback of the Ripmo when I get back on it. It'd be cool if you could do the analog Sight and the Sight VLT! I'm considering swapping my Ripmo AF out for the analog Sight.
Interesting to hear about V1 vs V2 being so different. Thanks for the suggestion
Hey can you do the revel rail
So many requests for this bike lately. It is in the queue :)
@@TrailPOV your the man.
Revel Rail please
Can you do a suspension review on the Revel Rascal with some comparisons to other brands? Love how technical you get on suspension.
Thanks very much. There will be a video on the Revel bikes in the future.
Very interesting video format👌🏻, keep it up. I would like to see how does specialized enduro 2020 compare to other bikes since they said their suspension design completley isolates braking and pedaling from suspension.
Thanks very much. The Enduro is in the queue.
I think some times...that ibis bikes have that I M T University mathematics..
Hey mate, it's me, again...hahah! Qq I'm considering buying a Lyrik 170mm fork for my Ripmo AF, would you recommend adding 10mm to this bike? I saw Cole Lucas (Ibis EWS rider) is using a 170mm fork.
Unfortunately can't provide too much insight whether it's good or bad. All depends on what you're riding...do you use up all your travel currently, are you constantly hitting you BB on rocks and roots and need to raise it, do you feel too far over the front end, does your front end wash out often
Please review Hi-pivot bike!
The Pivot that connects the rear triangle with the second link is hidden. It's not concentric with the shock's yoke. The results of your analysis are only a bit wrong and I can understand that it didn't raised a red flag, but you need to be more carefull in the future.
Best regards,
Tony.
Wow you are absolutely correct and I cannot believe I did not catch that. I will have to re-run the analysis to see if there are any differences. I'm assuming it's not going to be a huge difference, but still a difference.
Hi Tony. I was very intrigued as to how much difference the pivot location will actually make, and after doing the analysis I can say the following are almost identical: leverage ratio, wheel rate, wheel path, chain growth. The anti-rise is still level throughout the travel but around 90 rather than low 80s . The anti-squat is almost identical except deep in the travel when at 100% travel the anti-squat actually does drop off and reaches around 70 percent. So performance is actually better than I indicate in this video, as the one negative presented in the video is the high anti-squat deep in the travel...which I was wrong about. Hope this helps and thanks again for the feedback!
@@TrailPOV I agree with Tony, but also think that still isn't accurate. The pivot layout is exactly the same as the V1, except for the pivot between shock and frame. I made the calculations using CAD and the official data, and my results are not too different from yours but significant in every parameter. Small amounts of mm can change more than it seems, so take into account for improve in the future. Cheers!
@@0099011 Thanks for the input. Your results are not too different based on the video results or based on my results in my last reply to Tony?
@@TrailPOV In the reply ;) In my model the drop in AS is bigger (even more similar to Switch Infinity) and the last part of LR is a bit progressive. Cheers!
own a Ripmo V4 ...thanks for explaining with animation what the DW link design does and the benefits it adds to the air shock suspension characteristics
Glad to help. Great bike!
What suspension design do you think is better? The DW Link on a Ibis or the Switch Infinity on a Yeti. I ride Utah trails. So a pretty good mix of climbing and descending.
They're both such awesome bikes....can't really go wrong
Would you break down the Ripley LS suspension please.
Probably won't happen for a while but I'll keep it in mind if there's enough interest in shorter travel bikes
@@TrailPOV No problem. Thanks for considering. I'm building a bike on a budget, and that frame can be found for a good price. I realize things are going longer, slacker, but the cost for the newest is lost on me. Or, economically speaking, for me return on additional investment to buy more travel, longer, and slacker would net me zero additional utils, since I descend at a, let's say, more conservative pace. Further, longer travel will not help my climbs with which I'm far more concerned. Coming down is fun, but less hike-a-bike up is heaven.
Again, thanks.
@@chriskennedy7321 Makes sense. All the best with the build!
