Regarding space watches, you guys left off a BIG one. In 1962, NASA astronaut Scott Carpenter wore a Breitling Navitimer when he circled the Earth three times aboard the Aurora 7 spacecraft. The legend is that Scott contacted Breitling ahead of the mission and requested they make him a 24-hour dial version of the Navi, which didn't exist at the time (and they did so).
Guys wearing/using their own gear regardless of what you’re issued is nothing new frankly. I’m retired military, and everyone I knew used their own kit if it worked better, and they could get away with it. We could get Hamilton watches through supply if they had NSNs, but most guys just wore G-shocks. Same with custom grips, rigs, what have you. Astronauts up to the space shuttle era were all active or former military pilots, so it doesn’t surprise me a bit that they had their own watches in their kit bags with the speedy strapped on their sleeves.
In the case of NASA, these guys didn’t get their Omega until they were about to go up for the first time. So, for instance with the Pogue, they had been training doing the job with a different watch with a different layout. So when you go to time your burns do you use this new watch or the one you did all your training with? Easy choice.
So true. Most astronauts at the beginning of the jet age were aces who served in Korea. They were all wearing privately purchased Rolex GMTs. Also an interesting watch worn by cold war spy plane pilots was the Bulova Accutron Astronaut. This watch was also worn by the test pilots of the first X-planes that broke the sound barrier. Bulova also manufactured the instrument gauges for the space craft, as they were an American company back then.
Lange really changed the game with their in-house movement manufacturing. The Datograph showed up the likes of Patek, Vacheron, and AP with their Lemania bases in a pretty big way
I love JLC. I have an old Amvox3 which I bought brand new. It's an incredible watch, with an amazing Sapphire dome. People don't give them enough credit, I appreciate this video :)
This sort of thing happens often in the car industry. The 10 speed automatic transmission in chevys is actually ford’s 10 speed they developed that is changed a little for gm. In turn, gm licensed magnaride suspension to ford
Apparently, the only brands that are completely vertically integrated are Rolex and Seiko. SEIKO even makes their own proprietary watch oils. Every other brand utilizes suppliers for various parts. Tis the way it has always been. Problem is, brands sell consumers that everything is "In house" lol.
Sort of true. But Rolex are vertically integrated because they just bought all their suppliers. Only the dials are made by another company apparently (source: watchfinder). Seiko really are the only one. In-house is like expecting Mercedes to make absolutely everything, including the tyres, the oils, the brake discs/pads, the leather, the cylinder heads, axle bearings, transmission, stereo/speakers... Which is just ludicrous.
Im pretty sure that Michael Strahan wore a Rolex GMT Mater II on his blue origin space flight. There has also been a Movado Datachron worn in space on the ankle of an astronaut.
The smoke and mirrors of horology! Yeah we polished the same movement you find in a $600 Hamilton or Tissot, then engraved our logo on the rotor and called it a caliber 5, but with our name it cost 3k… that’s kinda how I interpreted this episode!
Rolex references their “use” on the first ascent of Mt Everest, when there is no evidence they went to the summit and probably were not there since we know Smiths was the watch on the wrist at the summit. Yet Rolex doesn’t highlight a number of early astronauts used Rolex GMTs (very popular model with the military personnel as their own watches, especially pilots) before Omega was picked by NASA. I wonder if they feel it would just highlight they lost to Omega as the official watch for NASA space flight.
Feels like JLC is really messing up with their product strategy. They're missing huge opportunities to cash in on their legacy and release vintage-inspired watches. Look at Omega's success with the calibre 321 Speedmaster. Now imagine if JLC released a new dress watch, powered by the calibre 920, marketed as being the workhorse that powered watches from the entire Holy Trinity. They could do it in steel, make it 6mm thick, price it under $10k, and it would SELL. Basically like the Master Ultra Thin, but even thinner.
That’s sooo cool about these JLC movements. (You think you could buy them to mod your own style watches 😉) Anyway, It’s like F1, where different engine manufacturers either use manufacturers engines, e.g. Haas uses Ferrari engines, or “badge” other engines, e.g. Alfa Romeo Sauber also uses Ferrari engines, but they are Alfa. Or even Red Bull uses Honda engines, but they are Red Bull power train (though this season Honda again).
