Something the video didn't warn you about is that if you frustrate us we might not be taken down but become explossive. So think carefully. Do you really wanna test it?
Me (INTJ) frustrated by my micromanaging (ISTJ) colleague: *attempting the small talk strategy* "Have you tried the new chairs in the other department? I bet they're super comfy."
Everyone hates ISTJs and ESTJs. We come off as controlling, uptight, and mean. ESFJs can come off as trying too hard. In general, people dislike all of these traits and don’t attempt to try to get any deeper. And no one dislikes ISFJs, they just forget about them or think the ISFJs in their life aren’t ISFJs.
@@nooneneedstoknowmyname great... One lives with karens and the other with boring babies lmao... I'm ENTP here... Living with ENTJ, ISTJ, ISFJ, ENFP... All boys and I'm the third brother...
@@abdelkarimdebbah9512 Lmao, I love that descriptor. What's that like? Do you and your ENFP brother ever drive your IsxJ brothers mad with the Ne vs Si?
Poor you. You need other types of people in your life to counterbalance the "sensory" overload. And don't let them change who you are. In fact, be more of who you are, just to annoy them. lol
Same but my mom is ESFJ, we do get along fine overall but they often had trouble understanding me especially during my teens. My mom has trouble understanding the concept of introversion and being nerdy.
I'm in ISTJ bordering on INTJ and all of your points about how to undermine an ISTJ are so spot I couldn't help but chuckle lol. "Drowning in a sea of cordiality" seems like my idea of hell lol. I always prefer being straight with people and absolutely hate small talk and to be put in such a place would be stressful. "Sowing the seeds of uncertainty" would also a complete underminement of an ISTJ who often prefers stability and security. Uncertainty in the future can cause an insecurity of where one stands in the present and that can be really disorienting to an ISTJ
It's my personal experience though as an isfj that to always communicate with rivals or sneaky peers in written form. Because it is easy for us to debate if we have tangible proof to defend ourselves. I faced many organizational politics where being an introvert is quite a difficult thing to debate for yourself but keeping evidence of your good work/ tasks will really help you in defending yourself.
This video shows how I as an INTP teaching seemingly INFP-oriented English lessons unintentionally stump ISxJs too often. The lessons are filled to the brim with hypotheticals that I feel comfortable making guesses about even if I know little about them but they cannot guess at all simply because they haven't experienced anything remotely similar. Asking them to fill in the holes in their otherwise stable personal beliefs paralyzes the more passive/inexperienced/lazy ones among them. INFPs are honest with their feelings and expect others to be similarly honest which can be a challenge for both ISTJs and ISFJs. Loops are especially annoying. I think ISTJs on Si-Fi loops are blind to logical truths and are tough to correct. ISFJs on Si-Ti loops are too dispassionate and crumble at the presence of a question about morality (I sometimes feel like my own Fe overpowers theirs). Much younger ISFJs on Si-Ti loops answer in heavily summarized and oversimplified ways to the point I sometimes mistype them as ISTPs. This is why I'm working to improv my questions to be more universally relatable. On a positive note, I'm extremely popular among some other SJ students because my Ti+Ne allows them to see logical perspectives that they could have never thought of otherwise.
This feels very CS Joseph, as in training people how to hurt people as opposed to training people how to be protected from people who try to hurt them. Imo
Small anecdote on the ESFJ and isolation... yes, it really does work. Well... mostly. Half the time I tried cutting off contact, he just tried even harder to get through to me. But if you're honest with your feelings, you might just get to the point where the ESFJ is willing to throw down their weapons and listen, because destroying a relationship is the LAST thing they want to do (despite what their actions might say).
Oh yes, by all means. Try frustrating the "Guardian" types. If you are lucky enough the frustration will make us anxious to your profit. If not, you will have to deal with the explossive side of us, which, because of our sensory and focus on the tangible side of the world, will be real, not just theoritical. I've been in all the situations that were pointed out for my type. Even all together. And spoiler alert, the one in loss wasn't me in the end. None of those times. This frustration can make one stronger instead of taking them down. The true cryptonite is something else. Also, seeing the comments and how most are sitting in their armchairs petting white cats with their evil masterplan to destroy others, makes me wonder...am I the only that watches these videos as a guide of what not to do in order to avoid frustrating anyone? Most likely...
What's the true kryptonite then? How are we supposed to judge the validity of your criticism if you don't back up your better hypothesis with actual data for proof?
