Why would they replay? The point should of gone to Felix. I don't understand why people say it should be replayed when he shanked it on his side. 40 - 40. The fact that Jack wanted to replay the point shows he knew it wasn't fair play. They are playing pro's, obviously they can feel the ball as they hit it and know how the ball will go depending on how they hit it. Jack reminded me of a kid getting caught into a lie betraying himself by giving it out. He looked surprised when the umpire gave him the point, he said he was willing to replay and kept saying I don't know what happened. 🚩🚩🚩 Its too bad because he obviously lost respect of other players and fans. The umpire looked like he didn't care at all. He is the one who should be paying attention and making the calls. A lot of mistakes and drama around him. I wouldn't want him to ref any of my games if I were any of them.
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This is not good for Draper, I think he is only one who knows. I know couple players who would give up that point just cos there is bad karma if you won point that is not yours, not good for your soul. My opinion is that Novak would give up that point if he was in Draper place.
The worst umpiring mistake in a major match was in the 3rd round 2018 Wimbledon - Djokovic against Kyle Edmund. Djokovic hit a drop shot, which Edmund hit on the 2nd bounce, and the shot went out. Edmund then touched the net,as he couldn't stop in time. The umpire gave the point to Edmund as he ruled it wasn't a second bounce. Replay showed it was, and that the shot had gone out , and Edmund hit the net. Djokovic insisted it was a 2nd bounce - it was obvious. So Djokovic won the point 3 times and yet had it taken away from him.
@@marlenebuls9535 totally agree that was as shocking and like Draper Kyle Edmund knew the score - he had no shame. Where I come from they call it cheating.
yep I remember that call , big mistake, and what was more outrageous is that edmund didnt want to admit or talk about it when i know he knew he couldnt hit the shot that he hit flat and fast had he hid it withthe frame , the trajectory of the ball was not right for a once bounce
Jack Draper knew full well that it was FAA’s point. As Federer pointed out against Berdych the trajectory of the ball shows it had hit the court first. Very sad Draper showed bad character only matched by JG not thinking sportsmanship should belong in sport at the highest level.
Agreed that is why there are officials because the amount of high integrity players are few. Most players criticizing Draper but I don’t think very many players would have done anything different from Draper. Only players that would have conceded that point would be Nadal, mature Djoker, and FAA Officials are there to correct the cheating that exists in most of those players
i guarantee you if the shoe was on the other foot Felix would have definitely conceded the point as would have Carlos, Novak and a lot of other players that are known for their sportsmanship. Sadly a very bad look for Drqper and he has lost my respect.
I am making a case for Jack here that he could have actually been honest because I'm seeing too many commenters pretending to know for sure that Jack was acting. I am not sure if he was, but if he was, then this is the case that he was indeed being honest. 1: What we can see from the screenshot of the moment Jack hits the ball, is that he probably isn't looking at the ball, as he indeed claimed he wasn't. He is not tilting his head downwards, and I don't think from the head position you can (clearly) see whether or not the ball hit the ground or not. And that aligns with him claiming he didn't see it. 2: He probably would have known that the ball hit the frame of the racket, but that doesn't mean he knows whether or not the ball initially bounced from the inside of the frame of the racked or the outside of it (in other words, whether or not the ball goes down or up right after hitting). 3: For whatever reason people are claiming that Jack's request to replay the point right after is somehow evidence that he knew that the ball hit the ground, but honestly, this just seems like confirmation bias to those already suspecting that he was acting. In fact, I fail the see the logic why Jack would say something like that at all if he was truly dead-set on winning the match. If you are dead-set on winning the match even through unsportsmanlike means, then why would you offer in the first place offer to replay the point if the umpire had already spoken out it's verdict? Then the best strategy would seem to just shut up, and when being confronted by Felix about it say something like: "Hey I'm not sure what happened, but ultimately it's the umpire's call". To me, it shows that Jack suspected that it may have hit the floor even right after the point, but that he didn't really know it for sure. 4: For what it's worth, Jack seemed truly genuine to me. He didn't come across to me as someone who was all just making an act. It bothers me that so many people are so cynical so quickly regarding the honesty of others. More than that: It bothers me even moreso that people are cynical to the degree that they seem to have already made up their mind about the idea that Jack would've acted all of this, when in reality it's just a bit of a murky and uncertain situation where pretending you are sure about one way or the other is foolishness because you truly CAN'T be sure! 5: Even if at some level he knew that the ball hit the ground first, the desire to win can cloud your judgement. Your emotions are so involved in wanting to win, it is literally possible to unconsciously convince yourself that you didn't know for sure when if this happened in a practice match, it would have been clear to you that the ball indeed hit the floor. In other words: It is possible that Jack was bullshitting himself rather than everyone else. If you tell others a lie when you have convinced yourself in the heat of the moment that it is the truth, then is it even a lie? After all, in order to lie you have to know that what you are saying is not the truth. If you believe an untruth to be the truth and express that as such, then it is simply a delusion rather than a lie.
