The Charge HQ solar excess charging app featured at 13 minutes into the video is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. I switched from my also ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT MyEnergi Zappi EVSE as Charge HQ can see my DC coupled battery which is an advantage for my reconfigured SolarEdge inverter. The app is currently free.
Great video. One more to add to the list is "BP Pulse" who have won funding in NSW, and just opened their first non-subsidised station in Victoria. Also in other states for DC you might need Smart Charge (green logo) (Tas and WA), Elanga (Qld), Exploren (mostly AC but one public DC in NSW)
So helpful for newbies like me. Maybe also worth offering guidance on which category some of the other terminology like destination chargers falls into
That was excellent; clear and through explanation, I had so many questions answered, and will be sharing this video with my partner so she can also get up to speed. Cheers.
Excellent guide. Love the real life examples. I am starting to think that in my scenario it would be better to charge slower, so I can still run the other stuff around the house using solar, and never go above what I can generate (8kWh). If the car uses 7kWh to charge itself, there's not much left to run the house 🤔 Unless I got everything wrong 😂
Great stuff. By the way my understanding was Level 1 AC charging mostly applied to 120V EVSE? (not in Australia) and on 240V 10A+ it's quite a reasonable speed for intermittent background charging at home.
A good guide Tom, good for noobs and even experienced EV drivers/owners to watch this. Nice to see Tom from State of Charge in a pic as well. :) (Brotha from another motha as Bjorn may say :) )
Excellent thanks Tom...much needed! Very well explained and thorough👍. Just a thought: to cut down on possibility of vandalism of the charging stations (which some have reported), wouldn't it be better to have a cable supplied with the car, rather than permanently attached to the charger 'bowser', thereby giving the vandal less to wreck?
Yes. Otherwise an alternative is this product: BLUETOOTH CONTROLLED ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGER | Ocular LTE Plus Review ruclips.net/video/MOTuw0AixAU/видео.html
Good summary TT. However you've missed the DC chargers like the ones popular in Newcastle NSW. These are all BYO cable and are referred to as "type 2" on the plugshare app. This can be confusing I think.
If you’re referring to the chargers by the sports ground, the DC chargers are tethered (take a look at the photos on PlugShare) whereas the Type 2 AC chargers are untethered and require BYO cable
Great Vid, Tom. What AC charger do you recommend if we are going to Tesla and/or other EVs at home in future? We have a three-phase power, plan for multiple AC chargers for the front yard, and street parking. It is a flat rate tariff with 5kw solar, should I consider a power wall or using EVs as backup power storage? does the DC charger damage the battery more than the slower AC charger? thanks.
If you’re planning multiple AC chargers I recommend either the Tesla Gen 3 wall connectors OR the Ocular range from EVSE Australia - check out my videos on both products. At present only the Nissan LEAF can perform Vehicle to Load/Home and even then, it’s only under a pilot trial. I’m sure more EVs will provide this feature in future. Bjorn from Norway has discussed on his channel that consistently driving away after DC charging close to 100% when the battery is still warm can potentially affect the longevity of your EV battery
Hey Tom, thanks for the video.. Could I ask if in your experience you have found the 5m cable sufficient on the road for the type 2 to type 2 connector? Is there a need to go for the longer 7m one? Cheers..
I was about to pick up one of those type 2 chargers with adaptable tails “just in case”, but then realised they’re almost 2k! At that price they are only for the people who know they really need it.
For the Tesla UMC, you can buy third-party tails that will plug into just about anything. I bought a 5-pin 32A tail to plug into Showground sockets and similar for $160. Note the Gen 2 Tesla UMC is single phase only.
Here’s a thought. Why not buy a spare tyre and rim and leave it in the wonderfully cavernous boot (elephants and yanks have trunks) and hide the Jack in there somewhere as well. No wait, the extra weight would reduce your distance capacity. Hmm. What to do. But hey, it’s clean and green and, hang on, how much did you pay for the key fob? (Which comes standard with those ‘other’ vehicles - sorry Greta, I had to mention them). One question I have to ask, and yes I have watched a few videos on EVs in Australia, how often would you have to stop on a trip to, for example , Canberra or Bathurst or holiday to Lightening Ridge, and how much time would be spent each stop?. This is a genuine question, would like to know the stats.