It's criminal how much ESFJ's creativity goes unnoticed. I've yet to meet one who doesn't have it in abundance. I suppose it's because they don't seem to bring a lot of notice to it themselves, in favour of other things going on in their lives but yeah.
I think our problem is we tend to nit-pick other people's stuff on the details and that makes people mad. That part tends to overshadow our own creations, if I'm getting this right (I may not, I don't know for sure)
@@NurseLady7 You bring up a good point. The only thing I can do is to make my own baked goods that will be so amazing they'll make the ISFJ baked goods obsolete. You know what they say, if you can't beat 'em find a bigger rolling pin.
Where's my "How to beat the SP types" video? Is Nathan trying to imply they can't be taken down? :D I watched and took notes on all three videos from this series. Lovely, informative, straight to the point, confirming my suspicions, 10/10.
Do you have an SJ nemesis? No - also yes. SJs as a group are simply difficult for me to understand. I annoy them accidentally a great deal. Especially ESFJ & ISFJ. I feel like if I were an INFJ, I might've found these solutions by now. But alas, Ni~Fi.
@@idiotslife8508 of course you can. Your mbti type just show the functions you naturally favour. It doesn't mean you can't develop others. You should dive deeper in the cognitive functions theory.
I'm intj I respect SJs just like they can find loopholes in my logic I am also able to find few loopholes in their anger. We both are stubborn in different ways .
i hate this esfj gossipy coworker rn so i manipulated my esfp 7w8 ''friend'' into confronting her about the stuff she says about me (i told my esfp ''friend'' that the esfj was talking about her). the esfj got embarrassed and said it was all ''lies'' even though she bullies me and has shown otherwise. But she has not bothered me anymore :)
Why are the types divided up so seemingly arbtirarily. Not here specifically, but in general it seems like we're dividing the types by "middle functions" some of the time, like NF and NT, but 2nd and 4th other times, like SJs and SPs. why not SF and ST, like NF and NT?
I mean, with ESFJs if you just ignore them when they start up with their "Omg you don't appreciate what a perfect angel I am" tantrum that's enough all on its own.
Everyone: "xSFJs are selfless heroes" xSFJs: Confine people to narrow behavioural and conceptual boxes and consider you monstrous for wanting to go outside it. Would rather play up the illusion of harmony than see the deeper basis for relationships. Would gladly sacrifice your wellbeing for the sake of the group.
@@NevertahnProductionI suppose the main difference with Si+Fe is that it is somewhat more superficial. Ni+Fe likes to dig deep. True, Ni+Fe also puts people into boxes, but at least those boxes are different from the superficial, conventional boxes that (often) come with traditional roles. Another problem is the "controlling" trait of SJs in general, it is true that ENFJs also can come accross as disrespecting personal boundaries in a "I know what's better for you" type of approach, but ESFJ does it and puts their solution into action, and it's just harder to deal with because it denies freedom in physical realm as well. Or maybe, I'm just biased because I'm (probably) an INTP and Si+Fe is just really difficult for me in general
@@ilke3192 its probably a you thing. i know dozens of esfj and even i dont like all of them. some im easily annoyed by, but some are very intelligent and inspiring. i myself also occasionally seek emotional support from SJ and while they occasionally put a box around my problem, they make it very free for me to steer it. perhaps i found friendly SJ. i also dont think Si is superficial. both organising functions are valid, but one focuses on the concepts while the other focuses on reality. with that in mind, maybe you might notice that SJ are practitioners of reality and might know a thing or two about how things actually work. again, its all about the person. ive met intp who are too slow to get a job, i know 2 esfj who work big jobs; family doctor, and a business analyst, i know istp who really open up emotionally about a lot, i know istj who are chaotic as heck... i know quiet enfp.... anyway my point is their functions align that way, but their abilities and personality can totally juxtapose that. the reason SJ seem to be the most hated group is that theres a lot of them, so the chances of running into someone who is annoying is much higher since theres more of them. it also seems to be the status quo to challenge everything SJ do and write it up as 'superficial' and 'stupid'. its where the countless "stupid sensor" stuff comes from. theyre easily the most disliked group of people for reasons they cant control. maybe get to know some or find SJ that work for you. they dont need to think like you, but you might be surprised how chill they can be
@@ilke3192 Not sure about the superficial. Sometimes seemingly superficial help has a deep impact. For me as an INFJ the control SJ types desire is still more understandable and acceptable than control imposed by high use of Te.
