Canonically, Ben isn't just an astronaut, but has a master's degree in aerospace engineering. While not the genius level intellect of his best friend, Dr Doom has recognized his intelligence. Reed might have designed the ship, but Ben isn't just the pilot, he is also the mechanic who built it.
IIRC the only reason he isn't Dr.Grimm is because he couldn't afford to the extra years at collage to wright and defend his thesis or dissertation and you don't need Dr. before your name or P.H.D. after it to get a good job in Engineering
Whenever writers tell a story about Ben Grimm being away from Reed, they have a tendency to remember that no, Ben is not stupid, they don't make people astronauts if they don't have a very good understanding of science and math.
Love that you point out Ben's unshakeable willpower instead of just focusing on the clobberin, his determination is unparalleled in Marvel. He is the Frisk Undertale of Marvel Comics
Watching all those clips from the movie made me realize something, I respect that the Thing was straight up rocking a trench coat and fedora. It’s such a silly thing from comics and cartoons to bring to a movie and it’s so fun. Now I wanna rewatch the first movie with friends
The funny thing about the low int is at least originally, in the Silver Age Ben was pretty smart with a master's degree, I believe. A lot of the time he dumbed down Reed's technobabble for other people. But I also understand using point array or point buy you can only be good at so many things, and this does reflect relatively recent media pretty well.
According to Reed, Ben held more than one university degree (I forget which issue he mentions it), so you're absolutely right. He's smarter than people give him credit for being.
Ben Grimm is one of the few heroes who refused to take part in the civil war. Dude instead spent the time on damage control, trying to rescue people from the rubble caused by his ex-colleagues. He's gruff, but he's also the wisest member of the FF. Ironically also the most human.
I saw an awesome pitch for a modification to Ben's powers that lets him modify his mass by growing/shedding the rocks that form his exterior. It adds a lot more complexity to his abilities and also pulls them closer in line with the dynamic options from the rest of the FF. Imagine him gathering a bunch of rocks on his fist and hurling them at someone.
Considering Ben's nearly constant use of improvised weapons (lampposts, cars etc.) I think getting tavern brawler is kind of necessary for him to be true to character. I would also say that the whole rune/growing aspect of the rune knight doesn't really fit for him. I would have probably gone with battle master instead.
This vid made me realize just how fantastic (ha) the Thing costume in the old movies was. Sure the hands are clunky, but the face is impressively emotive, and that basis of physicality makes the animated portions much less subtly distracting then most modern CGI.
My favorite Thing thing is when they had him show up in the end of an Immortal Hulk issue... and when he did, they dropped the title. "So, here's the Thing."
Actually in some stories, Ben Grim actually has a regulator belt (made by Reed) that allows him to transform between forms at push of a button, i think there was a time limit i forget the fine details. I assume that's a legendary magic item?
Nice to see you finish the four but it would be cool if you combined all of there powers into one character and also made him a shape shifting Alien. (I'm requesting a Super Skrull build in case that wasn't obvious.)
Small thing (hehe) Cloud rune never specifies that the attacker or target of the attack have to be enemies or allies. You could stand 30ft away from a Paladin and an enemy. Have the paladin attack a teammate next to them and you redirect it
I'm from Brazil and I love these videos, it fills me with ideas, I'm using a translator so I'm sorry if I say it wrong, I thought I'd use your HumanTorch to adapt Ben10's Heatblast, I would love for you to make videos making Ben10 Aliens builds someday.Thanks for the video❤👊😘🌿(Yes I copied the comment from the oldest video and put it here❤❤❤)
When you asked for 48 seconds, I got worried that Earth Genasi gives +2 con. But as usual... you're right. Nothing about Ben Grimm helps him help his party move sneakier or move through rough terrain easier. Goliath is the better fit mechanically, and mechanics can't be hand waved the same way aesthetics can.
