As an INTJ people perceive me as sweet, quiet, smart or some combination of the three. I am not unemotional or cold I just prefer to use logic to solve my problems. I’m not antisocial either. I’m either in the mood to socialize or I’m not. Like a cat, if I want to spend time with people I will seek people out and if I don’t then I’ll go off and do my own thing. Anyways great video, I really enjoyed it.
@@kingyo8969 Exactly right. It's important to set boundaries early on in relationships as INTJs are not inclined to be bossed around and rebel when someone tries to dominate them.
@@Adara007 I'm living with an INTJ who has just this problem : the habit of being used as a psychologist with no attention in return. Might have a lot to do with how their parents educated them tho.
@@lc1138 The INTJ is using you as their unpaid personal therapist? That's not typical of INTJs who are usually not inclined to tell any friend or loved one too much about their emotions and any problems. It's not a trait that you'll find with most INTJs unless they're pathologically narcissistic. In terms of the one you're living with it's important that they seek a professional for their own sake as well as yours. While it's a bit old-fashioned in some respects the book When I Say No I Feel Guilty by Manuel J. Smith has some excellent techniques that you may find helpful to put into practise to help you set healthy boundaries with others.
It's not that I'm emotionless, it's that emotions are immensely private and personal and I feel the need to protect/shield them. My boyfriend will tell you that I can be quite gooey and schmoopy and romantic and I think most people who I have some type of relationship with will tell you that I make sure they feel cared for and appreciated, even if it's not through words. INTJs are emotional people, it's just communicated a little unconventionally.
That's very true. Those who are genuinely close to an INTJ will know the INTJ has deep feelings and can be very sentimental and. They may have observed their INTJ partner quietly sobbing watching a movie like, for example, Schindler's List which the typical INTJ will have watched in private rather than having gone to the cinema to see it when it was first released as they really don't want others seeing them upset - they connect being seen crying as making them vulnerable which INTJs want to avoid as much as possible. INTJs tend to express their love and appreciation for others in practical ways, through action more than words or flowery phrases and emojis, so they'll carefully select a gift for someone that they know will be appreciated or, for example, they'll cook a meal for the person they love or work out a way to provide practical help for a loved one going through difficulties.
INTJs are so fucking cute. I live with one and can confirm everything for the specimen I've been given to observe. The 'not being vulnerable' is more of a liability sometimes, which confines to EXTREMELY cute when properly understood.
It's true. As an INTJ, I make my gifts, using the huge backlog of skills I've developed in my introversion. ;) I will take months to make it perfect and tailor it to exactly everything that is unique about the individual receiving it. If it's a really good idea, I'll blow a huge hole in my bank account and work on it for hours each day to bring that idea to fruition. The recipient never, ever forgets it. @@Adara007
In regards to emotions being private, in some ways I get it, and it probably depends on what we're talking about, but I'm an INTJ, and in other ways I feel the opposite. Even my own emotions aren't really personal. They're a bodily function, and I can choose how to feel about things, based on what beliefs I have and ideas I'm entertaining. They're an asset, but they function in the same fundamental way as they do for anyone else, and they don't really say much about me at my core. So, what's the point in even hiding them? They're my feelings, and I can express them if I want. I won't say I have no embarrassment about it, but hiding them is often against my want of people to understand me.
Yes they can be nice and vulnerable yet tell you the truth even if it might ruffle some feathers. They do care even though they can fall into arrogance at times. They will show you the way. They are good at explaining things and helping others❤
Communication difficulties and semantics. Intjs are emotionless robots relative to FE users... but I do agree that they are capable of showing vulnerability, just like any other type??
@@MomandBuggs I would say the arrogance is more how the other might perceive it, it's moreso that they know (or believe they know) things and want to tell you about it. I would say arrogance is something they dislike in others - just like the thirst for status and recognition for it - which makes them less likely to engage in this as well.
Maybe it is just a blind spot that gets twisted sometimes by others. Would you say that Elon Musk can fall into arrogance or others just perceive him as arrogant? He's an INTJ but he might be and INTJ that just happens to be arrogant and not the rule@@dystopiaincognito
My INTJ is the best emotional little robot I ever met. He is everything I ever wanted and yet he can drive my INFP brain and heart crazy. Love him so much. If you don’t have an INTJ in your life, get one (that is, if they let you :D).
Haha! My only long relationship was with an INFP. I do think it's better if the woman is the INFP, still was the best relationship. As an INTJ I was a bit more manly than he was.
He is fortunate to have you. I concluded long ago that INFP is one of the few compatible types for INTJ. I gave up on striving for relationship after my SJ kindred disowned me.
Indeed, I think something that unnerves people about INTJs is that we are not only happy but proud to exist in a social vacuum. While other types take joy, comfort or are even driven to define themselves through their relationships with other people, there are few things more horrifying to an INTJ than relying on others to define ourselves. So that rather leaves us in stilted social situations where other people are talking about their relationships, social connections or even (god forbid) famous people they've met and the INTJ is not reacting how others think we should. And, yes, we take pride in that too, but we're not doing it deliberately. Well, not most of the time.
INFP hears you and relates. Although I tend to be even worst at this and to do it deliberately. May I ask, how does your identity work ? How do you feel about it, how is it built, etc. ?
People tend to get angry when I dismiss their opinion as wrong because they think I've thought about the problem as little as they have. The only thing is I've usually thought much harder about it and I've heard their talking point, know the popular counter talking point and come to a conclusion. They think my attitude is dismissive when in reality I've just already thought about it before. I also hate pretending that something might or might not be correct to assuage their feelings. I'd rather just say the truth and sometimes that taken the wrong way.
You articulated this so well. Especially that it can just as equally be an assumption where other people "ascribe motivations and see implications from what the INTJ has said." I suppose this is also helpful insight for us as INTJ's to realize that we are being assessed by their frame of reference, not ours. This is one of the main points I try to express to feelings/value based decision makers = I also dismiss my own emotions for the sake of what is relevant to the issue at hand. It is not that I think their feelings are unimportant in general, but that, in the same way I put aside my own discomfort in the face of what is logically true, I put theirs aside too. For example, just because both I and they are uncomfortable with a certain change, if that change needs to be made, then it doesn't matter what we feel about it if it needs to be done. I think the assumption that INTJs think they are always right (though, perhaps true of immature/insecure ones), is a misinterpretation of the fact that we have most likely spent time criticizing our own thoughts, grappling with an imaginary devil's advocate, before we arrive at our conclusion. It is often "right" in the sense that we've already filtered out all of our wrong ideas so they are only seeing the final verdict. Plus, I'm willing to throw aside everything I think I know, if you have a better solution because to me, it is not personal. If there is a better way to do something, I'd rather that than hold onto it simply because of an emotional attachment to an idea.
Yep. Probably one of the best way to decide for a plan, if followed by effect. Next aim is to get the communication working, otherwise you end up as a Cassandra. (I'm the saddened companion of some INTJ in that case :') )
@@lc1138 Brilliant point about ending up a Cassandra if you don't communicate how you arrived at the conclusion. Although I find even when explaining I'm often not believed until it happens lol. I understand skeptical doubt and it must be hard to accept something if it doesn't fit with your own frame of reference. I'm sure I do that too!
@@beowulf_of_wall_st Yes this can happen a lot. I like to hear another person's reasoning because if it is better than mine, I can challenge my own assumption. If it seems their reasoning is less astute, I can dismiss it and maintain the conclusion I have. The frustrating thing is when other people don't reciprocate that level of analysis and flexibility.
I am an INTP. If an INTJ shares their vulnerability with you, never betray it. Understand they are giving you something precious that is very hard for them to share. Never take it for granted. Protect it.
as an intj I warn you that if you betray the precious gift an intj gives you as trust, know that INTJs can be very very vengeful depending on how hurt they are
It's really amazing how well you have perceived the INTJs. This is spot on and people get me wrong in this way, and many other ways, very often. All 3 are exactly right. The last one makes me laugh because I cannot socialize without the activity or a specific experience. Chilling with TV on is just about the worst nightmare for me. I rather build a house and you just stand there and hand me some nails.
I feel seen. So many people in my life think I'm being arrogant when I tell them "You are doing that wrong" or "It would be faster if you did it this way..." I'm not trying to put them down I'm trying to help them. As for my lack of emotions, I have tons of them but showing them will make me more prone to being manipulated. The people I have let in are the ones who have hurt me the most, so I keep my feelings to myself. I'm not anti-social as I'm not actively committing crimes (people use the word antisocial wrong) I'm just introverted. I do like to socialize with people who aren't energy vampires. The people I socialize with must be drama-free and be able to take a joke because some people take themselves so seriously that they can't deal with people poking fun at them and talking ISH is my love language.
My husband is an Intj and I frequently need to remind myself that he actually loves me! Especially when he's on a 'Let me explain to you, in detail, why you are incorrect.' I just repeat in my mind the phrase; this is not personal, it's his nature. I think many relationships can be saved when we understand the needs of our partner's personality type. Also, I adore the Intj man! Well, my husband at least! 😅
I’m extremely emotional, I just choose to hide that part from everyone because I would prefer to not be vulnerable. I can accomplish more in the long run by keeping my emotions to myself (hell, most of the time I don’t even know what those emotions are).
INFP here, relating :') Although I hope you still get somehow driven by your emotions in the long run. They are a parameter to consider if one wants to be working well long-term. Emotions are part of your judgement tools. However uneasy to read they might be, they are an information like others : one more long-term, broad direction than the thinking, and one who can make shit of your body and mind if ignored too much, too long. I'd say emotions are here to tell you : "accomplish, yes, but accomplish what, and why ?" Anyway I hope you are doing well and I wish you the best.
As an Istp I think we are very similar to INTJs in a weird way. Almost like we have different starting points, have different internal processes, ways of doing things but still ending up in the same position in the end.
True. We may share traits that kids these days call "Sigma". INTJs are a bit more on the dorkykid/dark side than ISTPs who are more on the coolkid/impulsive side. But outwardly, more similar than most other types.