Now I can finally take down all of my ISFJ enemies!!
The third idea is monstrous, it would definitively annoy me😖😂 but as an ISFJ married to an ESTJ i say bring it😂
Something the video didn't warn you about is that if you frustrate us we might not be taken down but become explossive. So think carefully. Do you really wanna test it?
@@MaariaaaLhaaaa! Fellow isfj married to an estj
Good one 😂
Bold of you to assume we're your enemies.
-ISFJ
Me (INTJ) frustrated by my micromanaging (ISTJ) colleague:
*attempting the small talk strategy*
"Have you tried the new chairs in the other department? I bet they're super comfy."
😂😂😂
I can already see that the SJ are the most disliked types. Look how many people really wanna make their lives terrible.
Everyone hates ISTJs and ESTJs. We come off as controlling, uptight, and mean. ESFJs can come off as trying too hard.
In general, people dislike all of these traits and don’t attempt to try to get any deeper.
And no one dislikes ISFJs, they just forget about them or think the ISFJs in their life aren’t ISFJs.
I live with an ESTJ, ESFJ and ISTJ, and as an INFJ, I'm always hearing about how I should live in the real world more, and less in the clouds.
Yaikes, that's too many J types 😬
I live the opposite life lmao, one person I live with is an ESFJ, and the other two is an INFP and an ISFP.
@@nooneneedstoknowmyname great... One lives with karens and the other with boring babies lmao...
I'm ENTP here... Living with ENTJ, ISTJ, ISFJ, ENFP... All boys and I'm the third brother...
@@abdelkarimdebbah9512 Lmao, I love that descriptor.
What's that like? Do you and your ENFP brother ever drive your IsxJ brothers mad with the Ne vs Si?
Poor you. You need other types of people in your life to counterbalance the "sensory" overload. And don't let them change who you are. In fact, be more of who you are, just to annoy them. lol
As an INFP with ISTJ and ISFJ parents, I’m seeing many of the reasons why we’ve always struggled to get along.
SAMEEE BUT IM ENTP
Same but my mom is ESFJ, we do get along fine overall but they often had trouble understanding me especially during my teens. My mom has trouble understanding the concept of introversion and being nerdy.
I'm in ISTJ bordering on INTJ and all of your points about how to undermine an ISTJ are so spot I couldn't help but chuckle lol. "Drowning in a sea of cordiality" seems like my idea of hell lol. I always prefer being straight with people and absolutely hate small talk and to be put in such a place would be stressful. "Sowing the seeds of uncertainty" would also a complete underminement of an ISTJ who often prefers stability and security. Uncertainty in the future can cause an insecurity of where one stands in the present and that can be really disorienting to an ISTJ
Agreed.
Thank you for this, it will be very….useful.
-Entp with an Istj brother.
i dont like where this is going
@@MrRobloxIndonesia haha my mom is also an esxj soooo, very helpful indeed. {I’m mostly kidding}
@@wandaberry4085 i see you've been scolded by your mother quite often
@@MrRobloxIndonesia ahaha shush
The nxp community is rooting for you.
I'm watching this video so I can see how to not get beat.
-ISFJ
It's my personal experience though as an isfj that to always communicate with rivals or sneaky peers in written form. Because it is easy for us to debate if we have tangible proof to defend ourselves. I faced many organizational politics where being an introvert is quite a difficult thing to debate for yourself but keeping evidence of your good work/ tasks will really help you in defending yourself.
This video shows how I as an INTP teaching seemingly INFP-oriented English lessons unintentionally stump ISxJs too often. The lessons are filled to the brim with hypotheticals that I feel comfortable making guesses about even if I know little about them but they cannot guess at all simply because they haven't experienced anything remotely similar. Asking them to fill in the holes in their otherwise stable personal beliefs paralyzes the more passive/inexperienced/lazy ones among them. INFPs are honest with their feelings and expect others to be similarly honest which can be a challenge for both ISTJs and ISFJs.
Loops are especially annoying. I think ISTJs on Si-Fi loops are blind to logical truths and are tough to correct. ISFJs on Si-Ti loops are too dispassionate and crumble at the presence of a question about morality (I sometimes feel like my own Fe overpowers theirs). Much younger ISFJs on Si-Ti loops answer in heavily summarized and oversimplified ways to the point I sometimes mistype them as ISTPs.
This is why I'm working to improv my questions to be more universally relatable.
