Oblivion's REMOVED and LOST City: Sutch - Lore, History and Ruins EXPLAINED

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  • Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
  • In today's video, we discuss the long thought about and curiously removed tenth city in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Sutch. Sutch was supposed to be an extra playable main city along with the other that are already in the game. It was located North of Anvil and Northeast of Kvatch, fairly close to the border of Hammerfell. It even had its own county called County Sutch that saw it governing over much land to the Northeast. In this lore and historical video, we discuss little bits of evidenced left in the game from Bethesda, proving Sutch's existence. We also discuss how during the E3 Demo in 2005 for Oblivion, Sutch can be seen on the map and on the title screen. We discuss what's left of the main city, Fort Sutch. Then we go in depth about its history and we end off with speculation as to what NPCs, shops, guild factions and quests could have been involved in the city of Sutch.
    Massive thank you to the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Wiki for the source material of all of the evidence and lore involved with Sutch.
    #elderscrolls #oblivion #lore #gaming

Комментарии • 207

  • @christianalexandermarion
    @christianalexandermarion 11 месяцев назад +76

    the fact this was made 4 days ago in 2023 brings a tear to the eye 🥲 a happy tear. The legacy of a masterpiece. Thank you for sharing your findings.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +13

      Thank you for the support! I’m here for the lore and the analyses on this wonderful game! Even after 17 years!

  • @DarkLOREDash
    @DarkLOREDash 11 месяцев назад +20

    Sutch a disappointment it is gone. Great vid!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +6

      Thank you for the support! I’ve been watching your content for awhile now! Huge inspiration for the channel!

    • @paladinkhan
      @paladinkhan Месяц назад +1

      Dark Lore Dash and yourself are my oblivion content libraries

  • @HansWurst1569
    @HansWurst1569 11 месяцев назад +29

    I think when Todd mentioned the 9 mayor cities they didnt count Kvatch, as it was always going to be destroyed. And there was no or never has been found any cut content around Kvatch. But maybe I’m missing something.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +5

      That’s the leading theory I’ve been reading so far as well! They certainly left minimal bread crumbs of Sutch around the game, it’s mostly the E3 Demo that has everyone wondering where it went!

  • @ImperialKnowledge
    @ImperialKnowledge 5 месяцев назад +6

    You are going to love this, I recently had the opportunity to play an early build of the ESO chapter (Gold Road) and I tried to make my way to fort Sutch. And guess what. There is a town there! I immediately thought of this video as I found it hah!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  5 месяцев назад

      That’s so awesome! I hope it was everything that was promised for oblivion! 😂 how was the early play through?

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ABardsBallad They only allowed around 30 minutes of playtime, half of it was spent in Skingrad and the other half I spent sprinting across the land to see if Sutch was a place. I didnt really manage to get anything tangible other than that Skingrad looks interesting (Seems to be only half built) and that Sutch is a place. And that I was very confused by some of the landscapes (which are under some sort of curse as they said in the trailers). It seems to be a smaller town tho, not a city, so its definitely not going to be what was suggested for oblivion. But hey, they at least aknowledged it.

  • @Sleeepy23
    @Sleeepy23 11 месяцев назад +116

    Hey, this might sound weird. But, I appreciate your clear voice and pronunciation! A lot of videos about gaming and games that I like are made by people with an annoying sounding voice, or they mispronounce all the names. You are doing a really good job here!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +24

      Thank you for the support! I really appreciate it! I can’t tell you how many times I re-record lines to make sure it sounds correct and clear! 😂

    • @camerondodge98
      @camerondodge98 11 месяцев назад +4

      i second this, you narrated very well

    • @pinoarias8601
      @pinoarias8601 11 месяцев назад +5

      Is his pronunciation of Boethiah correct tho??

    • @tacoforces4234
      @tacoforces4234 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@pinoarias8601 it's not xD blud probably never played Skyrim, ESO or Legends where it's pronounced BoEthia million times

    • @babyatemydingo574
      @babyatemydingo574 11 месяцев назад +1

      I ain't him, but it doesn't sound weird to me. I HATE shitty audio. Even if the material is top-notch, if the audio is garbage, I can't listen to it.

  • @emeraldkoala2
    @emeraldkoala2 11 месяцев назад +29

    It's always interesting to me how developers of these game worlds explain pieces of cut content in-universe through lore in later entries.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +6

      Yes it’s very interesting! Likely because in the previous games they mentioned Sutch and that’s why they had to keep it in ESO as well as have brief mention of it in Oblivion!

  • @RedPrincexDESx
    @RedPrincexDESx 10 месяцев назад +4

    It's certainly not so that people could say "There's no Sutch place."

