Ibis RIPMO vs V2 DW-LINK Suspension REVIEW

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  • Full analysis to explain how the dw-link Suspension of the 2020 Ibis Ripmo V2 works and how it compares with the 2019 Ibis Ripmo, the pros and cons of the suspension design and whether I would buy one. It should be noted that the 2019 Ibis Ripmo AF (aluminum frame) has an almost identical suspension to the 2020 Ripmo V2 (carbon frame).
    Topics include:
    anti-rise
    anti-squat
    leverage ratio
    spring rate
    wheel rate
    wheel path
    chain growth
    comparison to other suspension designs
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Комментарии • 323

  • @nickjones5728
    @nickjones5728 4 года назад +58

    Would be cool to see you compare Ibis
    DW link to Pivot DW link

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +30

      It's very interesting you mention this as I actually did up all the data for the Pivot and was contemplating putting it in this video but it was just going to be too much for one vid.

    • @travelthenarrowtrail8660
      @travelthenarrowtrail8660 4 года назад +18

      @@TrailPOV Just do another one, we'll check it out as will everyone else. Great work.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +4

      @@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Hehe

    • @tonyholt4031
      @tonyholt4031 4 года назад +5

      Use the new switchblade

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +3

      @@tonyholt4031 For sure

  • @pilotmattk
    @pilotmattk 4 года назад +15

    Another vote for Revel / Canfield suspension analysis.

  • @markjohnson5502
    @markjohnson5502 4 года назад +11

    I just scrolled through the comments and see a ton of requests, but no one mentioned the Forbidden Druid, would be really interesting to see a high pivot comparison. Great content!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      There were a couple comments about the druid with other videos I've made, but probably not on this one. Thanks for your feedback.

  • @l4x3rj
    @l4x3rj 4 года назад +8

    Best content for this stuff on RUclips! Love it as a bike nerd. Would also like to see the curves for Dave Weagles DELTA system, even if it it's just a 'boring' linkage driven single pivot

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      That's a huge component...thanks!! As for the single pivot, I used to own a Cannondale Gemini with the quintessential boring single pivot with no linkage, but I loved it. The delta may very well make an appearance.

  • @normegaskins
    @normegaskins 4 года назад +5

    This is great! Can you do one on the Pivot DW-link suspension? I feel like its pedaling platform is like the Yeti, but more plush and in the mid stroke?!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +4

      Hoping to get this video out within the next week or two.

  • @taurtearl
    @taurtearl 4 года назад +2

    I would be interested to see a video on the Naild R3ACT 2Play suspension system on bikes like the Marin Wolf Ridge and Polygon Xquareone. It's such a novel design, but is it really better?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Definitely is a novel design. I'll be sure to add it to the queue.

  • @the.bryce.maxwell
    @the.bryce.maxwell 4 года назад +5

    Would be interested to see an analysis of the CBF system found on the Revel Bikes

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +6

      There have been multiple requests for that. It's in the queue

  • @Cycle_Smith
    @Cycle_Smith 4 года назад +5

    Great videos! I’d love to see CBF as used in revel and Canfield bikes. They have a different ride than anything else. Keep it up!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +3

      Thanks very much. I'll certainly keep the CBF in mind.

  • @espsixstrings
    @espsixstrings 4 года назад +4

    I'd be very interested to see your explanation of the new Specialized Enduro suspension!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      Thanks for the feedback. You're certainly not the only one. It is in the queue.

  • @mountainbiker8904
    @mountainbiker8904 4 года назад +4

    Would you make a video on the Revel Canfield Brothers suspension system?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      It's in the queue :)

  • @NorCalRide
    @NorCalRide 4 года назад +4

    I've waited so long for a video like this. Thank you 🙏

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Glad you liked it

  • @morpheus6d9
    @morpheus6d9 4 года назад +3

    Im glad , i found your channel im a data nerd 😎 you need to do a video on Revel bikes

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Glad you like it :)

  • @JoshMKelly
    @JoshMKelly 4 года назад +2

    can you do one on the new pivot switchblade 2020 thanks

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      It's in the queue

    • @phodee6
      @phodee6 4 года назад +1

      @@TrailPOV love to see one on the pivot Trail 429

  • @etiennekros680
    @etiennekros680 4 года назад +5

    Please keep making these type of videos, I love it !

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback.

  • @rcplanefunguy1212
    @rcplanefunguy1212 4 года назад +6

    Subbed. Really good content.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks very much.

  • @sonnduro
    @sonnduro 4 года назад +3

    Great stuff!! Love learning bout this stuff, makes me get more excited about bikes. I want to see a video about Revel bikes and how the CBF works.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      There have been many asking about the Revel. There will be a video coming in the future

  • @NDemanuele1
    @NDemanuele1 4 года назад +2

    Very informative video!
    Question: You mentioned there are better designs in certain aspects than DW-Link? Can you provide some examples? Thanks

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      Thanks very much. The Yeti SB150 has an anti-squat that drops off deep in the travel which equals plusher feel. Also for those who don't do a lot of climbing, they may prefer less anti-rise such as the Scott Ransom as an example.