For those interested, check out our family’s EV journey from Sydney to Melbourne in a BYD Atto 3 BYD ATTO 3 EV DRIVE FROM SYDNEY TO MELBOURNE IN ONE DAY | January 2023 ruclips.net/video/3T9KUInbzWA/видео.html
We are about to go one our first long road trip, I'm using PlugShare and now I'm terrified of turning up to these places and not having the right plugs... The app seems to say the Model Y is compatible with "Tesla (Fast)", "CCS/SAE", "Tesla", "Type 2", "Three Phase", and "Wall". Problem is based on the images, only the "Type 2" and "Wall" are correct? Should I be excluding CCS/SAE for example as that looks like the old school CCS1 not the newer CCS2? Same with both the "Tesla" types, which don't look right? Not sure if it's just how the app is showing it but it's surprisingly hard to get accurate information ANYWHERE on the internet about some of these charging locations otherwise :( To make it even more confusing it seems that some places which only show "CCS/SAE" and "CHAdeMO" still have Model Y's checking in. I'm not sure if that's showing that CCS/SAE doesn't make a difference between type 1 and 2 or if they have some sort of adapter?
You can safely assume that 95% of “CCS/SAE” is CCS2 in Australia and will be compatible with your Model Y. If you see that a Model Y has successfully checked in and charged then you will be ok 👍 Have a great trip!
Hey Tom, got a question around the charging cables/solution i need. Just bought a new Model Y and am getting the Tesla wall box installed to use with Charge HQ but now Tesla don't provide a "granny charger" with their cars, do you recommend I buy one in addition to a type 2 cable to use with untethered charge points? It's a considerable extra and I'm just not sure how often I'd need it. I get the type 2 cable so I can use other charge points but I feel I'm more likely to do that than slow charge from a 10amp socket? What's yoiur thoughts and experience now you've had the cars for a few years? Love the videaos btw, especially as it's highly relevant to me as we live in the same area. I see my house on your drive by videos all the time :-)
Elon has said Tesla will open up.. they will. And it won't just be the co-funded NSW ones. It's also consistent with the Tesla mission statement - "Accelerating the World's Transition to Sustainable Energy". And for those Tesla owners who complain - just think Tesla will deliver more new cars in Australia this quarter, than the sum total of non-Tesla CCS2 cars in Australia today (and at least based on what they've done in Europe, non-Teslas will be paying a 25% premium, so 87c/kWh or so)
@@LudicrousFeed I suspect Tesla will open up before then.. but we will see. Also hopeful that with the NSW requirements for AC backup (and what Tesla has done in Margaret River) that we see a lot more paid AC chargers as well. Eg. Macquarie Centre could do with say 20 Tesla Wall Chargers (at say 30c/kWh) for those who might want to watch a movie, or go ice skating
I came here to share some laughs, could have rented a tesla for chrissy to drive 2800kms return... lol every single place we stopped that had a charging station had at least 15 to 20 cars lined up waiting to charge. Now Tesla owners I talked with were so pissed.... im like look, what do you expect? when i plan a trip i look for cheap petrol just like every other smart car owner. When you buy a tesla its not like its a secret that there isnt enough chargers and never will be because the electric grid cant support them. So to all the green drivers, thanks for supporting the coal fired power stations over your holiday break because, thanks to such a huge demand for power they were SPEWING out thousands possibly millions of tonnes of co2 due to the over extended demand from the superchargers.... hahaha Makes an efficent 4cylinder turbo look good huh ;)
Last I checked, an EV charging from the grid (even if purely coal fired) would still produce less emissions than an ICE using petrol/diesel for an equivalent distance travelled. - Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water and clinging onto old technology, I’m hoping we’ll see some innovative solutions from smarter people to cope with charging demands during peak periods
Thank you for supporting Ludicrous Feed!
I’ve owned my model 3 for two years and the video still told me stuff I didn’t know! Thanks Tom much appreciated!
I also learn something new everyday!
Do u stil have it? Would u recommend it
@@Stolencamaro definitely 👍
The Charge HQ solar excess charging app featured at 13 minutes into the video is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. I switched from my also ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT MyEnergi Zappi EVSE as Charge HQ can see my DC coupled battery which is an advantage for my reconfigured SolarEdge inverter. The app is currently free.
Charge HQ is brilliant
Thanks for uploading the many helpful videos.
Joined power shop and used your referral.
Thanks very much!
Very useful for someone considering their first ev. Only just today we visited tesla sydney to look at the model y. Thank you
Pleasure
Great video.
One more to add to the list is "BP Pulse" who have won funding in NSW, and just opened their first non-subsidised station in Victoria.
Also in other states for DC you might need Smart Charge (green logo) (Tas and WA), Elanga (Qld), Exploren (mostly AC but one public DC in NSW)
Great suggestions!
Awesome video Tom! Great summary on everything to do with charging. Will definitely share this with friends who are new to EVs.
Thanks! I hope many EV owners find this info useful
Thanks for the video, Tom. This is the video I have been waiting for. Thanks for all the work you put into this. It is very much appreciated.
Pleasure
So helpful for newbies like me. Maybe also worth offering guidance on which category some of the other terminology like destination chargers falls into
Glad it was helpful
Destination chargers = Level 2 AC
Thanks as always Tom! Learning more and more everyday! Always look forward to the next upload
Glad you find the videos helpful 👍
That was excellent; clear and through explanation, I had so many questions answered, and will be sharing this video with my partner so she can also get up to speed. Cheers.
