Yes. I don't think I have ever been at a crag climbing and then suddenly thought to myself "Gee, I sure wish for some 80s hair metal played through crappy phone speakers."
The fact that they evidence Alex Honnold 7 years ago as a free solo idol and he is been crushing the new generation the past 2 years because of the oscar pretty much looks like a prediction ahaha
@@hahne9 he was well known inside the climbing world, for people who didnt even knew the sport Alex was just like any other climber, no one knew them. Nowadays Alex Honnold and Magnus Midtbo managed to be 2 climbers that got "commercial" status and got known as athletes even tho Alex himself is just a free solo passionist and good climber overall. There are so much more around the climbing world, that is what I meant with my original post.
please don t be one of the belaying guys in the video, they are using the tube wrong... it s not a hms, they should turn there breaking hand ( right hand) around and keep it underneath the belay device in order to hold a suprising fall
billy bob a 5.11 inside is basically a 5.11 outside . the difference is that outdoors you can always grab something that isnt a hold and then the whole route can be way harder than its supposed to be. inside you dont have to worry about that.
+billy bob Depends on what you are used to. I feel the same way, but I have a buddy who feel the opposite. He's used to being allowed to grab anythig he see, being able to choose what feel the most natural for him. Indoor climbing, with the colors you must not use and the wall perfectly flat outside of the one hold you have to take, makes it harder for him.
+billy bob Another factor: gym owners want to make some buck. statistically in larger cities that have more than one gym the attendance is higher at the gym that gives more rewarding grades. people like to cheat themselves and brag with high grades.
Maximilian Peer so you telling me that a 5.11 indoor climb is the same as a 5.11 outdoor climb, you obviously haven’t climbed in JTree have you. I’ve climbed 5.10s indoors and they in no way come close to an outdoor JTree 5.10!
Ian Jones well that’s not how lead belaying usually looks I think people are confused because he’s doing a different type of belay method that’s either from Canada or France (I forget) but it’s industry accepted he’s fine
Oh, dude, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of gym climbers leaving comments about belaying. We know you're a super badass: you've went to a climbing gym three times.
Some of the reasons why I avoid the popular parts of the Gunks during the in-season(s). And there should have been a segment with the guy yelling up beta. Another Gunks annoyance.
@profd65 I don't know why you have such an axe to grind, but his ATC is upside down, hence he is basically just belaying off a carabiner. Stay safe out there.
Pretty on point seems I think every last belayer placed their hand 180 degrees upside down as though to catch their climber with their fingertips as opposed to, IDK, your hand? No wonder they need kevlar reinforced gloves. What exactly is the adverseness to using your hand right side down where you are objectively orders of magnitude stronger? That would be like carrying your groceries into your home with your pinkies extended horizontally and the bags draped over the edge.
Using a guide that way is fine, it's basically like using a regular ATC that doesn't have the ribbed channel. Lower friction may be desirable. Black Diamond calls that Regular Friction Mode, the other way is High Friction Mode.
ZeroContentSF yes the ATC can be backwards but the holding line should always come down and the line go to the climber on top of device. Then you get 3 bands not only 2.
Haha awesome video! Although, I'm not certain why a banana peel on the ground is a problem, or were they trying to portray not leaving right on the trail? To me I see it as an opportunity to give the soil some nutrients. Of course it will attract bugs but I think us stinky climbers attract more anyhow. What am I missing with the banana peel thing? Great job guys!
Solid question Connor. The video is emphasizing leave no trace ethics. There are a few LNT issues with leaving stuff like banana and orange peels on the ground. Like you mentioned they would give nutrients to the soil but those nutrients are from something outside of the normal ecosystem and the point is to leave as little human-caused impact on nature as possible so it is discouraged. They also take really long to decompose which makes them an eyesore for awhile.
I would say it's more a general "please don't just throw stuff in nature". Don't focus so much on the banana as much as the act of filling the crags (and other outdoor areas) with garbage.
Awesome replies, thank you! I guess that all makes sense :) Heck, since we're speaking of trash and you guys know the effects...take my challenge of picking up trash and helping you local crag. I started this out in Wyoming a couple weeks ago and it's turned over some nice results at all of our climbing areas. Below is the link to the rules! Thanks again guys. facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152032255955334&l=7056096782248182541
Tyler, I don't spend enough time on the internet to know what TROLLED means. I either am spending my time outside or helping others. I'm simply trying to get people involved in picking up trash, so if this TROLLED thing is a negative comment towards me, I'd suggest you try to get off the technology and see what the sun looks like. Also, if you can't respect someone's efforts for a positive change, then my thoughts on humans being a failure is true. And please don't act tough over the internet, it's very cowardly and something that city folk do...don't be that guy.
