I was as exited as you haha I write music for film and media and my main master was a Doepfer LMK3. I played the SL88 grand and switched immediately. It has a superior Keybed built like a tank and easy to program. 2 years have passed and I have never encountered a single issue with it. Great purchase!
I have so enjoyed using this controller, the dynamic range is really unprecedented. I am working on integrating their MIXFACE controller into the setup and will be giving an update on that very soon. I so appreciate your kind support, thanks for watching. Joyfully 🎹
Yesss Serrr . Mine arrived a few days ago but set up today. Ohhh boy on the key bed feel. I previously owned the SL73 but had to upgrade to this. Thx so much for your insight 👍🏽
Joel, that is terrific! I know you are going to enjoy using the SL88: grand. I am so glad you found the video helpful. Please keep me posted on your progress and let me know if you ever have any questions. Joyfully!🎹
@@PraiseTracks im a little worried about how big it will be because im in a relatively small space and right now i use a key station mk3 61. but i think it will be great
Well, I am actually planning on doing an AMA (Ask me Anything) livestream very soon. It will be a way to not only answer questions but use it as an opportunity to help get some additional funding so I can continue using the controller for many days to come. Stay tuned!
Thanks a lot Simeon. Nice quick overview. I’ve had the SL88 Grand for a year or so now. Great controller. Are you going to do a follow up review in the near future on the Grand?? Thanks, love the Channel 😀🤙🎹🎹🎹🎹👍🏼🎵🍻
My pleasure. In regards to a follow up review, you might see something during one of my pop up livestreams soon. I am so glad you are enjoying the channel and so appreciate the support. All the best.
The factory was really affected by all that is going on and so it was over a month to wait but it was so worth it. To everything there is a time and for every purpose under heaven, 🤓
Hello Mr. Amburgey. It's Sai again. I'm an amateur classical pianist and I am really hoping not to make bad decisions when buying gears. I don't really know what's best for my piano music and it turns I have only two options. Kawai VPC1 and SL88 Grand. Both of them have similar features (half-pedaling, velocity editor, wooden ivory keys, etc..) but I'll see your story with your brand new SL88. Keep this updated. Thanks.
So just looking at this from a cost perspective the SL88 Grand retails for around $899, while the Kawai VPC1 retails for $1849 which is a significant increase in cost. I do appreciate the Kawai keyboard action as bein g a piano manufacturer first it is most similar to an actual piano action. The problem is justifying that almost $1000, it would have to really be a phenomenal difference in the playing experience. I actually rented a Kawai digital piano back in 2005 when arranging my first instrumental release and remember that experience to be very good. Right after that I purchased the SL-880; fast forward fifteen years and here is where we are today. Stay tuned and please let me know if you have any questions about the SL88?
Hi, Lachnit Keyboard Austria or Yamaha N1X or N3X are maybe a good choices. I have heard good references. Yamaha CLP 585 is ok, but the touch is less precise regarding to midi data and the highest velocities are not really reachable.
I have the older Studiologic SL990 Pro which (like Simeon) has served me well for the past 15 years. I've also been looking at upgrading to the Kawai VPC1, when I came across this video for the updated Studiologic SL88 Grand. I know a lot of people are critical of the plasticky nature of Fatar keybeds, so I'm intrigued by this new SL88 Grand model. As far as I can tell, all Fatar have done is updated the keys to be made of solid wood and added triple sensors - the action mechanism itself is largely unchanged. Whilst I've been personally happy with my Studiologic controller and enjoyed playing its Fatar action, I can't help but think the Kawai actions are far superior for a very realistic piano feel. The VPC1 lacks the control surfaces that the SL88 has, and is a lot bulkier and more expensive, as it contains Kawai's RM3 Grand II action. It really comes down to whether you want the ultimate in piano realism with the Kawai VPC1 or whether you are happy to sacrifice some piano action realism for the convenience and extra features of the Studiologic SL88 (not to mention the extra cash in your pocket!).
Thanks Ian, I actually started with the Commodore 64 and Amiga but of course loved playing Atari games. The Atari's were really ahead of their time as well, especially featuring built in MIDi ports, amazing times that paved the way for the incredible opportunities we have available today. Thanks so much for watching.
Friends! Racking my head between SL Studio and Grand. SL Studio is pleasant to the touch, but over time it will become easier, I actually saw this TP100 with my own eyes at keyboard masters atelier and there is a lot of fluidity like Vaseline, so it feels tougher than SL GRAND, but lighter in weight. I played on the old MIDI Studiologic SL-990 Pro there TP40 GH - I really liked it, it still works without any problems.
The fact is that the SL Grand now costs about $ 800. But there are a lot of bad reviews about the keyboard itself ... but at the same time, it is positioned as a keyboard of the premium segment. OK. We have a purely $ 1000 Doepfer PK88 GH without Case keyboard and are praised as one of the most reliable and indestructible keyboards around. A reasonable question: Maybe in SL Grand (Fatar TP40 Wood) the quality of parts is worse than on Doepfer (TP40 GH) since there is such a difference in price + considering the reviews? This is my dilemma.
Vadim, Thanks fo rwatching and I can see where things could get confusing. So it does seem that Doepfer purchases the keyboard actions from FATAR and then adds their fit and finish as far as casing and electronics to them. Studiologic is Fatar's in house brand so the only thing different is the supporting electronics and housing (or lack thereof). Regardin gmy experience with the SL88: Grand, I have been using it as a daily driver for over a year now and it has performed very well and I have not experienced any issues with it. So as with any after market company, they will buy the parts and add their spin to it as well as any markup to the price when they are selling their product. Since Fatar owns Studiologic that extra markup will typically not be there so that would be in my opinion the difference in Studiologic and Doepfer pricing models. Thanks so much for watching, please let me know wif you have any additional questions. All the best.
@@PraiseTracks First of all, thanks for the feedback! Regarding SL GRAND, if there is TP40, then the keyboard is indestructible! I played Older Studiologic models, these are Nero, PRO-990, and keyboards still work like clockwork! I really hope that the quality of the components in the current SL GRAND line is the same as on Doepfer and previous Studiologic models. One of my friends has an SL and his board burned out, he is very upset and says that he will definitely not take such a second keyboard ... that's why I'm thinking. I really want a Fatar 88 keyboard for piano parts. The Kawai VPC1 is huge and heavy despite being very good. And now a new line from Studiologic is coming out soon called NUMA X PIANO GT there an evolutionary keyboard from TP40 WOOD to TP400 WOOD with Triple switch detection system, Escapement, Aftertouch, Ivory feel. I will wait" I have the main instrument SEQUENTIAL PROPHET XL, there is FATAR TP/8 , it is semi-weighted but very cool! On board, I have sampled grand pianos by me and they sound very cool, and for such sounds, I am looking for 88 keybed so that, through, for example, a 5 pin cable, I can send a signal to the same Studiologic and when there are piano parts to play on Studiologic,.