  • @falllinemaniac
    @falllinemaniac 4 года назад +3

    A paralysis from analysis 😁 Graphs and data are great for design and comparison, how a bike rides is where the rubber meets the dirt.
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Ibis has a perennial bike of the year with the bike that has the most chain growth, with a linear rate no less.
    Looking at your data, it seems like a miserable ride in the rough trying to power down with that much pedal feedback. But overwhelming numbers of riders love the pudding Ibis concocted here.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +4

      Thanks for the feedback. There are many other YTers that are doing reviews I wanted to do something different. As mentioned in my summary, yes people do love them.

  • @travelthenarrowtrail8660
    @travelthenarrowtrail8660 4 года назад +1

    I totally agree on the high anti-squat as I feel the Ripmo carbon to not be as supple as you would like- to say a VPP but a VPP lower link bike does not climb like a Ripmo.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      You're not the only who has that same feeling about the two

  • @chrisbraun72
    @chrisbraun72 4 года назад +1

    would LOVE to see 2 Dave Weagle designs side by side
    DW-LINK VS Split Pivot (devinci)

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the input. You're not the first to be intrigued by these two.

  •  4 года назад +1

    "So Ibis seem to do something right" Yeah, they give these guy and girls free bikes. They are essentially on Ibis payroll.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Haha. I'm figuring they're not going to all ride something that doesn't perform.

    •  4 года назад

      @Freerider No envy here, I just pointed out that they are in fact sponsored by Ibis and you should take their opinions and statement about gear from their sponsors with a handful of salt. I'd rather listen to say Bikemag or Pinkbike for a more indepth review :)

    •  4 года назад +1

      @Freerider ?????????

    • @booger1717
      @booger1717 4 года назад +1

      @ In my opinion Jeff Kendall-Weed's reviews are much more valuable than Pb's or Bikemag. He is pretty straightforward about terms of sponsorship so what'ś wrong with that? He is even pointing out same issues that no one else find at Ibis frame. Have you ever watched his channel before?

  • @esdubya
    @esdubya 4 года назад +2

    Dude great content but you’ve got your work cut out for you! I’d like to see Evils Delta link. Maestro. The new Specialized Enduro and Stumpy. To start with😬

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      That is quite the list 😋

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      A video on the Specialized Enduro vs YT Capra 29 just went live on Patreon if you're interested

    • @maxlaguda4232
      @maxlaguda4232 3 года назад +1

      Imagine if there was like an application where you chose a bike and it automatically analyses the bike

  • @72685rx
    @72685rx 4 года назад +1

    Can you please do this analysis with the 2019/2020 YT Jeffsy?

  • @theworldofbikes6380
    @theworldofbikes6380 Месяц назад

    Io ho in possesso un ibis ripmo AF mi consiglieresti un sistema oChain su questa bici per combattere il fenomeno del pedal kickback ?

  • @nicktapias3425
    @nicktapias3425 4 года назад +3

    Also curious on the CVA pivot design, and Maestro as well.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Good point about CVA. Nobody's mentioned it until now.

    • @trugearreviewmtb2226
      @trugearreviewmtb2226 4 года назад

      I think maestro and DW are close to the same thing. I know Dave sued giant several years back because they had him design and license a suspension design for them and then they never paid him and re marketed it as maestro (i think it was supposed to be called DW+). They eventually ended up settling. The two systems may have diverged since then but initially they were nearly identical.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@trugearreviewmtb2226 You are correct

  • @gravitybass
    @gravitybass 4 года назад +1

    I've owned and put 1k+ miles on both the Ripmo V1 and now the AF and the differences are pretty huge. I much prefer the AF, however I've been riding my Norco Sight VLT 29 a ton recently (E-bike will do that to ya, you'll pull it out over and over and over) and am reaaaly noticing the pedal kickback of the Ripmo when I get back on it. It'd be cool if you could do the analog Sight and the Sight VLT! I'm considering swapping my Ripmo AF out for the analog Sight.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Interesting to hear about V1 vs V2 being so different. Thanks for the suggestion

  • @residentevil36936936
    @residentevil36936936 4 года назад +3

    Hey can you do the revel rail

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      So many requests for this bike lately. It is in the queue :)

    • @residentevil36936936
      @residentevil36936936 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV your the man.

  • @otrebzki6457
    @otrebzki6457 4 года назад +1

    Revel Rail please

  • @johnmeed2243
    @johnmeed2243 4 года назад +1

    Can you do a suspension review on the Revel Rascal with some comparisons to other brands? Love how technical you get on suspension.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks very much. There will be a video on the Revel bikes in the future.

  • @nejcstern3747
    @nejcstern3747 4 года назад +1

    Very interesting video format👌🏻, keep it up. I would like to see how does specialized enduro 2020 compare to other bikes since they said their suspension design completley isolates braking and pedaling from suspension.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Thanks very much. The Enduro is in the queue.