Look at the time! It's build time with Sir Tulok, the one man who will bring us the fabled Tangle the lemur build one day with just as much effect as this 500 pounds of full clobbering. Ben Grimm, is the reliable militar and pilot man who got a space-radiation burn that left his skin not itchy and red, but hard and orange! Giving him a shocking experience (face it, you would feel the same I'd your dork become rock hard for the wrong reasons) and yet after dealing with the changes he is still a man willing to get his hands dirty in order to do the right thing, it also helps that traveling all the world and space can broad up tour views of what is a monster and what is just a Thing with a love for New York pizza!
@@agsilverradio2225 Earth Genasi get to move through difficult terrain and they get pass without trace at 5th level. Goliaths get to be big and tough. One of those is a lot more like The Thing than the other
Honestly, I dont blame you for skipping the max barbarian build, its been done with a number of characters before so I always enjoy the more interesting methods of reaching the end goal you find. I mean, for some its just TOO perfect to avoid doing a full 20 level dip in a single class like beastboy and his circle of the moon druid, but the more complicated builds are fun. And sometimes I enjoy the builds that wouldnt work well in an actual game but is just fun because Hey! Thats scarecrow you built! No, not crane, the wizard of oz scarecrow! :p
The only bad part about a Barbarian/Rune Knight multiclass is that it suffers from both action economy choking (two different uses of the bonus action and neither are direct attacks) and redundancy (Extra Attack if you go over 4 levels, Strength check advantage in both Rage and Giant's Might)... it's worse if you go with Ancestral Guardian to be able to taunt enemies and take a full 6 levels for the damage reduction reaction (which then conflicts with Storm Rune) instead of just relying on runes and grappling (and maybe a Fighting Initiate / Martial Initiate feat with Goading Attack) for holding threat (I know there is no "threat" mechanic in D&D but MMO gamers should know what I mean). That said, a Rune Knight with a Rogue dip and finesse weapon is deadly...
Hey Tulok, this is going to sound absolutely nuts, but would it be possible to go for say... Zack Fair (ff7 crisis core) or Reinhardt (overwatch)? Would love to see either of those in the future.
He already did a Cloud build . So I mean Zack isn't going to be much different since they both used the Buster Sword and have more or less the same abilities.
Ben not known for his Rage, so im not sure what classes id guess. Maybe he has some Monk Levels? I dont think Blue Shorts count as armor.... his skin does. Maybe Warlock... if count space radiation as a patron?
Rune Knight is an interesting choice. As you say, the flavor of the class really doesn't fit, and Totem doesn't either. But I can't argue with the results.
I'd think he's a Paladin of Conquest and since he's an alien you can probably call him an Aasimar. You might even also call him a GOO-lock with The Supreme Intelligence as a patron. Overall he's probably mostly a smitey alien boy
His Intelligence and Charisma should definitely be swapped IMO, The Thing has multiple advanced degrees, or at least used to, and yeah he was an astronaut BEFORE he met Reed Richards too, you have to be pretty smart to get into one of those. Looking like Ben does well for intimidation, but Ben is known for his gruff and cantankerous demeanor until you get to know him
A star walks into a black hole but doesn't seen phased. The black hole then turns to the star and says, "I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation."
I would have thought that Earth Genasi would have been a better fit, but Ben doesn't do magic, and an Earth Genasi gets some spells as a racial ability, so I can understand why you decided to go with the Goliath. Speaking of characters that seem like they fit a build or not, you should really check out Dave the Barbarian and see how you can build those characters; Dave might seem like the most strait forward, seeing as he is canonically referred to as a Barbarian in the D&D sense, but Int is not his dump stat, that would be Cha, amusingly enough, when your own family members call you a dork and your entire kingdom knows you more by the accidents you've had being a hero then you know Charisma is going to be one of your lower stats, especially when you start calling random birds and animals with surprisingly good rolls only for them to immediately attack your head when they land on your arm (yes, that really happened in one episode); Dave also dated an evil princess and still thought she was nice after she tried to destroy the kingdom he's supposed to protect because she said he was sweet for all the terrible poetry he wrote and yelled at the swarm of fey she was using to try and destroy the kingdom (once again, that happened in one episode). So yeah, go check out Dave the Barbarian; it's probably one of the most D&D shows you will ever see, even when you include streams of people playing D&D. Also, the big bad is a literal talking pig that is apparently a Sorcerer or Wizard voiced by the guy who voices Zim from Invader Zim and Moxie from Helluva Boss; and his name is absolutely great, "The Dark Lord Chuckles the Silly Piggy," and yes, that is his full canonical name.