@@KP-w As an INTJ I have an appreciation for ESTPs who can definitely power through any problem in life. I will be taking some of their traits for myself. They're highly effective, and I personally believe that a hybrid of ESTP and INTJ would make through any imaginable situation. I was going to get mad at you for saying that someone's better than us, especially if that's an ENTJ. But ESTPs definitely are alphas. I'll be destroying ENTJs whoever stand in my way and I'll be doing that by learning a few things from ESTPs
I never understood the "have the next 20 years of taking over the world completely planned out and diagrammed." A) I have NO desire to take over the world; and B) while I love a good plan, and like to figure out as much as possible for a given project ahead of time, sometimes there's too much minutiae to take into consideration and you really just have to "wing it" (if you want to get it done, anyway). I guess that's where the "intuition" comes in. Haha! I've said "I'm not antisocial, I'm asocial" for as long as I can remember! *Get well soon!*
I am a 50yr old intj male. I often laugh at the younger me, being the only one able to see it for what it is, despite righteously letting everyone know, in a polite way, that they are wrong. Back to my quiet time to recharge & wonder what went wrong & why no one actually listens to me. I only really had one or two friends at a time, & at times it felt like they had been paid to give me company, just to keep an eye on me. Completely misunderstood. It hurts so much when one of those close friends, who you let in... hurts you. Your emphatic side is often the reason why though, they used you. We can sometimes go as far as being a narc's gift shop. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger right... I reached most of my dreams & with a twist, none of them arrived packaged, as i expected. & i spent all that time making plan B's for my plan B's...ha An INTJ has the potential to grow into a Sigma. Through development of putting action to your well planned goals, you are already most of the way there. Your younger years of discovering who you are & where you fit in, a very solo, often painful journey in all respects, does lead you to come out on top. But first get out of your head & do it. Get conscientious about it. Trust me, nothing hurts more than regret, especially so when you axtually had it all planned out. Your intuitive thinking endlessly searches for groundshaking ideas, never doubt yourself... the idea is better than most already, you have passed it through the *fire. Go n be awesome fellow INTJ, the world really is yours & yes, you were born 20yrs too late, which really sucks but you'll get over it lol
It is really spot on. But I would add to #4, because I have the problem of getting not enough social interaction. That doesn't mean meaningless blahblah, but a deep conversation, mutual interests and opening up and revealing your thoughts and details of your life, which is extremely hard to come by nowadays. But there is a limit on how much interaction an INTJ can support. It might be less than for other types, but they are still humans and in need of it.
Agreed. Just, if I may, it might not be a nowadays problem. Yeah, never so much discussions just scratched the surface, but never had we this ability to get in reach of people anywhere. I guess our chances of deep bound have just been sprayed. I agree that physical interaction helps a lot tho, and the loss of it is a disaster.
It's not like we are making our desicions based on emotions, we listen to our body and make sure include them in calculations. I'm not sure how for other INFJs, but for me ignoring this aspect ended badly. I think we are just wired like this, we cannot ignore our physique
In terms of emotions INTJs have deep and intense feelings yet like to keep these private as they really don't want to be seen as nor be vulnerable. Those who are very close to an INTJ will know how sentimental and emotional their INTJ partner or family member can be but that side of an INTJ is rarely seen by anyone they're not extremely close to.
People can manipulate and hurt you through your emotions. That's why only those you absolutely trust ever get to see them if you can help it. I get it being there myself. Learning iron control doesn't make the emotions go away though, and you learn how to act on them in little ways without revealing them.
Leaving the public aside and examining the type community, I encounter two errors from other types characterising us. Firstly, people usually over emphasise our Te. It may be something people encounter a lot at work, but it's something we absolutely need to rest. Our Ni, Fi, and Se are our place of comfort and our natural state of being, especially when we're tired. Te is for grown-up work. It is a tool for dealing with the outside world. Te is like a gear in an old gearbox that can be very difficult to engage, but once it's locked in, we're good to go and keep going for quite a while. Te is our "action mode", and we're very different people when we're not in it. The other mistake is that people mistake our Ni "planning" for the kind that Si users do. We're not into lists and itineraries, or the "safety first" preparedness of someone like an IS-J. Rather, our heads are naturally wired to future project just about everything. For instance, instead of preparing a list and a bunch of objects to bring to a certain kind of event based on past experience, our minds play out a kind of simulation of the event, and so we bring different objects based on the simulation, or wear different clothes, etc.
Ye. That's why I end up bothering my INTJ each time we go out under any harsh climate. I'm not fond of having to lend kleenexes because of excessive use of style armour.
"It may be something people encounter a lot at work, but it's something we absolutely need to rest. Our Ni, Fi, and Se are our place of comfort" this absolutely! The Te being "auxiliary" is a very good title: it's here to serve the other functions and help us attain what we care for through our Ni-Fi-Se. I completely agree with your comment, your description of Te use, and the Ni vs Si planning type... my "planning type" is extremely global and intuitive, and for most of my life, before knowing cognitive functions, I didn't even really knew it was there. It just feels really natural and not really like cognitive effort? In complete contrast with my ISTJ dad and his set of detailed lists that I could never understand and took ages to go through!
@@omeirai124Yes, it's like our head has a highway off-ramp to future project and most lanes lead in its direction. We don't have to think about what something is going to be like, it just keeps getting thrust upon us -- getting stuck in endless looping simulations sometimes on those bad nights when your head won't shut up. ;-)
@@johnknight9150 My overcautious Si clashing with their Se, when it's rainy and I'm the only one with something waterproof, for instance. It's become more of a joke between us :')
Yes on point #4. If you want to hang with me, let's go do something we both enjoy or get to know me while doing something with me. I've always been an activity/hobby oriented person; it's how I prefer learning and doing things, having fun. I like it when that enjoyment is a bridge to getting to know others who are also having fun with the same thing. It removes the strain of having to try to small talk. And if you don't want to bother with that, then aside from a very few select people, I would prefer to be alone in my own thoughts.
I find it kind of strange that, as a (probably) higher Fe user, I end up appreciating more MBTI types with lower Fe function (with exceptions). I somehow find it more genuine. In this video, I especially appreciate point 2. that INTJs have deep emotions but choose (have a strenght) not to base decisions on them.. that speaks a lot about them.
Yes. I feel emotions very deeply, and sometimes even hate myself for the decisions I will end up making, but logically can't choose any other way. Those choices make me feel horrible, but looking down the road and seeing the consequences of choosing any other way ... I can't go with any emotional satisfaction of choosing "easier"; it would just be too bad in the end.
1. True. If I’m being direct or challenging with my opinion it’s a sign of respect. I value your input enough that I want to sharpen my views against it. Or if I give a criticism it’s because I want to help. 2. Not quite accurate. Fi does determine my actions because it determines my goals and my morals. It just doesn’t feel like it to people because long term vision comes into it and Te is working the day to day problems on the way to Fi goals and morals. If something feels wrong to me I’m not doing it, pragmatics be damned. 3. Spot on. 4. To me socialising feels great when it’s all about interesting conversation. Doing activities just feels like an obstacle to that goal. I’ve noticed lots of other types are the other way around, and consider someone a friend just because they’ve done things together a few times lol.
4) I guess activities might be a way to communicate other than with words and concepts. Take any game or fight, or cooking, or hiking and sharing the experience of a hard path and beautiful view. I agree there are some ways of interacting that are simply out of my spectrum and I won't bother try to understand them as I just feel bad doing it. Tho I feel like my INTJ companion has a spectrum much intense and thinner than mine. Laser eyes. :')
Do you like doing a certain activity together maybe like suppose playing chess or a sport watching anime together or going out to eat Street food obviously having conversations too at the same time.
@@lc1138 For 4 I'm somewhere in between. I don't do socialization just for the sake of it but it can be paired with a hobby (or a goal works too). Hobby is my main focus and socialization is cherry on top.
INTJ's ego gets checked from society more than anyone else , the society will just not accept INTJ without them exerting immense energy either to develop themselves and be more empathetic or to achieve great things , they just can't live in peace like so many others 😂
INTJs are the most interesting fictional characters in real life. We just need to figure them correctly and that is a hassle. (It's meant as a compliment)
Totally true.. That's why the most draining thing I ever think is "how do I join the society and appear in social engagement for the sake of growing up and being an adult" I feel like I'm the only one who struggle just to keep living and growing in this real world's society.. They'll totally gonna hate me for just being myself, so I kinda hate some people preaching about "be yourself" Like "stfu I'm just trying to keep living right here and still barely breathing" 😂 Being female intj is literally both blessing and curse
@@iwa2028 my heart lies with you , But I would say it could be a blessing , for human's ego is the source of all of the troubles in this world and having good reason to be mindful of it can open he world to you, also INTJ's ego is probably the most deadly , they can literally be evil geniuses :))
I love socializing-with people who know a lot about my areas of interest so we can feed of each other’s enthusiasm. I like the distinction of solving problems so they don’t come back, but I’ve also been planning how best to enjoy my 90s since I was 7, so long range goals are not a misconception like my attitude. Speaking of which, I’m more likely to be shocked by what people assume about my motives and attitudes than anything else in social settings. Being demeaning of a person is so far from my mind I can’t imagine it. But who wouldn’t want to have clearer, better ideas and perspectives?
I must state that it is highly comforting to follow discussions in a place where several INTJs gather (like, let's say, the comments section of this video). They tend to expose elaborate reasonings on some subject they have already apprehended in a global way, and they do so very concisely. All the while being respectful and attentive about other people's way of thinking, and staying prone to reconsiderate their own thinking. The aim, as I see it, is more to approach some form of truth than to be right or win a case or simply expose a feeling. This is the closest to what theoretical discussions should be, anywhere, in my Fi-dom opinion. :') So thank you for existing, kind INTJs.
As an INTJ (in my Fi-sub opinion lol), regardless of your type, the aim (if there is one) is essentially, without exception, to be right/win in whichever sense, given the context. Now, that's a given. You can't help but see the world in shades ranging from "I see this as somewhat of a win" to "I see this as an absolute win". That's inescapable. Discussions, in their own element, certainly approach some form of truth, but people can't, never do, perhaps never will.
@@lc1138 Yes, if we're speaking collectively, we have science, in terms of the objective, which is our best bet at getting there. But if we're speaking individually, it's quite pointless, because all things inevitably will descend into the complexities of politics, ranging from toddler politics to mutually assured destruction, and the truth is simply a matter of (weighted) opinion.