  • @Mark2Roll
    @Mark2Roll 3 года назад

    I think some times...that ibis bikes have that I M T University mathematics..

  • @felipefarias7654
    @felipefarias7654 4 года назад

    Hey mate, it's me, again...hahah! Qq I'm considering buying a Lyrik 170mm fork for my Ripmo AF, would you recommend adding 10mm to this bike? I saw Cole Lucas (Ibis EWS rider) is using a 170mm fork.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Unfortunately can't provide too much insight whether it's good or bad. All depends on what you're riding...do you use up all your travel currently, are you constantly hitting you BB on rocks and roots and need to raise it, do you feel too far over the front end, does your front end wash out often

  • @crossbladetube
    @crossbladetube 4 года назад +1

    Please review Hi-pivot bike!

  • @AntonCor
    @AntonCor 4 года назад +2

    The Pivot that connects the rear triangle with the second link is hidden. It's not concentric with the shock's yoke. The results of your analysis are only a bit wrong and I can understand that it didn't raised a red flag, but you need to be more carefull in the future.
    Best regards,
    Tony.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Wow you are absolutely correct and I cannot believe I did not catch that. I will have to re-run the analysis to see if there are any differences. I'm assuming it's not going to be a huge difference, but still a difference.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      Hi Tony. I was very intrigued as to how much difference the pivot location will actually make, and after doing the analysis I can say the following are almost identical: leverage ratio, wheel rate, wheel path, chain growth. The anti-rise is still level throughout the travel but around 90 rather than low 80s . The anti-squat is almost identical except deep in the travel when at 100% travel the anti-squat actually does drop off and reaches around 70 percent. So performance is actually better than I indicate in this video, as the one negative presented in the video is the high anti-squat deep in the travel...which I was wrong about. Hope this helps and thanks again for the feedback!

    • @0099011
      @0099011 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV I agree with Tony, but also think that still isn't accurate. The pivot layout is exactly the same as the V1, except for the pivot between shock and frame. I made the calculations using CAD and the official data, and my results are not too different from yours but significant in every parameter. Small amounts of mm can change more than it seems, so take into account for improve in the future. Cheers!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@0099011 Thanks for the input. Your results are not too different based on the video results or based on my results in my last reply to Tony?

    • @0099011
      @0099011 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV In the reply ;) In my model the drop in AS is bigger (even more similar to Switch Infinity) and the last part of LR is a bit progressive. Cheers!

  • @daleunroe6074
    @daleunroe6074 2 месяца назад

    own a Ripmo V4 ...thanks for explaining with animation what the DW link design does and the benefits it adds to the air shock suspension characteristics

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  2 месяца назад +1

      Glad to help. Great bike!

  • @xandercl1819
    @xandercl1819 4 года назад

    What suspension design do you think is better? The DW Link on a Ibis or the Switch Infinity on a Yeti. I ride Utah trails. So a pretty good mix of climbing and descending.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      They're both such awesome bikes....can't really go wrong

  • @chriskennedy7321
    @chriskennedy7321 4 года назад +2

    Would you break down the Ripley LS suspension please.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Probably won't happen for a while but I'll keep it in mind if there's enough interest in shorter travel bikes

    • @chriskennedy7321
      @chriskennedy7321 4 года назад +1

      @@TrailPOV No problem. Thanks for considering. I'm building a bike on a budget, and that frame can be found for a good price. I realize things are going longer, slacker, but the cost for the newest is lost on me. Or, economically speaking, for me return on additional investment to buy more travel, longer, and slacker would net me zero additional utils, since I descend at a, let's say, more conservative pace. Further, longer travel will not help my climbs with which I'm far more concerned. Coming down is fun, but less hike-a-bike up is heaven.
      Again, thanks.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@chriskennedy7321 Makes sense. All the best with the build!

    • @chriskennedy7321
      @chriskennedy7321 4 года назад +1

      @@TrailPOV I hope it does. Thanks for the work you put into your channel.

    • @mddobbs
      @mddobbs 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Hi Chris, I really appreciate your analysis and I see you have received a long list of requests! I am interested in Ripley v4 and wonder how much different it is from the Ripmo v2. I see a big advantage in terms of weight savings for my style of riding. I have a long wait before they become more readily available.

  • @cryx4
    @cryx4 4 года назад +1

    Can you do the Orbea occam?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      I'll keep it in mind. The queue is long

  • @silhill3914
    @silhill3914 4 года назад

    Please make also a Video about DW split pivot

  • @mtnbikerva1
    @mtnbikerva1 3 года назад

    Does anyone pedal with their bike at full compression in their travel? I highly doubt it.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      Nope, but pedal kickback at full travel is most pronounced so when anti-squat is high, so is pedal kickback

  • @henri-basilhearne3480
    @henri-basilhearne3480 Год назад

    Did you by any chance do a video on the Ibis Ripley comparison? Great video btw!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  Год назад

      Haven't looked at the Ripley yet either here or on Patreon

  • @dgreensotr
    @dgreensotr 4 года назад +1

    Great stuff! I just subbed. Trek touts their ABP. How does their geo match up against the other linkages out there?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks! Trek is on my radar along with Rebel and Canyon. Stay tuned.