@@TrailPOV I hope it does. Thanks for the work you put into your channel.
@@TrailPOV Hi Chris, I really appreciate your analysis and I see you have received a long list of requests! I am interested in Ripley v4 and wonder how much different it is from the Ripmo v2. I see a big advantage in terms of weight savings for my style of riding. I have a long wait before they become more readily available.
Can you do the Orbea occam?
I'll keep it in mind. The queue is long
Please make also a Video about DW split pivot
Does anyone pedal with their bike at full compression in their travel? I highly doubt it.
Nope, but pedal kickback at full travel is most pronounced so when anti-squat is high, so is pedal kickback
Did you by any chance do a video on the Ibis Ripley comparison? Great video btw!
Haven't looked at the Ripley yet either here or on Patreon
Great stuff! I just subbed. Trek touts their ABP. How does their geo match up against the other linkages out there?
Thanks! Trek is on my radar along with Rebel and Canyon. Stay tuned.
+1 for the trek. Interested to see how they compare. +1 sub from me 👍🏽
@@andrewleighton472 Thanks for the feedback
I have spent the last 8 months riding the 2019 Ripmo and can say it is the finest bike I've ever ridden in this bike catagory. It's light, pedals efficient and jumps well. Truly a jack of all trades...
Awesome. Glad you're liking it! Happy trails
I agree Its a great bike for just about everything
It definitely rides better than the numbers and geo suggests. I agree. too bad most people think we're smoking something :)
@@RyuMoto Haha
This stuff is FASCINATING - thanks for putting in the time. I am sure this has been explained elsewhere but EXACTLY prevents certain bikes like the RV1 from running a coil shock?
Thanks!
It would be really cool to see the canyon strive in pedal vs DH mode.
I'm very intrigued myself on this....there will be a video coming in the future.
@@TrailPOV I have the the older 2018 27.5 model if you need anything.
@@johnmtb4941 Thanks for the offer
Great work ! Would you have on minds 2020 YT jefftsy ?
Thank you
Thanks very much. I could certainly add it to the queue.
Thank you!!!
Really informative and deep analysis! If I may, I'd vote for Canyon Spectral 2018-2020 analysis; maybe even head to head comparison with YT Jeffsy as they seem very similar designs to me. Thanx!
Another thing comes to my mind - how much does frame size influence kinematics; I'm big, so only XL frames are big enough for me. I'd like to know how kinematics would change from regular M to XL size frame - it might be subtle or quite substantial. What are Your thoughts on this? Regards from sLOVEnia!
@@shappens1 Thanks for the input!
Can you please do the commencal meta am 👍🏽
Thanks for the feedback. Will sure keep it in mind.
How is the centre of Gravity position for each bike calculated?
It's based on several articles I read including one by Cannondale that gave rough guidelines for acceptable values. Because the rider is moving around so much it isn't going to perfect all the time, but I'm at a consistent height for all the bikes I've done for ease of comparison.
How come your leverage ration differs do much compared to both Pinkbike and Cascade Components. What did you miss? @trailpov
@Trail Pov
It was determined that the top linkage actually has a hidden pivot behind the swingarm. As such the numbers are close but do differ slightly compared with other publishers.
I would like to see a video on the Pole Evolink system. I ride an Evolink 140 so I'm curious to know how terrible or not it is. I haven't seen a real review on Pole's suspension design yet. Personally, having ridden the bike for two years, I'm quite fond of it, but it could be buyer bias and/or ignorance talking.
Thanks for the feedback. I can add it to the queue.
Can you do the Jamis Hardline? Looks like a good design on paper.
Thanks for the suggestion
AND... Mondraker ?? Zero suspensión system 😏😏😏
Why doesn't the chain-stay revolve around the crank? Why all bikes place the pivot above the obvious center, the crank? thanks
Having the pivot at the cranks might help chain growth, but it would lead to low anti-rise, horrible anti-squat and a wheel path that is forward not rearward.....so the bike would actually not be very nice to ride.