  • @saalok
    @saalok 11 месяцев назад +44

    Sutch's changing hands from Hammerfell to Cyrodiil is not terribly surprising, the same thing happened to Falkreath, but it went from Cyrodiil to Skyrim.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +7

      Yes! I think given it’s proximity to the border, Sutch could have most definitely been under Hammerfell’s Jurisdiction at some point in time!

    • @DiocletianLarius
      @DiocletianLarius 11 месяцев назад +1

      Also Dragonstar during the War of the Bend'r-mahk, and Lilmoth and probably many parts of southern Morrowind after the An-Xileel rise and Accession war.
      Tamriel's borders during the 4th era are probably a mess😅

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 8 месяцев назад

      The Warp in the West.

  • @Slop_Dogg
    @Slop_Dogg 11 месяцев назад +13

    Oblivion was such a magical game. Still is. The soundtrack is so serene.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +3

      It’s definitely my favourite Elder Scrolls game to this day!

  • @eraylott1407
    @eraylott1407 11 месяцев назад +26

    I’ve thought for a while it’d have been cool to have had a ruined temple of Kynareth being reclaimed by the wild, what with her being associated with nature

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +3

      That’s a pretty sweet idea! I’m surprised they never did anything to bring the one missing temple / chapel into the game! Even DLC!

    • @birdybird712
      @birdybird712 4 месяца назад

      Yes, interesting. In the KoTN dlc you have to go to a coven or grotto that’s dedicated to Kynareth. Perhaps they made this as a workaround for a missing temple in Such?

  • @ImperialKnowledge
    @ImperialKnowledge 11 месяцев назад +16

    Cool I had no idea about Sutch’s backstory. Very good work! Subbed!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for the support! I really appreciate it! It really is fascinating to think of how Sutch could have changed the game or what new things we would’ve seen!

  • @anauthenticapple3974
    @anauthenticapple3974 11 месяцев назад +16

    Oblivion doesn't have enough cool lore and cut content videos. Another great video

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      This one was tons of fun to study on and learn more about! Definitely one of my favourites to make!

    • @TheSocratesofAthens
      @TheSocratesofAthens 11 месяцев назад

      Because it did so much right.

  • @T1ttyLedz
    @T1ttyLedz 11 месяцев назад +14

    I think the issue with oblivion was they changed so much lore wise, from jungle to common medieval fantasy.. I imagine while being the least worked on
    I do wonder if we get hammerfell sutch turns up as a reference
    Oblivions sutch was destroyed and the people moved into hammerfell as they had more ties with those who lived in hammerfell, and with the time between oblivion, skyrim and ES6 it could be explained easily

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! It definitely seems like a lot changed from Morrowind to Oblivion, then from Skyrim to Oblivion was pretty crazy! Your absolutely right that if TES6 takes places in Hammerfell, they would have an easy way of explaining what happened to Sutch!

  • @DiocletianLarius
    @DiocletianLarius 11 месяцев назад +10

    A shame we didn't get to see the city at it's glory, being so close to Hammerfell it probably had a heavy Redguard influence (kinda like Cheydinhal with Morrowind) and I personally really like Redguard culture and architecture. I was marveled the first time I entered Sentinel in TES: Daggerfall, with its huge palace and golden domes.
    It may seem weird to have that desert-like architecture on a more "greener" biome, but we had real life examples of that (as in, for example, Umayyad Spain) and those were beautiful
    Also great vid! I'm gonna sub just for the Oblivion content :p

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for the support! I appreciate it! The aesthetics for the lost city could have been very interesting to see!

  • @Jew1469
    @Jew1469 10 месяцев назад +6

    When they said 9 cities in the trailer, I think they meant 9 usable cities. Kvatch is dead when the game starts, and is naught but a ruin, and not a usable city.

  • @JGCO115
    @JGCO115 9 месяцев назад +5

    Not too long ago I found out Skyrim had a cut town in the Falkreath Hold called "Granite Hill" it was cut but it's still mentioned between Jarl Sinding and his stewardess Nenya. It must have been cut late in development cause the area where it was supposed to be is now a dragon burial mound, but the ingame local map still calls it granite hill.

  • @colinanderson6069
    @colinanderson6069 9 месяцев назад +4

    So thankful for your oblivion content, this game is one of the few things my older brother were able to bond with. This game, its lore and soundtrack keep me at peace. Keep going my friend!