    • @andrewleighton472
      @andrewleighton472 4 года назад +1

      +1 for the trek. Interested to see how they compare. +1 sub from me 👍🏽

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@andrewleighton472 Thanks for the feedback

  • @1slashmri
    @1slashmri 4 года назад +1

    I have spent the last 8 months riding the 2019 Ripmo and can say it is the finest bike I've ever ridden in this bike catagory. It's light, pedals efficient and jumps well. Truly a jack of all trades...

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Awesome. Glad you're liking it! Happy trails

    • @quinncolby
      @quinncolby 4 года назад

      I agree Its a great bike for just about everything

    • @RyuMoto
      @RyuMoto 4 года назад

      It definitely rides better than the numbers and geo suggests. I agree. too bad most people think we're smoking something :)

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@RyuMoto Haha

  • @FoCoFlowShow
    @FoCoFlowShow 4 года назад

    This stuff is FASCINATING - thanks for putting in the time. I am sure this has been explained elsewhere but EXACTLY prevents certain bikes like the RV1 from running a coil shock?

  • @johnmtb4941
    @johnmtb4941 4 года назад +1

    It would be really cool to see the canyon strive in pedal vs DH mode.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      I'm very intrigued myself on this....there will be a video coming in the future.

    • @johnmtb4941
      @johnmtb4941 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV I have the the older 2018 27.5 model if you need anything.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@johnmtb4941 Thanks for the offer

  • @christianlopez6560
    @christianlopez6560 4 года назад +1

    Great work ! Would you have on minds 2020 YT jefftsy ?
    Thank you

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      Thanks very much. I could certainly add it to the queue.

    • @christianlopez6560
      @christianlopez6560 4 года назад

      Thank you!!!

    • @shappens1
      @shappens1 4 года назад

      Really informative and deep analysis! If I may, I'd vote for Canyon Spectral 2018-2020 analysis; maybe even head to head comparison with YT Jeffsy as they seem very similar designs to me. Thanx!

    • @shappens1
      @shappens1 4 года назад

      Another thing comes to my mind - how much does frame size influence kinematics; I'm big, so only XL frames are big enough for me. I'd like to know how kinematics would change from regular M to XL size frame - it might be subtle or quite substantial. What are Your thoughts on this? Regards from sLOVEnia!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@shappens1 Thanks for the input!

  • @barrakingbeatz7794
    @barrakingbeatz7794 4 года назад +1

    Can you please do the commencal meta am 👍🏽

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback. Will sure keep it in mind.

  • @ChristaanSwart
    @ChristaanSwart 4 года назад

    How is the centre of Gravity position for each bike calculated?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      It's based on several articles I read including one by Cannondale that gave rough guidelines for acceptable values. Because the rider is moving around so much it isn't going to perfect all the time, but I'm at a consistent height for all the bikes I've done for ease of comparison.

  • @javisst44
    @javisst44 3 года назад

    How come your leverage ration differs do much compared to both Pinkbike and Cascade Components. What did you miss? @trailpov

    • @javisst44
      @javisst44 3 года назад

      @Trail Pov

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      It was determined that the top linkage actually has a hidden pivot behind the swingarm. As such the numbers are close but do differ slightly compared with other publishers.

  • @Candesce
    @Candesce 4 года назад

    I would like to see a video on the Pole Evolink system. I ride an Evolink 140 so I'm curious to know how terrible or not it is. I haven't seen a real review on Pole's suspension design yet. Personally, having ridden the bike for two years, I'm quite fond of it, but it could be buyer bias and/or ignorance talking.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback. I can add it to the queue.

  • @bikewhorder
    @bikewhorder 4 года назад

    Can you do the Jamis Hardline? Looks like a good design on paper.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the suggestion

  • @giovannyvelasquez2695
    @giovannyvelasquez2695 4 года назад

    AND... Mondraker ?? Zero suspensión system 😏😏😏

  • @i20010
    @i20010 4 года назад

    Why doesn't the chain-stay revolve around the crank? Why all bikes place the pivot above the obvious center, the crank? thanks

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Having the pivot at the cranks might help chain growth, but it would lead to low anti-rise, horrible anti-squat and a wheel path that is forward not rearward.....so the bike would actually not be very nice to ride.

    • @i20010
      @i20010 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Got it, thanks!

  • @jimprater407
    @jimprater407 3 года назад

    love the mechanical kinematic analysis. what happens to the Ripmo if the main lower pivot was moved back 20 mm so that the chain stay was 20 mm shorter?