I don't think Jack Draper did anything wrong. These brutal anonymous RUclips comments are of course totally inappropriate and unfair, but I'm afraid they simply reflect the aggressive mentality and bloodthirst in our society. I hope there will be a meticulous investigation so we will eventually have some definitive answers.
It's not only the trajectory of the ball that was off - it's also the sound that should have made this a no-brainer. A ricochet down into the ground makes a very distinct sound on the bounce, which is why Felix immediately went to the deuce side and didn't even chase the ball down. Draper could have conceded the point and it would have been a classy move.
I don't know my ass. Shame on you Jack. And shame on the empire because it was just in front of him, and his main function is to see objectively what is happening on the court. And shame on not having technology at hand to avoid such miscalls and put both, the umpire and the players is such position, when it can be easily avoided.
No, you don't know if Jack is being dishonest here. He could be truthful. Stop pretending like you know for sure. It's not like you can look in his head and step in his shoes and experience everything that he experienced. You can only suspect he was being dishonest, but not know for sure
Why not give the point to Felix, he was the one it was stolen from. But even a replay would have been fairer. Draper when you look at the picture, he saw where he was hitting!
Good on you JG for calling out Draper. Going into the video , you guys being British , I thought maybe you’ll give Draper a pass but you didn’t and that shows your fairness. ❤
No replay the point its was Felix’s ! Sort of believe Jack didn’t know for sure, but because of that he should have conceded the point. No excuse for umpire.
Point to Felix of course! And Draper knew!!! For sure! At that level they know!!!!!!!!!! So ok he won … is just not fair and his reaction was from someone who knows.. he just decided to go with it!
It would have been good to have gone through it frame by frame, haven't seen this level of analysis anywhere. Still not sure whether the ball hit the ground first - definitely not as clear cut as most people seem to think. For those questioning Draper's reaction - players react in different ways to an unclean shot, he wasn't sure hence why he offered to play the point again. Its hardly evidence "he knew 100%", even pros don't play this kind of shot on a regular basis so its understandable in the heat of the moment that he's unsure. Seems a bit unreasonable to expect Draper to concede a match point, when there's any doubt involved - the umpire and the supervisors clearly thought otherwise. Felix was a fair distance away from the ball so hard to see he could be so convinced.
It has been shown ( you tube - possibly tennis tv) from an angle where you could see clearly the ball hitting the frame of the racket and then bouncing up and forward . In any case the physics is simple and you do not get the ball rotation , trajectory and bounce on the other side that has been seen , if it would have been a volley . Felix knows it , Draper knows it . Moreover, at a certain level you are conscious of what happened . A fortiori, at pro level . Draper knew , and now every player on the tour . Everybody makes mistakes . Wish him good luck . Chapeau to FAA , who showed great professionalism .
@@DenisTurcot-p8e Having seen it again in slow mo, Jack appears to hit the shot as a legitimate half volley albeit a double hit. The ball seems to hit the court first, hits the racket twice (which is fair - double hits are allowed if its a continuous swing). I don't see the ball hitting his racket first - the racket is positioned behind the ball when it first hits the court. The ball doesn't hit the court a second time as far as I can see
Please could you restructure your podcast so the first half is solely Ben and the second half left to JG so the discerning tennis fan can get on with their lives half way through ?
hahahahah. stop picking on JG. wihtout him on this video, i doubt if you would even pay attention, moreso finish it. BTW, Ben you're still my favorite 😍
I think Draper should have given the point to Felix. But ultimately there has to be video replays at all matches, otherwise we will have more incidents like this. It’s not good for the sport.