  • @adamniehaus5835
    @adamniehaus5835 11 месяцев назад +5

    A new channel focusing on lore videos of my favorite elder scrolls entry? Sign me the heck up

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for the support! Oblivion is definitely my favourite entry too and I’m excited to learn and share more lore quests and glitches! 😁

  • @multigamer856
    @multigamer856 11 месяцев назад +20

    Oh! I never knew about this. But I kinda understand. Fort Sutch always has an Oblivion gate appearing nearby after Dagon shrine quest and it's one of those fixed gates that always appears there. I was wondering why, but now it makes perfect sense! I like your Oblivion content and I love Oblivion, got my sub!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! Look forward to making new content to share with everyone! :)

    • @codymcgrath2.3bviews3secon7
      @codymcgrath2.3bviews3secon7 11 месяцев назад

      There’s always a cool battle there between legion soldiers too

  • @pandorasbox4238
    @pandorasbox4238 8 месяцев назад +3

    Sutch was a big city that started as a fort. It was bigger than Leyawin, if I recall correctly, or similar in size.

  • @Waddlethewarrior
    @Waddlethewarrior 11 месяцев назад +3

    Maybe Tod says 9 major cities as he knows Kvatch is ruined already and therefore is not in the same group as the still functioning, alive cities?

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! I think that might be the leading theory so far that I’ve been reading!

  • @albertcapley6894
    @albertcapley6894 11 месяцев назад +5

    I always thought they went with 9 cities for the 9 divines myself, and it completely slipped my notice all these years that Sutch is in the loading graphic. One mystery that I still crave an answer for is why there are so many roads that don't go anywhere in oblivion, it feels like there were a lot of locations cut from the final game, maybe there were more small towns or Abbeys than we finally got? And why are none of the smaller roads on the map FR, there's an entire procession of steps and trails leading to hermaeus mora shrine, with road signs, but no indication of any of it on the map. There is a haunted air to the province of Cyrodil, too many trails petering out in the middle.of nowhere and empty buildings for it not to be a little spooky, maybe unintentionally but I love it.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +3

      This is a super thought provoking comment! I never thought about all the dead end roads and trails! If Bethesda cut out Sutch, I’m definitely willing to believe they cut out a bunch more smaller settlements too!

    • @WK-47
      @WK-47 10 месяцев назад +2

      World maps are often designed early on in the process, I suppose because it's a starting point for so many design aspects (certain artists, writers, level designers). So much changes during the dev cycle that it's simply not worth constantly updating high-quality renders of things like world maps unless there's a major change.
      When it comes to Bethesda specifically, it has a track record with this. Fallout 3 has the world map in-game as a prop (in the Brotherhood HQ) that's the same image as the one in the UI, just a different version of it. New Vegas (I know, different devs, but they had to work with the same tools) has discrepancies like TES4 does, especially roads that don't appear on the world map or vice versa.
      Every game has cut content, but these ones have tons. There are too many discrepancies to account for all the quirks of the world map vs. the actual worldspace, though. I bet at least some instances were simply an artist going "I'm thinking this road goes along here, then off there..." early on, then a bunch of stuff gets added to a whiteboard in the office, then before the team's done half of what they wanted to do, suddenly they only have a few months till release just to try fixing what's already in the game.
      If you wanna see how deep the rabbit hole really goes, look up how the map of Tamriel has changed with every game. That stuff is less "huh, game design is chaotic" and more "I don't know what to believe any more". You can also see from older maps that Cyrodiil has more major towns than it does now, even within the modern borders, that either became villages/ruins in TES4 or just disappeared.
      tl;dr: it's partly down to cut content, partly down to old lore getting twisted to fit the design of the new game, and partly down to human error.
      P.S. Nine cities for nine Divines kinda is and isn't true at the same time. Todd and co. must've known Kvatch's chapel would've been ruined early on in development, then after Sutch got the cut, it was a sort of happy accident to go nine for nine... if you just ignore the Imperial City with an amazing statue to Akatosh and not even a single priest/monk/worshipper around.
      Yeah, TES4 is flawed and broken and ridiculous, and I love it.

  • @cassius42
    @cassius42 5 месяцев назад +2

    This channel is totally underrated

  • @Jimbow-sz9kh
    @Jimbow-sz9kh 11 месяцев назад +6

    Gonna mod the city into the game. Gonna make it as detail packed as Imperial City is. Brb I'll link it when its done

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂 I like it!

    • @unkwn6741
      @unkwn6741 Месяц назад

      Hey you get that done?

