The West Wing: Two Words the President Doesn’t Want to Hear [CLIP] | TNT
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- During his debate prep, President Bartlet struggles to articulate his stance on racial profiling.
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Sam doing the Bartlet impression will stay with me forever.
Rob Lowe has known the Sheen family for decades. He’s been practicing his whole life. Now try to imagine Charlie Sheen doing a Sam Seaborn.
"How you doing there Joey ... Kippy"
"Kenny"
"Okay"
I love how Bartlet casually glosses over that he doesn't really bother with everyone's name.
"Bother" wtf
"Tell me one thing."
"Yessir?"
"Have I gotten any of the names right so far?"
"No, sir, but you came damn close on a few of em."
"Okay."
Martin Sheen actually had trouble remembering characters' names, so they just rolled with it and made it one of Bartlett's traits.
“Bite me” would have fit right in with the tone of some more recent debates.
@Capitalist Pig I don't understand... There are roughly 60 millions Americans registered with the Democratic party.
To put things into perspective:
•620,000 Americans died during the Civil War;
•Covid-19 has killed a little over 5 million people worldwide to this day;
•About 11 million people were killed in the Holocaust.
But here you just casually state that 60 million people should be killed, and I wonder...
Do you genuinely want them all killed, or do you just think it's funny to pretend you do?
@Capitalist Pig So.... Most of them?
You know that there are very, very few avowed communists in the United States, and most of them do not even like the Democratic party, right? It's not left-wing enough to their taste.
So basically you went from "kill all Democrats" to "the few Democrats who are also communists".
I suspect you didn't really think this through. I even wonder if you even know what communists actually stand for...
@Capitalist Pig Oh tell me how you really feel...
"Not human", "vermin to be exterminated"... So much hate.
Why do you hate them so much? I mean, you specifically call out for COMMUNISTS to be exterminated. Not fascists, not white supremacists, not neo-nazis. Communists. What have American communists done that was so bad they deserve to be killed?
@Capitalist Pig This level of ignorance is frightening, though not at all surprising in the current climate of disinformation.
"White supremacists are racists so I lump them in with communist's good point." You still haven't answered my most basic of questions: what is it that you think American communists stand for? What have they done to make you hate them so much?
"fact of the matter is a genocide IS going to occur. The Communists in the Democratic party would kill patriots wholesale if they could so it's a matter of us vs them." The only one I see calling for genocide is YOU. Let's focus on why YOU think genocide is warranted. No deflecting, no projecting.
"why else do they want to seize guns and are pro lockdown." A lot to unpack here. They don't want to "seize guns". They want more rigorous background checks. It is currently easier to get a job than a driver's license. And they are pretty open about why they want more rigorous background checks: because there is an epidemic of gun violence in the USA.
As for being "pro-lockdown", again they are very forthright about their reasons: to slow the spread of infection from covid. Notice that no Democrat is currently calling for a lockdown, they are calling for people to get vaccinated and wear masks when not able to do social distancing. Any Democrat would tell you this is only until covid is under control. It's not a political ideology, it's just following the science.
"Look at Kenosha, those evil "people" that attacked Kyle Rittenhouse, one was a pedophile, the other a serial wife beater. they were not hesitating at would have executed the kid if he did not respond." So at Kenosha there was a protest because a white police officer shot a black guy. This, of course, doesn't bother you in the slightest, you probably assume the guy had it coming. Nevertheless, people were getting angry about this and started protesting. Then we got Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17 year old guy who opposed the protest, but instead of letting the police deal with it, decided to take an AR-15 and join a group of vigilantes to allegedly "protect businesses". One might think he went into those streets with a semi-automatic rifle because he was spoiling for a fight. (Maybe he wanted to kill some Democrats?)
Then he heard a gunshot, and turned towards an unarmed man who was following him. That man then tried to disarm him, and Rittenhouse shot him. He shot an unarmed man who only attacked him because he was armed. Then a crowd of a dozen people chased him down a street, also because they wanted to disarm the young maniac with a gun. Rittenhouse then shot another unarmed man (unless you consider a skateboard a weapon) and finally he shot a third man who did point a handgun at him.