It is unforgivable that the Umpire makes such ridiculous mistakes even when there is a hawk eye to verify it. Why didn't Felix call for a review ?? The bigger question is why there's need for Umpire and linesman when there's hawk eye 😂😂😂
Wise up, it's not unforgivable, it's a mistake and easy to spot with the benefit of 100 slowed down replays, advocate for video review yes but to call it unforgivable is just nonsense
I watched the Draper match and I am sorry to see that a brilliant match he played was ruined by this controversy. Draper played short and clean service games,but Felix played long service games and was hanging in there by a thread. You had the feeling Draper would have won anyway.I think they were both tired and confused,at some point Draper didn't know the score. Overall,it's the umpire's call,there is no technology,the umpire decides.
The comment he made on Fritz match "I also thought it was out, but i couldn't call it" is literally the STUPIDEST thing an umpire could ever done 🤦🏻♂️
I am getting massively irritated by all the people who claim that they know for sure that Draper knew for sure that the ball bounced on the ground. As if you can truly know for sure. As if you can experience exactly what Jack experienced. You can SUSPECT Jack was lying, you can feel confident he was lying or acting, but you can NOT KNOW for sure he was! Stop pretending you can know with absolute certainty! You are all being foolish by trying to be certain about something in a world where almost nothing can be known with absolute certainty (on a philosophical level, at the very least). I suspect actually that Jack was telling the truth, but I readily admit that I do now KNOW that with certainty. All of your arguments as to why jack would have known is NOT conclusive evidence!
I agree,because there is no evidence that Jack knew. He was so confused that night that at some point he didn't know the score. I would like to add that he showed great sportsmanship during a very close match with Thanasi in Madrid this year. I would also say that he was basically called a liar in an indirect manner by his opponent,so. Anyways,people's favorite sport is criticism from their sofa. Pathetic.
It’s such a dubious image, there’s no way of telling if the ball hit his racquet or the ground first. It looked to me like the ball bounced onto the top edge of the bottom of Draper’s frame and shanked off onto the net cord, and dribbled over. A freak shot, but a fair one. Even with the footage I don’t think the umpire would have grounds to overturn the call!
seems those who played deeper at the Olympics are suffering at Cinci both WTA and ATP- why has the surface been sped up? Is that to give US players more chance (conspiracy theory)? Alcaraz had a temper before going pro but JCF reigned it in. I don´t think they´ve had enough rest time and as you said the surface change is so dramatic. I hope Draper doesn´t get put off by the match point controversy - all players have had some lucky points in their careers - and equally unlucky ones. Draper did offer to play the point again but the umpire had already made his decision - no going back!
It was double toch there are videos on X Draper is a weasle, Carlos was playing good but Monfils played very high level and it is ok Carlos to smash rackets better than keep inside of self Carlos Serbia love you ❤❤
As you said the umpire was right in front of it! The same umpire is doing this and it’s him messing up people’s play for whatever reason. People do make mistakes but too many too quick when he is not new at this. They are not supposed to be respected if they are being unfair continually.
As a Djokovic fan, I kind of think it might be better for him to be the 3 seed rather than the 2 seed for the US Open draw. If he’s the 2 seed, he is guaranteed to be on the opposite half from Sinner, with a 50/50 chance of Alcaraz being on his half. If he’s the 3 seed, he is guaranteed to be on the opposite half from Alcaraz, with a 50/50 chance of Sinner being on his half. I think the 3 seed is more advantageous. What do you guys think? 👊
this is what we should talking about and complaining, not about breaking rackets thats silly , now .supervisor they do nothing as always , its outrageous what happened , draper knew the ball hit the floor first , but now allowing the replay in slow motion is ridiculous , why allow a call stay if it's wrong, we never know if they outcome wouldve been different ,
The change of balls at this time of the year takes some getting used to as well as the court speed. The balls for me is perhaps the biggest factor- I have my favourites, and some I really hate.
Draper shouldn't be held accountable for the incident. Even if FAA expects him to recognize the sound of a racket hitting the surface, it's unfair to fault him for it. He has requested a replay of the shot and the point. Playing two matches in a single day, it's unreasonable to expect them to be familiar with every sound a racket makes, especially in such a critical moment. The umpire is at fault in this situation (the same umpire during the Stefanos, Taylor and I'm not sure whether the Shapo match as well). After reviewing the match point multiple times, it's impossible to determine definitively whether the ball hit the surface or not, if it did, blame the umpire coz that's what he was paid for, to check stuff that can't be seen by people like most of us. It's unjust that Draper is bearing the brunt of the criticism. Point of the story, get something to validate what the players are arguing about. I agree with JG on this. the players should sit in their corner while it's being reviewed rather than debate on something that's clearly "unwinnable". Until they get something concrete, nothing can be done for the losing player.