Ok so Marvels' The Thing. now about about John Carpenters The Thing (from another world) & Thing Addams. Maybe to be fun could do Mothra (some american releases called her The Thing) All very halloweenie.
Great video tho gotta be a lil stinker and mention that rune knights runecarver feature require it to be carved on a peice of armor of jewelery and the thing lies within the "scantily clad behemoth" category of Marvel supes.
This is definitely a nitpick but the thing isn’t that tall his cannon height is 6 foot. I know it’s in that pic but comic book nerd all I do is nitpick. :)
The Intelligence is WAY too low. Ben's not in Reed's league, but he's no dummy, either. In comics, he downplays his intelligence but he holds a couple of Bachelor's degrees. Additionally, in order to qualify to be a test pilot, he'd need to hold at least one Bachelor's degree in Physics, Math, or Engineering.
swap CHA and INT, he was an engineer. Feels like you picked goliath to annoy your audience for another clear candidate for earth genasi. Other than the term 'stones endurance' goliath doesn't suit or make any more sense than any other race.
Canonically, Ben isn't just an astronaut, but has a master's degree in aerospace engineering. While not the genius level intellect of his best friend, Dr Doom has recognized his intelligence. Reed might have designed the ship, but Ben isn't just the pilot, he is also the mechanic who built it.
IIRC the only reason he isn't Dr.Grimm is because he couldn't afford to the extra years at collage to wright and defend his thesis or dissertation and you don't need Dr. before your name or P.H.D. after it to get a good job in Engineering
Marvel's NY has a lot skilled enginneers just focused there
@@ExeErdna | So does real life NY, t'be fair.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Marvel's like damn near every one of Spidey's classic rogues are very well studied people, even Rhino.
Whenever writers tell a story about Ben Grimm being away from Reed, they have a tendency to remember that no, Ben is not stupid, they don't make people astronauts if they don't have a very good understanding of science and math.
Love that you point out Ben's unshakeable willpower instead of just focusing on the clobberin, his determination is unparalleled in Marvel.
He is the Frisk Undertale of Marvel Comics
Add in how he sees Peter like a nephew, giving him another Uncle Ben, one who is unbreakable.
What about Doom and Kingpin? Those two have maxed out willpower too.
Watching all those clips from the movie made me realize something, I respect that the Thing was straight up rocking a trench coat and fedora. It’s such a silly thing from comics and cartoons to bring to a movie and it’s so fun. Now I wanna rewatch the first movie with friends
The funny thing about the low int is at least originally, in the Silver Age Ben was pretty smart with a master's degree, I believe. A lot of the time he dumbed down Reed's technobabble for other people. But I also understand using point array or point buy you can only be good at so many things, and this does reflect relatively recent media pretty well.
According to Reed, Ben held more than one university degree (I forget which issue he mentions it), so you're absolutely right. He's smarter than people give him credit for being.
Ben Grimm is one of the few heroes who refused to take part in the civil war. Dude instead spent the time on damage control, trying to rescue people from the rubble caused by his ex-colleagues.
He's gruff, but he's also the wisest member of the FF. Ironically also the most human.
Sweet Aunt Petunia, it’s the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing!
Man, this build has way less shapeshifting and death by fire than I expected
I saw an awesome pitch for a modification to Ben's powers that lets him modify his mass by growing/shedding the rocks that form his exterior. It adds a lot more complexity to his abilities and also pulls them closer in line with the dynamic options from the rest of the FF.
Imagine him gathering a bunch of rocks on his fist and hurling them at someone.
Considering Ben's nearly constant use of improvised weapons (lampposts, cars etc.) I think getting tavern brawler is kind of necessary for him to be true to character.
I would also say that the whole rune/growing aspect of the rune knight doesn't really fit for him. I would have probably gone with battle master instead.