  • @TheNationalTrails
    @TheNationalTrails 3 года назад

    The Traction Tune air shocks add high levels of low-speed compression. The end-ramp feels linear, not progressive, given the rider needs to push through very high compression levels.
    I really like the V1 and V2, but find a very light shock tune suits the nature of the anti-squat superbly. Adding slight rebound levels and having good anti-squat works quite well for staying on top of the trail. The low-speed compression on the "Traction Tune" is like adding in severe levels of mid-stroke wallow. That said, its mind blowing how poorly tuned it is stocked with vs what it is capable of when comparred to the competition. Then again, this does make for a mind-blowing upgrade path.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      Thanks for all the details!

  • @motobasfan3962
    @motobasfan3962 4 года назад

    Propain bike links

  • @cyclepath55555
    @cyclepath55555 4 года назад

    Would like to know the differences between the Ripmo V2 and the 2020 Ripley....

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      The V2 and 2020 are the same bike. The AF (aluminum) shares the same suspension design as the V2 (carbon) also.

    • @cyclepath55555
      @cyclepath55555 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Thanks!

  • @superboost1574
    @superboost1574 4 года назад

    Is this similar to the dw link on the pivot firebird 29?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Take a look into my video on the Switchblade which compares the two DW-link implementations: ruclips.net/video/Xc_ErnUgd-c/видео.html

  • @ryanhicks382
    @ryanhicks382 4 года назад

    I ordered a ripmo v2. Due to covid 19, I may have to wait until august. I ride really tough local trails. I wanted something that can climb really well while still being able to go down hill and corner well. Right now I ride a 2016 stump jumper Carbon 6fattie. I wish it just went a little faster downhill when I smash rock gardens. I saw a lot of enduro racers have won with the HD 4/5. Do you think I would regret this buy? I still have time now.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Own it and love it! No regrets.

  • @sha317
    @sha317 4 года назад

    nice videos , what about a single pivot Kona process 153

  • @grahampye2314
    @grahampye2314 4 года назад

    Hey, great videos. Please go further into some of the unusual stuff out there... like differences between different approaches to single pivot - how different is a well designed linkage driven single pivot vs the high profile designs. And Delta Link (Evil), Knolly's design for a Horst(ish) link, Marin/Polygon's Naild design, ABP etc...

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Currently working on a vid for two different single pivot designs, and in the future there will be a high pivot comparison

  • @Cg-fh5re
    @Cg-fh5re 3 года назад

    Very cool Videos. Could you make a force over Travel Chart With same bike but different air Shock Spacers and air pressure adjusted to same force at full travel? I wonder how initial suppleness and overall energy absorption (integral over force(travel)•deltaTravel as well as mid stroke dupliert will differ

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      Thanks for the input. So far I have shy'ed away from shock technology itself as it is so dependent on the specific shock and dimensional data of the internals of that shock.

  • @sham8723
    @sham8723 2 года назад

    Thanks for doing the Ripmo / V2. This vid makes me want to try an O-chain, since kickback seems to be the primary bottleneck that you point out.
    Loam Ranger has a video about mulleting the bike with a (reverse mounted / steeper) offset shock bushing. Do you have any off the cuff remarks on how that should affect performance?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  2 года назад

      Mulletting will make minimal impact to the suspension response, but will improve roll-over/speed

  • @newbiemtb6741
    @newbiemtb6741 4 года назад

    Great explanation. I'm currently looking at the Ibis Ripmo AF and the Giant Trance 29. Are you planning on a review on the Maestro suspension?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks very much. So far the Canyon seems to be in the lead, but if you choose to support me via Patreon I would likely bump the Maestro up the queue. These videos are very time intensive so unfortunately I cannot pump them out weekly.

  • @CantTalkImRiding
    @CantTalkImRiding 2 года назад

    This info is SO HELPFUL. I'm a designer, not an engineer so all these anti squat, anti rise, chain growth.... that stuff just confuses me. It really helps when you explain what these graphs mean.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  2 года назад

      Glad you liked them. Who are you designing for?

  • @Mr_RichardH
    @Mr_RichardH 4 года назад

    Fascinating, just like the SB150 video you made. The comparison added an extra dimension. How about comparing a Yeti SB130 against the 150? Or a SB140?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Everything takes time unfortunately. But there is very likely to be a video like that in the future. Thanks for the feedback.

  • @bcc1955
    @bcc1955 4 года назад

    Trail POV,
    I see some interest in the Spot Ryve. However given it is a dual link with an unknown spring tension incorporated in its design I guess it may be tough for you to analyze. To help get a handle on that aspect there is this published bit.ly/3dNYP0K , and perhaps Spot would welcome the opportunity to give the data.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Never heard of them...thanks for the suggestion. Looks VERY similar to the new Pivot Switchblade just with one pivot point replaces with the living link

  • @felipefarias7654
    @felipefarias7654 4 года назад

    were you able to test the bike? did you like it? apparently it is very similar to the SB150 (except for the progressivity). BTW Cool Stuff!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Glad you like the vid. Unfortunately I have not had a chance to test ride it.