Draper knows the shot was strange, but very few players would have done anything different. The only high integrity players that would have conceded that point are Rafa, mature Djoker, and FAA. That is why officials exist because the players will take any advantage they can get. That Official should have to give public apology to FAA, but should also be allowed to look at replay so that never happens again.
@@coachvctennis a lot to take on this controversy. Only the "none hateful " would take this matter constructively. I'm sure Draper will look back at this in the years to come and mostly likely regret that he didn't put his put down deeper than what I'm assuming FAA wants. Would FAA think back at this one and admit that he was a "bit" harsh on Draper? We'll never know. For this Umpire, good luck with his new job.
The umpire made an error but it's not the same as what happened in the Fritz match, that was due to a flawed ATP protocol, the umpire was just following the protocol which has subsequently been changed.
You are right on this. There was so much confusion last night,but umpire decides with naked eye. We have replays,he doesn't. Unfortunately,it happens from time to time.
@@Kate22178 Yep I'm not going to criticise the umpire, it's easy for everyone in their armchairs to spot with the benefit of slowed down replays. Hopefully this is the catalyst for video review to be implemented in these sorts of scenarios
Draper should have admitted he lost the point.My countrymen will back me. No fair play here, and you two say we can't give Felix the point. Draper is a weasel with weasells praising him
#1 ump blew the call, #2 we need video review, #3 Draper knew 100% and chose a 1/4 final spot over showing true sportsmanship, it looks very poor on Draper. He's young and will learn from his actions here.
Nah I don't think you can be so sure Draper knew. Why would he be the first one to suggest to get a replay if he would be so dead-set on winning the match at all costs?
I don't see any issue with this shot. The ball appears to strike the court surface slightly before making contact with Drapers racket. Looks like a perfectly legitimate half-volley to me.
@@byunglee8291 yes i know tennis rules and that pictute is nothing on X you have video ball bounce once than second time and if Jack have sport spirit he have to say it not be a weasle
Draper did nothing wrong, its very hard to tell what happened from his pov, it all happens too fast and thw ball is very close to the ground. It could have been a mishit inside the frame and not a rebound off the floor from his pov. Why should he give away a match point just cause Felix is complaining?? Come on, he was the better player regardless.
since when better player always win? he knew as he is aware how he hit the ball and that trajectory is impossible to get. Anyway it is not his job to make decision but again it reflects very bad on him
It wasn't a double bounce, it was a ricochet off the racket into the floor. So just one bounce, but wrong sequence - ball hitting the racket and then the ground, not the other way round.
He was, but he was leaving it up to the umpire. Plus, once an umpire has called the score, in this case even "Game, Set & Match", he can't reverse it anymore, according to the current rules.
Jack Draper knew full well that it was FAA’s point. As Federer pointed out against Berdych the trajectory of the ball shows it had hit the court first. Very sad Draper showed bad character only matched by JG not thinking sportsmanship should belong in sport at the highest level.
Draper absolutely knew he shanked the shot, I'm disappointed in his character when he claims he doesn't know
But would he have known he shanked it on the inside of the frame of the racket or the outside? I'm not so sure he knew
@@Tuzzz94 He would have known the ball hit the ground
Why would they replay? The point should of gone to Felix. I don't understand why people say it should be replayed when he shanked it on his side. 40 - 40.
The fact that Jack wanted to replay the point shows he knew it wasn't fair play. They are playing pro's, obviously they can feel the ball as they hit it and know how the ball will go depending on how they hit it.
Jack reminded me of a kid getting caught into a lie betraying himself by giving it out. He looked surprised when the umpire gave him the point, he said he was willing to replay and kept saying I don't know what happened. 🚩🚩🚩
Its too bad because he obviously lost respect of other players and fans.
The umpire looked like he didn't care at all. He is the one who should be paying attention and making the calls. A lot of mistakes and drama around him. I wouldn't want him to ref any of my games if I were any of them.
This is not good for Draper, I think he is only one who knows. I know couple players who would give up that point just cos there is bad karma if you won point that is not yours, not good for your soul. My opinion is that Novak would give up that point if he was in Draper place.
any decent player know as they can feel the feedback from the ball, draper racquet recoiled backward as the ball hit the frame
Novak,da!