Now its not one of his common powers but in the 2015 secret wars Ben was a wall that kept out Zombies and robots
@@weathermangohanssj4That was just because Doom messed up the whole fabric of reality
You sure ain't buildin' my Aunt Petunia this episode! Always good to see the blue eyed, ever-lovin' Thing getting some love.
This vid made me realize just how fantastic (ha) the Thing costume in the old movies was. Sure the hands are clunky, but the face is impressively emotive, and that basis of physicality makes the animated portions much less subtly distracting then most modern CGI.
My favorite Thing thing is when they had him show up in the end of an Immortal Hulk issue... and when he did, they dropped the title. "So, here's the Thing."
Now that’s what I call an ever-lovin’, blue-eyes build!
You finally finished the First Family, sweet.
Black Adam, please.
Ben Grimm is...well, I'd say "wholesome," but he's a real solid guy.
You’re kinda off to a rocky start
Finishing up another team! Let's go!
Actually in some stories, Ben Grim actually has a regulator belt (made by Reed) that allows him to transform between forms at push of a button, i think there was a time limit i forget the fine details. I assume that's a legendary magic item?
I was hoping this would be the John Carpenter one
Without a blood test, how can we tell that it isn't?
@@thegreatandterrible4508 👀👀👀
Gelatinous cube?
Hell the fuck YES I'd love that.
@@thegreatandterrible4508 good point, every build on this channel very well could be until proven otherwise
Please do V from *V for Vendetta* for the 5th of November!
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let's take this comment top guys
Someone needs to test this against his Hulk build and see who Smash better.
Apparently, She-Hulk smash...
CONS: No Keen Mind to always know when it's clobberin time
Nice to see you finish the four but it would be cool if you combined all of there powers into one character and also made him a shape shifting Alien. (I'm requesting a Super Skrull build in case that wasn't obvious.)
Changeling Transmuter
Small thing (hehe) Cloud rune never specifies that the attacker or target of the attack have to be enemies or allies. You could stand 30ft away from a Paladin and an enemy. Have the paladin attack a teammate next to them and you redirect it
I’m guessing Earth Genasi for that rocky exterior, some fighter for unarmed fighting style and maneuvers, and totem Barb to become the shield.
i love it could you do the human torch or the ice king from adventure time
How would you build David Martínez from Cyberpunk Edgerunners?
I'm from Brazil and I love these videos, it fills me with ideas, I'm using a translator so I'm sorry if I say it wrong, I thought I'd use your HumanTorch to adapt Ben10's Heatblast, I would love for you to make videos making Ben10 Aliens builds someday.Thanks for the video❤👊😘🌿(Yes I copied the comment from the oldest video and put it here❤❤❤)
Stone rune: the enemy sits down and reconsiders their life after a quick heart to heart.
I would love to see you do Buster Scruggs in the future from ballad of Buster Scruggs, a gunslinger bard would be pretty cool.
Goliath; not earth genasi?
You made the stats make sense in 46 seconds. Impressive!
When you asked for 48 seconds, I got worried that Earth Genasi gives +2 con.
But as usual... you're right. Nothing about Ben Grimm helps him help his party move sneakier or move through rough terrain easier. Goliath is the better fit mechanically, and mechanics can't be hand waved the same way aesthetics can.
Look at the time! It's build time with Sir Tulok, the one man who will bring us the fabled Tangle the lemur build one day with just as much effect as this 500 pounds of full clobbering.
Ben Grimm, is the reliable militar and pilot man who got a space-radiation burn that left his skin not itchy and red, but hard and orange! Giving him a shocking experience (face it, you would feel the same I'd your dork become rock hard for the wrong reasons) and yet after dealing with the changes he is still a man willing to get his hands dirty in order to do the right thing, it also helps that traveling all the world and space can broad up tour views of what is a monster and what is just a Thing with a love for New York pizza!
Just gonna have to cross my fingers and hope for Teth Adam like a pauper.
You know what would be a great thing? Doing a Flash Gordon build!
Hey Bro,Could you make a video explaining what Marvel's absorbent man would be like in dnd?
Fantastic build!
You could consider a warforged, because they are made of rock, wood, and stone.
Nice build
I like Goliath barbarians
Me too, but I would have used earth genasi.