Glad you found it helpful 👍
Excellent guide. Love the real life examples.
I am starting to think that in my scenario it would be better to charge slower, so I can still run the other stuff around the house using solar, and never go above what I can generate (8kWh).
If the car uses 7kWh to charge itself, there's not much left to run the house 🤔
Unless I got everything wrong 😂
That’s a perfectly logical way to approach it 👍
Great stuff. By the way my understanding was Level 1 AC charging mostly applied to 120V EVSE? (not in Australia) and on 240V 10A+ it's quite a reasonable speed for intermittent background charging at home.
Thanks Tom, I needed this video right about now - planning on what charger to buy/install. really helped.
Pleasure! I’m glad you found it useful 👍
A good guide Tom, good for noobs and even experienced EV drivers/owners to watch this. Nice to see Tom from State of Charge in a pic as well. :) (Brotha from another motha as Bjorn may say :) )
We’re all one big EV family!
Excellent thanks Tom...much needed! Very well explained and thorough👍.
Just a thought: to cut down on possibility of vandalism of the charging stations (which some have reported), wouldn't it be better to have a cable supplied with the car, rather than permanently attached to the charger 'bowser', thereby giving the vandal less to wreck?
For AC charging yes, I’d say untethered units reduce the risk of vandalism
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks. But why only AC?
I’m not keen on carrying a DC cable - have you felt how heavy they are??
Do they even exist as a consumer product
@@LudicrousFeed Oh I didn't know they were heavy🤔.
I was thinking the car manufacturers could supply them with the car.
Excellent thorough summary! Love my Tesla/Zappi combination :)
Enjoy!
Great to have you cover non-Tesla stuff 🙂
I’m for all EVs
Very helpful, thank you
Pleasure
Great video. Thank you
Pleasure!
Are the gen 3 tesla charges the best ones to get…? For model y
Yes. Otherwise an alternative is this product:
BLUETOOTH CONTROLLED ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGER | Ocular LTE Plus Review
ruclips.net/video/MOTuw0AixAU/видео.html
Good summary TT. However you've missed the DC chargers like the ones popular in Newcastle NSW. These are all BYO cable and are referred to as "type 2" on the plugshare app. This can be confusing I think.
If you’re referring to the chargers by the sports ground, the DC chargers are tethered (take a look at the photos on PlugShare) whereas the Type 2 AC chargers are untethered and require BYO cable
@@LudicrousFeed What, really? I totally overlooked that they had those. See, confusing! To me!
Is it bad to charge a model 3 at a destination charger often? Say every 4 days when range is at 50% or should I wait until it reaches 20% or lower?
I’d say cycling to 50% is acceptable
For our 2019 M3P NMC Battery, we cycle between 55-80% every 1-2 days
@@LudicrousFeed thanks
Great Vid, Tom. What AC charger do you recommend if we are going to Tesla and/or other EVs at home in future? We have a three-phase power, plan for multiple AC chargers for the front yard, and street parking. It is a flat rate tariff with 5kw solar, should I consider a power wall or using EVs as backup power storage? does the DC charger damage the battery more than the slower AC charger? thanks.
If you’re planning multiple AC chargers I recommend either the Tesla Gen 3 wall connectors OR the Ocular range from EVSE Australia - check out my videos on both products. At present only the Nissan LEAF can perform Vehicle to Load/Home and even then, it’s only under a pilot trial. I’m sure more EVs will provide this feature in future. Bjorn from Norway has discussed on his channel that consistently driving away after DC charging close to 100% when the battery is still warm can potentially affect the longevity of your EV battery
Hey Tom, thanks for the video.. Could
I ask if in your experience you have found the 5m cable sufficient on the road for the type 2 to type 2 connector? Is there a need to go for the longer 7m one? Cheers..
I’ve found the 5m cable to be sufficient for all my public charging thus far
@@LudicrousFeed Thank you very much for the quick response!
I was about to pick up one of those type 2 chargers with adaptable tails “just in case”, but then realised they’re almost 2k! At that price they are only for the people who know they really need it.
Indeed!
For the Tesla UMC, you can buy third-party tails that will plug into just about anything. I bought a 5-pin 32A tail to plug into Showground sockets and similar for $160. Note the Gen 2 Tesla UMC is single phase only.
Here’s a thought. Why not buy a spare tyre and rim and leave it in the wonderfully cavernous boot (elephants and yanks have trunks) and hide the Jack in there somewhere as well. No wait, the extra weight would reduce your distance capacity. Hmm. What to do. But hey, it’s clean and green and, hang on, how much did you pay for the key fob? (Which comes standard with those ‘other’ vehicles - sorry Greta, I had to mention them). One question I have to ask, and yes I have watched a few videos on EVs in Australia, how often would you have to stop on a trip to, for example , Canberra or Bathurst or holiday to Lightening Ridge, and how much time would be spent each stop?. This is a genuine question, would like to know the stats.