The worst umpiring mistake in a major match was in the 3rd round 2018 Wimbledon - Djokovic against Kyle Edmund. Djokovic hit a drop shot, which Edmund hit on the 2nd bounce, and the shot went out. Edmund then touched the net,as he couldn't stop in time. The umpire gave the point to Edmund as he ruled it wasn't a second bounce. Replay showed it was, and that the shot had gone out , and Edmund hit the net. Djokovic insisted it was a 2nd bounce - it was obvious. So Djokovic won the point 3 times and yet had it taken away from him.
The match point looked like it was out but the empire was scared of psycho Nole so he called it an ace anyway. Clown umpires! XD
@@marlenebuls9535 totally agree that was as shocking and like Draper Kyle Edmund knew the score - he had no shame. Where I come from they call it cheating.
yep I remember that call , big mistake, and what was more outrageous is that edmund didnt want to admit or talk about it when i know he knew he couldnt hit the shot that he hit flat and fast had he hid it withthe frame , the trajectory of the ball was not right for a once bounce
draper couldve been remember for being the fairest player, instead no one will remember what round he even made it to
Jack Draper knew full well that it was FAA’s point. As Federer pointed out against Berdych the trajectory of the ball shows it had hit the court first. Very sad Draper showed bad character only matched by JG not thinking sportsmanship should belong in sport at the highest level.
Agreed that is why there are officials because the amount of high integrity players are few.
Most players criticizing Draper but I don’t think very many players would have done anything different from Draper.
Only players that would have conceded that point would be Nadal, mature Djoker, and FAA
Officials are there to correct the cheating that exists in most of those players
i guarantee you if the shoe was on the other foot Felix would have definitely conceded the point as would have Carlos, Novak and a lot of other players that are known for their sportsmanship. Sadly a very bad look for Drqper and he has lost my respect.
I don't think you can be that sure that Draper knew. Honestly.
@@Tuzzz94 100%...I have seen many players agree with me and Rennae Stubbs said it best. you should check it out
It's your point of view,not necessary it happened same way
I am making a case for Jack here that he could have actually been honest because I'm seeing too many commenters pretending to know for sure that Jack was acting. I am not sure if he was, but if he was, then this is the case that he was indeed being honest.
1: What we can see from the screenshot of the moment Jack hits the ball, is that he probably isn't looking at the ball, as he indeed claimed he wasn't. He is not tilting his head downwards, and I don't think from the head position you can (clearly) see whether or not the ball hit the ground or not. And that aligns with him claiming he didn't see it.
2: He probably would have known that the ball hit the frame of the racket, but that doesn't mean he knows whether or not the ball initially bounced from the inside of the frame of the racked or the outside of it (in other words, whether or not the ball goes down or up right after hitting).
3: For whatever reason people are claiming that Jack's request to replay the point right after is somehow evidence that he knew that the ball hit the ground, but honestly, this just seems like confirmation bias to those already suspecting that he was acting. In fact, I fail the see the logic why Jack would say something like that at all if he was truly dead-set on winning the match. If you are dead-set on winning the match even through unsportsmanlike means, then why would you offer in the first place offer to replay the point if the umpire had already spoken out it's verdict? Then the best strategy would seem to just shut up, and when being confronted by Felix about it say something like: "Hey I'm not sure what happened, but ultimately it's the umpire's call".
To me, it shows that Jack suspected that it may have hit the floor even right after the point, but that he didn't really know it for sure.
4: For what it's worth, Jack seemed truly genuine to me. He didn't come across to me as someone who was all just making an act. It bothers me that so many people are so cynical so quickly regarding the honesty of others. More than that: It bothers me even moreso that people are cynical to the degree that they seem to have already made up their mind about the idea that Jack would've acted all of this, when in reality it's just a bit of a murky and uncertain situation where pretending you are sure about one way or the other is foolishness because you truly CAN'T be sure!
5: Even if at some level he knew that the ball hit the ground first, the desire to win can cloud your judgement. Your emotions are so involved in wanting to win, it is literally possible to unconsciously convince yourself that you didn't know for sure when if this happened in a practice match, it would have been clear to you that the ball indeed hit the floor.
In other words: It is possible that Jack was bullshitting himself rather than everyone else. If you tell others a lie when you have convinced yourself in the heat of the moment that it is the truth, then is it even a lie? After all, in order to lie you have to know that what you are saying is not the truth. If you believe an untruth to be the truth and express that as such, then it is simply a delusion rather than a lie.
I don't think Jack Draper did anything wrong. These brutal anonymous RUclips comments are of course totally inappropriate and unfair, but I'm afraid they simply reflect the aggressive mentality and bloodthirst in our society.