Rittenhouse got acquitted, because, well, he WAS defending himself after all. The people he shot WERE attacking him (albeit non-lethally) But the whole mess could have been avoided if he'd just stayed home, or left without a gun, or simply tried de-escalation instead of a shoot-first mentality. One victim being a pedophile and the other being a domestic abuser is immaterial. Rittenhouse did not know about these things, and if he had killed them for it he would have been charged with murder.
"That is the average democrat activist at that point." You know, I'm starting to think the problem is you don't know any Democrats. You've built this strawman in your mind of the evil, communist, Democrat and you are focusing all your hate in this pure fabrication. No wonder you think Democrats aren't human. You need to get your head out of whatever echo chamber you've been buried for I don't know how long. Talk to a few actual Democrats without threatening to kill them. Find out what they really believe.
If you'd like to keep this discussion going, here are the questions I'd like you to answer:
1) What do you think is the basis of Communist thought/ideology? In just a few words.
2) What is your ideology? I'm both interested in the label you would use (conservative? libertarian?) and how you would define your ideology.
3) What do you think of other countries like Canada, the UK, Australia, other European countries, who generally have stricter gun control laws and single-payer healthcare? Are they all communist?
4) how do you know all the things you know (or think you know)? Where do you get your news/information? How do you know whether that information is trustworthy?
5) do you still believe in democracy, as in, the people should choose their leaders? Would you prefer to have a country run by a right-wing dictator who took over by military coup, or by a left-wing President who simply got a majority of the popular vote?
6) I assume you are strongly supportive of the police, hate Black Lives Matter (you probably think they are racist and communist), but also you seem to be strongly in favor of vigilantism? You are apparently a-ok with 17-year-olds patrolling the streets with a semi-automatic rifle and a chip on their shoulder... Why don't you simply trust the police to handle the policing if you think they are doing such a good job?
"Are you doing me?"
"I may have slipped into it."
hahaha!
I mean, Sam is his speech writer. It’s his actual job to sound like Bartlett.
@@_the_bomb Plus Rob Lowe was known to have a great Martin Sheen imitation, unlike his later speechwriter, Will Bailey (Joshua Malina).
Leo is a quick whisper, underrated skill for a Chief of Staff
“Not in New Jersey” I see what you did there
I'm from New Jersey. Toby was right.
Everything’s legal in New Jersey
I like how Kenny is always signing in the background. Good attention to detail
Apparently he did it when anyone said anything. Before and after they said Cut!
As Marlee Marlin is Deaf, I can only imagine having her aide, screen or irl, signing to her when someone else was talking but not within her sight line made it possible for her to follow both the scene and directions from the director.
You cut off the punchline this entire scene was building up to. Good job
Sorkin's West Wing was brilliant. The dynamics were great, the realism was there and of course, there was C.J. doing The Jackal.
I didn't notice it in 7 seasons of The West Wing, but the Bartlett-voice Sam is doing sounds a little bit like Al Gore.
Actually, Sam’s Bartlett-voice is sometimes a better New Hampshire accent than Martin Sheen’s. Especially this time.
Al Gore’s accent has just a bit of Tennessee, and more D.C. hotel (which is where he was raised).
I thought I'd heard that voice somewhere before.
"Not in new jersey" hell yea
I find it criminal I never saw this show. The last time I felt like this was when TNT showed reruns of ER.
Plenty of opportunities to acquire it. Personally I own the entire show on iTunes and re-watch it all the time :)
Netflix
Netflix has it, First 4 seasons are gold and while quality slipped a bit its still a good watch all the way through.
It doesn't go away.
I wonder if Don’s response of “bite me” to the republican in the Newsroom episode about hosting a debate was a reference to Bartlett’s “bite me”
Sorkin loves reusing his own material, so maybe.
@@gnomesaiyan1680 Yep, the phrase "We're going to raise the level of debate in this country" is used in the Newsroom and The West Wing.
@@aajw98 in The Newsroom as well? Can’t remember that! Where, do you by any chance know? 🙏
I'm a little disappointed that Leo didn't start doing a Bartlett impression
They cut off the best part!