    • @Jimbow-sz9kh
      @Jimbow-sz9kh Месяц назад +1

      @@unkwn6741 no sorry I decided to move onto more pressing projects such as transitioning into a female

    • @unkwn6741
      @unkwn6741 Месяц назад

      @@Jimbow-sz9kh bruh idgaf

    • @irisinthedarkworld
      @irisinthedarkworld 8 часов назад

      @Jimbow-sz9kh valid

  • @shiny1556
    @shiny1556 11 месяцев назад +6

    Really cool video. I found out about Sutch via the Beyond Skyrim progress report videos and it was interesting to hear about. Didn’t know there was so much detail tied to it, especially well after Oblivion released.
    Your Boethiah pronunciation threw me for a loop though haha

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for the support! Yeah they definitely did a lot with Sutch and hopefully one day we’ll get to see it in a game!
      😂😂😂 it was my first time coming across it’s name, I definitely should’ve looked up how to pronounce beforehand 😂 I was too confident in myself

  • @laylatheplaya6518
    @laylatheplaya6518 3 месяца назад +1

    I am currently in Sutch; It's overwhelmed by Vampires. Although this is in the West Weald of Elder Scrolls Online from the Gold Road Chapter. But Sutch does exist before the timeline of Oblivion starts place and it was destroyed between ESO and Oblivion.

  • @RaineAsteria
    @RaineAsteria 9 месяцев назад +2

    Just found your channel. Time to binge.

  • @HALPCat
    @HALPCat 11 месяцев назад +7

    This is a really well made video, definitely didn't expect this when I clicked on it. You deserve more subscribers

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! I appreciate the kind words! :)

  • @buhbuhjaychampagne1706
    @buhbuhjaychampagne1706 Месяц назад +1

    Sutch was to have the second Fighter’s Guild questline, not Anvil. In one line of text it talks about meeting Azzan in Sutch or gro-Khash in Cheydinhal for contracts.

  • @spacemanspiff6332
    @spacemanspiff6332 11 месяцев назад +3

    If you have oblivion for PC you can download one of a few mods that add Sutch into the game. Theres also mods to allow the player to rebuild Kvatch.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      The mod would be really cool to have installed and see what people have come up with!

  • @ryanocallaghan8833
    @ryanocallaghan8833 12 дней назад

    In the 2005 demo, the icon for Fort Sutch can already be seen in the centre of Sutch on the map. Combined with the fact that Todd stated there would be 9 major cities in total, I think this means it was already cut at this point, but they had not yet removed the city from the world map.

  • @ytwyvern4240
    @ytwyvern4240 3 месяца назад

    Something to note, digging in the game files: Azzan, the Guild Hall Leader in Anvil, was originally going to be in Sutch instead. In a quest log, it's said that you should return to Azzan in Sutch.

  • @thomasshirley318
    @thomasshirley318 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm glad someone is still making content on this game

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! All these years and it’s still an amazing game to come back to!

  • @noviomega15
    @noviomega15 11 месяцев назад +3

    Very Cool video. Looking forward to new stuff by you.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the support! I’m looking forward to putting more videos out there as well!

  • @nyxi6689
    @nyxi6689 11 месяцев назад +3

    I want a video about Stros Makai. I know it's not in Oblivion, but it's such an interesting place with a deep history. The once proud capital of Hammerfell to a pirate den.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      It can certainly be done! As long as there’s info on it anything is possible!

  • @Koniferous
    @Koniferous 10 месяцев назад +2

    This video is fantastic! Thank you for making it

  • @paladinkhan
    @paladinkhan Месяц назад

    Interesting stuff! Theres some other notable changes with the map shown in the title screen and the actual map we see in game.

  • @xBOBALUx
    @xBOBALUx 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had never heard about this. It was Sutch a suprise!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Bethesda did their best at trying to hide it but there’s definitely some bread crumbs out there!

  • @swordguardia
    @swordguardia 11 месяцев назад +3

    This was highly informative, you have gained a sub!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the support! :) looking forward to sharing more content with everyone!

  • @cootyshot
    @cootyshot 11 месяцев назад +3

    Great vid!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support!

  • @Komotau4691
    @Komotau4691 10 месяцев назад +3

    Sutch a informative video :D

  • @diegorivera985
    @diegorivera985 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great in depth video for an old game. You got my sub

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! After all these years I’m glad to see there’s still a large fan base on RUclips for the Oblivion content!

  • @alexandermiller6583
    @alexandermiller6583 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great video, I didn’t even know sutch was a town. Been playing this game since 2009 lol. Keep it up bro!!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! It’s some really interesting lore and it would have been so cool to see and roam around the city!

  • @LolBlox69
    @LolBlox69 11 месяцев назад +1

    YESS!!!! I can never get enough lore about my favourite elder scrolls.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Glad you liked it! :) definitely my favourite Elder Scrolls game too! The lore is too fascinating!

  • @qvcybe
    @qvcybe 10 месяцев назад +2

    as someone who played skyrim first i actually like having to find the citys first before fast traveling

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  10 месяцев назад

      It is more rewarding feeling for sure!

