I have a different starter that's still in the car, but at least you've given me enough information to start. You've been very helpful to a lot of us who are surprised a video like this exists. Thank you.
Wow. You don't know how much I appreciate your video. I swear I thought I was an idiot because I couldn't get them all 4 to stay without one coming out. Thanks.
Well you definitely helped me. Thanks for this very informative video. I now am absolutely positive that I can now install new brushes in my Onan generator engine. I am very appreciative.
Very helpful, excellent video. My starter is for a 12.5 kw generator, and it is built a little differently than the one you used, but your video gave me the understanding I needed to get my brushes installed. Many thanks!
Thanks old mate, it helped big time. Such a simple thing can be such a pain. I had to tap the wires flatter so they go in & don't spin around & spit it back out while your dealing with the other 3.
I did a engine swap and did not notice where you connect the battery cable that post was hanging out of the starter, still works. I have worked on starters before, this little trick should make life a whole lot less painful.
I did this on a Grasshopper mower starter. If this is the same size, I used a 3/4" pvc pipe. Fit perfectly. You can insert the pipe a little at a time while pushing back each bushing with your finger. The armature just slid in and pushed the pipe out.
Did this last year on my Tecumseh starter . Fought for about 40 minutes to get those brushes on even had to bring the wife in for another hand . Thank you for sharing this trick of the trade.
Awesome video. Thanks. I've fought with two of these. And have almost decided to just start buying new ones. But now, I don't. You've just saved me and my customers a lot of money.
I don't watch your channel ... until now. I'm trying to get the brushes back on myself on mower starter (one you're working on looks nearly identical to mine) and had the same idea of wire. I just wasn't finding any stiff enough. Didn't know there was such a thing as jeweler's wire. [Also found piano wire an hour later]. Only there's enough headroom on the brushes to allow the wire to slide under the bridge piece of the holder, so I need thicker wire. Or modify. Gives me a solid idea for a product.
You can also use a socket of the appropriate size. I worked for Delco Remy and all of our brush assemblies had a plastic disc holding the brushes in place and you just pressed the brush plate over the Commutator. So there are tools out there for this task. The thing is designing a universal brush holder that would work with all types of starters. Cheers! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga I worked for a vintage engine parts restoration company rebuilding/restoring 12v motors used on the car, ie. wipers, which are virtually the same as this. We had a simple, extremely easy to use tool for holding brushes back. I've searched for it high and low and everywhere in-between and I cannot find nothing like them anywhere. I do not know if they are used in another industry or not, but it seems likely as obscure as they are. They worked like a charm, were easy to install and remove, and I never ran into a brushes or holders I couldn't use them on. Astounding little things.
I also modified simple 16 gauge stainless wire and got the brushes seated on the commutator once I figured out how it needed to be formed. Getting to that point took a little time, but reproducing it 3x was easy. Got the job done at any rate. The video though is the most helpful one I found among all that was found.
Yea Zippo found out my motor is not rated for salt water but can be used occasionally as long as you rinse every use with fresh water which I did royally so the rubber o rings failed and I got a lot of what looked like rust but no signs of water so I have to replace two o rings and armature not too bad,so thanks to ure video I learned how!Thank You from a beginner!!
Thanks Howard! That's what I like to hear. I've been fighting sound issues for a while now, but have that worked out. I just have to re-train my brain to make sure I'm speaking into the external microphone lol. Cheers! Zip~
Very nice video! Now I just to figure out how to put my Onan Elite 140 starter back together. It's enclosed by a cover plate instead. Thanks for the ideas!
I use some of those tiny worthless allen wrenches for holding the brushes, but I didn't know the trick with the socket, thanks for that! Before the allen wrenches I made some with some big paperclips. The hardest part of the repair is removing that little clip, its maddening! I think there's a tool for removing it, I'm seriously considering one.
Nice video. I had a different approach myself. I put the squares,(forgot the official term), into the slots first, then put the core in next, and then clamped the springs down with my fingers and inserted them into the slot above the squares. Kept the squares from popping out while putting the core into position
+59chevt That comes from many failures along the way Tom. I hope my lessons help many to avoid all the trials I have gone through to be able to provide an easier way. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
Great video...Wish I had seen it BEFORE I pulled out the end with the brushes! Now I'm trying to figure out how to get them back in place. I have an idea to keep the brushes from moving ahead...won't know if it worked until i try it. Any suggestions are more than welcome.
I used the jeweler's wire but may have nicked the brush surface on a few of the brushes (just small scratches), now there is a squeal every time I start the mower, could that be the cause? I also had to clean and super glue a few of the magnets in as they came loose when I rebuilt my starter, but I'm sure they are holding tight.