I've heard 1 & 2 before and agree with your assessment. I hadn't realized people didn't know 3 & 4 though. And you're absolutely correct. 3) What would be the point of, to use your example, fixing hiring practices for just 1 group? If something is wrong with hiring for one position, then most likely something is going wrong hiring for all positions, and the problems are simply less visible (for now). And that is going to lead to horrible systemic problems throughout the whole business. Better to start looking at the whole system to see what issues are pervasive. After you've made sure the basic system is sound, you can drill down into each category for any specific issues if, for some reason, you have different skill checks for each category. Or you might find out that it's just one interviewer who works specifically with a certain category, in which case someone is getting retrained or fired. But yeah, if you don't fix the systemic problems, it's like putting a band-aid over a leaking faucet. It will hold for the immediate use, but if you need it to work for longer than once or twice, you'd better repair it properly. 4) With socializing over an activity or a shared project, it's more efficient, yes, but it's also more honest? I don't have to pretend to be something I'm not to entertain you. I don't have to think up questions to ask you or feign interest in your family or your jokes or your stories. Getting to know someone by doing something with them is more natural. They're less likely to pretend to be someone they're not or trying to impress you with random unrelated things because they don't actually know what would be of interest to you. You have a prop. The prop is of interest. Speak about the prop, and if you happen to go off on a tangent fro that prop, that's fine. Conversations naturally turn like that, and can always be reoriented on the prop/activity if you get too far afield. This is likely why we get on so well with INTPs and INFPs when put together. We don't mind if they're socially awkward. Social awkwardness or anxiety is honest. And if they get too tongue tied, we'll just reorient on the topic and generally ignore their discomfort rather than pressing them on it.
INTJs may come across as 'arrogant' to those who don't know them yet they have invariably put serious time into in-depth research any topic they are talking about which is why they come across as authoritative. However they are willing to debate with others and, importantly, to change their beliefs and opinions if they find and/or are presented with other evidence.
1. is attributable to Ti critic (6th slot) which tends to elect themselves the smartest person in the room unless demonstrated otherwise. 2. is a direct result of Fe trickster (7th slot), but Fi child is optimistic, just not as outward facing (because it's introverted) but is higher in the stack and used more often than INTP. If Te is a pass/fail inductive reasoning, then Fi are the values that determines where the line of pass/fail lies. 3. is Ni combined with Te which often results in shortcutting. Shortcutting can even result in being satisfied with imagining success and being satisfied with the imagination and not actually obtaining success. Ultimately, INTJ are progression focused and see goals as merely steppingstones to the next project in their longer-term plans that are merely plans upon plans, like an onion. 4. They have to want to be social, but Fe blindness makes that difficult. Their Se inferior craves attention. It's a dichotomy that leads to a sort of push-pull relationship with socializing, an endless hunger for the attention and reverence of others, while feeling that managing relationships are a hindrance to what they would rather be doing.
Oh, and, Nathan, I never gave my piano teacher issues about the order of pieces. I assumed she had already thought through how to get me ahead the fastest. I didn’t even protest the constant Bach practice because I could see how mathematically and technically challenging it was even if less flowery than my favorite Romantic era pieces. I never could take gold in the competitions though, because I was always too nervous to add that last layer of emotion when performing
It's not as much that I don't ever take decisions based on my emotions, rather, at least as an adult, I take my emotions and reactions into account, but there's a general grasp of the situation overseeing it (and coming above logic as well! It's not really logic > emotions entirely). There's a time and place to be ruthless and cut corners, but what will you accomplish by being a stone cold robot in every domain of your entire life? I'm also ok with being sincere and vulnerable about my emotions with people I'm close with, and I deeply value communication and honesty about how each person is feeling. Also tbh I'm not much of a debater, unless the situation calls for it and there's an issue to solve. Most of the time I don't feel it's worth it and just want to be left to do my own thing. It's literally not my job to change people's minds about trivial matters, especially if they're stubborn or I feel like they won't understand my point. ...Man, this all sounds a bit edgy to read, it's embarrassing... :^)
Love your comment. I could sense your open and humble approach. I hope you feel encouraged to keep sharing parts of yourself with the world. And in case you wonder if other people think the way you do, the answer is yes. Also, this was not edgy or embarrassing. No need to worry about it. You are awesome. 😊
Oh, I agree emotions in decisions have their place, but not at the expense of the best outcome, and that's where logic comes in and ranks higher. If the best long-term decision isn't the one that makes you feel happiest in the moment, then the best long-term outcomes is still the one that will probably win, especially if the long-term results of the emotional short-term high are worse long-term. In such a scenario, I will sacrifice short-term happiness almost every time.
@@angelaharris53 And then you have to define "the best outcome". :) Indeed emotions can be unreliable and volatile (INFP talking here). However, they still represent a signal. A signal that can be worth analyzing, to at least know why you feel that way, and then if it is relevant/reasonable/important in the long run. I'd say, logic needs data to work with. Emotion is data too. Your appreciation of this emotion's relevance is data too. So, more data for logic to grind. However, I feel like the OP was talking more about some sort of global vision, than about logic. So, Ni. (The captain of the INTJ, Te being its quartermaster, Fi its surgeon, and Se its merry cadet stumbling on the deck and looking for parties and rhum.) That circles back to your "what's best in the long term", and I'm still interested in knowing how you define it, and how you came to define it that way.
3rd is very true. I need a very general way of solving a type of problem. A type of general flow chart, or an algorithm. That's the basic focal point and it covers every small variation of that specific type of problem.
The third point hits very true. I've seen other types trying to solve a problem by going into the details but end up patching the problem up and not solving it. Good example if someone has a car to go from A to B and there are several problems. S types often think about the car itself, ''maybe I just need a bigger gas tank, or a navigation system'''. While INTJ's are more likely to wonder if a car is suitable in the first place or even before that and try not having to go from A to B in the first place, avoiding the problem altogether. Downside is that this way is often way more involved...
Emotional Robot! That's me alright. I've always loved robots for as long as I can remember. All of my favorite science fiction books, movies and TV shows have had robots in them. I Robot, Ozma of Oz, The Jetsons, Astro Boy, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Black Hole, Fantastic Four, Inspector Gadget, The Iron Giant, GoBots, Transformers, MASK, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, etc. My first favorite movie was Star Wars and my most favorite characters were not the humans or aliens, but the robots or 'droids' especially C3PO and R2D2. My favorite character in Star Trek is Data from the Next Generation series. Another favorite robot is Marvin from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. All of these robots seem capable of mimicking emotions. At times, it is even suggested that they might come as close as any machine can to having genuine emotions. But what I really admired about them was their ability to control their emotions at will and do what was necessary even when a human or alien would be incapacitated or at least too strongly influenced by emotions to do the needed tasks well. All of them could ignore or turn off their emotions and focus strictly on logic when needed. When most of the other kids I knew wanted to be star athletes, famous actors, firemen, etc. I wanted to be a robot or an alien who could control his emotions and be logical like a Vulcan. When adults asked what career I wanted, I'd say that I wanted to be a scientist at a research lab. That's how I've always felt: that I can come about as close as any human can to turning off my emotions to focus on what needs to be done. I also usually make decisions based upon what will help me achieve my goals or complete a task well. Repetitive, monotonous tasks don't bother me if I know that they are necessary to achieve something worthwhile, even if that isn't achieved right away. When it comes to expressing emotions out loud, I never really know what to say, so most of the time, I don't say anything. I just listen and observe. I try to copy what other people do to express their emotions in helpful ways, but it always seems like I have to think it through first and try to come up with the correct response. It's like I'm trying to play a human rather than having a natural, spontaneous reaction to things. This probably comes from not only being an INTJ but also being autistic. I feel emotions deeply, but I do not instinctively know how to express them. Most of the time, I avoid expressing them rather than go through the difficulty of trying to figure out the correct way to show them. As you can maybe tell from my comments here and elsewhere on social media, I prefer to express my ideas and emotions through text rather than voice or body language. Text is superior because it is easily controllable. I consciously decide which words to use, often weighing multiple options for a bit before committing to one of them. In text based social media, I usually have all the time I need to make these decisions at my leisure without feeling pressured to respond quickly. I also have time to edit my comments for spelling, punctuation, syntax, etc. so that it conveys the intended meaning as best as I am able to determine. How many times have you wished that you could take back some silly or potentially unhelpful thing that you have said out loud? I know that I have many times. With text, I can check for such things and correct them before I hit 'send'. I also have time to research my responses in books and online to make certain that I am remembering things correctly. This usually isn't possible in a face-to-face conversation. Face-to-face conversation is a stressful, frustrating experience while most social media interactions are more like one of my favorite pastimes: turn-based strategic role-playing computer games. I would much rather play Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, for example, than to have a face-to-face, or even phone or video chat with someone: even a close friend or dear relative. Social media is a bit like these games only there isn't as much monster slaying or puzzle solving. The closest to merging the two together that I have tried is playing a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, or MMORPG, such as Dungeons and Dragons Online or World of Warcraft. Sometimes, I play those games and get into interesting conversations with players who are questing with me. Most of the time, I focus on achieving the goals of the quest, but now and then, I meet someone who has something interesting to say about a favorite subject and we start chatting away via text through our characters while there aren't any monsters around to attack us. Now, that's an enjoyable way to socialize for me.
Hope you get well in time for the Holidays. Otherwise, they might do you in. I always love INTJ videos. I want to defend them for some reason, so they can simply live their lives in their inimitable INTJ way. (from an IINFP, of course).
@@johnknight9150 Agreed from experience. :) INFP here too, enjoying sharing minds and hearts with an INTJ. Best thing ever apart for the social isolation and not-doing-things we are lovingly spiraling into.
Every point is a little true, with the exception of the 3rd point, which is extremely true. I have never seen any other type concretely plan for such long-term sustainability. Sometimes, I feel like they view time as an indefinite resource as well as invaluable, simultaneously - which is very weird.
@@lc1138 My hypothesis is that source of other types notions about INTJ is lack of positive verbal and especially non-verbal ques. In a (hyperbolic) sense it might be similar to when feeler is frustrated by a computer he/she does not understand well enough and lack of "human feedback" makes them ascribe malice to a tool that cannot even harbor any. The blank, contemplative face may seem like scheming to some. INTP on the other had looks beyond surface appearances. It's even one of popular description of INTP attitude that when normal people look robotic teddy bear, they see the fluff primarily while INTP is fascinated rather by what lies behind the fluff. So INTP interprets and judges people primarily of their actions and thoughts rather than surface level acting and cutesy gestures. And can often see the positive intent in direct direct criticism and "tough love". By that I do not try ascribe iNTP some special ability to read people much better than others, its rather that I think we are able to read those parts that are related thinking, action and their logical consistency with hypothetical goals. BTW I am INTP with INTJ brother.