Hey Simeon, thanks as always. Can you do a quick update on your set up? What are your monitors, what DAW, Do you have most libraries and which are your "go to" collections? What is your input hardware? Also what cameras and software are you using? You seem to have a great sounding, great looking workflow from playing, writing, recording, video making and editing etc. Please share what you've learned putting together such an exceptional all purpose studio. Lighting is also stellar.
By the way you already saved me money after watching your unboxing of the ring light and then realizing along with you that your glasses pick up the rings. You rock!
Yep, that was crazy! I am using the ESDDI small LED panel lights now. They have adjustable brightness an color temp. I also can power them with an adapter. Very compact and bright.
Oh that is amazing Simeon to see you testing this out. I just got here because I'm also looking for a new midi keyboard with good piano feel and to my surprise your video came up in search results. The only thing I'm affraid really are those joysticks. I never used anything else than regular MOD Wheel and I'm just sure if this is gonna work for me.. I'm so used to the wheel.
That was one of the first things that really concerned me as well. After the initial shock of these, I am surprisingly getting used to them. I especially LOVE the XY joystick as it is free floating so it is brilliant at controlling multi zoned instruments (ie. Symphonic AI) as well as mapping them to controls on some beautiful instruments like Baltic Shimmers (have you heard of them😎). It is almost like a cross between what Roland does with the Lever and Korg has done with the combo pitch and mod joystick type of controller. I am still in the honeymoon phase so to speak but the keybed is magnificent. Much more to come on this keyboard for sure. Thanks so much for watching.
How is the Studiologic software? Is it any good or do I have to purchase 3rd party DAW or Midi software? And does it come with a midi USB controller? Thanks! Much appreciated.
The SL88: Grand can be edited on board, but the software makes it a little easier to edit everything as there is so much you can configure in creating presets for different situations. It can be used with any DAW as it serves as a regular MIDI keyboard device. I am currently using a Korg nanoKONTROL, to provide me with some MIDI faders and such for MIDI CC control. I also use the GSI D9x Drawbar controller when I am working with virtual tonewheel organs. I just received a Studiologic MIXFACE control surface that integrates with the SL88, and I am trying to learn how to set that up in my workflow. I also use Bome MIDI translator to help pull things together as it is a fantastic MIDI utility that can create virtual MIDI ports as well as do some crazy routing and other things that really help when working with so many MIDI input devices. What I absolutely LOVE about this keyboard controller is the dynamic range. I can play very softly all the way to full on FFF and it responds, this truly brings out the character of the virtual instruments I review as it can take them through their full dynamic range as well. I hope that helps.
Hello Simeon, Do you mind if I ask how is your experience with the keyboard nowadays? Any issues so far? (ex.: weird noises, sticking keys, etc.) I'm thinking about getting this MIDI controller keyboard, but I'm still a little hesitant to finally pull the trigger in the shop, because of the reported issues that sometimea I see on forums or even in RUclips comment sections. Thank you so much for your help, and for your nice videos, they are always such a joy to watch and listen! Have a nice weekend!
@kaisfp , the SL88:Grand has been a solid workhorse for me coming up on my three year anniversary in July. My experience has been very positive and I have not had any hardware issue with the unit I have. Studiologic did not give me the keyboard, I was given a small consideration discount that helped but I purchased it so know for certain that I will always be transparent when communicating my experiences as that is the main reason for me being on the channel. In my opinion the SL88:Grand is probably the best value in a weighted midi controller. Please let me know if you have any additional questions and I will do my best to help. Joyfully, 🤓🎹
Dear Simeon, I'm just thinking about this controller to buy but I'm very concerned about the reability. Have you had any issues with the keybed over time? I'm Italian so I think there will be no problem with spare parts cause studiologic is in Italy. Thanks you in advance
Luigi, since this video I am coming up on my third year anniversary using this controller. I can tell you that I have not experienced any negative hardware issues or failures as it seems things have been really solid. What I enjoy about this keyboard is the ability to get a wide range of dynamics. On some instruments you have to bump the velocity curve just a bit as it can tend to favor the softer velocities but once you get it dialed in, it is such a joy to play. I think the SL88:Grand is a great value for the performance and versatility. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Hi, I have an SL-880 also but havent played it for about 10 years , are there any updates I can do or integration for Mac? I used to use a Roland JV1010 which I still have and could just do that but computers have come along now maybe this keyboard is very usable... i have piano and this was sitting around because of integration at the time still new and latency in software I tried. a few times
So the SL-880 would not have any firmware updates as it is a basic controller. You can setup zones and key splits but it can be a little difficult. I have had my SL-880 for over 15 years and I think the mainboard is having some issues but it has a very nice feel and response and served me well over the years. What I would say is that you need some sort of MIDI interface in order to connect it to your computer. Studiologic's newer controllers have built in USB MIDI which is nice. I have used PreSonus and Focusrite interfaces and they all seemed to work very well with the SL-880, you just need a couple of MIDI cables to connect it to the interface. I hope that helps, please let me know if you have any further questions. Joyfully!
@@PraiseTracks I used to use the bosedorpher sample piano and it sounded very good with KOTACT but there was just too much latency back 20 years ago.... so went with roland modules.. I still have my midi interface for it too to usb... however i do have a focus-right i didnt think of trying that... thanks! my SL880 still plays great for my needs !
Hi Simeon, I'm toying with the idea of buying the SL73 Studio. Please let me know if it's worth it! I can't play the piano, but the SL73 is very helpful for my productions! My music is a mixture of classical and cinematic music and that's why I need a keaboard! I have a Yamaha SX600 at the moment but I can't use that for this! Please be so kind and let me know what you think about it. Thanks and keep up the good work, your videos are really great!
I think that would be a great choice. The SL73 Studio has a weighted action of course but not one as heavy as the SL88: Grand which uses a wooden keybed. The touch on the studio would still be more than just on a synth keyboard and would give you possibly the best of both worlds. I have my older SL880 that has been with me for over 15 years and it has the lighter action but it was a great keyboard. Thanks for the kind words and for supporting the channel, I really appreciate it. Please let me know if you have any additional questions, it would be my pleasure to help. Joyfully! 🎹
Oh yes, and the Ring doorbell is a great thing to have 😎 I am hoping to do a follow up AMA (Ask Me Anything) to share my experiences with the controller, so stay tuned. Thanks so much for watching,
Hi Simeon. I enjoy many of your videos. Your use of the SL88 Grand also affected my recent purchase. My SL88 Grand just showed up a few days ago. I still am unable to get functionality out of my SUSTAIN PEDAL. Did you experience any problems with your sustain pedal in the early stages. Is there a setting that I should be aware of? I have not done a firmware download yet. Lastly, What are your 3 most favorite Piano Libraries?