If you live in the dessert the shit may take years to decay and you may be adding harmful bacteria to the ecosystem, so maybe shit before you go out or bring a wag bag
1:30. I recently saw chalk graffiti in a descent "cave" where it will never get washed off. I can't fathom why someone who is climbing in a beautiful, natural setting would feel the narcissistic need to leave behind their own "hieroglyphics"!
@@Ps3luvr260 my thoughts as well. I can imagine in 10,000 years the next civilisation trying to fathom what these pictures mean and what type of cliff dwelling people drew them 😂
Love it lol ima snow boarder and camper lol there’s always this guy…. Best thing to do is teach them tell them when they do wrong and if they a buttheads leave ‘em be, they will eventually understand they don’t belong outdoors/recreationally especially if everyone else does the same… but there will still be that last person who does it just because getting on peoples nerves is how they still amuse themselves after being a bully as long as society will allow
Pretty sure my guy took a dump like 4 times in the same video just to thoroughly show off that hip mobility. That's a fiercesome squat and he knows it.
I guess this clip is hitting the 2nd degree pretty hard with the fact that although the main guy is being an idiot, the other guys that appear in there are also, despite their annoyance, just as inept (only a few seconds here and there is enough to see absolutely horrid belaying). This is what discovering the outdoor climbing community has been like for me. A high concentration of climbing geeks who act all snobbish and try to bully newcomers with their "superior knowledge" all while being generally incompetent themselves. At some point if you stick to it long enough and learn the ropes properly from people who actually do know what they're talking about, you figure out that most of the posturing was completely baseless and most of the people you saw being all pedantic were, in fact, completely full of shit.
All the normal people at the crag are not wearing helmets while the idiot in the movie is. Why create that message? I understand that it is probably not intentional, but this video is reproducing a stereotype that it is uncool to wear a helmet at the crag...
I wear a helmet when I feel it's necessary. I don't when I don't feel it's necessary. Has nothing to do with "looking cool". It's because I like the feeling of a breeze. If peer pressure is that much of an issue than the issue is the subject hasn't grown up yet. Only one way to correct that issue.
I can see where you're coming from, but as a habit it's just better to leave no trace except footprints. So not even organic waste. Most of the time it's not native to the area
Yeah that might be ok in very remote places with wet soil, and lost of natural decomposition. Not in a place that people use. Certainly not at a climbing crag. That banana peel may sit there for months before it decomposes. In dry climates it can be years. Even if it's only one a-hole a week that tosses their fruit skins, the place would be covered very quickly. Pack your waste out; even "natural" waste.
@@jakedath4331 idiot are you aware of the shit you said? Did i mentioned stuffing banana peels in fucking crag lines or something? For sure. No. Nature will decompose everything on this planet made by human hand,but here you are saying that will do damage? And guy above said its not native food...wtf? You arent planting 1000 banana palm trees,you are throwing away nutrients for every plant there is.
it's gone because somebody else picked up your trash for you. bananas take months to fully decompose and animals aren't interested in eating bitter banana skins.
I blame gym culture and it's horde of whippersnappers. Especially if the kids get strong before they go outside. Funny how the culture has devolved into doing whatever you want as long as you're strong enough to physically climb the route. Yes, that includes retro bolting without first ascent permission. The increase of popularity in our sport has taken away more than it's given in my opinion.
The rocks are public land, we all own them. I don’t care about somebody’s territory they made up in their head. How are you supposed to figure out who did the first accent anyways? You’re Trippin dude
Why isn't he blasting his obscure musical choices for everyone else to hear?
Yes. I don't think I have ever been at a crag climbing and then suddenly thought to myself "Gee, I sure wish for some 80s hair metal played through crappy phone speakers."
The casually tossing rocks part was my favorite
I couldn't stop laughing at the continual crapping everywhere.. But i have to admit i have done the free solo one a few times...
Laughing ? Shit isn’t funny honestly I’m tired of it
@@Bigbadwolfanderson Yeah i know, it's disgusting. That's why i'm laughing at it because they're making fun of the idiots that do it.