@@jansvoboda4293 I misunderstood your comment for 'their are types that don't get misunderstood bc they are their own advocates', my apologies ! Yep. I guess it's a trait most types gain when maturing, experience being made and integrated.
@@lc1138 Maybe it's my error as I did not realize it could be interpreted as other than direct reaction to the title, 'their' meaning INTJ's and did not remove the ambiguity.
Thanks for your content. Could you make an episode on the great INTJ’s in history, and what you think the 5 most suitable skillsets INTJ’s should learn which align with their innate strengths I.e programming, childcare, public speaking (whatever they may be). Sincerely, an INTJ that is aware he is a strong strategist and creative, but is unsure how to apply these things or which skills he would be best mastering
The only socializing I enjoy is that which is totally focused on engaging in an activity that I like, eg, singing in a choir. I loathe the before and after rehearsal periods, because those lack this purpose. Cocktail parties are my idea of hell.
I actually derived more information from the comment section then the video itself. Everyone made a basic statement and Then followed that statement with a description of how this statement was justified. Exactly how I would do it. So basically we have proven what we are.
As an INTJ i look forward to making connections with other people , talk, and laugh with them but we only do so with a couple people who we know will be right for us.
INTJ here, I am one of those who are an antithesis to the cold and unemotional stereotype. I am friendly and social to an extent, but it's just that I prefer to use logic when helping others or making decisions rather than taking note of other people's feelings because that is what makes me feel good. Reading other people's emotions have always been hard for me which can lead to unfavorable consequences, especially with my brand of humor. Although, I do get better at reading someone the closer I get to them as is the case with family and a few close friends. Sometimes, I could even cry out of empathy (not so stereotypical INTJ-like behavior).
This is a great question. I could be wrong, but it seems that ISTJ's are more likely to take a more timeline-linear, history of cause/effect approach to solve the problem whereas an INTJ is more likely to focus on abstract questions such as "what is the meaning behind this" and draw from a less linear thought-bubble style of collecting information. The INTJ could get too caught up in abstract principles and the ISTJ could get too caught up in sequential data. So for example, the ISTJ might start by tracing back over the timeline of the hiring process and see if they can spot the point at which the hiring process becomes flawed and then try to find a way to fix it. The INTJ might start by asking "what is the goal/meaning of the hiring process...what are you trying to achieve as the end result?" and then evaluate how effective the current system of the hiring process is, compared to a system that would more easily reach that ultimate goal.
I'm very affectionate with my boyfriend, my sister, and my close friends, but I'm a ruthless "logical machine" with the rest of the world. My emotions don't guide my decision making: I'm constantly aware of all my mental processes, and I can steer them wherever I want, if needed, so that no cognitive bias gets in the way. When people realize that, at times they perceive me as "fearsome", 'cause I can't bring myself to care about what others think of me: I just keep going wherever I'm headed to, and I do it with a seraphic smile on my face. I'm very relaxed, "zen", and cheerful by nature, so I'm usually perceived by strangers and colleagues as a nice and approchable person; this can even trick people into thinking that I'm "easier" than I actually am, and be shocked when they read on my face that "Yes, I'm smiling. Yes, I'm polite. Yes, I do my best to help you, if you deserve it. But no, I won't budge, EVER, nor beg for your attention. Now be as corteous as I'm being, and get out of my way, thanks". ☺
@@KP-w laughs, I can understand too, and there are downsides... the heavy Ne + Fi can be exhausting and feel suffocating and way too subjective at times, like any argument against their view will be pointless. Obviously it depends on the person and their maturity too
When I first got into mbti I was confused whether I was an intp, info or intj, later I just concluded that I must be an intp since some things just pointed that way, but after a year or so of getting out of mbti and then suddenly watching this video (youtube recommendations doing it's thing) I feel like I've become more like this during this whole year, the me from a year ago probably wouldn't relate to most of these but the current me certainly do. It's a wierd feeling, have I become more of an intj during this time?...
Young INTJs who lack confidence, don't entirely understand themselves yet and haven't found something that drives them, often mistype as INTP somehow! I think part of it is the false P vs J dichotomy lots of tests seem to have, that overlooks how cognitive functions work, and also not having anything they seriously want to apply their Te aux to can make INTJs a lot more relaxed and go with the flow? A more depressive and discouraged state can also get you in Se grip mode, which makes you want to seek instant gratification as distraction from what stresses you out
I know as an INTJ if I think someone is being fake or doesn't actually care what I'm saying (especially after asking me a question), I'll close up and probably come across as cold, intimidating and unnervingly silent.
I really HAVE earned my arrogance, though. Just sayin'. And I'm done with people who tell me they can't put my idea into practice because the incompetent bood who came up with the incompetent system already in place will get their feelz hurt.
For me as an INTJ, yes in the sense that everything can always be improved upon, but no in the sense that it is not always efficient/necessary to improve everything lol. There has to be a good enough need to change something, and INTJ's like to know just enough about something to practically use it, but don't feel the need to overly-strategize for the sake of taking something to it's ultimate end unless that ultimate end is something that would be useful for humanity.
People who identify with the INTJ personality type may or may not care about a partner's bodycount. Like with every personality type, the INTJ label can be applied to a diverse set of individuals, with many different tastes and opinions. If you want to know if an INTJ cares about a partner's bodycount, just ask them.
All I can really say is that I do. More than 0 is a no from me. I think most people care more than they would usually admit, but I love the truth, so I'll just say what I actually think.
The way that question is framed is amusing. No. I certainly don't give a f about their bodycount in the past. I do, however, look for a certain class of red flags, and that's enough of a filter.
Immature INTJs* can definitely be arrogant, dismissive and rigid. Some research on the 16-personalities site shows INTJs are among the happiest of all types to be most Machiavellian and to put their own needs first. But so can some feelers (speaking as an infj), esp when immature! 🤣
One thing that could be elaborated further: we'd LOVE to be the evil mastermind who is always 1000 steps ahead and has planned for every contingency, but that's not how this world works. Even the smartest man on earth has neither the time nor capacity to do so! I guess that most INTJs have hit a wall somewhere because they wanted to achieve something but things just never go as intended and then realised that it's a waste of time and energy trying to plan everything to the last detail. Don't get me wrong, we still prefer an environment where we can plan things for the long term, but we can't allow ourselves to burn out...
This brings up other paradoxes about the MBTI: Which introvert is most likely to end up in leadership roles? Which of the thinkers is the most empathic? I think that you'd see the limitations of the model the fastest when trying to type neuroatypical persons such as aut!st!c people and psychopaths. The latter acts extroverted but can survive isolation better than anyone else. Some ASD cases are extroverted, but deplete their energy way too fast and don't know how to interact with others despite wanting to... Plus, they can appear both like INTJ and ISTJ depending on the context...
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3 is spot on. If I solve a problem, I want to solve a problem and never have that problem again. I don't want to have to keep solving it.
INTJ's greatest gift is their impersonal objectivity; never expecting from others what they cannot expect from themselves.
Amen
Nathan, you’re an INTJ whisperer.
As an INTJ people perceive me as sweet, quiet, smart or some combination of the three. I am not unemotional or cold I just prefer to use logic to solve my problems. I’m not antisocial either. I’m either in the mood to socialize or I’m not. Like a cat, if I want to spend time with people I will seek people out and if I don’t then I’ll go off and do my own thing. Anyways great video, I really enjoyed it.
The problem comes when people think I'm only sweet, they get a bit of a shock when they try to push me around 😊
This is just me
@@kingyo8969 Exactly right. It's important to set boundaries early on in relationships as INTJs are not inclined to be bossed around and rebel when someone tries to dominate them.
@@Adara007 I'm living with an INTJ who has just this problem : the habit of being used as a psychologist with no attention in return. Might have a lot to do with how their parents educated them tho.
@@lc1138 The INTJ is using you as their unpaid personal therapist? That's not typical of INTJs who are usually not inclined to tell any friend or loved one too much about their emotions and any problems. It's not a trait that you'll find with most INTJs unless they're pathologically narcissistic. In terms of the one you're living with it's important that they seek a professional for their own sake as well as yours. While it's a bit old-fashioned in some respects the book When I Say No I Feel Guilty by Manuel J. Smith has some excellent techniques that you may find helpful to put into practise to help you set healthy boundaries with others.
It's not that I'm emotionless, it's that emotions are immensely private and personal and I feel the need to protect/shield them. My boyfriend will tell you that I can be quite gooey and schmoopy and romantic and I think most people who I have some type of relationship with will tell you that I make sure they feel cared for and appreciated, even if it's not through words. INTJs are emotional people, it's just communicated a little unconventionally.
That's very true. Those who are genuinely close to an INTJ will know the INTJ has deep feelings and can be very sentimental and. They may have observed their INTJ partner quietly sobbing watching a movie like, for example, Schindler's List which the typical INTJ will have watched in private rather than having gone to the cinema to see it when it was first released as they really don't want others seeing them upset - they connect being seen crying as making them vulnerable which INTJs want to avoid as much as possible.
INTJs tend to express their love and appreciation for others in practical ways, through action more than words or flowery phrases and emojis, so they'll carefully select a gift for someone that they know will be appreciated or, for example, they'll cook a meal for the person they love or work out a way to provide practical help for a loved one going through difficulties.
INTJs are so fucking cute.
I live with one and can confirm everything for the specimen I've been given to observe. The 'not being vulnerable' is more of a liability sometimes, which confines to EXTREMELY cute when properly understood.
Being vulnerable is hard 😢
It's true. As an INTJ, I make my gifts, using the huge backlog of skills I've developed in my introversion. ;) I will take months to make it perfect and tailor it to exactly everything that is unique about the individual receiving it. If it's a really good idea, I'll blow a huge hole in my bank account and work on it for hours each day to bring that idea to fruition. The recipient never, ever forgets it. @@Adara007
In regards to emotions being private, in some ways I get it, and it probably depends on what we're talking about, but I'm an INTJ, and in other ways I feel the opposite. Even my own emotions aren't really personal. They're a bodily function, and I can choose how to feel about things, based on what beliefs I have and ideas I'm entertaining. They're an asset, but they function in the same fundamental way as they do for anyone else, and they don't really say much about me at my core. So, what's the point in even hiding them? They're my feelings, and I can express them if I want. I won't say I have no embarrassment about it, but hiding them is often against my want of people to understand me.