Yes, each of the pedal inputs can be assigned to a specific controller number, this is especially true when using input jack 4 (Universal) as it can support a switch pedal, the 3 pedal controller, and even an expression pedal. You need to go into one of the ZONEs and check the settings there. Each zone can actually have different pedal assignments depending on how you need to configure things in your setup. Here is a short video to show you how to do it: ruclips.net/video/Yhzv_LegFhI/видео.html
Sir, I'm happy to see you happy, you look like a kid getting a Christmas present:) I have one question: what is the big difference between the sl88 studio and the sl88 grand beside the wooden keys? thx in advance
Well, my excitement comes from the gratefulness I feel to be able to have these opportunities to share. I love music and being able to help others discover solutions that will help them go further in their musical path. In a nutshell, the keyboard construction is what sets these two apart. The SL88 Grand has the solid wooden keys and key tops while the SL88 Studio has the weighted plastic core keybed. My older SL880 has the plastic keybed and so I could tell a big difference initially in how the different keybeds felt. Thanks so much for watching. All the best.
Thanks for the video. I purchased SL88 grand and love it. I’m a bit confused on how to map the 4 areas using SL editor. There seem not to be enough online resources, and manual doesn’t help either. Could you elaborate how should map this to my DAW? (I use GarageBand and Mainstage) and don’t mind buying Logic Pro if necessary? I need to be able to have a set of sound loaded on my DAW and then change them from keyboard knob. Is that possible? I.e. P0001 1-Piano / 2-String / 3-Guitar / 4-Brass, P0002 Flute, String, Horn, Obeb) so when I change from P0001 to P0002 I get all the VST sound that I set accordingly?
Mehdi, I will have to look into it but I think it is possible. It probably depends on how your virtual instrument can receive bank and preset messages. You can actually have four controller zones per program on the SL88 that can be combined or turned off individually. There is a lot of control you can have here. I will let you know what I find out. All the best.
@@PraiseTracks thank you Simeon, I really appreciate your assistance in my midi journey, we’re SL buddies now 😀, I wish there was a SL club or something that people could interact with each other and educate themselves
@@MinimalUnbox, so I do have a MacBook but mainly run everything from my Windows setup. What virtual instruments are you using in your setup and I can see if they can receive the program changes. It would also be interesting if you could somehow send me your MainStage Concert file (praisetracks@gmail.com) so I could possibly try pulling it into my MacBook MainStage and see what happens. As always I will see what I can do.
@@PraiseTracks that would be extremely helpful. I will create a concert and will send it to you tomorrow. Thanks! On a separate note, today I got Spitfire (Startus: Olafur Arnald) vst, at 40% off, and I really like it!
Hi Simon and congrats for the great videos you make! I have a question regarding the SL88Grand… any changes in the keybed action/noises/keys over the time? I have a SL 88 Studio and I loved it from start, but now after an year some keys got noisier and feel like they re gonna break of some point cause they sounds like plastic on plastic or metal, don t have the same touch when they are pressed like they used to have. I really appreciate your answer cause maybe I’ll switch to a Grand in the future (Doepfer or Physis are a little too expensive).Thank you in advance!
I would say that I have not noticed a significant increase in noise. I would suspect that what you might be experiencing is the expected wear of some of the felt used to help dampen some of the noise. I watched a video recently of someone replacing some of the felt and other components in order to lessen the keyboard noise, it was very interesting, I will try to link it here in the comments. I also have a 16 year old SL-880 that has many miles on it and it can get pretty klunky to say the least. I think the one thing we all would love is a true hammer action that is quiet. I will keep you posted. Thanks so much for watching and the kind encouragement.
Check this out 🤓 ruclips.net/video/ZWplHbi6t0U/видео.html Also, Doepfer and I would suspect Viscount of sourcing their keybeds from Fatar (Studiologic). They build out the case or additional MIDI controls around the TP40 or TP100 platform. It is a very interesting situation to say the least.
Oh,thanks for nswers. I did already see the video with replacing the foam felt and surely is the same issue, but if this happened just after one year it will happen again after repair. The system itself is not so good. I don t mind too much the noise but I mind if the keys will broken 😃and wanted to know if the Grand has the same issue. Anyway I will speak with the dealer cause the controller is in warranty and also I ll send a message to Studiologic,just to know what they say about this, cause mine isn t the first case with this issue. Maybe I can return it and with some extra money I ll get the Grand.
Christian, I have not yet done a full review as such, but it will be something that I will try and do very soon. Having the controller now for the past two years has been an extremely positive experience. Please let me know what questions you might have about it, as I can include those points in a future follow-up. Thanks for watching. Joyfully!
Dear Simeon, I follow Your videos and time has come to purchase MIDI controller that allows me better to control piano sounds in my digital piano. Are You still using Studiologic SL88 Grand, and do You plan to upgrade (for example, Numa piano X GT with new TP400 keybed)?
Yes, I still have the SL88: Grand and have found it to be very reliable in my case. It is going on almost 4 years since I started using it which doesn't seem possible. At first it felt heavy compared to what I had been using in the past which was the Studiologic SL-880 which is over 15 years old. Its keybed while weighted was still not as heavy as the Fatar wooded weighted action. I find that the SL88: Grand is very powerful and is probably the best fully weighted controller in its price range. What I enjoy is the overall dynamic range of the keyboard. I feel I can get into the very softest layers in a library and still have enough to go all the way to the top of the range. Of course, you might have to make adjustments that are compatible with your style of playing but its there. I also enjoy having the extended MIDI control options (zones, keysplits, etc.). I do not use that feature much as mostly I do it inside of the DAW or particular instrument. I would say unless Studiologic sent me one of the newer keyboards, I am happy to continue using the SL88: Grand ;^)
@@PraiseTracks Thank You for immediate and most thorough answer. It means a lot to me. I am in need of that kind of controller (softest dynamic levels in mind) because of my issues with left hamd nerves, and I have hard time to play soft legato in left hand. I tried one (SL88 Grand) without being patched to anything, just to feel the keys under my fingers and it felt realy nice. At the end, it is 1000 euros cheaper than Numa x piano GT (although reportedly even better keybed, but I don't need audio interface, nor built in piano sounds). Thanks once more, and keep up the good work trying sounds for us. God Bless!
@joskomestrov-uroda4012 so sorry to hear of the issue with your left had. With that in mind be sure the extra weight of the SL88: Grand will not be an issue. As I mentioned coming from a lighter keyboard to the SL88: Grand took some adjustment as while the keyboard felt wonderful, it took a little extra strength to play. Having to play harder could possibly cause fatigue and you would not want to increase any issues you are already dealing with. More hands on might be a good idea to just make sure before you make your purchase. Joyfully yours!