On a positive note, I'm extremely popular among some other SJ students because my Ti+Ne allows them to see logical perspectives that they could have never thought of otherwise.
This feels very CS Joseph, as in training people how to hurt people as opposed to training people how to be protected from people who try to hurt them.
Imo
Exactly what I thought
Except Nathan knows how to take a joke or be genuine
Small anecdote on the ESFJ and isolation... yes, it really does work. Well... mostly. Half the time I tried cutting off contact, he just tried even harder to get through to me. But if you're honest with your feelings, you might just get to the point where the ESFJ is willing to throw down their weapons and listen, because destroying a relationship is the LAST thing they want to do (despite what their actions might say).
I feel like I'm always under threat of being managed by the SJs in my life. Thank you for this.😊
I check your channel everyday, waiting for the ISTP version. Waiting at the edge of my seat lol
Oh yes, by all means. Try frustrating the "Guardian" types. If you are lucky enough the frustration will make us anxious to your profit. If not, you will have to deal with the explossive side of us, which, because of our sensory and focus on the tangible side of the world, will be real, not just theoritical.
I've been in all the situations that were pointed out for my type. Even all together. And spoiler alert, the one in loss wasn't me in the end. None of those times. This frustration can make one stronger instead of taking them down.
The true cryptonite is something else.
Also, seeing the comments and how most are sitting in their armchairs petting white cats with their evil masterplan to destroy others, makes me wonder...am I the only that watches these videos as a guide of what not to do in order to avoid frustrating anyone?
Most likely...
You definitely aren't the only one!!
Are your intentions truly pure?
What's the true kryptonite then? How are we supposed to judge the validity of your criticism if you don't back up your better hypothesis with actual data for proof?
It's criminal how much ESFJ's creativity goes unnoticed. I've yet to meet one who doesn't have it in abundance. I suppose it's because they don't seem to bring a lot of notice to it themselves, in favour of other things going on in their lives but yeah.
This makes me feel so vindicated and heart-warmed, thank you so much! ❤
I think our problem is we tend to nit-pick other people's stuff on the details and that makes people mad. That part tends to overshadow our own creations, if I'm getting this right (I may not, I don't know for sure)
Best video series ever! 😂
- INFJ
I love xSFJs.
That being said though, the way to beat an ISFJ sounds like it'd be a lot of fun.
Not if it ends up pissing them off.
@@CineMairon That could make things even more fun.
@@ninal309 That's fine, I've never been big on long term relationships.
But, you may not get any more baked goods and gifts if your plan succeeds. Is it worth it in the end?
@@NurseLady7 You bring up a good point. The only thing I can do is to make my own baked goods that will be so amazing they'll make the ISFJ baked goods obsolete.
You know what they say, if you can't beat 'em find a bigger rolling pin.
SJs are the "mini bosses" from the MBTI Multiverse
This is too mean!
Where's my "How to beat the SP types" video? Is Nathan trying to imply they can't be taken down? :D
I watched and took notes on all three videos from this series. Lovely, informative, straight to the point, confirming my suspicions, 10/10.
EHEHEEHEHE
VENGENCE IS MINE
-INTP with an ESFJ cousin
me a INTJ A After watching 4 videos of this type having a way to beat all 16 personalties
Irritate them maybe, Frustrate them most likely. Beating them not really.
So dangerous
Do you have an SJ nemesis?
No - also yes.
SJs as a group are simply difficult for me to understand. I annoy them accidentally a great deal. Especially ESFJ & ISFJ. I feel like if I were an INFJ, I might've found these solutions by now. But alas, Ni~Fi.
It was interesting! Thank you, i waited for this video
now this is useful I'm such a hypocritic, but they make the lives of intuitive types hell lol but I guess they feel the same
Please do about SP’s types I need to stop the mockery from an ISFP (INFP here)
As an ESxJ (ESFJ with high Te), I found this video very intresting. Thanks a lot !
You can't have te if your esfj. Do you mean estj?
@@idiotslife8508 of course you can. Your mbti type just show the functions you naturally favour. It doesn't mean you can't develop others.
You should dive deeper in the cognitive functions theory.
I'm intj I respect SJs just like they can find loopholes in my logic I am also able to find few loopholes in their anger. We both are stubborn in different ways .
How to beat the SP types when?🤨(ISTP, ISFP, ESTP, ESFP)
too strong
We need one on ENFP!!!
Already there check prev video
"ISFJ... create a hostile environment."