Agreed, INTJs are not emotionless robots, and they are capable of showing vulnerability, contrary to what pop culture would have you believe.
Yes they can be nice and vulnerable yet tell you the truth even if it might ruffle some feathers. They do care even though they can fall into arrogance at times. They will show you the way. They are good at explaining things and helping others❤
Communication difficulties and semantics. Intjs are emotionless robots relative to FE users... but I do agree that they are capable of showing vulnerability, just like any other type??
Being emotional isn't necessarily a good thing all the time. Are you and ENFJ?@@serban2139
@@MomandBuggs I would say the arrogance is more how the other might perceive it, it's moreso that they know (or believe they know) things and want to tell you about it. I would say arrogance is something they dislike in others - just like the thirst for status and recognition for it - which makes them less likely to engage in this as well.
Maybe it is just a blind spot that gets twisted sometimes by others. Would you say that Elon Musk can fall into arrogance or others just perceive him as arrogant? He's an INTJ but he might be and INTJ that just happens to be arrogant and not the rule@@dystopiaincognito
My INTJ is the best emotional little robot I ever met. He is everything I ever wanted and yet he can drive my INFP brain and heart crazy. Love him so much. If you don’t have an INTJ in your life, get one (that is, if they let you :D).
I relate :3
Same here, folk. Enjoy.
Haha! My only long relationship was with an INFP. I do think it's better if the woman is the INFP, still was the best relationship. As an INTJ I was a bit more manly than he was.
He is fortunate to have you. I concluded long ago that INFP is one of the few compatible types for INTJ. I gave up on striving for relationship after my SJ kindred disowned me.
Indeed, I think something that unnerves people about INTJs is that we are not only happy but proud to exist in a social vacuum. While other types take joy, comfort or are even driven to define themselves through their relationships with other people, there are few things more horrifying to an INTJ than relying on others to define ourselves. So that rather leaves us in stilted social situations where other people are talking about their relationships, social connections or even (god forbid) famous people they've met and the INTJ is not reacting how others think we should. And, yes, we take pride in that too, but we're not doing it deliberately. Well, not most of the time.
INFP hears you and relates.
Although I tend to be even worst at this and to do it deliberately.
May I ask, how does your identity work ? How do you feel about it, how is it built, etc. ?
People tend to get angry when I dismiss their opinion as wrong because they think I've thought about the problem as little as they have. The only thing is I've usually thought much harder about it and I've heard their talking point, know the popular counter talking point and come to a conclusion. They think my attitude is dismissive when in reality I've just already thought about it before.
I also hate pretending that something might or might not be correct to assuage their feelings. I'd rather just say the truth and sometimes that taken the wrong way.
Do you get angry when people dismiss your opinion as naive because you think you've thought about the problem through, but you haven't?
You articulated this so well. Especially that it can just as equally be an assumption where other people "ascribe motivations and see implications from what the INTJ has said." I suppose this is also helpful insight for us as INTJ's to realize that we are being assessed by their frame of reference, not ours.
This is one of the main points I try to express to feelings/value based decision makers = I also dismiss my own emotions for the sake of what is relevant to the issue at hand. It is not that I think their feelings are unimportant in general, but that, in the same way I put aside my own discomfort in the face of what is logically true, I put theirs aside too. For example, just because both I and they are uncomfortable with a certain change, if that change needs to be made, then it doesn't matter what we feel about it if it needs to be done.
I think the assumption that INTJs think they are always right (though, perhaps true of immature/insecure ones), is a misinterpretation of the fact that we have most likely spent time criticizing our own thoughts, grappling with an imaginary devil's advocate, before we arrive at our conclusion. It is often "right" in the sense that we've already filtered out all of our wrong ideas so they are only seeing the final verdict. Plus, I'm willing to throw aside everything I think I know, if you have a better solution because to me, it is not personal. If there is a better way to do something, I'd rather that than hold onto it simply because of an emotional attachment to an idea.
Yep. Probably one of the best way to decide for a plan, if followed by effect.
Next aim is to get the communication working, otherwise you end up as a Cassandra.
(I'm the saddened companion of some INTJ in that case :') )
@@lc1138 Brilliant point about ending up a Cassandra if you don't communicate how you arrived at the conclusion. Although I find even when explaining I'm often not believed until it happens lol. I understand skeptical doubt and it must be hard to accept something if it doesn't fit with your own frame of reference. I'm sure I do that too!
@@beowulf_of_wall_st Yes this can happen a lot. I like to hear another person's reasoning because if it is better than mine, I can challenge my own assumption. If it seems their reasoning is less astute, I can dismiss it and maintain the conclusion I have. The frustrating thing is when other people don't reciprocate that level of analysis and flexibility.
I am an INTP. If an INTJ shares their vulnerability with you, never betray it. Understand they are giving you something precious that is very hard for them to share. Never take it for granted. Protect it.
Intp fucked me up...since then I became intp racist
as an intj I warn you that if you betray the precious gift an intj gives you as trust, know that INTJs can be very very vengeful depending on how hurt they are
It's really amazing how well you have perceived the INTJs. This is spot on and people get me wrong in this way, and many other ways, very often. All 3 are exactly right. The last one makes me laugh because I cannot socialize without the activity or a specific experience. Chilling with TV on is just about the worst nightmare for me. I rather build a house and you just stand there and hand me some nails.
I feel seen. So many people in my life think I'm being arrogant when I tell them "You are doing that wrong" or "It would be faster if you did it this way..." I'm not trying to put them down I'm trying to help them. As for my lack of emotions, I have tons of them but showing them will make me more prone to being manipulated. The people I have let in are the ones who have hurt me the most, so I keep my feelings to myself. I'm not anti-social as I'm not actively committing crimes (people use the word antisocial wrong) I'm just introverted. I do like to socialize with people who aren't energy vampires. The people I socialize with must be drama-free and be able to take a joke because some people take themselves so seriously that they can't deal with people poking fun at them and talking ISH is my love language.
I couldn’t agree more! And yes, we are deeply emotional but we don’t use emotion to make decisions. Also, efficiency is the key!
My husband is an Intj and I frequently need to remind myself that he actually loves me! Especially when he's on a 'Let me explain to you, in detail, why you are incorrect.' I just repeat in my mind the phrase; this is not personal, it's his nature.
I think many relationships can be saved when we understand the needs of our partner's personality type.
Also, I adore the Intj man! Well, my husband at least! 😅
Swear to God, listening to this vid was such a grace that it helped me solved several long standing problems inside of 3 minutes.
I’m extremely emotional, I just choose to hide that part from everyone because I would prefer to not be vulnerable. I can accomplish more in the long run by keeping my emotions to myself (hell, most of the time I don’t even know what those emotions are).
INFP here, relating :')
Although I hope you still get somehow driven by your emotions in the long run.
They are a parameter to consider if one wants to be working well long-term. Emotions are part of your judgement tools. However uneasy to read they might be, they are an information like others : one more long-term, broad direction than the thinking, and one who can make shit of your body and mind if ignored too much, too long.
I'd say emotions are here to tell you : "accomplish, yes, but accomplish what, and why ?"
Anyway I hope you are doing well and I wish you the best.
Why are you confessing in the commentaries? You have serious problems, probably
Love the husky voice but thank you for the suffering :-)
Sincerely yours, an arrogant, dismissive and know-it-all INTJ 😂
As an Istp I think we are very similar to INTJs in a weird way. Almost like we have different starting points, have different internal processes, ways of doing things but still ending up in the same position in the end.
True. We may share traits that kids these days call "Sigma". INTJs are a bit more on the dorkykid/dark side than ISTPs who are more on the coolkid/impulsive side. But outwardly, more similar than most other types.
@@KP-w ISTP/ESTP = Sigma/alpha of the teenage years. INTJ/ENTJ - Sigma/alpha in the adult world.
@@fifaguy2498 Nah. ESTP trumps INTJ and probably even the ENTJ at alpha-ness, both as a teen and especially as an adult. (And I say this as an INTJ)
@@KP-w As an INTJ I have an appreciation for ESTPs who can definitely power through any problem in life. I will be taking some of their traits for myself. They're highly effective, and I personally believe that a hybrid of ESTP and INTJ would make through any imaginable situation.
I was going to get mad at you for saying that someone's better than us, especially if that's an ENTJ. But ESTPs definitely are alphas.
I'll be destroying ENTJs whoever stand in my way and I'll be doing that by learning a few things from ESTPs
I never understood the "have the next 20 years of taking over the world completely planned out and diagrammed." A) I have NO desire to take over the world; and B) while I love a good plan, and like to figure out as much as possible for a given project ahead of time, sometimes there's too much minutiae to take into consideration and you really just have to "wing it" (if you want to get it done, anyway). I guess that's where the "intuition" comes in. Haha! I've said "I'm not antisocial, I'm asocial" for as long as I can remember! *Get well soon!*
I am a 50yr old intj male. I often laugh at the younger me, being the only one able to see it for what it is, despite righteously letting everyone know, in a polite way, that they are wrong. Back to my quiet time to recharge & wonder what went wrong & why no one actually listens to me.
I only really had one or two friends at a time, & at times it felt like they had been paid to give me company, just to keep an eye on me. Completely misunderstood.
It hurts so much when one of those close friends, who you let in... hurts you. Your emphatic side is often the reason why though, they used you. We can sometimes go as far as being a narc's gift shop. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger right...
I reached most of my dreams & with a twist, none of them arrived packaged, as i expected. & i spent all that time making plan B's for my plan B's...ha
An INTJ has the potential to grow into a Sigma. Through development of putting action to your well planned goals, you are already most of the way there. Your younger years of discovering who you are & where you fit in, a very solo, often painful journey in all respects, does lead you to come out on top.
But first get out of your head & do it. Get conscientious about it. Trust me, nothing hurts more than regret, especially so when you axtually had it all planned out. Your intuitive thinking endlessly searches for groundshaking ideas, never doubt yourself... the idea is better than most already, you have passed it through the *fire.
Go n be awesome fellow INTJ, the world really is yours & yes, you were born 20yrs too late, which really sucks but you'll get over it lol
It is really spot on. But I would add to #4, because I have the problem of getting not enough social interaction. That doesn't mean meaningless blahblah, but a deep conversation, mutual interests and opening up and revealing your thoughts and details of your life, which is extremely hard to come by nowadays. But there is a limit on how much interaction an INTJ can support. It might be less than for other types, but they are still humans and in need of it.