@@PraiseTracks Hm, You gave me something to think about. Currently, I am using Kurzweil Forte with Fatar TP40L keybed, that is great multi purpose keyboard, but for acoustic pianos (which I love the most to play and improvise/compose), not so good. Level of control in softest dynamic values is very inconsistent. Basicaly, I can get no MIDI on note around 10 or less. I like to play softly, so there I am left wanting more control. My issues are more on motoric side, so keybed that allows easier access to softest tones is big plus for me. I will defonitely try to try SL88 Grand with some kind of sound modul, maybe even my laptop (those Boz pianos caught my attention). Thanks for every piece of advice.
Hello Felix, many virtual instruments have standalone versions, with Pianoteq coming to mind especially for pianos. Pianoteq also has a very basic MIDI recorder as well as always listening in the background and capturing your playing when inspiration strikes. Kontakt also has a stand alone player, along with the VSL Synchron pianos. Another option is UNIFY, which is a plug-in host and stand alone performance host that has a lot of sounds and performance capabilities. The SL Editor is only for configuring the controllers themselves. Thanks so much for watching. All the best.
Dear Simeon, thank you very much for the information about StudioLogic SL 88 grand. I wanted to consult with you, as a former musician, about choosing a midi keyboard. I worked for 13 years with logic VMK 188 plus which satisfied me. Now it started having problems (the pedal doesn't work) and I would like to choose another one with a good keyboard (as for a pianist). I use the keyboard only at home. I write music more symphonic, Christian. I have no opportunity to touch base with you to test out the keyboards. What’s a better option? Roland A88 mk2 or Studio logic SL88 Grand? Or something else? I don't use arpeggiator and split keyboard. I use the tool only in my home studio. I'm using BandLab Cakewalk. And yet, which one can connect a small midi controller with Faders. Please advise me. Thank you in advance. Best regards Nikolay.
Nokolay, So I have been looking into this and it seems that I always tend to go back to the SL88 Grand. Fatar (Studiologic's parent company) build the keybeds for most of the controllers you will see for Arturia, Native Instruments and some others. Korg, Roland, Kawai, and a few others build their own keybeds. What you will find in the Roland and Kawai especially is "escapement", this is the part where you press down and it sort of catches and then bumps through to the note, exactly as you would experience it on a physical piano keyboard. While this makes a difference to some of the feel ,I do not think it is a total deal breaker unless you needed it specifically. What makes the keybed on the SL88 Grand special is that it is the fully weighted "wooded" keybed. I love the Arturia and Native Instruments keyboards, especially Native Instruments integration with virtual instruments and Arturia's addition of controls, which is very impressive. What happens however is they use a slightly lower range keybed below the one used in the SL88 Grand which can make a difference. The SL88 Grand's keybed from my experience is full of playable dynamic range where I can play very lightly and the virtual instruments (especially the VSL Synchron Pianos) respond beautifully. The weight initially was something I had to get used to as I was using an older (around 15 years) Studiologic SL-880 which used the weighted plastic top keys. That are some thoughts for now, I will try and follow up with more soon. All the best.
So would you reconsider if I told you my first music computer was. C64 and I moved to an Amiga 2000 for many years working with Bars and Pipes for many years. I actually ran Forever Amiga emulators on my Windows PCs just so I could still run some of my favorite Amiga titles. They were very much ahead of the times.
Thanks so much Dion. So, the SL88: Grand is a controller and does not have any type of audio capabilities, only MIDI functionality. You would connect this to your computer through USB or one of the dedicated MIDI outputs to use in your favorite Music production software platform.
No it does not come with the SL88, I thought I mentioned it in the video but watching again, I was not specific to whether it was included, sorry. Thanks so much for watching and let me know if you have any additional questions.
Hey Brother, there are two huge pre-purchase questions I have regarding the SL88 that I would love for you to answer in the future as you get used to playing it, if you don’t mind: 1) How does the velocity curve of the SL88 feel overall when playing the Garritan CFX, VSL CFX and VSL Steinway? 2) How does the Fatar TP/40 WOOD keybed feel when playing is strings & Brass, especially Legato? Does the “real piano feel” hinder that a little? I can always grab something like an iRig 37 if needed.
Paulie, right out of the box the velocity curve feels fine actually. I have not had a chance to play many libraries with it but and thinking of doing a livestream or video where I pull up different piano libraries and see how they respond. The SL88 Grand gives you so much flexibility in adjusting the curves, you have so many ways to adjust and store custom curves, even on a per note basis. As far as question 2, let me think about that some more. I know for playing finger drums the extra weight kind of felt good. The only difference I notice is the weight prevents very quick repetitive playing, so much more to come.
@@PraiseTracks Actually, I ordered it today with the MixFace. Don't know when Sweetwater will GET it to ship, but I'm ready! I will find out those questions once it arrives and I stay in my home studio for a week straight, lol! Appreciate you Brother! ✝
Paulie D , you will definitely enjoy it. I heard that a price increase for the SL88 was coming and an actual price drop on their Mixface, so hopefully you were able to get a good price. One thing you definitely need to look into is the 3 pedal controller. It only uses one of the pedal inputs so it allows you to accommodate MORE pedals! 😳 Keep me posted my friend.
God bless you brother. Was not Roland's newest A-88 MKII controller ($999) with Midi v.2.0 an option? PHA-4 with Escapement. It's the same price as the StudioLogic SL88 Grand. It's brand new and I think it's was out when you uploaded this video. Thanks.
One of the nicest actions I ever played was on a Roland V Piano, it was amazing. I have been playing a Studiologic SL-880 for around 15 years and it is starting show signs of wear and failure. I reached out to Studiologic and they set me up with a loan of the SL88 Grand which I am so grateful for. My time expires at the end of November so I am trying to raise finds so I can purchase it. Things being the way they are it has been very difficult but I am hopeful.
@@PraiseTracks - I hope you get it, brother. I hear ya! The V-Piano was one of the nicest? Then you're in for a treat if you are all about the action. The V-Piano employs the PHAiii while the Roland A-88 MKii I referenced employs the PHA-4 action. What's more, the same PHA-4 is also on the Roland FP-30 and I'm about to walk into Guitar Center in two seconds to fiddle around with the FP-30......the FP-30 is a few hundred dollars less than both the StudioLogic SL88 Grand and Roland's newest A-88 MKii. It's the battle between Fatar TP/40wood and Roland's PHA-4 Wood with Escapement. Tough call. If money is of issue, like it is for us all, then I'm thinking about that FP-30 since it's $699 with $30 monthly payments to pay it off (SweetWater) and employs an action that is better than the V-Piano. Kind of a win-win for the super budget-conscience folks.
@@mr.c1989 Hi, Can the FP30 be used as a controller for my hardware synths. I understand it doesn’t have sliders etc,but I’m just after a premium keybed to play my other equipment.