For those interested, check out our family’s EV journey from Sydney to Melbourne in a BYD Atto 3
BYD ATTO 3 EV DRIVE FROM SYDNEY TO MELBOURNE IN ONE DAY | January 2023
ruclips.net/video/3T9KUInbzWA/видео.html
We are about to go one our first long road trip, I'm using PlugShare and now I'm terrified of turning up to these places and not having the right plugs... The app seems to say the Model Y is compatible with "Tesla (Fast)", "CCS/SAE", "Tesla", "Type 2", "Three Phase", and "Wall". Problem is based on the images, only the "Type 2" and "Wall" are correct? Should I be excluding CCS/SAE for example as that looks like the old school CCS1 not the newer CCS2? Same with both the "Tesla" types, which don't look right? Not sure if it's just how the app is showing it but it's surprisingly hard to get accurate information ANYWHERE on the internet about some of these charging locations otherwise :( To make it even more confusing it seems that some places which only show "CCS/SAE" and "CHAdeMO" still have Model Y's checking in. I'm not sure if that's showing that CCS/SAE doesn't make a difference between type 1 and 2 or if they have some sort of adapter?
You can safely assume that 95% of “CCS/SAE” is CCS2 in Australia and will be compatible with your Model Y. If you see that a Model Y has successfully checked in and charged then you will be ok 👍
Have a great trip!
Hey Tom, got a question around the charging cables/solution i need. Just bought a new Model Y and am getting the Tesla wall box installed to use with Charge HQ but now Tesla don't provide a "granny charger" with their cars, do you recommend I buy one in addition to a type 2 cable to use with untethered charge points? It's a considerable extra and I'm just not sure how often I'd need it. I get the type 2 cable so I can use other charge points but I feel I'm more likely to do that than slow charge from a 10amp socket? What's yoiur thoughts and experience now you've had the cars for a few years? Love the videaos btw, especially as it's highly relevant to me as we live in the same area. I see my house on your drive by videos all the time :-)
To be honest I rarely use the Tesla UMC 10/15A charger but it is handy to have as backup I suppose.
Thanks for watching! 😃
@@LudicrousFeed fair enough and thanks for the quick reply. Would you stick to the Tesla UMC or recommend any alternative?
If I was going to buy another one, I'd go Tesla UMC just to be safe
Great job……
Thanks
Hi
Can BYD car chargeable at home with single phase power??
Yes. In fact the Atto 3 in Australia only supports single phase and not three phase at this stage
Elon has said Tesla will open up.. they will. And it won't just be the co-funded NSW ones.
It's also consistent with the Tesla mission statement - "Accelerating the World's Transition to Sustainable Energy".
And for those Tesla owners who complain - just think Tesla will deliver more new cars in Australia this quarter, than the sum total of non-Tesla CCS2 cars in Australia today (and at least based on what they've done in Europe, non-Teslas will be paying a 25% premium, so 87c/kWh or so)
The NSW publicly co-funded super chargers will be nice trial for the rest of the country
@@LudicrousFeed I suspect Tesla will open up before then.. but we will see.
Also hopeful that with the NSW requirements for AC backup (and what Tesla has done in Margaret River) that we see a lot more paid AC chargers as well.
Eg. Macquarie Centre could do with say 20 Tesla Wall Chargers (at say 30c/kWh) for those who might want to watch a movie, or go ice skating
my 2016 model s can only use tesla chargers
Have you got a CCS adaptor?
Australian energy mix 2020-21: 10% renewables
Onwards and upwards
I came here to share some laughs, could have rented a tesla for chrissy to drive 2800kms return... lol every single place we stopped that had a charging station had at least 15 to 20 cars lined up waiting to charge. Now Tesla owners I talked with were so pissed.... im like look, what do you expect? when i plan a trip i look for cheap petrol just like every other smart car owner. When you buy a tesla its not like its a secret that there isnt enough chargers and never will be because the electric grid cant support them.
So to all the green drivers, thanks for supporting the coal fired power stations over your holiday break because, thanks to such a huge demand for power they were SPEWING out thousands possibly millions of tonnes of co2 due to the over extended demand from the superchargers.... hahaha Makes an efficent 4cylinder turbo look good huh ;)
Last I checked, an EV charging from the grid (even if purely coal fired) would still produce less emissions than an ICE using petrol/diesel for an equivalent distance travelled.
- Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water and clinging onto old technology, I’m hoping we’ll see some innovative solutions from smarter people to cope with charging demands during peak periods
How woke
In what way?