Agreed.
Just, if I may, it might not be a nowadays problem. Yeah, never so much discussions just scratched the surface, but never had we this ability to get in reach of people anywhere. I guess our chances of deep bound have just been sprayed.
I agree that physical interaction helps a lot tho, and the loss of it is a disaster.
Intjs deeply emotional people, but make logical decisions. And here I am, infj, deeply logical making decisions based on emotions. FML😂
It's not like we are making our desicions based on emotions, we listen to our body and make sure include them in calculations. I'm not sure how for other INFJs, but for me ignoring this aspect ended badly. I think we are just wired like this, we cannot ignore our physique
In terms of emotions INTJs have deep and intense feelings yet like to keep these private as they really don't want to be seen as nor be vulnerable. Those who are very close to an INTJ will know how sentimental and emotional their INTJ partner or family member can be but that side of an INTJ is rarely seen by anyone they're not extremely close to.
Testified.
People can manipulate and hurt you through your emotions. That's why only those you absolutely trust ever get to see them if you can help it. I get it being there myself. Learning iron control doesn't make the emotions go away though, and you learn how to act on them in little ways without revealing them.
Leaving the public aside and examining the type community, I encounter two errors from other types characterising us.
Firstly, people usually over emphasise our Te. It may be something people encounter a lot at work, but it's something we absolutely need to rest. Our Ni, Fi, and Se are our place of comfort and our natural state of being, especially when we're tired. Te is for grown-up work. It is a tool for dealing with the outside world. Te is like a gear in an old gearbox that can be very difficult to engage, but once it's locked in, we're good to go and keep going for quite a while. Te is our "action mode", and we're very different people when we're not in it.
The other mistake is that people mistake our Ni "planning" for the kind that Si users do. We're not into lists and itineraries, or the "safety first" preparedness of someone like an IS-J. Rather, our heads are naturally wired to future project just about everything. For instance, instead of preparing a list and a bunch of objects to bring to a certain kind of event based on past experience, our minds play out a kind of simulation of the event, and so we bring different objects based on the simulation, or wear different clothes, etc.
Ye.
That's why I end up bothering my INTJ each time we go out under any harsh climate.
I'm not fond of having to lend kleenexes because of excessive use of style armour.
"It may be something people encounter a lot at work, but it's something we absolutely need to rest. Our Ni, Fi, and Se are our place of comfort" this absolutely! The Te being "auxiliary" is a very good title: it's here to serve the other functions and help us attain what we care for through our Ni-Fi-Se.
I completely agree with your comment, your description of Te use, and the Ni vs Si planning type... my "planning type" is extremely global and intuitive, and for most of my life, before knowing cognitive functions, I didn't even really knew it was there. It just feels really natural and not really like cognitive effort? In complete contrast with my ISTJ dad and his set of detailed lists that I could never understand and took ages to go through!
@@lc1138Pardon?
@@omeirai124Yes, it's like our head has a highway off-ramp to future project and most lanes lead in its direction. We don't have to think about what something is going to be like, it just keeps getting thrust upon us -- getting stuck in endless looping simulations sometimes on those bad nights when your head won't shut up. ;-)
@@johnknight9150 My overcautious Si clashing with their Se, when it's rainy and I'm the only one with something waterproof, for instance. It's become more of a joke between us :')
Yes on point #4. If you want to hang with me, let's go do something we both enjoy or get to know me while doing something with me. I've always been an activity/hobby oriented person; it's how I prefer learning and doing things, having fun. I like it when that enjoyment is a bridge to getting to know others who are also having fun with the same thing. It removes the strain of having to try to small talk. And if you don't want to bother with that, then aside from a very few select people, I would prefer to be alone in my own thoughts.
2:40 anti social is a crimnal trait , like laws does not concern me, just tothers
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My sister is an INTJ, and this is on point!
- hope you get well soon Nathan ☀️
I find it kind of strange that, as a (probably) higher Fe user, I end up appreciating more MBTI types with lower Fe function (with exceptions). I somehow find it more genuine. In this video, I especially appreciate point 2. that INTJs have deep emotions but choose (have a strenght) not to base decisions on them.. that speaks a lot about them.
Yes. I feel emotions very deeply, and sometimes even hate myself for the decisions I will end up making, but logically can't choose any other way. Those choices make me feel horrible, but looking down the road and seeing the consequences of choosing any other way ... I can't go with any emotional satisfaction of choosing "easier"; it would just be too bad in the end.
1. True. If I’m being direct or challenging with my opinion it’s a sign of respect. I value your input enough that I want to sharpen my views against it. Or if I give a criticism it’s because I want to help.
2. Not quite accurate. Fi does determine my actions because it determines my goals and my morals. It just doesn’t feel like it to people because long term vision comes into it and Te is working the day to day problems on the way to Fi goals and morals. If something feels wrong to me I’m not doing it, pragmatics be damned.
3. Spot on.
4. To me socialising feels great when it’s all about interesting conversation. Doing activities just feels like an obstacle to that goal. I’ve noticed lots of other types are the other way around, and consider someone a friend just because they’ve done things together a few times lol.
4) I guess activities might be a way to communicate other than with words and concepts. Take any game or fight, or cooking, or hiking and sharing the experience of a hard path and beautiful view.
I agree there are some ways of interacting that are simply out of my spectrum and I won't bother try to understand them as I just feel bad doing it.
Tho I feel like my INTJ companion has a spectrum much intense and thinner than mine. Laser eyes. :')
Do you like doing a certain activity together maybe like suppose playing chess or a sport watching anime together or going out to eat Street food obviously having conversations too at the same time.
I second your comment!
@@lc1138 For 4 I'm somewhere in between. I don't do socialization just for the sake of it but it can be paired with a hobby (or a goal works too). Hobby is my main focus and socialization is cherry on top.
INTJ's ego gets checked from society more than anyone else , the society will just not accept INTJ without them exerting immense energy either to develop themselves and be more empathetic or to achieve great things , they just can't live in peace like so many others 😂
INTJs are the most interesting fictional characters in real life. We just need to figure them correctly and that is a hassle.
(It's meant as a compliment)
Totally true..
That's why the most draining thing I ever think is "how do I join the society and appear in social engagement for the sake of growing up and being an adult"
I feel like I'm the only one who struggle just to keep living and growing in this real world's society..
They'll totally gonna hate me for just being myself, so I kinda hate some people preaching about "be yourself"
Like "stfu I'm just trying to keep living right here and still barely breathing" 😂
Being female intj is literally both blessing and curse
@@iwa2028 my heart lies with you ,
But I would say it could be a blessing , for human's ego is the source of all of the troubles in this world and having good reason to be mindful of it can open he world to you, also INTJ's ego is probably the most deadly , they can literally be evil geniuses :))
Why I should even want to be accepted in the society? Who will love the idea to change yourself just to blend in?
@@fred_krueger55 I don't know if anyone loves this idea, but many fear the contrary : being rejected for being yourself.
I love socializing-with people who know a lot about my areas of interest so we can feed of each other’s enthusiasm.
I like the distinction of solving problems so they don’t come back, but I’ve also been planning how best to enjoy my 90s since I was 7, so long range goals are not a misconception like my attitude.
Speaking of which, I’m more likely to be shocked by what people assume about my motives and attitudes than anything else in social settings. Being demeaning of a person is so far from my mind I can’t imagine it. But who wouldn’t want to have clearer, better ideas and perspectives?
Fe users.
Fi dom speaking. :')
Another video extolling the virtues of INTJs? Take my positive reinforcement of view, like, and comment. Good day, sir.
Great video as always nathan🙏🏻 your channel has probably my favorite MBTI related content
I must state that it is highly comforting to follow discussions in a place where several INTJs gather (like, let's say, the comments section of this video). They tend to expose elaborate reasonings on some subject they have already apprehended in a global way, and they do so very concisely. All the while being respectful and attentive about other people's way of thinking, and staying prone to reconsiderate their own thinking. The aim, as I see it, is more to approach some form of truth than to be right or win a case or simply expose a feeling.
This is the closest to what theoretical discussions should be, anywhere, in my Fi-dom opinion. :')
So thank you for existing, kind INTJs.
As an INTJ (in my Fi-sub opinion lol), regardless of your type, the aim (if there is one) is essentially, without exception, to be right/win in whichever sense, given the context. Now, that's a given. You can't help but see the world in shades ranging from "I see this as somewhat of a win" to "I see this as an absolute win". That's inescapable. Discussions, in their own element, certainly approach some form of truth, but people can't, never do, perhaps never will.
@@KP-w Might well be ! But I guess we can at least try to align our victory conditions on being the closest to some form of truth.
@@lc1138 Yes, if we're speaking collectively, we have science, in terms of the objective, which is our best bet at getting there. But if we're speaking individually, it's quite pointless, because all things inevitably will descend into the complexities of politics, ranging from toddler politics to mutually assured destruction, and the truth is simply a matter of (weighted) opinion.
I've heard 1 & 2 before and agree with your assessment. I hadn't realized people didn't know 3 & 4 though. And you're absolutely correct.
3) What would be the point of, to use your example, fixing hiring practices for just 1 group? If something is wrong with hiring for one position, then most likely something is going wrong hiring for all positions, and the problems are simply less visible (for now). And that is going to lead to horrible systemic problems throughout the whole business. Better to start looking at the whole system to see what issues are pervasive. After you've made sure the basic system is sound, you can drill down into each category for any specific issues if, for some reason, you have different skill checks for each category. Or you might find out that it's just one interviewer who works specifically with a certain category, in which case someone is getting retrained or fired.
But yeah, if you don't fix the systemic problems, it's like putting a band-aid over a leaking faucet. It will hold for the immediate use, but if you need it to work for longer than once or twice, you'd better repair it properly.
4) With socializing over an activity or a shared project, it's more efficient, yes, but it's also more honest? I don't have to pretend to be something I'm not to entertain you. I don't have to think up questions to ask you or feign interest in your family or your jokes or your stories.
Getting to know someone by doing something with them is more natural. They're less likely to pretend to be someone they're not or trying to impress you with random unrelated things because they don't actually know what would be of interest to you. You have a prop. The prop is of interest. Speak about the prop, and if you happen to go off on a tangent fro that prop, that's fine. Conversations naturally turn like that, and can always be reoriented on the prop/activity if you get too far afield.