@@TrailPOV Got it, thanks!
love the mechanical kinematic analysis. what happens to the Ripmo if the main lower pivot was moved back 20 mm so that the chain stay was 20 mm shorter?
The Traction Tune air shocks add high levels of low-speed compression. The end-ramp feels linear, not progressive, given the rider needs to push through very high compression levels.
I really like the V1 and V2, but find a very light shock tune suits the nature of the anti-squat superbly. Adding slight rebound levels and having good anti-squat works quite well for staying on top of the trail. The low-speed compression on the "Traction Tune" is like adding in severe levels of mid-stroke wallow. That said, its mind blowing how poorly tuned it is stocked with vs what it is capable of when comparred to the competition. Then again, this does make for a mind-blowing upgrade path.
Thanks for all the details!
Propain bike links
Would like to know the differences between the Ripmo V2 and the 2020 Ripley....
The V2 and 2020 are the same bike. The AF (aluminum) shares the same suspension design as the V2 (carbon) also.
@@TrailPOV Thanks!
Is this similar to the dw link on the pivot firebird 29?
Take a look into my video on the Switchblade which compares the two DW-link implementations: ruclips.net/video/Xc_ErnUgd-c/видео.html
I ordered a ripmo v2. Due to covid 19, I may have to wait until august. I ride really tough local trails. I wanted something that can climb really well while still being able to go down hill and corner well. Right now I ride a 2016 stump jumper Carbon 6fattie. I wish it just went a little faster downhill when I smash rock gardens. I saw a lot of enduro racers have won with the HD 4/5. Do you think I would regret this buy? I still have time now.
Own it and love it! No regrets.
nice videos , what about a single pivot Kona process 153
Hey, great videos. Please go further into some of the unusual stuff out there... like differences between different approaches to single pivot - how different is a well designed linkage driven single pivot vs the high profile designs. And Delta Link (Evil), Knolly's design for a Horst(ish) link, Marin/Polygon's Naild design, ABP etc...
Currently working on a vid for two different single pivot designs, and in the future there will be a high pivot comparison
Very cool Videos. Could you make a force over Travel Chart With same bike but different air Shock Spacers and air pressure adjusted to same force at full travel? I wonder how initial suppleness and overall energy absorption (integral over force(travel)•deltaTravel as well as mid stroke dupliert will differ
Thanks for the input. So far I have shy'ed away from shock technology itself as it is so dependent on the specific shock and dimensional data of the internals of that shock.
Thanks for doing the Ripmo / V2. This vid makes me want to try an O-chain, since kickback seems to be the primary bottleneck that you point out.
Loam Ranger has a video about mulleting the bike with a (reverse mounted / steeper) offset shock bushing. Do you have any off the cuff remarks on how that should affect performance?
Mulletting will make minimal impact to the suspension response, but will improve roll-over/speed
Great explanation. I'm currently looking at the Ibis Ripmo AF and the Giant Trance 29. Are you planning on a review on the Maestro suspension?
Thanks very much. So far the Canyon seems to be in the lead, but if you choose to support me via Patreon I would likely bump the Maestro up the queue. These videos are very time intensive so unfortunately I cannot pump them out weekly.
This info is SO HELPFUL. I'm a designer, not an engineer so all these anti squat, anti rise, chain growth.... that stuff just confuses me. It really helps when you explain what these graphs mean.
Glad you liked them. Who are you designing for?
Fascinating, just like the SB150 video you made. The comparison added an extra dimension. How about comparing a Yeti SB130 against the 150? Or a SB140?
Everything takes time unfortunately. But there is very likely to be a video like that in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
Trail POV,
I see some interest in the Spot Ryve. However given it is a dual link with an unknown spring tension incorporated in its design I guess it may be tough for you to analyze. To help get a handle on that aspect there is this published bit.ly/3dNYP0K , and perhaps Spot would welcome the opportunity to give the data.