ENTP: THIS IS IT>:)
You’re not my first ENTP opponent. Bring it. 😎🤪😁
I’m saving this for later 🙂
You are starting my villain era😅
i hate this esfj gossipy coworker rn so i manipulated my esfp 7w8 ''friend'' into confronting her about the stuff she says about me (i told my esfp ''friend'' that the esfj was talking about her). the esfj got embarrassed and said it was all ''lies'' even though she bullies me and has shown otherwise. But she has not bothered me anymore :)
So good❤
Nathan 💥
i’m trying to type myself and i’m stuck between enfj, isfj and esfj. but after seeing all these comments and the video I just hope that i’m an enfj 😭💀
Why are the types divided up so seemingly arbtirarily. Not here specifically, but in general it seems like we're dividing the types by "middle functions" some of the time, like NF and NT, but 2nd and 4th other times, like SJs and SPs.
why not SF and ST, like NF and NT?
Does it matter?
Where is the SP video?
You diabolical man you…you’re right. XD :P
Sj have the most bias!
I suddenly feel like a supervillian...
I mean, with ESFJs if you just ignore them when they start up with their "Omg you don't appreciate what a perfect angel I am" tantrum that's enough all on its own.
Nathan please help me my crush is an ENFJ (I'm an inquisitive INTJ) thanks!
Toxic video. I like it.
spotify wrapped 2023 please
No, not trying to beat anyone.
Go and just slap them. Kind regards, your ISTP
How do you beat an ENFP?
How do I join the discord server?
1. istj estj isfj esfj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Easy, with a metal pipe
If I were to challenge the ISFJ, I'd basically be a manipulative jerk.
-INFP
Conversely, they're among the easiest types to take advantage of as they're quick to submit. -INTP agreeing
Everyone: "xSFJs are selfless heroes"
xSFJs: Confine people to narrow behavioural and conceptual boxes and consider you monstrous for wanting to go outside it. Would rather play up the illusion of harmony than see the deeper basis for relationships. Would gladly sacrifice your wellbeing for the sake of the group.
just sounds like Fe to me. its also the worst side of Fe. you could do this with every function and everyone would sound unappealing
@@NevertahnProductionI suppose the main difference with Si+Fe is that it is somewhat more superficial. Ni+Fe likes to dig deep. True, Ni+Fe also puts people into boxes, but at least those boxes are different from the superficial, conventional boxes that (often) come with traditional roles.
Another problem is the "controlling" trait of SJs in general, it is true that ENFJs also can come accross as disrespecting personal boundaries in a "I know what's better for you" type of approach, but ESFJ does it and puts their solution into action, and it's just harder to deal with because it denies freedom in physical realm as well. Or maybe, I'm just biased because I'm (probably) an INTP and Si+Fe is just really difficult for me in general
@@ilke3192 its probably a you thing.
i know dozens of esfj and even i dont like all of them. some im easily annoyed by, but some are very intelligent and inspiring.
i myself also occasionally seek emotional support from SJ and while they occasionally put a box around my problem, they make it very free for me to steer it. perhaps i found friendly SJ.
i also dont think Si is superficial. both organising functions are valid, but one focuses on the concepts while the other focuses on reality. with that in mind, maybe you might notice that SJ are practitioners of reality and might know a thing or two about how things actually work.
again, its all about the person. ive met intp who are too slow to get a job, i know 2 esfj who work big jobs; family doctor, and a business analyst, i know istp who really open up emotionally about a lot, i know istj who are chaotic as heck... i know quiet enfp....
anyway my point is their functions align that way, but their abilities and personality can totally juxtapose that. the reason SJ seem to be the most hated group is that theres a lot of them, so the chances of running into someone who is annoying is much higher since theres more of them.
it also seems to be the status quo to challenge everything SJ do and write it up as 'superficial' and 'stupid'. its where the countless "stupid sensor" stuff comes from. theyre easily the most disliked group of people for reasons they cant control.
maybe get to know some or find SJ that work for you. they dont need to think like you, but you might be surprised how chill they can be
@@NevertahnProduction The conceptual boxes and illusion of harmony is very Si.
@@ilke3192 Not sure about the superficial. Sometimes seemingly superficial help has a deep impact. For me as an INFJ the control SJ types desire is still more understandable and acceptable than control imposed by high use of Te.
thodogos pizza ciecream smooothies.
Those pesky lil SJs gonna get sum.
This video isnt supposed to spark hate. SJ get so much hate.
1. istj estj isfj esfj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!