    • @qvcybe
      @qvcybe 10 месяцев назад

      @@ABardsBallad very much so it also makes me more likely to actually explore the town to see if i unlock any other spots to travel

  • @NegativeDumpster
    @NegativeDumpster 11 месяцев назад +4

    About Todd's comment on the "nine major cities." He could've been referring to all of the major cities at the time, along with Sutch - but _not Kvatch._ See, Kvatch is little more than a smoking hole in the ground by the time the game starts; so, its current status as a "major city" is questionable at best. So, while he technically should've said _ten_ cities, for all intents and purposes (as far as things like quests and factions go), there were only nine cities, when speaking in terms of actual gameplay.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      That’s a very fair point! He totally could’ve been talking in terms of Kvatch already being destroyed! That’s an interesting angle to look at it from!

  • @erdinc2590
    @erdinc2590 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'd love similar cut content videos on other TES games as well my man. Subbed for these type of content!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      I definitely would love to make those videos too! Thank you for the support!

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt 11 месяцев назад +1

    I heard of this city from the mod project related to Morrowind and RUclips recommended me to this video.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      That’s pretty convenient! 😂 some mods would definitely be able to bring this city back to life!

  • @ninjanyangaming2924
    @ninjanyangaming2924 11 месяцев назад +2

    Not having this city in game really is “Sutch” a disappointment. :P

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      😂 I like it! It really is a shame though!

  • @seakelp3508
    @seakelp3508 11 месяцев назад +2

    What if the city of Sutch is Meridia's city that was moved to Coldharbor and became the Hollow City in ESO.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +2

      That’s a very interesting angle! It could definitely be something to look further into!

  • @ImperialKnowledge
    @ImperialKnowledge 4 месяца назад +2

    Tommorow I am uploading a video on what happened to Sutch in the second era (I got through some of ESO Gold Road). Im going to link this video to viewers if you are okay with that, going like "if you want to know more about the background of Sutch and its removal from oblivion, watch this excellent video by Bards Ballad". Is that okay?

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  4 месяца назад

      Absolutely! That sounds like an amazing video! I’ll be watching it for sure! :) you can link whatever you’d like my friend! All good with me!

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge 4 месяца назад

      @@ABardsBallad thank you! This is one of my favorite videos of yours so I’d love to plug it in

  • @ruinvixi
    @ruinvixi 11 месяцев назад +2

    Same deal with helgen in skyrim, would have been cool to see them rebuilt

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! It would’ve been amazing to see these 2 cities in full action!

  • @cstains5543
    @cstains5543 11 месяцев назад +2

    Or Sutch was a true border city where it was supposed to be a cross river city when they wrote the lore. Half in Hammerfell, half in the Imperial Province.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Maybe! That would be really interesting if they did that! I’d love to see it done like that in a game one day!

  • @zun-viik
    @zun-viik 11 месяцев назад +1

    Do Not Cite the Deep Magic to Me, Witch

  • @RealUlrichLeland
    @RealUlrichLeland 11 месяцев назад +3

    Given that TES 6 is very strongly hinted to be set in Hammerfell it's possible we'll get a lore explanation for Sutch's disappearance.

    • @bierwolf8360
      @bierwolf8360 11 месяцев назад

      how is TES 6 hinted to be in Hammerfell?

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      It’d be really cool to be able to finally get to see and explore the city if it was set in Hammerfell!

    • @semicolon4452
      @semicolon4452 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@bierwolf8360 generally, the game prior gets a questline associated with the game next: morrowwind had a cult who were scared of an incoming daedric invasion. in skyrim, we have the alikir warriors and the thalmor questline. hammerfell is the only region to have resisted the thalmor invasion, which makes it a good setting for a continuation of the thalmor plot.