@@Bigbadwolfanderson I’d love to take a shit in your car. Just saying Mr big bad wolf.
The fact that they evidence Alex Honnold 7 years ago as a free solo idol and he is been crushing the new generation the past 2 years because of the oscar pretty much looks like a prediction ahaha
He was already well known years before in the climbing world. Freerider was not his first free solo achievement 🤦♂.
@@hahne9 he was well known inside the climbing world, for people who didnt even knew the sport Alex was just like any other climber, no one knew them. Nowadays Alex Honnold and Magnus Midtbo managed to be 2 climbers that got "commercial" status and got known as athletes even tho Alex himself is just a free solo passionist and good climber overall. There are so much more around the climbing world, that is what I meant with my original post.
Is the bad belaying supposed to be a joke too? Don't hold the blocking side of the rope underhand!
please don t be one of the belaying guys in the video, they are using the tube wrong... it s not a hms, they should turn there breaking hand ( right hand) around and keep it underneath the belay device in order to hold a suprising fall
That carabiner is designed for this…
"I climb 5.10 in the gym okay?" HAHAHA
billy bob a 5.11 inside is basically a 5.11 outside . the difference is that outdoors you can always grab something that isnt a hold and then the whole route can be way harder than its supposed to be. inside you dont have to worry about that.
+billy bob It sure feels like that.
+billy bob Depends on what you are used to. I feel the same way, but I have a buddy who feel the opposite. He's used to being allowed to grab anythig he see, being able to choose what feel the most natural for him. Indoor climbing, with the colors you must not use and the wall perfectly flat outside of the one hold you have to take, makes it harder for him.
+billy bob Another factor: gym owners want to make some buck. statistically in larger cities that have more than one gym the attendance is higher at the gym that gives more rewarding grades. people like to cheat themselves and brag with high grades.
Maximilian Peer so you telling me that a 5.11 indoor climb is the same as a 5.11 outdoor climb, you obviously haven’t climbed in JTree have you. I’ve climbed 5.10s indoors and they in no way come close to an outdoor JTree 5.10!
It would be nice if the experienced climber in the video was using the correct hand positioning for belaying.
Lol
A climbing gym dork criticizing somebody's belaying: I've never seen that at a climbing video before.
yes... i saw this and was little bit irritated too
Also, I believe the atc is backwards.
It's satire relax
Am I the only one who sees really bad belaying at around 0:46 ?
I noticed imediately.
And then i went to comments section looking exactly for this your comment.
No man, you are not the oly one!
It's called lead belaying ;-)
And this video is cringey af
Ian Jones well that’s not how lead belaying usually looks I think people are confused because he’s doing a different type of belay method that’s either from Canada or France (I forget) but it’s industry accepted he’s fine
Oh, dude, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of gym climbers leaving comments about belaying. We know you're a super badass: you've went to a climbing gym three times.
Is that Kevin from Collegehumor??
Some of the reasons why I avoid the popular parts of the Gunks during the in-season(s). And there should have been a segment with the guy yelling up beta. Another Gunks annoyance.
OMG... the belay device at 0:48 is threaded incorrectly.... climber goes on top! Don't be that guy at the crag!
Would not want to get belayed by that guy in the red lmao.
Yeah I just noticed lol
Also, don´t be that belaying dude at 0:45
Thanks for the info, climbing gym hero.
profd65 real geniuses aren’t they 😂🤣
@profd65 I don't know why you have such an axe to grind, but his ATC is upside down, hence he is basically just belaying off a carabiner. Stay safe out there.
@@profd65 Come on this way of belaying is really bad
Pretty on point seems I think every last belayer placed their hand 180 degrees upside down as though to catch their climber with their fingertips as opposed to, IDK, your hand? No wonder they need kevlar reinforced gloves. What exactly is the adverseness to using your hand right side down where you are objectively orders of magnitude stronger? That would be like carrying your groceries into your home with your pinkies extended horizontally and the bags draped over the edge.
do you think your fingers aren't involved in grabbing the rope just because you can't see them when they're facing away from you?
at least kevin wears his helmet
Isn't this guy's belay device upside down at 0:43?
I saw a guys dog eat a climbers sock in one go at a crag once. dong be that dog at the crag
So funny. I've never experienced anyone out on routes like this guy.