@@philipslade6810 - The FP-30 will work fine as a controller if you're going straight to a computer via USB for things like VSTs, DAWs, etc. For hardware you'll need a USB/MIDI host (Kenton has a good one) to convert the USB signal to real MIDI. The FP30 is now replaced with the brand new FP-30x. Just get a dedicated controller from Roland. It sounds like you're after the Keybed in the FP30 which is only the PHA-4, which is very good but also in a lot of other Roland keyboards. That Keybed is in the new Roland A-88 mkii "real" controller. If you need a controller, just get that, it does more than what an FP30 can do in terms of controller features. You can use VST's in the A-88 MKii and it's a full length 88-keys, exact same key action as in the newer FP-30x and FP-60x. I'm not a pro, so that's all I really know. Lol Cheers.
The tops of the keys are plastic with a rap round wood veneer on a plastic bass. So just enough wood to trick people into thinking they have made a great choice for the extra money you're paying. Personally I think the studio is way more bang for the bucks. The reason why they build them like this is because the keys can worpe if they were made from all wood.
This was like an initial unboxing, but I am planning to go into more detail soon. Also on many of the live streams I answer questions about how things are set up. I am planning a live Ask Me Anything to focus on this note so stay tuned. 📺 Also, if you have any questions, I will do my best to assist.
Hey Simeon, hope you're doing well... I wanted to let you know that I almost saved up enough money to buy this particular controller you're using. But before buying I wanted to get feedbacks from you. Alot of Sl88 grand users mentioned of encountering problems with it after sometime of usage, hence I am kind of confused whether I should buy it or not.Did you face any sorts of problem with the Sl88 Grand so far ? Looking forward for your reply :)
Hello Sakef, well I have been using the SL88:Grand almost every day for a little over a year and it has held up very well. It has not been moved around so I guess that has helped keep things stable. As far as reliability I have not experienced anything out of the ordinary. I do think that under some extreme use cases depending on how the keyboard has been played the only thing that can be of concern are the key contacts as that is the part that gets the most use and experiences the most wear in general. There are so many factors but my personal experience has been very good. For the price this has to be the most dynamic I have played. I hope that you will find a similar positive experience when it comes time for you to dive in. All the best and please let me know if you have any additional questions and I will do my best to reply. All the best.
Yes, I am grateful to Studiologic for extending me the loan of this keyboard. I am hoping it works out that I can purchase it (hint: I have a link in the description if you want to help out 😉). Thanks so much for watching.
Alex, I was just thinking about this the past couple of days. I have been using the SL88: Grand since July 2020 and honestly it has been a great experience. It has been holding up and handling everything I have been able to throw at it and then some. I am planning on doing a followup video or livestream soon, please let me know if you had any specific questions or info you are looking for and I will do my best to provide some answers. Thanks so much for watching, All the best.
@@PraiseTracks please do a follow up! How does the keys gold up? Any noises from the key bed? And how do you find the weight for nuanced and fast playing?
I am planning to do a 1 year anniversary ask me anything livestream where I will share the answers to those questions and more so stay tuned 📺 Thanks so much for watching.
Nice video! Love my keyboard and yours to. I use macOS and upgraded to Big Sur. SL Editor crashed. Did clean install but also crashed. Is there anyone who did this and had good results? Make SL great.
My main machine is Windows 10 and have heard that on Mac OS things are moving slowly for complete Big Sur compatibility. I really love the SL88 Grand as the action is just like butter. I have not tapped into the SL Editor but it really looks very powerful. I use Bome MIDI Translator to manage all of my MIDI controller connections but on the road without a computer the SL88 settings would really come in handy. Thanks so much for watching and your kind words. Stay tuned!
It weighs in at almost 46 lbs, 😳 It is also very heavy on features and dynamic playability, one of the best controllers out there in its price range. Thanks for watching. All the best.
A piano being less deep is NOT a plus. It means that the keys are definitely NOT full size grand piano keys. So, they don't provide the control of longer keys and there will be a different in the amount of pressure required to push the keys down from the front to the back of a given key. For me, that is an automatic deal-breaker.
Paul, I do see where you are coming from. I think from Studiologic's point of view they were trying to find a way to build a premium weighted action that would be accessible to more musicians. If you are looking for a 1:1 piano action controller, this is definitely not it. The only controllers I have had any personal experience with are the Kawai digital pianos and some of the Roland controllers. These are specifically designed to provide a true piano action experience by providing the very things you mention. They have the keyboard grading, key length, along with escapement which is missing in I would say 99% of keyboard controllers. The Kawai VPC-1 is probably the standard when it comes to this but at almost $1900.00 it puts it out of the range of most players. Now taking a look at the Roland A88-Mk2, it has similar features and is just over $1k which makes it somewhat more attractive. I will never forget playing one of their Supernatural pianos many years ago with their Ivory Action, it was amazing. Thanks so much for watching and for the feedback, much appreciated. Wishing you a wonderful year ahead. Joyfully! 🎹
Nicely presented Simeon! Mine arrives tomorrow....looking forward to receiving it!
Thanks for the great information you provided!
Roger, you will really enjoy it. Thanks so much for watching.
Thank you so much for the detailed and insightful review, dear Simeon!
I was as exited as you haha I write music for film and media and my main master was a Doepfer LMK3. I played the SL88 grand and switched immediately. It has a superior Keybed built like a tank and easy to program. 2 years have passed and I have never encountered a single issue with it. Great purchase!
I have so enjoyed using this controller, the dynamic range is really unprecedented. I am working on integrating their MIXFACE controller into the setup and will be giving an update on that very soon. I so appreciate your kind support, thanks for watching. Joyfully 🎹
Yesss Serrr . Mine arrived a few days ago but set up today. Ohhh boy on the key bed feel. I previously owned the SL73 but had to upgrade to this. Thx so much for your insight 👍🏽
Joel, that is terrific! I know you are going to enjoy using the SL88: grand. I am so glad you found the video helpful. Please keep me posted on your progress and let me know if you ever have any questions. Joyfully!🎹
i just ordered one of these :) will be getting it by tuesday
That is great, please let me know how you do with it.
@@PraiseTracks im a little worried about how big it will be because im in a relatively small space and right now i use a key station mk3 61. but i think it will be great
Congratulations! You deserve it. Enjoy it!
Thanks for the best wishes. It is a loaner but hopefully I will be able to get some funding to keep it if it works out.
You’re welcome, Simeon! My prayer is that you receive the needed funding to keep it. In the name of Jesus, I pray. Amen.
Dr Amen!
It would be great to get an update video on how you like this keyboard now that you’ve had it for several months. I really enjoy your videos.
Well, I am actually planning on doing an AMA (Ask me Anything) livestream very soon. It will be a way to not only answer questions but use it as an opportunity to help get some additional funding so I can continue using the controller for many days to come. Stay tuned!
Thanks a lot Simeon. Nice quick overview. I’ve had the SL88 Grand for a year or so now. Great controller. Are you going to do a follow up review in the near future on the Grand?? Thanks, love the Channel 😀🤙🎹🎹🎹🎹👍🏼🎵🍻
My pleasure. In regards to a follow up review, you might see something during one of my pop up livestreams soon. I am so glad you are enjoying the channel and so appreciate the support. All the best.