This is likely why we get on so well with INTPs and INFPs when put together. We don't mind if they're socially awkward. Social awkwardness or anxiety is honest. And if they get too tongue tied, we'll just reorient on the topic and generally ignore their discomfort rather than pressing them on it.
INTJs may come across as 'arrogant' to those who don't know them yet they have invariably put serious time into in-depth research any topic they are talking about which is why they come across as authoritative. However they are willing to debate with others and, importantly, to change their beliefs and opinions if they find and/or are presented with other evidence.
1. is attributable to Ti critic (6th slot) which tends to elect themselves the smartest person in the room unless demonstrated otherwise.
2. is a direct result of Fe trickster (7th slot), but Fi child is optimistic, just not as outward facing (because it's introverted) but is higher in the stack and used more often than INTP. If Te is a pass/fail inductive reasoning, then Fi are the values that determines where the line of pass/fail lies.
3. is Ni combined with Te which often results in shortcutting. Shortcutting can even result in being satisfied with imagining success and being satisfied with the imagination and not actually obtaining success. Ultimately, INTJ are progression focused and see goals as merely steppingstones to the next project in their longer-term plans that are merely plans upon plans, like an onion.
4. They have to want to be social, but Fe blindness makes that difficult. Their Se inferior craves attention. It's a dichotomy that leads to a sort of push-pull relationship with socializing, an endless hunger for the attention and reverence of others, while feeling that managing relationships are a hindrance to what they would rather be doing.
I always appreciate your videos. I hope you feel well again soon.
Oh, and, Nathan, I never gave my piano teacher issues about the order of pieces. I assumed she had already thought through how to get me ahead the fastest. I didn’t even protest the constant Bach practice because I could see how mathematically and technically challenging it was even if less flowery than my favorite Romantic era pieces.
I never could take gold in the competitions though, because I was always too nervous to add that last layer of emotion when performing
Did you happen to get rid of the excess of stress ?
It's not as much that I don't ever take decisions based on my emotions, rather, at least as an adult, I take my emotions and reactions into account, but there's a general grasp of the situation overseeing it (and coming above logic as well! It's not really logic > emotions entirely). There's a time and place to be ruthless and cut corners, but what will you accomplish by being a stone cold robot in every domain of your entire life?
I'm also ok with being sincere and vulnerable about my emotions with people I'm close with, and I deeply value communication and honesty about how each person is feeling.
Also tbh I'm not much of a debater, unless the situation calls for it and there's an issue to solve. Most of the time I don't feel it's worth it and just want to be left to do my own thing. It's literally not my job to change people's minds about trivial matters, especially if they're stubborn or I feel like they won't understand my point.
...Man, this all sounds a bit edgy to read, it's embarrassing... :^)
Love your comment. I could sense your open and humble approach. I hope you feel encouraged to keep sharing parts of yourself with the world. And in case you wonder if other people think the way you do, the answer is yes. Also, this was not edgy or embarrassing. No need to worry about it. You are awesome. 😊
@@solarisan_ Thank you lots!
Sometimes it does feel lonely, so that's a little reassuring... :)
Not edgy at all.
I stand behind sanni9883 comment. :)
Oh, I agree emotions in decisions have their place, but not at the expense of the best outcome, and that's where logic comes in and ranks higher. If the best long-term decision isn't the one that makes you feel happiest in the moment, then the best long-term outcomes is still the one that will probably win, especially if the long-term results of the emotional short-term high are worse long-term. In such a scenario, I will sacrifice short-term happiness almost every time.
@@angelaharris53 And then you have to define "the best outcome". :)
Indeed emotions can be unreliable and volatile (INFP talking here). However, they still represent a signal. A signal that can be worth analyzing, to at least know why you feel that way, and then if it is relevant/reasonable/important in the long run.
I'd say, logic needs data to work with. Emotion is data too. Your appreciation of this emotion's relevance is data too. So, more data for logic to grind.
However, I feel like the OP was talking more about some sort of global vision, than about logic.
So, Ni. (The captain of the INTJ, Te being its quartermaster, Fi its surgeon, and Se its merry cadet stumbling on the deck and looking for parties and rhum.)
That circles back to your "what's best in the long term", and I'm still interested in knowing how you define it, and how you came to define it that way.
3rd is very true. I need a very general way of solving a type of problem. A type of general flow chart, or an algorithm. That's the basic focal point and it covers every small variation of that specific type of problem.
DING DING DING! 🛎️ As in INTJ-T, you have knocked this out of the park.
The third point hits very true. I've seen other types trying to solve a problem by going into the details but end up patching the problem up and not solving it. Good example if someone has a car to go from A to B and there are several problems. S types often think about the car itself, ''maybe I just need a bigger gas tank, or a navigation system'''. While INTJ's are more likely to wonder if a car is suitable in the first place or even before that and try not having to go from A to B in the first place, avoiding the problem altogether.
Downside is that this way is often way more involved...
Its scary how on point and accurate this is
I'm sure nice INTJs are out there, but I've never met an INTJ that I didn't want to beat unconscious with a cinder block.
I'm an INTJ who enjoys working in team environments. *gasp*
Emotional Robot! That's me alright. I've always loved robots for as long as I can remember. All of my favorite science fiction books, movies and TV shows have had robots in them. I Robot, Ozma of Oz, The Jetsons, Astro Boy, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Black Hole, Fantastic Four, Inspector Gadget, The Iron Giant, GoBots, Transformers, MASK, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, etc.
My first favorite movie was Star Wars and my most favorite characters were not the humans or aliens, but the robots or 'droids' especially C3PO and R2D2. My favorite character in Star Trek is Data from the Next Generation series. Another favorite robot is Marvin from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. All of these robots seem capable of mimicking emotions. At times, it is even suggested that they might come as close as any machine can to having genuine emotions. But what I really admired about them was their ability to control their emotions at will and do what was necessary even when a human or alien would be incapacitated or at least too strongly influenced by emotions to do the needed tasks well. All of them could ignore or turn off their emotions and focus strictly on logic when needed.
When most of the other kids I knew wanted to be star athletes, famous actors, firemen, etc. I wanted to be a robot or an alien who could control his emotions and be logical like a Vulcan. When adults asked what career I wanted, I'd say that I wanted to be a scientist at a research lab.
That's how I've always felt: that I can come about as close as any human can to turning off my emotions to focus on what needs to be done. I also usually make decisions based upon what will help me achieve my goals or complete a task well. Repetitive, monotonous tasks don't bother me if I know that they are necessary to achieve something worthwhile, even if that isn't achieved right away.
When it comes to expressing emotions out loud, I never really know what to say, so most of the time, I don't say anything. I just listen and observe. I try to copy what other people do to express their emotions in helpful ways, but it always seems like I have to think it through first and try to come up with the correct response. It's like I'm trying to play a human rather than having a natural, spontaneous reaction to things. This probably comes from not only being an INTJ but also being autistic. I feel emotions deeply, but I do not instinctively know how to express them. Most of the time, I avoid expressing them rather than go through the difficulty of trying to figure out the correct way to show them.
As you can maybe tell from my comments here and elsewhere on social media, I prefer to express my ideas and emotions through text rather than voice or body language. Text is superior because it is easily controllable. I consciously decide which words to use, often weighing multiple options for a bit before committing to one of them. In text based social media, I usually have all the time I need to make these decisions at my leisure without feeling pressured to respond quickly. I also have time to edit my comments for spelling, punctuation, syntax, etc. so that it conveys the intended meaning as best as I am able to determine. How many times have you wished that you could take back some silly or potentially unhelpful thing that you have said out loud? I know that I have many times. With text, I can check for such things and correct them before I hit 'send'. I also have time to research my responses in books and online to make certain that I am remembering things correctly. This usually isn't possible in a face-to-face conversation.
Face-to-face conversation is a stressful, frustrating experience while most social media interactions are more like one of my favorite pastimes: turn-based strategic role-playing computer games. I would much rather play Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, for example, than to have a face-to-face, or even phone or video chat with someone: even a close friend or dear relative. Social media is a bit like these games only there isn't as much monster slaying or puzzle solving. The closest to merging the two together that I have tried is playing a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, or MMORPG, such as Dungeons and Dragons Online or World of Warcraft. Sometimes, I play those games and get into interesting conversations with players who are questing with me. Most of the time, I focus on achieving the goals of the quest, but now and then, I meet someone who has something interesting to say about a favorite subject and we start chatting away via text through our characters while there aren't any monsters around to attack us. Now, that's an enjoyable way to socialize for me.
Why did you even write an essay? Are you seriously thinking someone would read it?
Hope you get well in time for the Holidays. Otherwise, they might do you in. I always love INTJ videos. I want to defend them for some reason, so they can simply live their lives in their inimitable INTJ way. (from an IINFP, of course).
I knew you were an INFP before I finished reading the post! ;-) I think you'll find INTJs feel much the same way about INFPs. Maybe more so.
@@johnknight9150 Agreed from experience. :)
INFP here too, enjoying sharing minds and hearts with an INTJ. Best thing ever apart for the social isolation and not-doing-things we are lovingly spiraling into.
Every point is a little true, with the exception of the 3rd point, which is extremely true. I have never seen any other type concretely plan for such long-term sustainability. Sometimes, I feel like they view time as an indefinite resource as well as invaluable, simultaneously - which is very weird.
No, I think there are types that are their natural advocates, like for example INTPs.
How so ? I haven't much INTP experience.
@@lc1138 My hypothesis is that source of other types notions about INTJ is lack of positive verbal and especially non-verbal ques. In a (hyperbolic) sense it might be similar to when feeler is frustrated by a computer he/she does not understand well enough and lack of "human feedback" makes them ascribe malice to a tool that cannot even harbor any. The blank, contemplative face may seem like scheming to some.
INTP on the other had looks beyond surface appearances. It's even one of popular description of INTP attitude that when normal people look robotic teddy bear, they see the fluff primarily while INTP is fascinated rather by what lies behind the fluff.
So INTP interprets and judges people primarily of their actions and thoughts rather than surface level acting and cutesy gestures. And can often see the positive intent in direct direct criticism and "tough love".
By that I do not try ascribe iNTP some special ability to read people much better than others, its rather that I think we are able to read those parts that are related thinking, action and their logical consistency with hypothetical goals.