    • @bierwolf8360
      @bierwolf8360 11 месяцев назад

      @@semicolon4452 I have heard people cite the Alik'r quest as a hint. Seems a rather unreliable indicator. I tried to find that Morrowind quest you mentionend but couldn't find anything the like. Finally, he said "strongly hinted". so I expect a bit more than this. When it comes to the story and setting of the next game, there are many things to consider. First and foremost, any decisions made by the player in Skyrim shouldn't be able to matter. That could be achieved twofold: a time jump or coming up with some explanation as to why all decisions led to the same outcome in a non-disrespectful way (mainly concerns the civil war). Seeing as most people expect TES VI to be centered around a second Great War and Bethesda probably wanting to meet fan expectations somewhat, it might indeed not be the time jump option. That would almost definetly rule out Skyrim as the next setting. It would be odd if they pivoted to make the Thalmor anything but the bad guys, hence why they'd probably strike first and thus we can conclude the setting would be Cyrodiil, Hammerfell or High Rock.
      However, the only actual information about TES VI we have is the trailer video. I maintain that the trailer cannot have been set in Hammerfell. Analyzing the video, the sun is clearly over the sea, on the right. Most people that state Hammerfell will claim the video shows the northern coast of Hammerfell. If that were true, the sun would be in the north - which it never is. It's physically impossible. Further, the sun hangs rather low in the sky and casts long shadows, indicating this is either dusk or dawn. Thus it isn't a south coast either. Finally, in the clip, we see seagulls flying towards the ocean. They do that in the morning, not in the evening as they need to be able to see stuff. Thus, it's the morning sun which is in the east. We have identified the coast as being an east coast.
      There are several places on Tamriel with an east coast, of course. Let's go down the list: Black Marsh: has a long east coast, but it's swampy and foresty. Quite unlike the trailer. Also, from what we know, it's a very unsuitable place for non-Argonians. It also wouldn't tie into the Thalmor business.
      Morrowind: the southern east coast is described as "practically Argonia", while the Telvanni peninsula is rather dry with treacherous cliffs. Maybe that's it. I doubt it though. Most of the place was destroyed, after all. Plus, why?
      Cyrodiil: specifically the Niben. Unlikely? Very. The area around Leyawin is green and fertile - and flat. Plus, while it's a wide river, it's not so wide we wouldn't be able to see the other bank. So, probably not Cyrodiil.
      Summerset Isles: Described as very green and fertile. It doesn't seem like what's in the trailer, plus, it'd be weird given that most people now hate the Thalmor/Dominion/Altmer.
      Hammerfell: has a bit of an east coast on the southern peninsula of Hew's Bane. It appears in the ESO thieves guild DLC. It's described as an extremly hot and dry place. Maybe. It's not totally impossible but I just don't really buy it. Plus, same as with the Leyawin argument, we should be able to see land towards the north and east as it's a narrow bay. Plus, the town showcased would then be "Abah's Landing", which itself is set in a bay.
      High Rock: Finally, the one I actually think is the right answer. The Rivenspire in northern High Rock has an almost perfect east coast. It's a gloomy cold-dry place with coastal mountains. Its depicition in ESO matches the clip pretty well, I think. The town would be Northpoint.

    • @semicolon4452
      @semicolon4452 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@bierwolf8360solid analysis but the issue with this is that bethesda is entirely willing to change geography as they see fit (cf Cydrodil's jungles) so i dont think a geographic analysis will necessarily be correct

  • @Psychonau
    @Psychonau 11 месяцев назад +1

    i learned about the existance of sutch in a book in morrowind, i dont know the title anymore but it had a map in it from the empire and in cyrodiil there was a city named sutch

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! It’s really interesting how through our the rest of the games, we see little bread crumbs left over from the city of Sutch!

  • @GlobTheDabGlob
    @GlobTheDabGlob 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid my bro. First time playing any elder scrolls game was 2010 with oblivion?! Here I am a decade later still trying to get more lore.
    Keep it up! Voice, mic, and script are great. Up the time and maybe use some slightly clickbaity names for your thumbnails on vids and I’m sure you’ll expand, you deserve more views!
    Great job again dude. 🎉

    • @GlobTheDabGlob
      @GlobTheDabGlob 11 месяцев назад +1

      Also your direct references to characters, cities, locations etc is great. Keep it up and expand upon what you’re already doing Greta and I’m sure you’ll find more of your audience!
      TES crew is just speculating for about a decade now so I’m sure any lore is appreciated. :D
      Keep it up!

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support and I appreciate the kind words! :) the lore is just too interesting for this Universe! I look forward to being able to share more with everyone!

  • @liamtimberlake2402
    @liamtimberlake2402 26 дней назад

    Hey! I got recommended one of your latest videos and decided to go back and watch them all! Great work!
    Something I have a question about - you mentioned at the beginning that you can fast travel to all cities without needing to visit them. I remember on one playthrough, when I left the sewer, I immediately went into the Ayleid ruin across the water and when I exited that ruin, I couldn’t fast travel to any of the cities. Have you ever encountered that? It made me believe that the “being able to fast travel” was only available if you chose to do so right out of the sewer, and by not doing so you enable a sort of “hardcore” version where you can’t fast travel without visiting

  • @EmmaEmbla
    @EmmaEmbla 11 месяцев назад +1

    While Kvatch absolutely is a city in the world, it isn't really one in the game considering it's destroyed and acts more like a "dungeon" so Todd mentioning that there are 9 cities could very well still mean that Sutch was still planned at that point.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      That’s the leading theory I’ve been seeing at this point too! It certainly is plausible Todd no longer considered Kvatch a city!