@@PraiseTracks Great, will watch out for those then Simeon 👍🎹🎶
Yay, you got it! Can’t wait to watch.
I have mine on backorder and hoping it ships this week. This great way to hold me over :)
The factory was really affected by all that is going on and so it was over a month to wait but it was so worth it. To everything there is a time and for every purpose under heaven, 🤓
Thomas Anderson did you get yours yet?
Hello Mr. Amburgey. It's Sai again. I'm an amateur classical pianist and I am really hoping not to make bad decisions when buying gears. I don't really know what's best for my piano music and it turns I have only two options. Kawai VPC1 and SL88 Grand. Both of them have similar features (half-pedaling, velocity editor, wooden ivory keys, etc..) but I'll see your story with your brand new SL88. Keep this updated. Thanks.
So just looking at this from a cost perspective the SL88 Grand retails for around $899, while the Kawai VPC1 retails for $1849 which is a significant increase in cost. I do appreciate the Kawai keyboard action as bein g a piano manufacturer first it is most similar to an actual piano action. The problem is justifying that almost $1000, it would have to really be a phenomenal difference in the playing experience.
I actually rented a Kawai digital piano back in 2005 when arranging my first instrumental release and remember that experience to be very good. Right after that I purchased the SL-880; fast forward fifteen years and here is where we are today.
Stay tuned and please let me know if you have any questions about the SL88?
Hi,
Lachnit Keyboard Austria or Yamaha N1X or N3X are maybe a good choices. I have heard good references. Yamaha CLP 585 is ok, but the touch is less precise regarding to midi data and the highest velocities are not really reachable.
I have the older Studiologic SL990 Pro which (like Simeon) has served me well for the past 15 years. I've also been looking at upgrading to the Kawai VPC1, when I came across this video for the updated Studiologic SL88 Grand. I know a lot of people are critical of the plasticky nature of Fatar keybeds, so I'm intrigued by this new SL88 Grand model. As far as I can tell, all Fatar have done is updated the keys to be made of solid wood and added triple sensors - the action mechanism itself is largely unchanged. Whilst I've been personally happy with my Studiologic controller and enjoyed playing its Fatar action, I can't help but think the Kawai actions are far superior for a very realistic piano feel. The VPC1 lacks the control surfaces that the SL88 has, and is a lot bulkier and more expensive, as it contains Kawai's RM3 Grand II action. It really comes down to whether you want the ultimate in piano realism with the Kawai VPC1 or whether you are happy to sacrifice some piano action realism for the convenience and extra features of the Studiologic SL88 (not to mention the extra cash in your pocket!).
Love that Atari shirt! It’s where MIDI started for me
Thanks Ian, I actually started with the Commodore 64 and Amiga but of course loved playing Atari games. The Atari's were really ahead of their time as well, especially featuring built in MIDi ports, amazing times that paved the way for the incredible opportunities we have available today. Thanks so much for watching.
Friends! Racking my head between SL Studio and Grand. SL Studio is pleasant to the touch, but over time it will become easier, I actually saw this TP100 with my own eyes at keyboard masters atelier and there is a lot of fluidity like Vaseline, so it feels tougher than SL GRAND, but lighter in weight. I played on the old MIDI Studiologic SL-990 Pro there TP40 GH - I really liked it, it still works without any problems.
The fact is that the SL Grand now costs about $ 800. But there are a lot of bad reviews about the keyboard itself ... but at the same time, it is positioned as a keyboard of the premium segment. OK. We have a purely $ 1000 Doepfer PK88 GH without Case keyboard and are praised as one of the most reliable and indestructible keyboards around.
A reasonable question: Maybe in SL Grand (Fatar TP40 Wood) the quality of parts is worse than on Doepfer (TP40 GH) since there is such a difference in price + considering the reviews? This is my dilemma.
Vadim, Thanks fo rwatching and I can see where things could get confusing. So it does seem that Doepfer purchases the keyboard actions from FATAR and then adds their fit and finish as far as casing and electronics to them. Studiologic is Fatar's in house brand so the only thing different is the supporting electronics and housing (or lack thereof).
Regardin gmy experience with the SL88: Grand, I have been using it as a daily driver for over a year now and it has performed very well and I have not experienced any issues with it. So as with any after market company, they will buy the parts and add their spin to it as well as any markup to the price when they are selling their product.
Since Fatar owns Studiologic that extra markup will typically not be there so that would be in my opinion the difference in Studiologic and Doepfer pricing models.
Thanks so much for watching, please let me know wif you have any additional questions. All the best.
@@PraiseTracks First of all, thanks for the feedback! Regarding SL GRAND, if there is TP40, then the keyboard is indestructible! I played Older Studiologic models, these are Nero, PRO-990, and keyboards still work like clockwork! I really hope that the quality of the components in the current SL GRAND line is the same as on Doepfer and previous Studiologic models. One of my friends has an SL and his board burned out, he is very upset and says that he will definitely not take such a second keyboard ... that's why I'm thinking. I really want a Fatar 88 keyboard for piano parts. The Kawai VPC1 is huge and heavy despite being very good. And now a new line from Studiologic is coming out soon called NUMA X PIANO GT there an evolutionary keyboard from TP40 WOOD to TP400 WOOD with Triple switch detection system, Escapement, Aftertouch, Ivory feel. I will wait"
I have the main instrument SEQUENTIAL PROPHET XL, there is FATAR TP/8 , it is semi-weighted but very cool! On board, I have sampled grand pianos by me and they sound very cool, and for such sounds, I am looking for 88 keybed so that, through, for example, a 5 pin cable, I can send a signal to the same Studiologic and when there are piano parts to play on Studiologic,.
Yeaaaaah...the video I've been waiting for.
And we are just getting started!
I love your t-shirt, mate
Thanks, it’s a lot of fun to remember the crazy gear that we had to play with. Gotta love a good 2600 every once in a while. Joyfully!🎹
Hey Simeon, thanks as always. Can you do a quick update on your set up? What are your monitors, what DAW, Do you have most libraries and which are your "go to" collections? What is your input hardware? Also what cameras and software are you using? You seem to have a great sounding, great looking workflow from playing, writing, recording, video making and editing etc. Please share what you've learned putting together such an exceptional all purpose studio. Lighting is also stellar.
By the way you already saved me money after watching your unboxing of the ring light and then realizing along with you that your glasses pick up the rings. You rock!
Yep, that was crazy!
I am using the ESDDI small LED panel lights now. They have adjustable brightness an color temp. I also can power them with an adapter. Very compact and bright.
Oh that is amazing Simeon to see you testing this out. I just got here because I'm also looking for a new midi keyboard with good piano feel and to my surprise your video came up in search results. The only thing I'm affraid really are those joysticks. I never used anything else than regular MOD Wheel and I'm just sure if this is gonna work for me.. I'm so used to the wheel.