BTW I am INTP with INTJ brother.
@@jansvoboda4293 I misunderstood your comment for 'their are types that don't get misunderstood bc they are their own advocates', my apologies !
Yep. I guess it's a trait most types gain when maturing, experience being made and integrated.
@@lc1138 Maybe it's my error as I did not realize it could be interpreted as other than direct reaction to the title, 'their' meaning INTJ's and did not remove the ambiguity.
True, as an INTJ w INTP bestie..
We understand each other and helps each other survive this world 😂
I just love your work, Love Who! Thank you.
Thanks for your content. Could you make an episode on the great INTJ’s in history, and what you think the 5 most suitable skillsets INTJ’s should learn which align with their innate strengths I.e programming, childcare, public speaking (whatever they may be).
Sincerely, an INTJ that is aware he is a strong strategist and creative, but is unsure how to apply these things or which skills he would be best mastering
Well said. I can relate to this so much!
Very interesting! I think I fell out with an INTJ, that was tough, considering I am an INFJ.
I'm an intj and I'm a poet (mostly write about death and stuff but it's poetry)
Do what you can with this
The only socializing I enjoy is that which is totally focused on engaging in an activity that I like, eg, singing in a choir. I loathe the before and after rehearsal periods, because those lack this purpose. Cocktail parties are my idea of hell.
Is no one going to mention that they will attend most functions if there is food? Or maybe sneak in after the event for the food.
It's almost like INTJs are complex, multifaceted humans just like everyone else
I actually derived more information from the comment section then the video itself. Everyone made a basic statement and Then followed that statement with a description of how this statement was justified. Exactly how I would do it. So basically we have proven what we are.
Would be great to hear something like this about intp, istj, infj, esfp
INTJs rule the internet, probably
That's why they have special attention
As an INTJ i look forward to making connections with other people , talk, and laugh with them but we only do so with a couple people who we know will be right for us.
As an INTJ you don't wanna be stuck in an Ni-fi loop
Yea true
It's a curse loop lol
INTJ here, I am one of those who are an antithesis to the cold and unemotional stereotype. I am friendly and social to an extent, but it's just that I prefer to use logic when helping others or making decisions rather than taking note of other people's feelings because that is what makes me feel good.
Reading other people's emotions have always been hard for me which can lead to unfavorable consequences, especially with my brand of humor. Although, I do get better at reading someone the closer I get to them as is the case with family and a few close friends. Sometimes, I could even cry out of empathy (not so stereotypical INTJ-like behavior).
With the mentioned problem of fixing a hiring process, I’m not sure I understand what an ISTJ would do differently in that situation.
This is a great question. I could be wrong, but it seems that ISTJ's are more likely to take a more timeline-linear, history of cause/effect approach to solve the problem whereas an INTJ is more likely to focus on abstract questions such as "what is the meaning behind this" and draw from a less linear thought-bubble style of collecting information. The INTJ could get too caught up in abstract principles and the ISTJ could get too caught up in sequential data.
So for example, the ISTJ might start by tracing back over the timeline of the hiring process and see if they can spot the point at which the hiring process becomes flawed and then try to find a way to fix it. The INTJ might start by asking "what is the goal/meaning of the hiring process...what are you trying to achieve as the end result?" and then evaluate how effective the current system of the hiring process is, compared to a system that would more easily reach that ultimate goal.
The ISTJ's strong suit would probably be to enforce and maintain the new system once it's there.
@@yigitorhan7654 That's probably true, as an INTJ I like to create a system and then leave it to someone else to maintain lol
@@trashbuilds8351 Exact same true for me.
Possibly your best INTJ work
I'm very affectionate with my boyfriend, my sister, and my close friends, but I'm a ruthless "logical machine" with the rest of the world. My emotions don't guide my decision making: I'm constantly aware of all my mental processes, and I can steer them wherever I want, if needed, so that no cognitive bias gets in the way. When people realize that, at times they perceive me as "fearsome", 'cause I can't bring myself to care about what others think of me: I just keep going wherever I'm headed to, and I do it with a seraphic smile on my face. I'm very relaxed, "zen", and cheerful by nature, so I'm usually perceived by strangers and colleagues as a nice and approchable person; this can even trick people into thinking that I'm "easier" than I actually am, and be shocked when they read on my face that "Yes, I'm smiling. Yes, I'm polite. Yes, I do my best to help you, if you deserve it. But no, I won't budge, EVER, nor beg for your attention. Now be as corteous as I'm being, and get out of my way, thanks". ☺
Thanks for awareness
My SO is an INTJ and I'm an ENFP. I'd also add that INTJs have an amazing sense of humour.
Your SO is lucky, I do love ENFPs, and I bet you two can have hilarious chats :)
My ex was an ENFP. Let's just say I'd prefer to be with an introverted SJ (or an ESTJ) than an ENFP. 😂
@@KP-w laughs, I can understand too, and there are downsides... the heavy Ne + Fi can be exhausting and feel suffocating and way too subjective at times, like any argument against their view will be pointless. Obviously it depends on the person and their maturity too
The Ni + Te function combo actually generates an inventor's paradox approach to solving problems.
Forgive me, what is an inventor's paradox ?
It's when a specific problem is solved more effectively by generalizing it.@@lc1138
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"So to summarize, they are emotional robots" 🤣🤣🤣
Consider yourself gifted.
I think I heard you say you’re an INTJ😊❤. I’m an INFP.
When I first got into mbti I was confused whether I was an intp, info or intj, later I just concluded that I must be an intp since some things just pointed that way, but after a year or so of getting out of mbti and then suddenly watching this video (youtube recommendations doing it's thing) I feel like I've become more like this during this whole year, the me from a year ago probably wouldn't relate to most of these but the current me certainly do. It's a wierd feeling, have I become more of an intj during this time?...
Young INTJs who lack confidence, don't entirely understand themselves yet and haven't found something that drives them, often mistype as INTP somehow! I think part of it is the false P vs J dichotomy lots of tests seem to have, that overlooks how cognitive functions work, and also not having anything they seriously want to apply their Te aux to can make INTJs a lot more relaxed and go with the flow?
A more depressive and discouraged state can also get you in Se grip mode, which makes you want to seek instant gratification as distraction from what stresses you out
I know as an INTJ if I think someone is being fake or doesn't actually care what I'm saying (especially after asking me a question), I'll close up and probably come across as cold, intimidating and unnervingly silent.
You’re so right
Why thank you… ~ Nathan
Merry Christmas Nathan!
I do hope that you feel better very soon.
🙏🙏🙏
I'm extroverted. Love to model, meet new people, dance and form meaningful relationships.
Why are you writing this? Are you a pranker?
A meeting with my roommates due to mess.
Me: why cant we just call out who we know it is?
I personally think why would someone solve such a problem case by case
It's hard to think seriously and that's why if possible don't do it too often
INTJs can socialize but it has to be worth the effort. So often it’s not.
I'm sorry you are ill. I am also ill. We achieve parity.
I really HAVE earned my arrogance, though. Just sayin'. And I'm done with people who tell me they can't put my idea into practice because the incompetent bood who came up with the incompetent system already in place will get their feelz hurt.
Would you characterize them as an eternal strategizer?
For me as an INTJ, yes in the sense that everything can always be improved upon, but no in the sense that it is not always efficient/necessary to improve everything lol.
There has to be a good enough need to change something, and INTJ's like to know just enough about something to practically use it, but don't feel the need to overly-strategize for the sake of taking something to it's ultimate end unless that ultimate end is something that would be useful for humanity.
Thanks@@trashbuilds8351
@@trashbuilds8351 Yep!
I thought our 3d funktion is introvert feeling..?,!¿...😮😂😊🎉
And terrifiquely sarcastic too..😂😅😊😁😆🤣
They do make decision based on their mood though
Do intjs care about bodycount of their future partner just curious
People who identify with the INTJ personality type may or may not care about a partner's bodycount. Like with every personality type, the INTJ label can be applied to a diverse set of individuals, with many different tastes and opinions. If you want to know if an INTJ cares about a partner's bodycount, just ask them.
All I can really say is that I do. More than 0 is a no from me. I think most people care more than they would usually admit, but I love the truth, so I'll just say what I actually think.
@@chunktuff thanks for honestly are you a man or a woman
@@H0lolo Sure thing! And, I'm a man.
The way that question is framed is amusing. No. I certainly don't give a f about their bodycount in the past. I do, however, look for a certain class of red flags, and that's enough of a filter.
Someone once said one of the best friends a INTJ could have is a INTP it's the best combo because of the warmest robot and coldest human 😂
I like this video:D
RUclips keeps telling me I'm INTJ
Immature INTJs* can definitely be arrogant, dismissive and rigid. Some research on the 16-personalities site shows INTJs are among the happiest of all types to be most Machiavellian and to put their own needs first. But so can some feelers (speaking as an infj), esp when immature! 🤣
thanks
Dating an INTJ is like solving a new puzzle everyday.
- INFJ
One thing that could be elaborated further: we'd LOVE to be the evil mastermind who is always 1000 steps ahead and has planned for every contingency, but that's not how this world works. Even the smartest man on earth has neither the time nor capacity to do so!
I guess that most INTJs have hit a wall somewhere because they wanted to achieve something but things just never go as intended and then realised that it's a waste of time and energy trying to plan everything to the last detail.
Don't get me wrong, we still prefer an environment where we can plan things for the long term, but we can't allow ourselves to burn out...
This brings up other paradoxes about the MBTI:
Which introvert is most likely to end up in leadership roles?
Which of the thinkers is the most empathic?
I think that you'd see the limitations of the model the fastest when trying to type neuroatypical persons such as aut!st!c people and psychopaths.
The latter acts extroverted but can survive isolation better than anyone else. Some ASD cases are extroverted, but deplete their energy way too fast and don't know how to interact with others despite wanting to...
Plus, they can appear both like INTJ and ISTJ depending on the context...
@@edi9892Mixing actual clinical terms with the pop psych MBTI model won't give you any useful answers 😂
@@KP-w Still worth exploring the limitations and ponder about the underlying reasons...
@@edi9892 Of course. That exploration comes in a neatly packed box, meant for data crunchers, no new avenues or bunnytrails.
Why, just why did you use "evil"?
Accurate.
Would anyone who is introverted and have Te in their stack relate to this perhaps?
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