@@agsilverradio2225 Earth Genasi get to move through difficult terrain and they get pass without trace at 5th level. Goliaths get to be big and tough. One of those is a lot more like The Thing than the other
Please do colossus from Xmen I think making the fast ball special a part of his kit would be great
Honestly, I dont blame you for skipping the max barbarian build, its been done with a number of characters before so I always enjoy the more interesting methods of reaching the end goal you find. I mean, for some its just TOO perfect to avoid doing a full 20 level dip in a single class like beastboy and his circle of the moon druid, but the more complicated builds are fun. And sometimes I enjoy the builds that wouldnt work well in an actual game but is just fun because Hey! Thats scarecrow you built! No, not crane, the wizard of oz scarecrow! :p
Love your videos man
The only bad part about a Barbarian/Rune Knight multiclass is that it suffers from both action economy choking (two different uses of the bonus action and neither are direct attacks) and redundancy (Extra Attack if you go over 4 levels, Strength check advantage in both Rage and Giant's Might)... it's worse if you go with Ancestral Guardian to be able to taunt enemies and take a full 6 levels for the damage reduction reaction (which then conflicts with Storm Rune) instead of just relying on runes and grappling (and maybe a Fighting Initiate / Martial Initiate feat with Goading Attack) for holding threat (I know there is no "threat" mechanic in D&D but MMO gamers should know what I mean). That said, a Rune Knight with a Rogue dip and finesse weapon is deadly...
Oh goody the fantastic four finally Done.
Quick guess before I watch: Goliath Barbarian with the crusher feat and a level dip (at least) into fighter for Unarmed Fighting
Hey Tulok, this is going to sound absolutely nuts, but would it be possible to go for say... Zack Fair (ff7 crisis core) or Reinhardt (overwatch)? Would love to see either of those in the future.
He already did a Cloud build . So I mean Zack isn't going to be much different since they both used the Buster Sword and have more or less the same abilities.
@@clothar23 Ngl I completely forgot about that.😅
Do you think you can make a build for Texas from the Disney XD show "Motorcity"? I'm interested in seeing what you could make.
Why is Captain America in so many if these background clips?
May I ask why the Race is Goliath and not Earth Genasi ?
I haven’t seen Ben use pass without trace once a day before
Also Stone’s Endurance is yet another option to reduce damage
I'm surprised he wasn't a totem of the "Living space rock" barbarian!
I respect you for not using any footage from the horrible 2015 movie.
Ben not known for his Rage, so im not sure what classes id guess. Maybe he has some Monk Levels? I dont think Blue Shorts count as armor.... his skin does. Maybe Warlock... if count space radiation as a patron?
Nevermind, he did the starts as a rock man form.
I was wondering if there was a way to turn a human into a earth genasi
Tough build. Kinda like the IMMORTAL SUGIMOTO!
I thought he'd end up being an earth genasi, seems to fit better imo
Rune Knight is an interesting choice. As you say, the flavor of the class really doesn't fit, and Totem doesn't either. But I can't argue with the results.
Can you do Ronan the Accuser please?
Ronan the Defense Attorney?
@@JaelinBezel Edit: the Accuser
I'd think he's a Paladin of Conquest and since he's an alien you can probably call him an Aasimar. You might even also call him a GOO-lock with The Supreme Intelligence as a patron. Overall he's probably mostly a smitey alien boy
@@randomim42 I dont think so. Fear and psychic damage is not what he does.
His Intelligence and Charisma should definitely be swapped IMO, The Thing has multiple advanced degrees, or at least used to, and yeah he was an astronaut BEFORE he met Reed Richards too, you have to be pretty smart to get into one of those. Looking like Ben does well for intimidation, but Ben is known for his gruff and cantankerous demeanor until you get to know him
Can we please get Goro Majima?
Would it take into account that summon where he runs down the side of a building or is that not a canon feat?
@@BJGvideos I mean, canonically he summons shadow clones. Wouldn't be surprised if the summon was canonical too
I wonder if I couls use this build to play Colossus.
I think warforged would be a superior choice in that case
Build request: Nandor the Relentless from WWDITS
When the V (Dmc5) build?