You forgot Bulova. August 2, 1971, Bulova finally earned the title of "Moon Watch" when David R. Scott wore the Bulova Chronograph ref. 88510/01 on the lunar surface.Aug
It's hugely ironic but not surprising that astronaut James Lovell of Apollo 13, the Omega poster boy actually owned and wore a Rolex GMT purchased with his own money. Rolex doesn't need to advertise the fact because their reputation stands on it's own. Jake's Rolex World has great articles to reference this.
@TheoandHarris11 gotta say i love your show and I love the adds you guys produce. Especially the Acutron and Bulova spots I've seen on your channel. Top notch 👌. I don't usually comment but space and military watches are kinda my thing so I had to comment on this video. I remember watching videos of the lab experiments preformed on the space shuttle when I was a kid in school and asking my parents for the same watch as the astronauts in the video. They got me a Timex Ironman that I loved but I was so happy to eventually buy myself a GShock 5600 like in the videos I remember as a kid and now I'm a watch nerd because of it.
There's never been a single picture of the Rolex GMT being worn in space. The story was invented after the Bulova came to light. Supposedly it was taken in a personal bag, but was never inventoried or seen in a photo. There's a whole lot of "Trust me bro..." behind that Rolex story...
JLC will never make a 920 based watch, because the rights and patents for this movement were signed off to Vacheron when JLC was bought out by Richemont.
Not your best by far. This is a stretch. By this logic Apple’s iPhone should have to divulge that the most important component - the display - comes from Samsung. And only watch geeks care.
JLC have become a shadow of their former selves unfortunately and this is coming from a die hard JLC fan. When was the last time the "watchmaker's watchmaker" even released a new calibre or an entire new model family? The Duometre from the mid-2000s or the pusher-less Chrono Amvox 2 from early 2010s? Since then - nothing. Come on Richemont, don't screw up one of the most iconic and innovative brands in the watch industry.
I appreciate the stories but I certainly won't buy X watch brand because one of their watches has gone to space or very deep underwater. Like who cares. No really who cares? Apparently I do. Geez
Regarding space watches, you guys left off a BIG one. In 1962, NASA astronaut Scott Carpenter wore a Breitling Navitimer when he circled the Earth three times aboard the Aurora 7 spacecraft. The legend is that Scott contacted Breitling ahead of the mission and requested they make him a 24-hour dial version of the Navi, which didn't exist at the time (and they did so).
I’m surprised that christian is surprised by the 920! 🙈 the most iconic movement of all time! ✨
How can you not know about the 920!!!
How’s ossin, big teeth?
Did you apologize and give that poor guy his watch back yet?
I'd put the 7750 and the El Primero up there for contenders, not because I don't own any 920. Nah I wouldn't do such a thing...😂
@@Unknown-fl7dj what are you talking about????
6:00 ad from both brands, recently, I think of Fears X Christopher Ward Alliance 01! Marketed just like you are saying! Such a cool collab.
8:03 JLC was also one of the first brands to bring all manufacturing under one roof! 🙈
They are the bessssssst
Great episode!! I can now look at my vintage Rolex Thunderbird Turn-O-Graph with new respect! Thank you both!
Appreciate the thoroughness in the beginning.❤️🤝
Guys wearing/using their own gear regardless of what you’re issued is nothing new frankly. I’m retired military, and everyone I knew used their own kit if it worked better, and they could get away with it. We could get Hamilton watches through supply if they had NSNs, but most guys just wore G-shocks. Same with custom grips, rigs, what have you. Astronauts up to the space shuttle era were all active or former military pilots, so it doesn’t surprise me a bit that they had their own watches in their kit bags with the speedy strapped on their sleeves.
In the case of NASA, these guys didn’t get their Omega until they were about to go up for the first time. So, for instance with the Pogue, they had been training doing the job with a different watch with a different layout. So when you go to time your burns do you use this new watch or the one you did all your training with? Easy choice.
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That’s really interesting
So true. Most astronauts at the beginning of the jet age were aces who served in Korea. They were all wearing privately purchased Rolex GMTs. Also an interesting watch worn by cold war spy plane pilots was the Bulova Accutron Astronaut. This watch was also worn by the test pilots of the first X-planes that broke the sound barrier. Bulova also manufactured the instrument gauges for the space craft, as they were an American company back then.
I’m wearing a JLC MUT 34mm with the cal 849 which was used by I believe VC and IWC
JLC is truly the greatest of them all IMO.