I hope there will be a meticulous investigation so we will eventually have some definitive answers.
It is no replay. AA won the point.
It's not only the trajectory of the ball that was off - it's also the sound that should have made this a no-brainer. A ricochet down into the ground makes a very distinct sound on the bounce, which is why Felix immediately went to the deuce side and didn't even chase the ball down. Draper could have conceded the point and it would have been a classy move.
Thank you both, great comments.
I don't know my ass. Shame on you Jack. And shame on the empire because it was just in front of him, and his main function is to see objectively what is happening on the court. And shame on not having technology at hand to avoid such miscalls and put both, the umpire and the players is such position, when it can be easily avoided.
No, you don't know if Jack is being dishonest here. He could be truthful. Stop pretending like you know for sure. It's not like you can look in his head and step in his shoes and experience everything that he experienced.
You can only suspect he was being dishonest, but not know for sure
Why not give the point to Felix, he was the one it was stolen from. But even a replay would have been fairer. Draper when you look at the picture, he saw where he was hitting!
Good on you JG for calling out Draper. Going into the video , you guys being British , I thought maybe you’ll give Draper a pass but you didn’t and that shows your fairness. ❤
No replay the point its was Felix’s ! Sort of believe Jack didn’t know for sure, but because of that he should have conceded the point. No excuse for umpire.
JG, never forget. But if you do sometimes, i have to remind you again, Novak Djokovic is the GOAT 😂
He knew. Jacks ambition. I understand. He can apologize and all good. He is a young man
Point to Felix of course! And Draper knew!!! For sure! At that level they know!!!!!!!!!! So ok he won … is just not fair and his reaction was from someone who knows.. he just decided to go with it!
Nah you don't know that he knew. Stop pretending like you do.
It would have been good to have gone through it frame by frame, haven't seen this level of analysis anywhere. Still not sure whether the ball hit the ground first - definitely not as clear cut as most people seem to think. For those questioning Draper's reaction - players react in different ways to an unclean shot, he wasn't sure hence why he offered to play the point again. Its hardly evidence "he knew 100%", even pros don't play this kind of shot on a regular basis so its understandable in the heat of the moment that he's unsure. Seems a bit unreasonable to expect Draper to concede a match point, when there's any doubt involved - the umpire and the supervisors clearly thought otherwise. Felix was a fair distance away from the ball so hard to see he could be so convinced.
It has been shown ( you tube - possibly tennis tv) from an angle where you could see clearly the ball hitting the frame of the racket and then bouncing up and forward . In any case the physics is simple and you do not get the ball rotation , trajectory and bounce on the other side that has been seen , if it would have been a volley . Felix knows it , Draper knows it . Moreover, at a certain level you are conscious of what happened . A fortiori, at pro level . Draper knew , and now every player on the tour . Everybody makes mistakes . Wish him good luck . Chapeau to FAA , who showed great professionalism .
@@DenisTurcot-p8e Having seen it again in slow mo, Jack appears to hit the shot as a legitimate half volley albeit a double hit. The ball seems to hit the court first, hits the racket twice (which is fair - double hits are allowed if its a continuous swing). I don't see the ball hitting his racket first - the racket is positioned behind the ball when it first hits the court. The ball doesn't hit the court a second time as far as I can see
Draper knew. Shame on him.
Please could you restructure your podcast so the first half is solely Ben and the second half left to JG so the discerning tennis fan can get on with their lives half way through ?
hahahahah. stop picking on JG. wihtout him on this video, i doubt if you would even pay attention, moreso finish it. BTW, Ben you're still my favorite 😍
@@lexi6693 👍🏻
I think Draper should have given the point to Felix. But ultimately there has to be video replays at all matches, otherwise we will have more incidents like this. It’s not good for the sport.
It is unforgivable that the Umpire makes such ridiculous mistakes even when there is a hawk eye to verify it. Why didn't Felix call for a review ??
The bigger question is why there's need for Umpire and linesman when there's hawk eye 😂😂😂
Wise up, it's not unforgivable, it's a mistake and easy to spot with the benefit of 100 slowed down replays, advocate for video review yes but to call it unforgivable is just nonsense
@@cgh08443 Why not refer to hawk eye if you are not sure ??
no mistake
Obvious? the umpire was right
Draper knew fully well (if all of us are honest) from his emotions and he should have asked for the point to be replayed.