  • @pinoypridemtb
    @pinoypridemtb 4 года назад

    Hi , wondering if you can help me. Coil or air shock in Ripmo V2? Never used a coil shock before. Interested on this bike and debating to use coil or Air shock? By the way, I learned a lot on this video. Thanks!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Hi Dennis. Glad you liked it. Coil vs air is very personal preference. The V2 has a progressive enough design that coil is possible without constantly bottoming out. If you're hitting consistent terrain with lots of choppy small hits and not much uphill then coil might be a good option. If you hit bigger stuff or like changing it up from local XC-ish type trails to big park rising, then air might be a better bet as you can quickly and easily tweak it using a pump. Try demo the two (if you're able) in the spring.

    • @pinoypridemtb
      @pinoypridemtb 4 года назад

      Thanks! Very helpful!

    • @Fuse_146
      @Fuse_146 4 года назад

      Def a personal preference, but the cool thing is that Fox's air shock has made huge improvements, and their coil is already super predictable and even over the entire stroke. Personally, the coil is perfect for all the conditions I ride, from XC to DH. Demo or commit, you can't go wrong

  • @thetigers2803
    @thetigers2803 3 года назад

    Does this rule out a coil on a V1 Ripmo even if you used a progressive coil spring?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      A progressive coil spring would be doable on this bike for sure

    • @thetigers2803
      @thetigers2803 3 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Thanks you so much!

  • @edneldavid4324
    @edneldavid4324 4 года назад

    Awesome video.. Can you do review of the DELTA link suspension for Evil bikes.. especially the Offering model..

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      You're not the first to mention this bike :)

  • @dtal310
    @dtal310 3 года назад

    How do things change when looking at the 27.5 Mojo 4? Would be great to see a comparison against the Ripley. Great videos with tons of detail.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад

      Thanks for the question. Perhaps I will look into those two at a later date

  • @shadyss96
    @shadyss96 4 года назад

    Id love for you to check out the UNNO dash!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the input!

  • @Trailblazerz710
    @Trailblazerz710 4 года назад

    Thank you really helped me too understand the changes in the V1 vs V2. Could you do one on the new Guerrilla Gravity Modular frame bikes?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Never heard of them before. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @Cbagz795
    @Cbagz795 4 года назад

    Cool vid! I really enjoyed the technical content. I wonder what the differences would be in the YT Jeffsy Mk2 v Mk3.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback

  • @andrewgreenwood8727
    @andrewgreenwood8727 4 года назад

    Great vid fascinating !! Can you do a breakdown on the Transition sentinel V2 " giddy up " suspension please !!! 👍

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @fpainchaud350
    @fpainchaud350 4 года назад +2

    I would love to hear your thoughts on the Rocky Mountain's Element or Altitude.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      I think you might be the first to mention Rocky, even though their HQ is located about 40mins from my house

    • @edvictor3258
      @edvictor3258 4 года назад +1

      Do the Rocky Instinct!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@edvictor3258 Thanks for the input

    • @fpainchaud350
      @fpainchaud350 4 года назад +1

      It's a small company but I think that they make great bikes!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@fpainchaud350 Their XC Element bikes have been the goto choice for many pros locally

  • @lukedesaulniers4215
    @lukedesaulniers4215 4 года назад

    Would love to see the Devinci Troy 29, as a DW split-pivot bike with high anti-squat values. Cheers!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @tobywonkinoby8916
    @tobywonkinoby8916 4 года назад

    Very cool video. I love analytical content like this. Is there any chance you can analyze the new Santa Cruz v10 29er?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep the DH bike in mind

  • @RyuMoto
    @RyuMoto 4 года назад +1

    I've been waiting for this! Thank you!!!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Very welcome. This was one of my most ambitious and time intensive projects to date....hope you like it

    • @RyuMoto
      @RyuMoto 4 года назад

      It explains some of what I'm feeling in the Ripmo V1. Thanks much. I love these.

    • @RyuMoto
      @RyuMoto 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV I'll be honest, I had to watch this a few times to digest the concepts. It seems you like the V2 kinematics overall? Would that be accurate to say? Are there any situations where the V1 would be preferred? I noticed you said in the V1 the rear kinematics act to promote linear rates. Wouldn't that be beneficial in some situations?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@RyuMoto Not surprising.....I try to pack a lot of info in on the assumption that one can always rewind if necessary. For the style of riding I do I would prefer the V2. If you have a lot of smoother flowy terrain without big hits thrown in, then the V1 might be a good option. Or if you're a real fan of coil shocks but don't want the weight penalty or less fine-tuning that normally comes with a coil, then the V1 might be a good option.

  • @superlauhea
    @superlauhea 4 года назад

    Please do a Suspension Review for Delta Linkage Evil Wreckoning. BIG Big Thanks

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      You're not the first to mention this bike so looks likely it'll be done sometime sooner rather than later.