Lange really changed the game with their in-house movement manufacturing. The Datograph showed up the likes of Patek, Vacheron, and AP with their Lemania bases in a pretty big way
I’m guessing that the forces are reduced in microgravity. The watch (hammer) and nail will both weigh less in space.
I have watch. It say Invicta. Is good make? Lot of Expensive?
I love JLC. I have an old Amvox3 which I bought brand new. It's an incredible watch, with an amazing Sapphire dome. People don't give them enough credit, I appreciate this video :)
Surprised you didn’t know about the 920. Omega Marine is a crazy hard watch to find in nice condition.
The Glycine Airman also made it to space worn by Charles Conrad on the Gemini 5 space flight.
Sinn “collabs” for Bell and Ross and Porsche/audi were labeled “by sinn” on the dials and/or case backs
I’d like to see a spring drive movement in a Rolex oyster
This sort of thing happens often in the car industry. The 10 speed automatic transmission in chevys is actually ford’s 10 speed they developed that is changed a little for gm. In turn, gm licensed magnaride suspension to ford
Lovely one guys
My Patek Nautilus 3700 and my Vacheron Overseas both used an JLC base movement. Both great watches.
@Theoandharris Would love to have ur thoughts on the new AP releases, especially the Code 11.59 in steel and ceramic
Coming soon!
Breitling seems to be quite open about their movement on their website
such a lovely couple
JLC are the absolute nuts !
Apparently, the only brands that are completely vertically integrated are Rolex and Seiko. SEIKO even makes their own proprietary watch oils. Every other brand utilizes suppliers for various parts. Tis the way it has always been. Problem is, brands sell consumers that everything is "In house" lol.
Sort of true. But Rolex are vertically integrated because they just bought all their suppliers. Only the dials are made by another company apparently (source: watchfinder).
Seiko really are the only one.
In-house is like expecting Mercedes to make absolutely everything, including the tyres, the oils, the brake discs/pads, the leather, the cylinder heads, axle bearings, transmission, stereo/speakers... Which is just ludicrous.
Ludicrous, but exactly what they do. No idea why they make so many of their own parts. But that’s a decision they made
Ron Evans was the command module pilot so technically he never went on the moon but ‘just’ around it. He did do an amazing spacewalk though.
Im pretty sure that Michael Strahan wore a Rolex GMT Mater II on his blue origin space flight. There has also been a Movado Datachron worn in space on the ankle of an astronaut.
The smoke and mirrors of horology! Yeah we polished the same movement you find in a $600 Hamilton or Tissot, then engraved our logo on the rotor and called it a caliber 5, but with our name it cost 3k… that’s kinda how I interpreted this episode!
What brand is that jacket Michael is wearing?👀
I'd like to know as well 🧐
it's from huckberry
Thanks just found it! It’s the Proof trail fleece
Fag Heuer
Rolex references their “use” on the first ascent of Mt Everest, when there is no evidence they went to the summit and probably were not there since we know Smiths was the watch on the wrist at the summit. Yet Rolex doesn’t highlight a number of early astronauts used Rolex GMTs (very popular model with the military personnel as their own watches, especially pilots) before Omega was picked by NASA. I wonder if they feel it would just highlight they lost to Omega as the official watch for NASA space flight.
The first Sinn in Space was a black coated Sinn 140 on the D1 mission worn By R. Furrer in 1985
@@dsant2811 yes they show the current version … relax 🙌🏼
Richard Mille for example doesn’t do shit in-house apart of R&D, some ultra unique pieces maybe…
Michael reminds me of Steve McQueen, Christian Jerry Lewis. Oh well Happy Valentines day.
Feels like JLC is really messing up with their product strategy. They're missing huge opportunities to cash in on their legacy and release vintage-inspired watches. Look at Omega's success with the calibre 321 Speedmaster. Now imagine if JLC released a new dress watch, powered by the calibre 920, marketed as being the workhorse that powered watches from the entire Holy Trinity. They could do it in steel, make it 6mm thick, price it under $10k, and it would SELL. Basically like the Master Ultra Thin, but even thinner.
VC still uses the 920 as the base for many complicated watches such as the overseas perpetual and the super rare vc overseas ultrathin used it.
Great show as always. However, you should know that nobody was on the Moon and in a thousand years nobody will land on the Moon. (Moon is not a rock.)