I watched the Draper match and I am sorry to see that a brilliant match he played was ruined by this controversy. Draper played short and clean service games,but Felix played long service games and was hanging in there by a thread. You had the feeling Draper would have won anyway.I think they were both tired and confused,at some point Draper didn't know the score. Overall,it's the umpire's call,there is no technology,the umpire decides.
The comment he made on Fritz match "I also thought it was out, but i couldn't call it" is literally the STUPIDEST thing an umpire could ever done 🤦🏻♂️
I am getting massively irritated by all the people who claim that they know for sure that Draper knew for sure that the ball bounced on the ground. As if you can truly know for sure. As if you can experience exactly what Jack experienced. You can SUSPECT Jack was lying, you can feel confident he was lying or acting, but you can NOT KNOW for sure he was! Stop pretending you can know with absolute certainty! You are all being foolish by trying to be certain about something in a world where almost nothing can be known with absolute certainty (on a philosophical level, at the very least).
I suspect actually that Jack was telling the truth, but I readily admit that I do now KNOW that with certainty. All of your arguments as to why jack would have known is NOT conclusive evidence!
I agree,because there is no evidence that Jack knew. He was so confused that night that at some point he didn't know the score. I would like to add that he showed great sportsmanship during a very close match with Thanasi in Madrid this year. I would also say that he was basically called a liar in an indirect manner by his opponent,so. Anyways,people's favorite sport is criticism from their sofa. Pathetic.
You know if youbplay tennis at this level, and second he was already going back to the service line after that
Therefore a replay would have been the correct call.
Great Smash Carrrrlitooo! I would like to see the slow motion
Best racket break ever , love you JG!
It’s such a dubious image, there’s no way of telling if the ball hit his racquet or the ground first. It looked to me like the ball bounced onto the top edge of the bottom of Draper’s frame and shanked off onto the net cord, and dribbled over. A freak shot, but a fair one. Even with the footage I don’t think the umpire would have grounds to overturn the call!
seems those who played deeper at the Olympics are suffering at Cinci both WTA and ATP- why has the surface been sped up? Is that to give US players more chance (conspiracy theory)? Alcaraz had a temper before going pro but JCF reigned it in. I don´t think they´ve had enough rest time and as you said the surface change is so dramatic. I hope Draper doesn´t get put off by the match point controversy - all players have had some lucky points in their careers - and equally unlucky ones. Draper did offer to play the point again but the umpire had already made his decision - no going back!
It was double toch there are videos on X Draper is a weasle, Carlos was playing good but Monfils played very high level and it is ok Carlos to smash rackets better than keep inside of self Carlos Serbia love you ❤❤
As you said the umpire was right in front of it! The same umpire is doing this and it’s him messing up people’s play for whatever reason. People do make mistakes but too many too quick when he is not new at this. They are not supposed to be respected if they are being unfair continually.
As a Djokovic fan, I kind of think it might be better for him to be the 3 seed rather than the 2 seed for the US Open draw. If he’s the 2 seed, he is guaranteed to be on the opposite half from Sinner, with a 50/50 chance of Alcaraz being on his half. If he’s the 3 seed, he is guaranteed to be on the opposite half from Alcaraz, with a 50/50 chance of Sinner being on his half. I think the 3 seed is more advantageous. What do you guys think? 👊
Knowing the history of rigged draws at the USO, I can bet 100% that Carlos will be on the same side as Novak no matter the ranking order.
It doesn't matter they should be afraid of Novak
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Nole will get the easiest draw. He always does.
this is what we should talking about and complaining, not about breaking rackets thats silly , now .supervisor they do nothing as always , its outrageous what happened , draper knew the ball hit the floor first , but now allowing the replay in slow motion is ridiculous , why allow a call stay if it's wrong, we never know if they outcome wouldve been different ,
The change of balls at this time of the year takes some getting used to as well as the court speed. The balls for me is perhaps the biggest factor- I have my favourites, and some I really hate.
Draper is lier. He knows.
…point to Filex! 🎾
Draper shouldn't be held accountable for the incident. Even if FAA expects him to recognize the sound of a racket hitting the surface, it's unfair to fault him for it. He has requested a replay of the shot and the point. Playing two matches in a single day, it's unreasonable to expect them to be familiar with every sound a racket makes, especially in such a critical moment. The umpire is at fault in this situation (the same umpire during the Stefanos, Taylor and I'm not sure whether the Shapo match as well). After reviewing the match point multiple times, it's impossible to determine definitively whether the ball hit the surface or not, if it did, blame the umpire coz that's what he was paid for, to check stuff that can't be seen by people like most of us. It's unjust that Draper is bearing the brunt of the criticism. Point of the story, get something to validate what the players are arguing about. I agree with JG on this. the players should sit in their corner while it's being reviewed rather than debate on something that's clearly "unwinnable". Until they get something concrete, nothing can be done for the losing player.