The squeal could be a couple things. If the magnets weren't perfectly aligned, one may be rubbing on the Armature or the bushings are out of spec or dry. I don't imagine the brushes would squeak loud enough to be noticeable. Cheers and good luck! Zip~
My starter is almost exactly the same except the breastplate is soldered on. Do you tip about the keepers holding the magnets in will not work in this case. Any suggestions?
I provide a visual and vocal explanation to where the brushes should be placed. If you removed the brush retaining fixture without regard to the brushes being under spring tension, then you need to reinsert each brush and spring into their respective spots which you can see (and hear) where they are located. I'm sorry if you're having issues. But don't lay blame on me for your carelessness when disassembling the starter. That's the beauty of learning a lesson. Typically you will only make mistakes the first time. Welcome to life!
hey I don't have a lawn battery that has any charge, could I use a battery charger set to the jump starter setting to test my motor after it is rebuilt? also how could I find brushes/ a complete bottom plate? like does it have to specifically be a briggs and Stratton or would a general lawn equipment starter brush work?
Hello I need your advice,,,,me I don't have skill to clean my starter..I have pontic sunfire....It will not start,,,every time I start the engine I see a.smoke from a starter,,,what do you think,,,its time for replacement? What tools do I need? For how long if I will do it myself...
Sounds like you've just got a loose wire on the starter. Should be easy enough to diagnose. Find the starter and the wires attached to it and make sure they are not loose or touching anything but the post they are bolted to. Tighten them up as best you can, but disconnect the battery negative terminal first to avoid sparking issues while tightening them. Don't over tighten them. Just snug them up so the cables and wires don't move. Good luck! If you're not sure, find someone in your friends circle who is confident in what they're doing and ask for their help. Cheers and good luck! Zip~
do you know an easy way to remove and reinstall that little retaining ring that holds the starter drive together,, that's one thing that gives me fits every time?
For the best results, you need an OEM brush plate. As for soldering brushes to the wires of an old brush plate, the composition of the brushes won't let solder stick to them. They need to be epoxied in place or spot welded like the originals. Zip~
Great video. Always a struggle to get those brushes back in. I am right at the point of putting the brush plate back on and your method sounds perfect. Can't wait to go out and try it. My only question is, did you grease the shaft end cap before installing it? Thanks again.
O.K Zippo got my new parts but now I have no reverse 1-2-3 and only 2-4 forward same speed though,my question is it the control on my Minn Kota Endura C2 30 lb. thrust motor or wired wrong??please help
Hello I have a question important .is me can to use of Motor starter the car this in the game scooter baby weight 25 kilo please respond and thank you ???
Unfortunately I didn't see the trick about removing brushes the way ZippoVarga described. I had pulled out the end piece and as a result the brushes were left hanging there!! grrr. II came up with a solution using paper clips. I made four staple shaped "tools" that were just the length of the distance from the back of the brush holder to the front of the brush after I compressed it. Then I slipped a "staple tool" over it and did the same with the next three.The tool left enough space to slip the bushing holder over the commutator. Once pushed in a short distance I removed the clips and pushed the assembly all the way down over the commutator.. Job done!!
+bikerb62750 The end cap bushings are not available for purchase individually. To remedy worn bushings, you need to have new ones machined unfortunately. Sorry I don't have better news on that front Biker. Cheers!! Zip~
You my friend are a lifesaver! Struggled for 30 minutes before I finally found your video. Thank for your insight, you’re a saviour
I have a different starter that's still in the car, but at least you've given me enough information to start. You've been very helpful to a lot of us who are surprised a video like this exists. Thank you.
Wow. You don't know how much I appreciate your video. I swear I thought I was an idiot because I couldn't get them all 4 to stay without one coming out. Thanks.
Dude. Awesome video. You are a rockstar at explaining these kind of things. Very little,
if any, unnecessary information included. Two thumbs up.
Hell yah ! For those of us that have the ability to rebuild instead of going an buying new you just saved us a ton of money
Well you definitely helped me. Thanks for this very informative video. I now am absolutely positive that I can now install new brushes in my Onan generator engine. I am very appreciative.
Very helpful, excellent video. My starter is for a 12.5 kw generator, and it is built a little differently than the one you used, but your video gave me the understanding I needed to get my brushes installed. Many thanks!
Shot Bro!! Just about to fix my starter on my Chevy, your tip saved me A LOT of frustration.... Thanks for your video.
Thanks old mate, it helped big time. Such a simple thing can be such a pain. I had to tap the wires flatter so they go in & don't spin around & spit it back out while your dealing with the other 3.