  • @peytongonavy
    @peytongonavy 9 месяцев назад

    Todd misspoke when he said 9 major cities. Forgot the Imperial City. I just did the same thing by counting up to 8 and forgetting the Imperial City.
    I think they removed Sutch to retroactively make Todd's statement correct. 9 Cities. Didn't forget anything.

  • @EIA-Observer
    @EIA-Observer 11 месяцев назад +2

    Quality content, I enjoy a good lore channel. Sutch a shame they cut this content.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! 😂 I like it! It really is unfortunate to see the 10th city go though!

  • @afish2281
    @afish2281 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think it would be really cool if Sutch had something going on that made it get scrubbed from history, maybe censor what happened to it by building another town named Sutch.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  10 месяцев назад

      It would be interesting if they did a city remake!

  • @MichaelPeterson-g5h
    @MichaelPeterson-g5h 13 дней назад

    The reason the PC of Oblivion can fast travel to the Major cities Immediatly is because they're from Cyrodiil (never left) unlike the Dovakiin (Who border crossed from somewhere) and the Nerevarine (who was deported or exiled). Thats my Headcanon anyway.

  • @therecklesswarlock6439
    @therecklesswarlock6439 11 месяцев назад +2

    very well made video, im subing

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the support and the kind words! :)

  • @GideonF64.9
    @GideonF64.9 11 месяцев назад +1

    Nine cities kinda make sense as a number though, given the Nine Divines, no? Great video though ^^

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      It does make sense on that count! It’s just interesting that Kynareth doesn’t have a chapel dedicated to it!

  • @infernaldaedra
    @infernaldaedra 8 месяцев назад

    I believe Sutch is the victim of the dragonbreaks of Daggerfall and Morrowind specifically the Warp in the West it has been known to move places in time and had been known as different representations in that time. In short their is no Sutch without leaving the current prophesied timeline it exists in multiple places in multiple times as a result of the Elder Scrolls power. Lore into the futures of the Elder Scrolls means that the physical manifestation of the world can change with time and within the world canon.

  • @Passageofsky
    @Passageofsky 5 месяцев назад

    All of the cites designs follow the general look of the land most near-by, maybe Sutch had a unique 'Hammerfell' visual-style, oh well.

  • @burge117
    @burge117 10 месяцев назад +1

    Another banger 😊

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  10 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! :)

  • @Easyflux
    @Easyflux 10 месяцев назад +1

    Isn't Azzan from Anvil's fighters guild also supposed to be in Sutch? According to some fighters guild book/roster still in the game.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  10 месяцев назад +1

      You might be right! I’d have to take a look into it!

  • @galaxycraft0075
    @galaxycraft0075 2 месяца назад +1

    Only started playing around 2 months ago, but from when i heard about the knights of the nine, i assumed that each city represented one of them. Seems kinda stupid now

  • @ChrissieBear
    @ChrissieBear 11 месяцев назад +1

    3:00 more likely Kvatch wasn't considered a city. Since it doesn't function as one in the game.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! That’s likely the leading theory so far that I’m reading as to why he said 9!

  • @jesseh.5223
    @jesseh.5223 Месяц назад

    I don't think Kynnareth would suit an indoor chapel! I like her outdoor shrine in the Knights of the Nine DLC

  • @Game-pv5jx
    @Game-pv5jx 11 месяцев назад +1

    verry nice and refreshing video but maybe next time not use as many red circles they break the flow and i find them a bit distracting

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! Critique noted! :)

  • @PaganLad3121
    @PaganLad3121 9 месяцев назад

    This was elder scrolls at its peak. So much more content than skyrim, and i havent gotten to play much of morrowind. Definitely my favorite game of all time.

  • @Echosinfireify
    @Echosinfireify 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is crazy! I love it

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the support! :)

  • @kingjamesii404
    @kingjamesii404 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for support! 😁

  • @bongodroid
    @bongodroid 11 месяцев назад +1

    Although it indeed is mostly white, I consider Leyawiin´s guard the green one.. played hundreds of hours with that outfit.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      I agree with you actually! I was thinking the same when I saw their uniforms. My logic was based off of the main colours of clothing we see around Cyrodil mixed with what lesser main colour we don’t see on the uniforms! Plus there are a few cities with red as their uniforms so we see that Bethesda isn’t above rescuing some colours! Yet totally agree with you that Leyawiin likely represents green!

  • @ckmishn3664
    @ckmishn3664 9 месяцев назад +1

    Did you get East and West backwards throughout the entire video? You keep calling the top left of the map "Northeast". It seems really odd that there isn't already a comment pointing this out.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  9 месяцев назад

      You know what brother, I did and that was a great catch 😂 I am surprised no one else caught it! Cheers!