Never heard of them...thanks for the suggestion. Looks VERY similar to the new Pivot Switchblade just with one pivot point replaces with the living link
were you able to test the bike? did you like it? apparently it is very similar to the SB150 (except for the progressivity). BTW Cool Stuff!
Glad you like the vid. Unfortunately I have not had a chance to test ride it.
Hi , wondering if you can help me. Coil or air shock in Ripmo V2? Never used a coil shock before. Interested on this bike and debating to use coil or Air shock? By the way, I learned a lot on this video. Thanks!
Hi Dennis. Glad you liked it. Coil vs air is very personal preference. The V2 has a progressive enough design that coil is possible without constantly bottoming out. If you're hitting consistent terrain with lots of choppy small hits and not much uphill then coil might be a good option. If you hit bigger stuff or like changing it up from local XC-ish type trails to big park rising, then air might be a better bet as you can quickly and easily tweak it using a pump. Try demo the two (if you're able) in the spring.
Thanks! Very helpful!
Def a personal preference, but the cool thing is that Fox's air shock has made huge improvements, and their coil is already super predictable and even over the entire stroke. Personally, the coil is perfect for all the conditions I ride, from XC to DH. Demo or commit, you can't go wrong
Does this rule out a coil on a V1 Ripmo even if you used a progressive coil spring?
A progressive coil spring would be doable on this bike for sure
@@TrailPOV Thanks you so much!
Awesome video.. Can you do review of the DELTA link suspension for Evil bikes.. especially the Offering model..
You're not the first to mention this bike :)
How do things change when looking at the 27.5 Mojo 4? Would be great to see a comparison against the Ripley. Great videos with tons of detail.
Thanks for the question. Perhaps I will look into those two at a later date
Id love for you to check out the UNNO dash!
Thanks for the input!
Thank you really helped me too understand the changes in the V1 vs V2. Could you do one on the new Guerrilla Gravity Modular frame bikes?
Never heard of them before. Thanks for the suggestion.
Cool vid! I really enjoyed the technical content. I wonder what the differences would be in the YT Jeffsy Mk2 v Mk3.
Thanks for the feedback
Great vid fascinating !! Can you do a breakdown on the Transition sentinel V2 " giddy up " suspension please !!! 👍
Thanks for the suggestion!
I would love to hear your thoughts on the Rocky Mountain's Element or Altitude.
I think you might be the first to mention Rocky, even though their HQ is located about 40mins from my house
Do the Rocky Instinct!
@@edvictor3258 Thanks for the input
It's a small company but I think that they make great bikes!
@@fpainchaud350 Their XC Element bikes have been the goto choice for many pros locally
Would love to see the Devinci Troy 29, as a DW split-pivot bike with high anti-squat values. Cheers!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Very cool video. I love analytical content like this. Is there any chance you can analyze the new Santa Cruz v10 29er?
Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep the DH bike in mind
I've been waiting for this! Thank you!!!
Very welcome. This was one of my most ambitious and time intensive projects to date....hope you like it
It explains some of what I'm feeling in the Ripmo V1. Thanks much. I love these.
@@TrailPOV I'll be honest, I had to watch this a few times to digest the concepts. It seems you like the V2 kinematics overall? Would that be accurate to say? Are there any situations where the V1 would be preferred? I noticed you said in the V1 the rear kinematics act to promote linear rates. Wouldn't that be beneficial in some situations?
@@RyuMoto Not surprising.....I try to pack a lot of info in on the assumption that one can always rewind if necessary. For the style of riding I do I would prefer the V2. If you have a lot of smoother flowy terrain without big hits thrown in, then the V1 might be a good option. Or if you're a real fan of coil shocks but don't want the weight penalty or less fine-tuning that normally comes with a coil, then the V1 might be a good option.
Please do a Suspension Review for Delta Linkage Evil Wreckoning. BIG Big Thanks
You're not the first to mention this bike so looks likely it'll be done sometime sooner rather than later.