What part is that?
After Bartlet says, "How much time do I have left?" Leo says, "47 hours, 41 minutes."
How do you cut off the punch line?
I've seen this clip several times and I still can't figure out what the "two words" are.
I’m from NJ- he might actually do well with that line.
"I agreed to be locked up with you people for 48 hrs, how much time do I have left?" 🤣
I believe the answer was, "47 hours, 43 minutes."
1:37-not half bad.
And those two words are?
Debate Prep
@@mavoc3094 See, I thought it was "Bite me."
@@AraRubyan Well that wouldn't make sense -- he's the one who said them.
Racial profiling
Affirmative action.
I have watched this series several times, and this is the first time I remember Bartlett referring to the Israeli Thunder Fighters as Boeing F-15E Strike Eagles. The F-15E Strike Eagle is built by McDonnell Douglass, not Boeing! LOL...
Boeing owned McDonnell Douglas at the time of this episode.
Plus, if some historical event caused presidential elections to be offset by 2 years, who knows what minor changes to the timeline we can handwave away?
What's funny is the actual debate wasn't nearly so articulate. They made Richie into the ultimate strawman.
Yes, but that's the point of a fictional show with a particular viewpoint. They are going to write it and act it so their view is shown to be the better one 99% of the time. For me, that doesn't take away from the top-notch writing and acting. I found this an amazingly entertaining show.
Sorkin has explained that he wanted to essentially re-run the Bush/Gore debates with Ritchie as a stand-in for Bush, in order to challenge the notion that appearing “too smart” is a liability-i.e. that “nobody likes the smartest kid in the class”.
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar That's fine. Except that they built Richie up as such a threat for most of season 3 and 4, that having him appear as an empty shirt at the end seemed...lazy? Looking at this, you'd think "why did they worry about him so much? He's hopelessly outgunned by Bartlett."
@@tyranusfan I get what you’re saying, but ironically, that’s exactly Aaron’s point. Ritchie is a threat precisely BECAUSE he’s an empty shirt. Early on, Toby and the President are the only ones who understand this, but everyone else gets it pretty quickly. CJ worries that Ritchie benefits from low expectations: “I feel like if, and only if, Ritchie accidentally lights his podium on fire does the President have a fighting chance.” Josh, like most Democrats, are concerned that Ritchie’s sound-bite style of speaking will be an appealing contrast to a lot of voters: “Most people weren’t the smartest kid in the class. Most people didn’t like the smartest kid in the class.” Meanwhile, Toby refers to Ritchie as a “hairdo from Florida” while constantly fretting about Pres. Bartlet trying to be folksy and plain-spoken, rather than the “heavyweight” with a fierce intellect that he is. He marvels at how Ritchie gets huge applause from utterly incoherent lines, and notes that the demystification of the presidency has made voters think that anyone can do the job, and so the only way to expose Ritchie’s empty-shirtedness as disqualifying is for Pres. Bartlet to come out onto the debate stage in his smarty-pants, guns blazing.
Have I watched this show waaaaay too many times? Nope. Nope. Little bit. 😉
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar that is a good take. And that is how I see it too. They saw him as a threat precisely because he was an empty shirt
Boeing F-15s... the F-15 was a McDonnell-Douglas design, not a Boeing one.
True, but McDonnell-Douglas was bought and absorbed into Boeing in the late 90s, so my the time this episode aired, it would be labeled a Boeing F-15.
Do reruns of West wing show on tnt now?
Just coming to ask the same thing. I watch a lot of The Closer/Major Crimes clips. I assumed that's why this is in my 'feed.'
pressroom.warnermedia.com/ca/media-release/tnts-friday-west-wing-marathons-galvanize-voters-throughout-october
Found it! Only on Friday's. Only during October 2020. For the US elections.
Full season on netflix
Not anymore taken off at Christmas now only streaming on HBO Max
Full seasons on Yes movies app as well
If they were to do a spinoff (Law & Order SVU, NCIS New Orleans) of West Wing, they should bring back Rob Lowe, as President; and be titled 'The West Wing, Seaborne Administration.'