  • @tesistrailsamples8
    @tesistrailsamples8 4 года назад

    The ZERO suspension system from Mondraker would be interesting

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for the input

  • @jonathanzumwalt4392
    @jonathanzumwalt4392 4 года назад

    Can you speak on the advantages and disadvantages of having a higher starting point (V2 vs V1) in the leverage ratio?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Having a progressive start to the leverage ratio means that it should have better small bump compliance because the wheel force can easily overcome the shock friction (because it's got a bigger lever arm), and because damping forces are lower at lower shock speeds (which occur when the leverage ratio is higher). If the starting point is too high and the curve is too progressive overall (think Capra) then the shock gets firm quickly during it's travel as it ramps up so much.

  • @MatthewTafoya
    @MatthewTafoya 4 года назад

    Great analysis... do all the DW Links work the same and how does bike geometry affect the DW suspension. For example does the Pivot DW Switchblade pedal as efficiently as the Ripmo... also can you do a comparison between the old Pivot SB and the New SB.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      I've done the analysis but not the video. You'll have to stick around to find out :)

    • @MatthewTafoya
      @MatthewTafoya 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV subscription engaged... 👍

  • @jessecooper6310
    @jessecooper6310 4 года назад

    Giant Maestro analysis? Pretty please.

  • @joalst1
    @joalst1 4 года назад

    What are your thoughts about running a high engagement hub (ie. Industry 9) with the V2 considering the high anti-squat numbers? Would this exacerbate the feeling at the pedals? Would the suspension be fighting your pedals more when compared to a “traditional” hub?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +2

      IMO it would likely make the problem slightly worse especially since the suspension wouldn't be free to absorb the really tiny chatter on the trail without working against your pedals even on the smallest rocks (which normally would be taken up by the slack in pawl engagement). However, without getting on the trail with this latest bike with that hub setup it's hard to say.

    • @joalst1
      @joalst1 4 года назад +1

      Trail POV I had the same thought as well. I feel like this topic isn’t talked about much. Especially for those that run flat pedals. It seems reasonable to say that pedal kickback would be much more noticeable. I’m not even sure how you’d be able to perform that test with visible results beyond just trying it yourself, but it would be interesting to find out. Maybe high engagement hubs are optimal for high-pivot, idler-pulley bikes? The world may never know! Haha

  • @timothywee5360
    @timothywee5360 4 года назад

    Awesome stuff!! Could we have a video on the canyon strive, and how the shapeshifter system changes its suspension? Thanks!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +3

      Thanks very much. There have been several requests for the Canyon so it very much may make it into a future video.

  • @stevengien5409
    @stevengien5409 4 года назад

    i would be interested in seeing the DW link compared to the split pivot used by Devinci

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the suggestion. Several have wondered this same thing.

  • @claritean
    @claritean 4 года назад

    Absolutely awesome stuff! Could I ask for DELTA analysis?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Delta is coming this week

  • @xbr2520
    @xbr2520 4 года назад

    Nice vid, but what about the Ripmo AF? Any differences?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      Ripmo V2 is the same as the AF except in carbon

  • @alpinehighs
    @alpinehighs 4 года назад

    Great video but you haven’t addressed how you tune the progression with volume spacers. Metric shocks in particular need careful tuning with volume spacers to adjust the ride feel.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Unfortunately I can only cover so much in these videos. I use the same shock curve for ever bike so I can compare frame to frame without taking into account shock tunes...which is an art to itself

    • @alpinehighs
      @alpinehighs 4 года назад

      Trail POV would be good to see a video on this. Use a well known popular bike and show the effects of adding and removing spacers/tokens.

  • @SuperERICZ
    @SuperERICZ 3 года назад

    What was the change in the pivot/linkage geometry between the two models? Wondering if there’s a potential for some parts change to update a V1 to the newer kinematic or if it’s a function of pivot location in the frame and swingarm.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  3 года назад +1

      The new bike appears to have the shock mounted lower down on the down-tube making it impossible for you to just take the shock U-link for instance from the V2 bike and using it on the V1. The whole rear triangle looks almost untouched.

    • @SuperERICZ
      @SuperERICZ 3 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Thanks for the reply. I ask because I’ve been wondering if an offset bushing installed to raise the forward shock mount would help the deeper end of the stroke. The linkage yoke is very close to the swingarm with the bike unloaded, not sure if there’s clearance to attempt to lower the forward shock mount.

  • @bahoooutot
    @bahoooutot 4 года назад

    Hi really love your content. Do you think you can do an older model like the mojo hd3?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the input

  • @felipefarias7654
    @felipefarias7654 4 года назад

    Is there a trade-off on having lower Anti-Rise numbers? (say, like the Scott Ransom 54%)

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      The bike will be able to pitch forward a lot more when braking rather than remaining very level if the anti-rise is very low. But it does result in a more lively suspension that isn't affected by braking as much.