Does this guy have IBS?
lol your guide was backwards @ 0:55
Crossloaded biner too
Using a guide that way is fine, it's basically like using a regular ATC that doesn't have the ribbed channel. Lower friction may be desirable. Black Diamond calls that Regular Friction Mode, the other way is High Friction Mode.
ZeroContentSF
Yeah .. I was just bein' 'that guy' on the internets ;)
RidingInKelowna lmao
ZeroContentSF yes the ATC can be backwards but the holding line should always come down and the line go to the climber on top of device. Then you get 3 bands not only 2.
Haha awesome video! Although, I'm not certain why a banana peel on the ground is a problem, or were they trying to portray not leaving right on the trail? To me I see it as an opportunity to give the soil some nutrients. Of course it will attract bugs but I think us stinky climbers attract more anyhow. What am I missing with the banana peel thing? Great job guys!
Solid question Connor. The video is emphasizing leave no trace ethics. There are a few LNT issues with leaving stuff like banana and orange peels on the ground. Like you mentioned they would give nutrients to the soil but those nutrients are from something outside of the normal ecosystem and the point is to leave as little human-caused impact on nature as possible so it is discouraged. They also take really long to decompose which makes them an eyesore for awhile.
I would say it's more a general "please don't just throw stuff in nature". Don't focus so much on the banana as much as the act of filling the crags (and other outdoor areas) with garbage.
Awesome replies, thank you! I guess that all makes sense :) Heck, since we're speaking of trash and you guys know the effects...take my challenge of picking up trash and helping you local crag. I started this out in Wyoming a couple weeks ago and it's turned over some nice results at all of our climbing areas. Below is the link to the rules! Thanks again guys.
facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152032255955334&l=7056096782248182541
Conor Raney TROLLED
Tyler, I don't spend enough time on the internet to know what TROLLED means. I either am spending my time outside or helping others. I'm simply trying to get people involved in picking up trash, so if this TROLLED thing is a negative comment towards me, I'd suggest you try to get off the technology and see what the sun looks like. Also, if you can't respect someone's efforts for a positive change, then my thoughts on humans being a failure is true. And please don't act tough over the internet, it's very cowardly and something that city folk do...don't be that guy.
Kevin from CH climbs?
SoyRumbler I guess so
I've been working at Climbing Magazine for three years now.
at least that guy wears a helmet while the others don't. so son't be the other guys either.
mountsun U don’t need one
What kind of pants are those at 0:35? I cant find them anywhere
It is biodegradable, but just do it far away from the crag and dig a whole, and do it away from sources of water like wilderness backpacking.
If you live in the dessert the shit may take years to decay and you may be adding harmful bacteria to the ecosystem, so maybe shit before you go out or bring a wag bag
Why is every belay device attached upside down haha
1:30. I recently saw chalk graffiti in a descent "cave" where it will never get washed off. I can't fathom why someone who is climbing in a beautiful, natural setting would feel the narcissistic need to leave behind their own "hieroglyphics"!
Cave men did it.
Yawn
Humans have been painting on rock since before they knew what it meant to be human, I wouldn’t expect anything to change lol
@@Ps3luvr260 my thoughts as well. I can imagine in 10,000 years the next civilisation trying to fathom what these pictures mean and what type of cliff dwelling people drew them 😂
What’s wrong with all of you?…we’re not talking about an ancient culture’s art here, we’re talking about some a-hole’s self-gratifying graffiti!!
you ever have the moment where you're like 95% sure you know someone, but there's no way you know them because what would _they_ be doing _here_
So I’m new to rock climbing. Is the guy shitting right in front of you really a problem????
Well, at least he was wearing a helmet.
Now that's some good stuff! Pass it on!
kinda looks like boulder canyon? dont go there!
Hey! That’s me!
0:42 I taught Gina that thing you like
Walked away from a climbing partner that did all this
Check your device boys .
This video perpetuates the problem , don’t be this video.
Haha, funny video and great message in the end 🤘 😎
Love it lol ima snow boarder and camper lol there’s always this guy…. Best thing to do is teach them tell them when they do wrong and if they a buttheads leave ‘em be, they will eventually understand they don’t belong outdoors/recreationally especially if everyone else does the same… but there will still be that last person who does it just because getting on peoples nerves is how they still amuse themselves after being a bully as long as society will allow
Maybe don't be that guy on the crag who's too cool to wear a helmet
Maybe don't worry about other people's personal safety decisions. Not like anyone needs to be enlightened that getting wacked in the head is bad.