Oh boy, here we go ...🙄😂
That’s sooo cool about these JLC movements. (You think you could buy them to mod your own style watches 😉)
Anyway, It’s like F1, where different engine manufacturers either use manufacturers engines, e.g. Haas uses Ferrari engines, or “badge” other engines, e.g. Alfa Romeo Sauber also uses Ferrari engines, but they are Alfa. Or even Red Bull uses Honda engines, but they are Red Bull power train (though this season Honda again).
Nice analogy also nice seeing another F1 fan here.
you forgot about Breitling cosmonaut come on how could you forget this Iconic watch
You forgot Bulova. August 2, 1971, Bulova finally earned the title of "Moon Watch" when David R. Scott wore the Bulova Chronograph ref. 88510/01 on the lunar surface.Aug
It's hugely ironic but not surprising that astronaut James Lovell of Apollo 13, the Omega poster boy actually owned and wore a Rolex GMT purchased with his own money. Rolex doesn't need to advertise the fact because their reputation stands on it's own. Jake's Rolex World has great articles to reference this.
HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE 5270😡 It is the best and most advanced perpetual calendar chronograph ever made
Also, a Movado chronograph
First auto Chronograph was a Huer and not Seiko.
Please talk about White Lotus! Also, maybe an episode on watches in cinema?
I wanne see the new Tank Francaise on a rubber strap.
You guys don't stop! I need some of that coffee you're having
Its the kind coffee that is white in color....in powder form....and you drink it through your nose
Onion RUclips was peak internet.
You guys are fucking hilarious!!! T&H for life!
The Black Bay Chronograph uses the Breitling B01 movement. Great movement.
Gents, you forgot Bulova, the only other watch to actually be on the moon.
Also, Bulova also had a watch that went to the moon.
Not as interesting as the space watches you mentioned but a ton of astronauts wore G-shocks and a few F91w on shuttle missions in the 90s
@TheoandHarris11 gotta say i love your show and I love the adds you guys produce. Especially the Acutron and Bulova spots I've seen on your channel. Top notch 👌. I don't usually comment but space and military watches are kinda my thing so I had to comment on this video. I remember watching videos of the lab experiments preformed on the space shuttle when I was a kid in school and asking my parents for the same watch as the astronauts in the video. They got me a Timex Ironman that I loved but I was so happy to eventually buy myself a GShock 5600 like in the videos I remember as a kid and now I'm a watch nerd because of it.
i love a yellow school bus 🚌
Alan Shepard is probably the most famous of the Rolex
There's never been a single picture of the Rolex GMT being worn in space. The story was invented after the Bulova came to light.
Supposedly it was taken in a personal bag, but was never inventoried or seen in a photo.
There's a whole lot of "Trust me bro..." behind that Rolex story...
AP dont even make their own hairsprings
Come one guys. What about the Bulova Moonwatch????
Cold open 🤣
FEARS + Christopher Ward ?
Casio G-Shock 5600D & E are NASA certified for space flight. Get an authentic space watch for $60.
JLC will never make a 920 based watch, because the rights and patents for this movement were signed off to Vacheron when JLC was bought out by Richemont.
I think it's AP...they currently manufacture this and sell it to VC.
Yo
Omitting the first watch that went to space... disappointing.
👌🏽👍🏾
Not your best by far. This is a stretch. By this logic Apple’s iPhone should have to divulge that the most important component - the display - comes from Samsung.
And only watch geeks care.
JLC have become a shadow of their former selves unfortunately and this is coming from a die hard JLC fan. When was the last time the "watchmaker's watchmaker" even released a new calibre or an entire new model family? The Duometre from the mid-2000s or the pusher-less Chrono Amvox 2 from early 2010s? Since then - nothing. Come on Richemont, don't screw up one of the most iconic and innovative brands in the watch industry.
I appreciate the stories but I certainly won't buy X watch brand because one of their watches has gone to space or very deep underwater.
Like who cares. No really who cares?
Apparently I do.
Geez
First!
AP IS DEAD THEY MAKE ONE WATCH. It's boring.
AP is dead and floating face down in a backyard pool
Your channel would’ve been so much more popular if you two don’t BS so much, and if you can shorten each video to 10-15 mins long.
Agreed.
Disagree
Ok, Drill Sergeant
Rolex is a great starter watch for people who are coming up and are trying to impress poor people
I love impressing poor people, it's what I do best * flashes submariner in front of urban maverick *