Best mower starter rebuild video ever! No bs 💯 awesome. Thanks
I did a engine swap and did not notice where you connect the battery cable that post was hanging out of the starter, still works. I have worked on starters before, this little trick should make life a whole lot less painful.
Thanks for proffesional talk ! It was much needed !
I did this on a Grasshopper mower starter. If this is the same size, I used a 3/4" pvc pipe. Fit perfectly. You can insert the pipe a little at a time while pushing back each bushing with your finger. The armature just slid in and pushed the pipe out.
Awesome suggestion Ben! One I'll certainly put to the test. Thanks so much for sharing! Zip~
Did this last year on my Tecumseh starter . Fought for about 40 minutes to get those brushes on even had to bring the wife in for another hand . Thank you for sharing this trick of the trade.
+Curtis Loewen I hope it helps out the next time you need to replace brushes! Cheers!! Zip~
Nice explation very easy to assemble. 💯
Nice work. Thanks for taking the time to show how this is done.
More than welcome Chuck! Zip~
Awesome video. Thanks. I've fought with two of these. And have almost decided to just start buying new ones. But now, I don't. You've just saved me and my customers a lot of money.
I hope it saves you and your customers time and money Lane! Always happy to put out helpful content where ever I can. Cheers! Zip~
I don't watch your channel ... until now. I'm trying to get the brushes back on myself on mower starter (one you're working on looks nearly identical to mine) and had the same idea of wire. I just wasn't finding any stiff enough. Didn't know there was such a thing as jeweler's wire. [Also found piano wire an hour later]. Only there's enough headroom on the brushes to allow the wire to slide under the bridge piece of the holder, so I need thicker wire. Or modify. Gives me a solid idea for a product.
You can also use a socket of the appropriate size. I worked for Delco Remy and all of our brush assemblies had a plastic disc holding the brushes in place and you just pressed the brush plate over the Commutator. So there are tools out there for this task. The thing is designing a universal brush holder that would work with all types of starters. Cheers! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga I worked for a vintage engine parts restoration company rebuilding/restoring 12v motors used on the car, ie. wipers, which are virtually the same as this. We had a simple, extremely easy to use tool for holding brushes back. I've searched for it high and low and everywhere in-between and I cannot find nothing like them anywhere. I do not know if they are used in another industry or not, but it seems likely as obscure as they are. They worked like a charm, were easy to install and remove, and I never ran into a brushes or holders I couldn't use them on. Astounding little things.
I also modified simple 16 gauge stainless wire and got the brushes seated on the commutator once I figured out how it needed to be formed. Getting to that point took a little time, but reproducing it 3x was easy. Got the job done at any rate. The video though is the most helpful one I found among all that was found.
Dude! Your voice sounds VERY similar to Carlos Hathcock II Marine Corps sniper. Thanks for the video!
Yea Zippo found out my motor is not rated for salt water but can be used occasionally as long as you rinse every use with fresh water which I did royally so the rubber o rings failed and I got a lot of what looked like rust but no signs of water so I have to replace two o rings and armature not too bad,so thanks to ure video I learned how!Thank You from a beginner!!
You're more than welcome Augustine! Zip~
Brilliant!
So helpful and, the exact same starter I'm working on.
Thank you.
Great video. Sound is very good and camera work is excellent. Thanks
Thanks Howard! That's what I like to hear. I've been fighting sound issues for a while now, but have that worked out. I just have to re-train my brain to make sure I'm speaking into the external microphone lol. Cheers! Zip~
I appreciate your info,I just pulled my electric shift motor off and accidentally blew it apart lol.but am going to fix today now I saw this video
Very nice video! Now I just to figure out how to put my Onan Elite 140 starter back together. It's enclosed by a cover plate instead. Thanks for the ideas!
Good Luck Rav! Zip~
This video was helpful to me. Thank you my dear friend
Great video! helped me a lot! Keep them coming.
I use some of those tiny worthless allen wrenches for holding the brushes, but I didn't know the trick with the socket, thanks for that! Before the allen wrenches I made some with some big paperclips.
The hardest part of the repair is removing that little clip, its maddening! I think there's a tool for removing it, I'm seriously considering one.
Thanks 👍 hope I can fix mine thanks again for your help big thumbs up Dave
No problem 👍
Nice video. I had a different approach myself. I put the squares,(forgot the official term), into the slots first, then put the core in next, and then clamped the springs down with my fingers and inserted them into the slot above the squares. Kept the squares from popping out while putting the core into position
Nice approach for getting the job done Adam! Thanks for sharing this alternative method. Zip~
👍 great video. You taught me something
you are a big!! help!! my friend! thankyou!!! i didnt know how the magnets go back in wow! youre awesome!!!!!