Draper knows the shot was strange, but very few players would have done anything different. The only high integrity players that would have conceded that point are Rafa, mature Djoker, and FAA. That is why officials exist because the players will take any advantage they can get. That Official should have to give public apology to FAA, but should also be allowed to look at replay so that never happens again.
@@coachvctennis a lot to take on this controversy. Only the "none hateful " would take this matter constructively. I'm sure Draper will look back at this in the years to come and mostly likely regret that he didn't put his put down deeper than what I'm assuming FAA wants. Would FAA think back at this one and admit that he was a "bit" harsh on Draper? We'll never know. For this Umpire, good luck with his new job.
Draper is not watching the ball so he was right, he didnt see it. He also offered to replay the pount.
The umpire made an error but it's not the same as what happened in the Fritz match, that was due to a flawed ATP protocol, the umpire was just following the protocol which has subsequently been changed.
You are right on this. There was so much confusion last night,but umpire decides with naked eye. We have replays,he doesn't. Unfortunately,it happens from time to time.
@@Kate22178 Yep I'm not going to criticise the umpire, it's easy for everyone in their armchairs to spot with the benefit of slowed down replays. Hopefully this is the catalyst for video review to be implemented in these sorts of scenarios
Draper should have admitted he lost the point.My countrymen will back me. No fair play here, and you two say we can't give Felix the point. Draper is a weasel with weasells praising him
#1 ump blew the call, #2 we need video review, #3 Draper knew 100% and chose a 1/4 final spot over showing true sportsmanship, it looks very poor on Draper. He's young and will learn from his actions here.
Nah I don't think you can be so sure Draper knew. Why would he be the first one to suggest to get a replay if he would be so dead-set on winning the match at all costs?
@@Tuzzz94 he knew as he is aware that he didn't hit the ball to get that trajectory
That particular umpire always makes questionable calls
Yeah, it hits racquet first.
I don't see any issue with this shot. The ball appears to strike the court surface slightly before making contact with Drapers racket. Looks like a perfectly legitimate half-volley to me.
It was double toch and Draper is a weasle
Do you really know tennis rule? If so, you could see it!!
@@byunglee8291 yes i know tennis rules and that pictute is nothing on X you have video ball bounce once than second time and if Jack have sport spirit he have to say it not be a weasle
It clearly hit the racquet first then went off the ground then over the net. Felix’s point
@@GaryLyons Nope. It hit the court first then his racket. Even if they make contact simultaneously, still legit.
Draper did nothing wrong, its very hard to tell what happened from his pov, it all happens too fast and thw ball is very close to the ground. It could have been a mishit inside the frame and not a rebound off the floor from his pov. Why should he give away a match point just cause Felix is complaining?? Come on, he was the better player regardless.
since when better player always win? he knew as he is aware how he hit the ball and that trajectory is impossible to get. Anyway it is not his job to make decision but again it reflects very bad on him
It is normal for a brit to lie...
I don't see the ball hitting the floor twice.
It wasn't a double bounce, it was a ricochet off the racket into the floor. So just one bounce, but wrong sequence - ball hitting the racket and then the ground, not the other way round.
@@al1976-v7m ah, thanks !
The umpiring in tennis has deteriorated over the last few years.
Agree
About Alkaraz that's the Nole effect, first he takes your legs then he takes your soul
Goood niiight 😂
Nole took his soul. But yet Alcaraz has 2 slams this year? Ok then. 🤔
Carlos has more slams then novax at the same age
Good night
And Botic wins thanks to Novak taking Alakaraz's legs and soul
Goooog niiight
Draper was willing to replay the point, that’s why I don’t understand the final decision at all. Like what 🫥
He was, but he was leaving it up to the umpire. Plus, once an umpire has called the score, in this case even "Game, Set & Match", he can't reverse it anymore, according to the current rules.
Jack Draper knew full well that it was FAA’s point. As Federer pointed out against Berdych the trajectory of the ball shows it had hit the court first. Very sad Draper showed bad character only matched by JG not thinking sportsmanship should belong in sport at the highest level.