Ha ha .. I thought this was another CollegeHumor sketch
Hey at least he has helmet on
Yea I don’t think anybody puts peanut butter on the rocks. This isn’t relatable and very stupid
I thought it was really funny! 🤣
"Its natural" "Were in nature"
Pretty sure my guy took a dump like 4 times in the same video just to thoroughly show off that hip mobility. That's a fiercesome squat and he knows it.
I didn't see anything wrong with the banana peel.
Depending on the environment. Here in the south a banana peel would mulch within a couple weeks.
I guess this clip is hitting the 2nd degree pretty hard with the fact that although the main guy is being an idiot, the other guys that appear in there are also, despite their annoyance, just as inept (only a few seconds here and there is enough to see absolutely horrid belaying).
This is what discovering the outdoor climbing community has been like for me. A high concentration of climbing geeks who act all snobbish and try to bully newcomers with their "superior knowledge" all while being generally incompetent themselves.
At some point if you stick to it long enough and learn the ropes properly from people who actually do know what they're talking about, you figure out that most of the posturing was completely baseless and most of the people you saw being all pedantic were, in fact, completely full of shit.
everything is correct but the banana trash is good for nature
I...t
All the normal people at the crag are not wearing helmets while the idiot in the movie is. Why create that message? I understand that it is probably not intentional, but this video is reproducing a stereotype that it is uncool to wear a helmet at the crag...
I wear a helmet when I feel it's necessary. I don't when I don't feel it's necessary. Has nothing to do with "looking cool". It's because I like the feeling of a breeze. If peer pressure is that much of an issue than the issue is the subject hasn't grown up yet. Only one way to correct that issue.
You should throw banana and other organic waste in nature. Not in the path or road but sure under some tree or near a bush or something
I can see where you're coming from, but as a habit it's just better to leave no trace except footprints. So not even organic waste. Most of the time it's not native to the area
Yeah that might be ok in very remote places with wet soil, and lost of natural decomposition. Not in a place that people use. Certainly not at a climbing crag. That banana peel may sit there for months before it decomposes. In dry climates it can be years. Even if it's only one a-hole a week that tosses their fruit skins, the place would be covered very quickly. Pack your waste out; even "natural" waste.
@@jakedath4331 idiot are you aware of the shit you said? Did i mentioned stuffing banana peels in fucking crag lines or something? For sure. No. Nature will decompose everything on this planet made by human hand,but here you are saying that will do damage? And guy above said its not native food...wtf? You arent planting 1000 banana palm trees,you are throwing away nutrients for every plant there is.
In this days,unfortunately is quite common to see this people..... is the new generation !!! They think that are so COOL """.
“That guy at the crag” reminds me of climbing magazine..
Obnoxious
lol you guys are complaining about the banana peel?? it's compost get over it.....it's the same as a dead tree falling
+isaac dyck When was the last time you saw a banana tree in the woods?
+moxy82 Ants ate them... ALL OF THEM!
+moxy82 In Argentina, why ?
spot on
ants and shit will happily take it :D
lmao😂😂😅
The banana thing isn't that bad, just throw it further away, in a few days it's totally gone.
If everyone does it, it'll fill with trash and it also hurts the wildlife that shouldn't be eating what ever is there.
it's gone because somebody else picked up your trash for you. bananas take months to fully decompose and animals aren't interested in eating bitter banana skins.
@@geologick What? No they don't. Lol months.
I agree. Of course plastic rubbish is a totally different story
banana peels arent litter unless youre in the city
WTF!!!!!! hehehe
childish
Banana peel is biodegradable and edible no harm there
Why should others have to look at your trash next to the trail?
Introducing non native organic substances can lead to harmful outcomes. If you're in a place where bananas grow, you can toss them. If not, don't.
I blame gym culture and it's horde of whippersnappers. Especially if the kids get strong before they go outside. Funny how the culture has devolved into doing whatever you want as long as you're strong enough to physically climb the route. Yes, that includes retro bolting without first ascent permission. The increase of popularity in our sport has taken away more than it's given in my opinion.
The rocks are public land, we all own them. I don’t care about somebody’s territory they made up in their head. How are you supposed to figure out who did the first accent anyways? You’re Trippin dude
Any sports that go main stream, go downhill in a hurry.
Most elitist comment I’ve ever read