Glad I could help!
very informative, thank you very much. my dilemma; the molded plastic housing holding the power stud to the casing has worn and I need to replace it.
Zippo, nice vid, you make everything look so easy. thanks tom
+59chevt That comes from many failures along the way Tom. I hope my lessons help many to avoid all the trials I have gone through to be able to provide an easier way. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
Great video...Wish I had seen it BEFORE I pulled out the end with the brushes! Now I'm trying to figure out how to get them back in place. I have an idea to keep the brushes from moving ahead...won't know if it worked until i try it. Any suggestions are more than welcome.
Wish I would have watched this three days ago. Thank You.
Glad you found the channel! Zip~
Thank you for another awesome tip !!!!- 👍
Great explanation of a tough thing to put back together.
I'm not swearing anymore
Thanks! Bent paper clips worked also. Great video.
I'm glad the video was helpful! Zip~
Tiny Allen keys should work too.
Absolutely! Great suggestion Highway! Zip~
Thanks man you did a really good job telling and showing everything thanks again 👍
Thank You for the Great Video big help to everyone.Sir, Wer did you bought the brush plate ? Thanks you
Partstree.com
Clear as mud...what holds wires in place when you remove socket
I have a 2007 Craftsman DLS 3500 - 20Hp Riding mower , Wear on the starter can i find the part number# ?
You use the Engine Numbers (stamped on the valve cover on Briggs engines) to search for engine parts. Zip~
@@ZippoVarga Great info , Thanks very much .
I don't know yet if this is the starter I will be looking at, but great tips regardless.
I used the jeweler's wire but may have nicked the brush surface on a few of the brushes (just small scratches), now there is a squeal every time I start the mower, could that be the cause? I also had to clean and super glue a few of the magnets in as they came loose when I rebuilt my starter, but I'm sure they are holding tight.
The squeal could be a couple things. If the magnets weren't perfectly aligned, one may be rubbing on the Armature or the bushings are out of spec or dry. I don't imagine the brushes would squeak loud enough to be noticeable. Cheers and good luck! Zip~
where did you buy the replacement for you starter motor? ,,like your brushes,,can you pls tell me
Thanks for the useful tips..👍
Thanks for the GREAT tip.🙂
It's EASY...once someone, that knows, shows you how. :) Thanks!!!
Glad it helped!
Great Video!
Merci pour la combine de la douille a cliquet ,je ne voyais pas comment remettre l'induit avec les charbons ,merci encore .
My starter is almost exactly the same except the breastplate is soldered on. Do you tip about the keepers holding the magnets in will not work in this case. Any suggestions?
Very helpful my john deere stop working recently
The video never showed where the loose brushes were inserted into the brush cavity before being secured by the socket and later by the wires.
I provide a visual and vocal explanation to where the brushes should be placed. If you removed the brush retaining fixture without regard to the brushes being under spring tension, then you need to reinsert each brush and spring into their respective spots which you can see (and hear) where they are located. I'm sorry if you're having issues. But don't lay blame on me for your carelessness when disassembling the starter. That's the beauty of learning a lesson. Typically you will only make mistakes the first time. Welcome to life!
Thanks for the tutorial.
I owe you a beer! Thank You!! Subbed...
How do I know what brushes do I need for my specific starter?
I use 4 vise grips to keep each brush in place
Will starter run if the Only brushes are Smaller than the old??
I'm going to have to use some small allen wrenches, don't have jewler's wire?
That will certainly work as well as paper clips. Cheers Bill. Zip~
hey I don't have a lawn battery that has any charge, could I use a battery charger set to the jump starter setting to test my motor after it is rebuilt? also how could I find brushes/ a complete bottom plate? like does it have to specifically be a briggs and Stratton or would a general lawn equipment starter brush work?
I wish I had a fraction of your patients.
Hello I need your advice,,,,me I don't have skill to clean my starter..I have pontic sunfire....It will not start,,,every time I start the engine I see a.smoke from a starter,,,what do you think,,,its time for replacement? What tools do I need? For how long if I will do it myself...
Sounds like you've just got a loose wire on the starter. Should be easy enough to diagnose. Find the starter and the wires attached to it and make sure they are not loose or touching anything but the post they are bolted to. Tighten them up as best you can, but disconnect the battery negative terminal first to avoid sparking issues while tightening them. Don't over tighten them. Just snug them up so the cables and wires don't move. Good luck! If you're not sure, find someone in your friends circle who is confident in what they're doing and ask for their help. Cheers and good luck! Zip~
ZippoVarga I will try....thank you so.muchs....sir
You bet James! Zip~
do you know an easy way to remove and reinstall that little retaining ring that holds the starter drive together,, that's one thing that gives me fits every time?