That was one of the first things that really concerned me as well. After the initial shock of these, I am surprisingly getting used to them. I especially LOVE the XY joystick as it is free floating so it is brilliant at controlling multi zoned instruments (ie. Symphonic AI) as well as mapping them to controls on some beautiful instruments like Baltic Shimmers (have you heard of them😎).
It is almost like a cross between what Roland does with the Lever and Korg has done with the combo pitch and mod joystick type of controller.
I am still in the honeymoon phase so to speak but the keybed is magnificent. Much more to come on this keyboard for sure. Thanks so much for watching.
@@PraiseTracks Great. I will take this one for consideration for sure. Thank you for this review.
Thanks for the vid!
How is the Studiologic software? Is it any good or do I have to purchase 3rd party DAW or Midi software? And does it come with a midi USB controller? Thanks! Much appreciated.
The SL88: Grand can be edited on board, but the software makes it a little easier to edit everything as there is so much you can configure in creating presets for different situations.
It can be used with any DAW as it serves as a regular MIDI keyboard device. I am currently using a Korg nanoKONTROL, to provide me with some MIDI faders and such for MIDI CC control. I also use the GSI D9x Drawbar controller when I am working with virtual tonewheel organs. I just received a Studiologic MIXFACE control surface that integrates with the SL88, and I am trying to learn how to set that up in my workflow.
I also use Bome MIDI translator to help pull things together as it is a fantastic MIDI utility that can create virtual MIDI ports as well as do some crazy routing and other things that really help when working with so many MIDI input devices.
What I absolutely LOVE about this keyboard controller is the dynamic range. I can play very softly all the way to full on FFF and it responds, this truly brings out the character of the virtual instruments I review as it can take them through their full dynamic range as well.
I hope that helps.
Keep us posted on this one. Some users were reporting issues with the keybed. Something about the keys getting physically noisy after several months.
Absolutely, this is exactly what I want to do in this journey to help provide those types of answers.
Hello Simeon,
Do you mind if I ask how is your experience with the keyboard nowadays?
Any issues so far?
(ex.: weird noises, sticking keys, etc.)
I'm thinking about getting this MIDI controller keyboard,
but I'm still a little hesitant to finally pull the trigger in the shop,
because of the reported issues that sometimea I see on forums or even in RUclips comment sections.
Thank you so much for your help, and for your nice videos, they are always such a joy to watch and listen!
Have a nice weekend!
@kaisfp , the SL88:Grand has been a solid workhorse for me coming up on my three year anniversary in July. My experience has been very positive and I have not had any hardware issue with the unit I have. Studiologic did not give me the keyboard, I was given a small consideration discount that helped but I purchased it so know for certain that I will always be transparent when communicating my experiences as that is the main reason for me being on the channel.
In my opinion the SL88:Grand is probably the best value in a weighted midi controller.
Please let me know if you have any additional questions and I will do my best to help.
Joyfully, 🤓🎹
Dear Simeon, I'm just thinking about this controller to buy but I'm very concerned about the reability. Have you had any issues with the keybed over time? I'm Italian so I think there will be no problem with spare parts cause studiologic is in Italy. Thanks you in advance
Luigi, since this video I am coming up on my third year anniversary using this controller.
I can tell you that I have not experienced any negative hardware issues or failures as it seems things have been really solid.
What I enjoy about this keyboard is the ability to get a wide range of dynamics. On some instruments you have to bump the velocity curve just a bit as it can tend to favor the softer velocities but once you get it dialed in, it is such a joy to play.
I think the SL88:Grand is a great value for the performance and versatility.
I hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Simeon can you share a few of the velocity curve settings or files that you’ve created
Hi, I have an SL-880 also but havent played it for about 10 years , are there any updates I can do or integration for Mac? I used to use a Roland JV1010 which I still have and could just do that but computers have come along now maybe this keyboard is very usable... i have piano and this was sitting around because of integration at the time still new and latency in software I tried. a few times
So the SL-880 would not have any firmware updates as it is a basic controller. You can setup zones and key splits but it can be a little difficult. I have had my SL-880 for over 15 years and I think the mainboard is having some issues but it has a very nice feel and response and served me well over the years.
What I would say is that you need some sort of MIDI interface in order to connect it to your computer. Studiologic's newer controllers have built in USB MIDI which is nice.
I have used PreSonus and Focusrite interfaces and they all seemed to work very well with the SL-880, you just need a couple of MIDI cables to connect it to the interface.
I hope that helps, please let me know if you have any further questions. Joyfully!
@@PraiseTracks I used to use the bosedorpher sample piano and it sounded very good with KOTACT but there was just too much latency back 20 years ago.... so went with roland modules.. I still have my midi interface for it too to usb... however i do have a focus-right i didnt think of trying that... thanks! my SL880 still plays great for my needs !
My pleasure. Keep me posted on your progress. Joyfully.
Hi Simeon, I'm toying with the idea of buying the SL73 Studio. Please let me know if it's worth it! I can't play the piano, but the SL73 is very helpful for my productions! My music is a mixture of classical and cinematic music and that's why I need a keaboard! I have a Yamaha SX600 at the moment but I can't use that for this!
Please be so kind and let me know what you think about it. Thanks and keep up the good work, your videos are really great!
I think that would be a great choice. The SL73 Studio has a weighted action of course but not one as heavy as the SL88: Grand which uses a wooden keybed. The touch on the studio would still be more than just on a synth keyboard and would give you possibly the best of both worlds. I have my older SL880 that has been with me for over 15 years and it has the lighter action but it was a great keyboard.
Thanks for the kind words and for supporting the channel, I really appreciate it. Please let me know if you have any additional questions, it would be my pleasure to help. Joyfully! 🎹
What are your views after 1 year ? And will it work fine with FL studio ?
Stalking the FedEx guy. Been there.
Oh yes, and the Ring doorbell is a great thing to have 😎 I am hoping to do a follow up AMA (Ask Me Anything) to share my experiences with the controller, so stay tuned. Thanks so much for watching,
Hi Simeon. I enjoy many of your videos. Your use of the SL88 Grand also affected my recent purchase. My SL88 Grand just showed up a few days ago. I still am unable to get functionality out of my SUSTAIN PEDAL. Did you experience any problems with your sustain pedal in the early stages. Is there a setting that I should be aware of?
I have not done a firmware download yet.
Lastly, What are your 3 most favorite Piano Libraries?
Yes, each of the pedal inputs can be assigned to a specific controller number, this is especially true when using input jack 4 (Universal) as it can support a switch pedal, the 3 pedal controller, and even an expression pedal. You need to go into one of the ZONEs and check the settings there. Each zone can actually have different pedal assignments depending on how you need to configure things in your setup.