The ZERO suspension system from Mondraker would be interesting
Thanks for the input
Can you speak on the advantages and disadvantages of having a higher starting point (V2 vs V1) in the leverage ratio?
Having a progressive start to the leverage ratio means that it should have better small bump compliance because the wheel force can easily overcome the shock friction (because it's got a bigger lever arm), and because damping forces are lower at lower shock speeds (which occur when the leverage ratio is higher). If the starting point is too high and the curve is too progressive overall (think Capra) then the shock gets firm quickly during it's travel as it ramps up so much.
Great analysis... do all the DW Links work the same and how does bike geometry affect the DW suspension. For example does the Pivot DW Switchblade pedal as efficiently as the Ripmo... also can you do a comparison between the old Pivot SB and the New SB.
I've done the analysis but not the video. You'll have to stick around to find out :)
@@TrailPOV subscription engaged... 👍
Giant Maestro analysis? Pretty please.
What are your thoughts about running a high engagement hub (ie. Industry 9) with the V2 considering the high anti-squat numbers? Would this exacerbate the feeling at the pedals? Would the suspension be fighting your pedals more when compared to a “traditional” hub?
IMO it would likely make the problem slightly worse especially since the suspension wouldn't be free to absorb the really tiny chatter on the trail without working against your pedals even on the smallest rocks (which normally would be taken up by the slack in pawl engagement). However, without getting on the trail with this latest bike with that hub setup it's hard to say.
Trail POV I had the same thought as well. I feel like this topic isn’t talked about much. Especially for those that run flat pedals. It seems reasonable to say that pedal kickback would be much more noticeable. I’m not even sure how you’d be able to perform that test with visible results beyond just trying it yourself, but it would be interesting to find out. Maybe high engagement hubs are optimal for high-pivot, idler-pulley bikes? The world may never know! Haha
Awesome stuff!! Could we have a video on the canyon strive, and how the shapeshifter system changes its suspension? Thanks!
Thanks very much. There have been several requests for the Canyon so it very much may make it into a future video.
i would be interested in seeing the DW link compared to the split pivot used by Devinci
Thanks for the suggestion. Several have wondered this same thing.
Absolutely awesome stuff! Could I ask for DELTA analysis?
Delta is coming this week
Nice vid, but what about the Ripmo AF? Any differences?
Ripmo V2 is the same as the AF except in carbon
Great video but you haven’t addressed how you tune the progression with volume spacers. Metric shocks in particular need careful tuning with volume spacers to adjust the ride feel.
Unfortunately I can only cover so much in these videos. I use the same shock curve for ever bike so I can compare frame to frame without taking into account shock tunes...which is an art to itself
Trail POV would be good to see a video on this. Use a well known popular bike and show the effects of adding and removing spacers/tokens.
What was the change in the pivot/linkage geometry between the two models? Wondering if there’s a potential for some parts change to update a V1 to the newer kinematic or if it’s a function of pivot location in the frame and swingarm.
The new bike appears to have the shock mounted lower down on the down-tube making it impossible for you to just take the shock U-link for instance from the V2 bike and using it on the V1. The whole rear triangle looks almost untouched.
@@TrailPOV Thanks for the reply. I ask because I’ve been wondering if an offset bushing installed to raise the forward shock mount would help the deeper end of the stroke. The linkage yoke is very close to the swingarm with the bike unloaded, not sure if there’s clearance to attempt to lower the forward shock mount.
Hi really love your content. Do you think you can do an older model like the mojo hd3?
Thanks for the input
Is there a trade-off on having lower Anti-Rise numbers? (say, like the Scott Ransom 54%)
The bike will be able to pitch forward a lot more when braking rather than remaining very level if the anti-rise is very low. But it does result in a more lively suspension that isn't affected by braking as much.
@@TrailPOV Nice! I guess that it comes to preferences then. Which range would you say is the "sweet spot" in your experience?