+MissouriOldTimer There's a couple different types. Good idea for another video!! I'll get on that one for you. Cheers! Zip~
thanks, I always have a problem with that, I finely get it but I have the snap ring all distorted by the time I'm done..
You eased my mind for tomorrows task
What if the end cap doesn’t have a hole to be able to do that with
Yes, but how to solder new brushes onto plate. Some places sell brushes only without plate
For the best results, you need an OEM brush plate. As for soldering brushes to the wires of an old brush plate, the composition of the brushes won't let solder stick to them. They need to be epoxied in place or spot welded like the originals. Zip~
Great. Thank you for helping
Do you have a solution for a worn bushing at the end with the gear?
Wow ta for the information mate. Hope your doing good mate
Left a comment on your vid on the Wife's car Mick. Let us know how it goes! Cheers! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga yeah I see it mate.. I'm on it brother
What is the fix if the brushes are already released?
Really helpful! Should have watched before the brushes sprang out, lol.
thank you for your time.
Great video. Always a struggle to get those brushes back in. I am right at the point of putting the brush plate back on and your method sounds perfect. Can't wait to go out and try it. My only question is, did you grease the shaft end cap before installing it? Thanks again.
O.K Zippo got my new parts but now I have no reverse 1-2-3 and only 2-4 forward same speed though,my question is it the control on my Minn Kota Endura C2 30 lb. thrust motor or wired wrong??please help
Thanks a lot! I needed that real bad.
I hope it helps Richard! Zip~
Easy and straight forward....
Thanks. Interesting lesson for me.
+Bruce Pender I hope it's helpful my Northern Friend! Zip~
Hello I have a question important .is me can to use of Motor starter the car this in the game scooter baby weight 25 kilo please respond and thank you ???
Thanks man!
I have same one too im working on,a pain those brushes
very good tutorial, thanks
Nice job! I show how to do this using two clips. Same idea though. Thanks!
I'll check it out Bax! Cheers! Zip~
Thanks Zippo 👍👍👍
Unfortunately I didn't see the trick about removing brushes the way ZippoVarga described. I had pulled out the end piece and as a result the brushes were left hanging there!! grrr. II came up with a solution using paper clips. I made four staple shaped "tools" that were just the length of the distance from the back of the brush holder to the front of the brush after I compressed it. Then I slipped a "staple tool" over it and did the same with the next three.The tool left enough space to slip the bushing holder over the commutator. Once pushed in a short distance I removed the clips and pushed the assembly all the way down over the commutator.. Job done!!
They can be a pain without some sort of brush retainers. I'm glad you got it all sorted out! Cheers Keith! Zip~
where can i buy brush plate assembly-f150 2002 5.4 starter
Thank you thank you thank you! I guess I'm not as sharp as I once was. I put the casing plate on first 🤪
Great video now if I could only use this method on my trolling motor!!i can't!!Thanks for a idea though!!
Sorry to learn of your issues with the trolling motor. I hope you get it worked out! Zip~
Good job zippo
Thanks Robeft! Zip~
TOOTHPICKS OR WOODEN SHISHKABOB SCURE PIECES WORK GREAT FROM THE 4 HOLES FROM THE BACK
There's many ways to get the brushes in. I always encourage people like your self to offer up different ways, so Thanks!! Cheers! Zip~
Hey zippo how about the bearings [ races ] and where do you get them ??????? BIKERB
+bikerb62750 The end cap bushings are not available for purchase individually. To remedy worn bushings, you need to have new ones machined unfortunately. Sorry I don't have better news on that front Biker. Cheers!! Zip~
take bearings to NAPA, they can measure and find a corresponding bearing usually.
Thank you helped me a ton
I'm glad this video helped out Paul!! Zip~
Excellent tip. Thank youi
Thank you 🙏
Thank you
I disassembled a starter for an 18hp opposed Briggs and used toothpicks to hold back the brushes, not nearly as nice as the wire
very well done!
Thanks Much Ja!! Zip~
पल्सर 150 बाइक स्पीड ब्रेकर आने पर साइलेंसर का पाइप रोड से चिपकता है
उसका कुछ उपाय बताओ
This guy's awesome!
Dude's dude:)
Thanks Brick! I hope the video was helpful! Zip~
Great help
WOW, Amazing many thanks
Hope it helps! Zip~