The beginning or pilot episodes (or miniseries to start with) would be Sam in whatever today's office he would be in (Governor, for example) and have flashbacks to some episodes like this impersonation of Bartlett. Some of the actor's who played in the original and new actor's would be in the spinoff. For example Janney who is portraying CJ, would be the new chief of staff, but have a new actor portray the press secretary.
Charlie as chief of staff!
CJ was already COS for the 2nd Bartlet administration...
@@gabrielabagala She should be VP.
@@scottautry9981 CJ has already made her contribution, now let her enjoy California, Danny and their children. Maybe Charlie could be a good COS, and Josh VP…he's a workaholic, I don't think he retired after the Santos administration.
@@gabrielabagala I think I agree with you on Josh but Charlie would be a bit young for CoS.
Er, I was going to say Charlie was a bit young for the position but presuming he was just out of high school when he joined the West Wing, he would be around 40 now. (OUCH)
Why don't we have a Pres Bartlett.
Because Democrats would rather lament about not having someone like Bartlett than actually go out and find someone like him or better.
His name was Obama and he was the most intelligent U.S President for longer than I've been alive.
You did, his name was Bill Clinton.
@@Gredddfe Barack Obama was an exceptional candidate.
Can I say that Marlee Matlin is gorgeous.
Creeper who can’t punctuate a question thinks it’s 1955.
As Charlie would say, “she’s a fine looking woman, Theo”.
2:14. "Boeing." Ah, for the days when Boeing still stood for quality.
SO what are the 2 words the president doesn't want to hear??
Racial Profiling
I'm sorry I mean why"cant"we have.
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This doesn’t make much sense. Would a Republican presidential candidate go after him on racial profiling?
It was a different time. And the answer was yes. Identity politics was not so deeply ingrained into the party system at the time. No one actively scored points by employing dogwhistles, and being perceived as racist was bad for any politician in any party.
"West Asia" otherwise known as the "middle east".
Yes. Middle East being a euro-centrist POV. West Asia is an objective measure of geography as it is west on the Asian continent. What is it "middle east" from?
"You're Fired". For those Millennials, this is one of the trade marks of President, Donald Trump!
"not in New Jersey" in fairness, that's how Trump won the rust belt
I for one would have loved to see Sam do a lot more Bartlett, but that scene was a wonderful way for the writers to knock Lowe down a peg or two, he was pulling a major high-and-mighty the whole time on that show.
Now he's slumming it on pothead movies. Let that be a lesson. Stay humble.
Ok I see where shonda rhimes 👍
I love this series with all my heart, but with all these questions about racial profiling, the one black cast member gets two reaction shots and the one black woman extra stands in the background, while all the white people debate around them... not a good look.
It looks fine. The one thing we're figuring out more and more as time goes on is that you can't fix institutionalized racism without the people known to be inherently racist at the debate. Charlie isn't a character that informs on policy, as a character. And the extra was, well... an extra
@@AudioArcturia Yeah, I know. But it would've been just that much stronger if a black person got to voice an opinion on the matter. Granted, it was 15 years ago, and it's still better than most of the rhetoric we use today. We live and we learn.
beat that with a stick.
@@Vesperitis It also was not the point, the point was as Toby said, "Fundamentally, what was the story with Rooker?", President Barlett already stated his position on his stance on racial profiling, which is that he is against it. There was no reason for to force a scene like that because ultimately it wasn't really about the racial profiling itself, its about being loosely tied to a person that is. All the people in charge of communications, press, polling, and a member of the senate were offering suggestions or commenting, as it should be.
Basically as Toby said following Josh's suggestion is to skip the nominee and make it about their law enforcement stance instead of the Attorney General Nominee, "That's not going to be the question."
I would be asking Charlie's opinion as it is very relevent.
Affirmative action and quotas... are the same thing. That's a bullshit answer.
worst part is he's a massive trump supporter
This isn't Jon Voight, this is Martin Sheen
Rob Lowe is often said to be a Republican, I don't know how much of a Trumper he is though
Martin Sheen is literally on the Biden fundraiser. No Rob Lowe though.
And if he were...so what..get over yourself