  • @ChrissieBear
    @ChrissieBear 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wait. Is this a repost? Im getting massive deja-vu.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      First time posting the video! :)

  • @UNIRockLIVE
    @UNIRockLIVE 11 месяцев назад +1

    Dude ur awesome

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      😂 Cheers! Thank you for the support!

  • @joekochinski5591
    @joekochinski5591 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oblivion was a great game but the cities lacked realism. They consisted of like 10 houses. Morrowind’s cities felt way more believable. Skyrim had the same problem as Oblivion but nowhere as bad

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! There was something about the cities in Oblivion that some of them feel more like small villages!

  • @rogerumberto6085
    @rogerumberto6085 11 месяцев назад +1

    C'mon now guys...
    There's no *Sutch* thing!
    This message is brought to you by the GucciMorrowindGang

  • @cancerbucket2245
    @cancerbucket2245 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think sutch was one of the 9 cities and kvatch was not counted becauze it gets so destoyed in the story

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes! I think that might be the leading theory right now!

  • @DarthSanguine
    @DarthSanguine 11 месяцев назад +1

    The J in Jorunn is pronounced as a Y, and Boethiah is pronounced Bo-eeth-ee-ah.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Yes! Working on the pronunciations! Will be corrected for the future!

  • @bobmac5223
    @bobmac5223 10 месяцев назад +1

    Dare i say it?
    Sutch a shame they didn’t add it…

  • @gar4206
    @gar4206 11 месяцев назад +1

    I always pronounced it "sooch" instead of "such"

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      😂😂 I like that one better! Adds more flair to the name!

  • @ctwells40
    @ctwells40 11 месяцев назад +1

    Love elder scrolls lore. Count me in

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for the support! It’s some of my favourite lore to learn about and tell stories of! :)

  • @testingprophecy
    @testingprophecy 11 месяцев назад +1

    Boy howdy should you check out what Project Tamriel is doing with Sutch then lol

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      I’ll have to check it out! I’ve heard a lot about Skyblivion working Sutch back in!

    • @testingprophecy
      @testingprophecy 11 месяцев назад

      @@ABardsBallad This is a mod for Morrowind - titled Project Tamriel. They are re-creating Cyrodil and Skyrim. If you look at the pics they have for Sutch...it's insane.

  • @nikosantos1172
    @nikosantos1172 11 месяцев назад +1

    i think skyblivion is gonna restore the city

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +1

      It’d be really cool to see that! Especially since it’s the fan base in control of it, we’ll get to see some true fan fair for it!

  • @joetheman74
    @joetheman74 10 месяцев назад +1

    Bow ee thee ahhhh not Bow thigh ahh

  • @mvrk4044
    @mvrk4044 10 месяцев назад +1

    sutch lore, very oblivion

  • @ARmax2474
    @ARmax2474 11 месяцев назад +1

    Dude really pronounced Boethiah as Bow-thiah. It’s Bow-ee-thiah

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад +2

      Yes! Learned that after making the video! Noted for next time!

    • @ARmax2474
      @ARmax2474 11 месяцев назад

      @@ABardsBallad 🙌🫶🫵💪

  • @johnsmith6497
    @johnsmith6497 11 месяцев назад +1

    Boethia = Bo-wee-thee-ah

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Working on the pronunciation for futures videos! My bad on this one 😂

  • @bluedemion7207
    @bluedemion7207 11 месяцев назад +1

    nice

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you!

    • @ImperialKnowledge
      @ImperialKnowledge 11 месяцев назад +1

      @bluedemion7207 I have seen your face in my dreams…..

    • @bluedemion7207
      @bluedemion7207 11 месяцев назад

      @@ImperialKnowledge well here we go again

  • @rogersowden2369
    @rogersowden2369 11 месяцев назад +2

    BoEEEEthia please not bothia

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      Noted! Working on my pronunciation!

  • @dimo2081
    @dimo2081 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bothiah??? BO-E-THI-AH.

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂 Yeah my bad on the pronunciation! I’ll fix it for next time!

  • @Grufflebum
    @Grufflebum 4 месяца назад

    The way you say Boethiah makes me piss

  • @have_a_good_day420
    @have_a_good_day420 11 месяцев назад +1

    I remember having to discover the town before being able to fast travel 🤔 (please don't ❤️ my comment as people with low subs tend to do to every single comment)

    • @ABardsBallad
      @ABardsBallad  11 месяцев назад

      I gotta heart everyone’s comment! And not in this game! Every major city can be travelled to! It’s just the little settlements and everything else that has to be discovered!

  • @theemerdareloth
    @theemerdareloth 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sutch a shame!

  • @CashTwinsanity
    @CashTwinsanity 7 месяцев назад

    "as our first reference, heres a fanmade map" its no wonder you only got 20k views