@@felipefarias7654 It definitely does come down to preference. Between my experience and reading about a lot of bikes it seems like between 70 and 90 is the sweet spot
@@TrailPOV Great info and awesome channel mate! i'm learning a lot, thanks.
@@felipefarias7654 Great to hear. Thanks!
can you do the commencal meta am
It is in the queue....along with the Forbidden Druid
Hi, thank you for the great videos. They are really helpful and interesting. I ride a ripmo af (or v2) with a jade x coil shock. Sometimes I was bottoming out although my sag was around 27 %, so I swapped to a progressive canecreek spring with the same initial spring rate of 450 lbs. At the same time I changed the chain and shortened it 2 more links then recommended to make the bike absolutely quiet. Now the bike feels less supple und bigger hits. Does the shorter chain affect pedal kickback and the suppleness of the suspension? Or is more due to the progressive coil? If it is more because of the coil, do you think I could improve it by decreasing the bladder pressure of the shock? Thank you in advance. Cheers!
My guess it that has to do with the progressive coil. Making it softer can be accomplished with lighter spring or lower bladder pressure. Lowering the spring with make your bike less poppy and lively while lower bladder pressure alone with make your bike more lively. Kinda depends on what you're looking for....a planted feeling or being able to hop and bounce over and off things down the trail.
@@TrailPOV thank you. Actually I am looking for both. Planted and some pop when needed. So I am going to lower the bladder pressure. Maybe I'll have to speed up the rebound then.
Great stuff, your clearly onto something with these reviews and explaining how all the designs work, you make them easy to grasp. I see many requests for all kinds of designs so I guess I will put mine in as well, the Propain Spindrift or Commencal with idler pulley or new Canfield. If you haven't already posted, what is your goto suspension design?
Thanks for the input. Feel free to join me on my Patreon polls to vote for the next vid. As to my goto design, based on what I've learned I'm leaning toward the Yeti or Ripmo V2 designs so far, but I can't afford either so I'll just stick with my bike 🙂
@@TrailPOV I hear that, I fancy the design I can afford as well.
I just bought the Ripmo V1...LOL.
It would be interesting to compare Ibis' DW and Yeti Infinity.
I'm sure you'll love it. If you wanted to compare Ibis and Yeti you could look at my other video on the SB150 to get an idea how they compare.
@@TrailPOV Thanks! I have to say Ibis is one of the best! I have a Ripley too. I recently demo'd an SC Hightower and I think I experienced some pedal bob while climbing, where the front wheel wandered a bit on the climb - this is what 'pedal bob' means? - I was disappointed since it pedaled so well before climbing.
Never experienced that on an Ibis or a Yeti. They track so well!
@@NDemanuele1 Ibis do make some nice bikes for sure. Pedal bob actually is when the back suspension bounces slightly up and down when pedalling due to interaction of your body weight (being transferred rearward as you accelerate) and the chain forces. Generally if your front end gets light it's because the seat tube angle is set further back so your weight is more over the rear of the bike and thus when climbing you have no weight on the front end to keep it down.
@@TrailPOV Interesting, thanks for the explanation!
@@TrailPOV I wonder if you experienced the same with the Hightower if you demo'd it?
I'm surprised SC isn't as plush as an Ibis by now.
Are you reading this of some kind of spec sheet or website descriptions?
I custom calculate everything based on 2D CAD diagrams provided by the manufacturer
Trail POV not bad 👍🏽. Do you ride them too?
@@dipo4life2010 At this point no, but I have talked with several bike stores about the possibility of doing this, to find out if I can actually sense the differences that appear on paper
Trail POV that would make your findings on paper even more accurate or far from it. It will give you a better opinion on both bikes and overall comparisons
I’d like to hear your thoughts on a ‘full floating’ design like vitus or trek
Interestingly, with the improvements to shock technology very few of Trek's bikes use the full-floater anymore.