    • @felipefarias7654
      @felipefarias7654 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Nice! I guess that it comes to preferences then. Which range would you say is the "sweet spot" in your experience?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@felipefarias7654 It definitely does come down to preference. Between my experience and reading about a lot of bikes it seems like between 70 and 90 is the sweet spot

    • @felipefarias7654
      @felipefarias7654 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Great info and awesome channel mate! i'm learning a lot, thanks.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      @@felipefarias7654 Great to hear. Thanks!

  • @FerruuhNulZeven
    @FerruuhNulZeven 4 года назад

    can you do the commencal meta am

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      It is in the queue....along with the Forbidden Druid

  • @patrixdan2661
    @patrixdan2661 4 года назад

    Hi, thank you for the great videos. They are really helpful and interesting. I ride a ripmo af (or v2) with a jade x coil shock. Sometimes I was bottoming out although my sag was around 27 %, so I swapped to a progressive canecreek spring with the same initial spring rate of 450 lbs. At the same time I changed the chain and shortened it 2 more links then recommended to make the bike absolutely quiet. Now the bike feels less supple und bigger hits. Does the shorter chain affect pedal kickback and the suppleness of the suspension? Or is more due to the progressive coil? If it is more because of the coil, do you think I could improve it by decreasing the bladder pressure of the shock? Thank you in advance. Cheers!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      My guess it that has to do with the progressive coil. Making it softer can be accomplished with lighter spring or lower bladder pressure. Lowering the spring with make your bike less poppy and lively while lower bladder pressure alone with make your bike more lively. Kinda depends on what you're looking for....a planted feeling or being able to hop and bounce over and off things down the trail.

    • @patrixdan2661
      @patrixdan2661 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV thank you. Actually I am looking for both. Planted and some pop when needed. So I am going to lower the bladder pressure. Maybe I'll have to speed up the rebound then.

  • @donjf12
    @donjf12 4 года назад

    Great stuff, your clearly onto something with these reviews and explaining how all the designs work, you make them easy to grasp. I see many requests for all kinds of designs so I guess I will put mine in as well, the Propain Spindrift or Commencal with idler pulley or new Canfield. If you haven't already posted, what is your goto suspension design?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Thanks for the input. Feel free to join me on my Patreon polls to vote for the next vid. As to my goto design, based on what I've learned I'm leaning toward the Yeti or Ripmo V2 designs so far, but I can't afford either so I'll just stick with my bike 🙂

    • @donjf12
      @donjf12 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV I hear that, I fancy the design I can afford as well.

  • @NDemanuele1
    @NDemanuele1 4 года назад

    I just bought the Ripmo V1...LOL.
    It would be interesting to compare Ibis' DW and Yeti Infinity.

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      I'm sure you'll love it. If you wanted to compare Ibis and Yeti you could look at my other video on the SB150 to get an idea how they compare.

    • @NDemanuele1
      @NDemanuele1 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Thanks! I have to say Ibis is one of the best! I have a Ripley too. I recently demo'd an SC Hightower and I think I experienced some pedal bob while climbing, where the front wheel wandered a bit on the climb - this is what 'pedal bob' means? - I was disappointed since it pedaled so well before climbing.
      Never experienced that on an Ibis or a Yeti. They track so well!

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@NDemanuele1 Ibis do make some nice bikes for sure. Pedal bob actually is when the back suspension bounces slightly up and down when pedalling due to interaction of your body weight (being transferred rearward as you accelerate) and the chain forces. Generally if your front end gets light it's because the seat tube angle is set further back so your weight is more over the rear of the bike and thus when climbing you have no weight on the front end to keep it down.

    • @NDemanuele1
      @NDemanuele1 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV Interesting, thanks for the explanation!

    • @NDemanuele1
      @NDemanuele1 4 года назад

      @@TrailPOV I wonder if you experienced the same with the Hightower if you demo'd it?
      I'm surprised SC isn't as plush as an Ibis by now.

  • @dipo4life2010
    @dipo4life2010 4 года назад

    Are you reading this of some kind of spec sheet or website descriptions?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      I custom calculate everything based on 2D CAD diagrams provided by the manufacturer

    • @dipo4life2010
      @dipo4life2010 4 года назад

      Trail POV not bad 👍🏽. Do you ride them too?

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад +1

      @@dipo4life2010 At this point no, but I have talked with several bike stores about the possibility of doing this, to find out if I can actually sense the differences that appear on paper

    • @dipo4life2010
      @dipo4life2010 4 года назад

      Trail POV that would make your findings on paper even more accurate or far from it. It will give you a better opinion on both bikes and overall comparisons

  • @MasterChronometer
    @MasterChronometer 4 года назад

    I’d like to hear your thoughts on a ‘full floating’ design like vitus or trek

    • @TrailPOV
      @TrailPOV  4 года назад

      Interestingly, with the improvements to shock technology very few of Trek's bikes use the full-floater anymore.