Love your vids
can you do demurrage from overlord next time
Could you do Rurouni Kenshin
Glorious
The words "the things butt"
Make me think he uses sandpaper
why bot Atom Smasher and Adam Smasher?
You should do Berk from Berk
Help Tobias get his rocks off.
A star walks into a black hole but doesn't seen phased. The black hole then turns to the star and says, "I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation."
I really thought he would have been an earth-genazi
Stone Rune could be just ... pegging someone in the head with a chunk of concrete. Reskinning is a beautiful thing.
Благодарю.
I would have thought that Earth Genasi would have been a better fit, but Ben doesn't do magic, and an Earth Genasi gets some spells as a racial ability, so I can understand why you decided to go with the Goliath.
Speaking of characters that seem like they fit a build or not, you should really check out Dave the Barbarian and see how you can build those characters; Dave might seem like the most strait forward, seeing as he is canonically referred to as a Barbarian in the D&D sense, but Int is not his dump stat, that would be Cha, amusingly enough, when your own family members call you a dork and your entire kingdom knows you more by the accidents you've had being a hero then you know Charisma is going to be one of your lower stats, especially when you start calling random birds and animals with surprisingly good rolls only for them to immediately attack your head when they land on your arm (yes, that really happened in one episode); Dave also dated an evil princess and still thought she was nice after she tried to destroy the kingdom he's supposed to protect because she said he was sweet for all the terrible poetry he wrote and yelled at the swarm of fey she was using to try and destroy the kingdom (once again, that happened in one episode).
So yeah, go check out Dave the Barbarian; it's probably one of the most D&D shows you will ever see, even when you include streams of people playing D&D. Also, the big bad is a literal talking pig that is apparently a Sorcerer or Wizard voiced by the guy who voices Zim from Invader Zim and Moxie from Helluva Boss; and his name is absolutely great, "The Dark Lord Chuckles the Silly Piggy," and yes, that is his full canonical name.
doom o'clock is bad enough, but what if it took up a whole day? I feel like there's a word for that... 🤔
Marvel's Quake? That would be a interesting build
Just make sure your character doesn’t move his mouth and ONLY say “it’s clobberin’ time!”
Do Adatchi, Sydney Prescott, or Yagami
Surprised you didn't take time to xplain why you didn't pick stone genasi as the race.
Ok so Marvels' The Thing. now about about John Carpenters The Thing (from another world) & Thing Addams. Maybe to be fun could do Mothra (some american releases called her The Thing) All very halloweenie.
How about a ,,How to play Bud Spencer and Terence Hill in D&D" ?
I wonder if Bud is a Barbarian, Fighter or Monk...
I thought he would have made him an Earth Genasi
And another group is completed... not including all the replacements that the FF has had.
At last!!!
Great video tho gotta be a lil stinker and mention that rune knights runecarver feature require it to be carved on a peice of armor of jewelery and the thing lies within the "scantily clad behemoth" category of Marvel supes.
My warforged Rune Knight has the Runes carved into the backs of his hands. Using the Stone Rune looks like he’s performing a Jedi Mind Trick
@@JaelinBezel Thats pretty damn cool
Do how to play as Jevil from deltarune
He I have Idea for a dnd character sir fanger from Lego chima
This is definitely a nitpick but the thing isn’t that tall his cannon height is 6 foot. I know it’s in that pic but comic book nerd all I do is nitpick. :)
Day 18 of asking for How to Play Buster Scruggs in D&D.
The Intelligence is WAY too low. Ben's not in Reed's league, but he's no dummy, either. In comics, he downplays his intelligence but he holds a couple of Bachelor's degrees. Additionally, in order to qualify to be a test pilot, he'd need to hold at least one Bachelor's degree in Physics, Math, or Engineering.
swap CHA and INT, he was an engineer. Feels like you picked goliath to annoy your audience for another clear candidate for earth genasi. Other than the term 'stones endurance' goliath doesn't suit or make any more sense than any other race.
The Thing is 5' 9" hes short.
First
Manifestly not, manifestly pointless.
@@aaronsirkman8375 very much so
Tahm Kench?