Here is a short video to show you how to do it: ruclips.net/video/Yhzv_LegFhI/видео.html
does anyone knowa how to factory set slgrand power went off on my laptop during an upgrade of frimware and everything not turning up anymore
Sir, I'm happy to see you happy, you look like a kid getting a Christmas present:)
I have one question:
what is the big difference between the sl88 studio and the sl88 grand beside the wooden keys?
thx in advance
Well, my excitement comes from the gratefulness I feel to be able to have these opportunities to share. I love music and being able to help others discover solutions that will help them go further in their musical path.
In a nutshell, the keyboard construction is what sets these two apart.
The SL88 Grand has the solid wooden keys and key tops while the SL88 Studio has the weighted plastic core keybed.
My older SL880 has the plastic keybed and so I could tell a big difference initially in how the different keybeds felt.
Thanks so much for watching. All the best.
Thanks for the video. I purchased SL88 grand and love it. I’m a bit confused on how to map the 4 areas using SL editor. There seem not to be enough online resources, and manual doesn’t help either. Could you elaborate how should map this to my DAW? (I use GarageBand and Mainstage) and don’t mind buying Logic Pro if necessary? I need to be able to have a set of sound loaded on my DAW and then change them from keyboard knob. Is that possible? I.e. P0001 1-Piano / 2-String / 3-Guitar / 4-Brass, P0002 Flute, String, Horn, Obeb) so when I change from P0001 to P0002 I get all the VST sound that I set accordingly?
Mehdi, I will have to look into it but I think it is possible. It probably depends on how your virtual instrument can receive bank and preset messages. You can actually have four controller zones per program on the SL88 that can be combined or turned off individually. There is a lot of control you can have here. I will let you know what I find out.
All the best.
@@PraiseTracks thank you Simeon, I really appreciate your assistance in my midi journey, we’re SL buddies now 😀, I wish there was a SL club or something that people could interact with each other and educate themselves
@@MinimalUnbox, so I do have a MacBook but mainly run everything from my Windows setup. What virtual instruments are you using in your setup and I can see if they can receive the program changes.
It would also be interesting if you could somehow send me your MainStage Concert file (praisetracks@gmail.com) so I could possibly try pulling it into my MacBook MainStage and see what happens.
As always I will see what I can do.
@@PraiseTracks that would be extremely helpful. I will create a concert and will send it to you tomorrow. Thanks!
On a separate note, today I got Spitfire (Startus: Olafur Arnald) vst, at 40% off, and I really like it!
Hi Simon and congrats for the great videos you make! I have a question regarding the SL88Grand… any changes in the keybed action/noises/keys over the time? I have a SL 88 Studio and I loved it from start, but now after an year some keys got noisier and feel like they re gonna break of some point cause they sounds like plastic on plastic or metal, don t have the same touch when they are pressed like they used to have. I really appreciate your answer cause maybe I’ll switch to a Grand in the future (Doepfer or Physis are a little too expensive).Thank you in advance!
I would say that I have not noticed a significant increase in noise. I would suspect that what you might be experiencing is the expected wear of some of the felt used to help dampen some of the noise. I watched a video recently of someone replacing some of the felt and other components in order to lessen the keyboard noise, it was very interesting, I will try to link it here in the comments.
I also have a 16 year old SL-880 that has many miles on it and it can get pretty klunky to say the least. I think the one thing we all would love is a true hammer action that is quiet. I will keep you posted.
Thanks so much for watching and the kind encouragement.
Check this out 🤓
ruclips.net/video/ZWplHbi6t0U/видео.html
Also, Doepfer and I would suspect Viscount of sourcing their keybeds from Fatar (Studiologic). They build out the case or additional MIDI controls around the TP40 or TP100 platform. It is a very interesting situation to say the least.
Oh,thanks for nswers. I did already see the video with replacing the foam felt and surely is the same issue, but if this happened just after one year it will happen again after repair. The system itself is not so good. I don t mind too much the noise but I mind if the keys will broken 😃and wanted to know if the Grand has the same issue. Anyway I will speak with the dealer cause the controller is in warranty and also I ll send a message to Studiologic,just to know what they say about this, cause mine isn t the first case with this issue. Maybe I can return it and with some extra money I ll get the Grand.
Thank you for sharing !! where I can find the full review? thank you!!
Christian, I have not yet done a full review as such, but it will be something that I will try and do very soon. Having the controller now for the past two years has been an extremely positive experience. Please let me know what questions you might have about it, as I can include those points in a future follow-up. Thanks for watching. Joyfully!
Dear Simeon,
I follow Your videos and time has come to purchase MIDI controller that allows me better to control piano sounds in my digital piano.
Are You still using Studiologic SL88 Grand, and do You plan to upgrade (for example, Numa piano X GT with new TP400 keybed)?
Yes, I still have the SL88: Grand and have found it to be very reliable in my case. It is going on almost 4 years since I started using it which doesn't seem possible.
At first it felt heavy compared to what I had been using in the past which was the Studiologic SL-880 which is over 15 years old. Its keybed while weighted was still not as heavy as the Fatar wooded weighted action.
I find that the SL88: Grand is very powerful and is probably the best fully weighted controller in its price range. What I enjoy is the overall dynamic range of the keyboard. I feel I can get into the very softest layers in a library and still have enough to go all the way to the top of the range. Of course, you might have to make adjustments that are compatible with your style of playing but its there.
I also enjoy having the extended MIDI control options (zones, keysplits, etc.). I do not use that feature much as mostly I do it inside of the DAW or particular instrument.
I would say unless Studiologic sent me one of the newer keyboards, I am happy to continue using the SL88: Grand ;^)
@@PraiseTracks Thank You for immediate and most thorough answer. It means a lot to me. I am in need of that kind of controller (softest dynamic levels in mind) because of my issues with left hamd nerves, and I have hard time to play soft legato in left hand. I tried one (SL88 Grand) without being patched to anything, just to feel the keys under my fingers and it felt realy nice. At the end, it is 1000 euros cheaper than Numa x piano GT (although reportedly even better keybed, but I don't need audio interface, nor built in piano sounds).
Thanks once more, and keep up the good work trying sounds for us.
God Bless!
@joskomestrov-uroda4012 so sorry to hear of the issue with your left had. With that in mind be sure the extra weight of the SL88: Grand will not be an issue.
As I mentioned coming from a lighter keyboard to the SL88: Grand took some adjustment as while the keyboard felt wonderful, it took a little extra strength to play. Having to play harder could possibly cause fatigue and you would not want to increase any issues you are already dealing with. More hands on might be a good idea to just make sure before you make your purchase. Joyfully yours!
@@PraiseTracks
Hm, You gave me something to think about. Currently, I am using Kurzweil Forte with Fatar TP40L keybed, that is great multi purpose keyboard, but for acoustic pianos (which I love the most to play and improvise/compose), not so good. Level of control in softest dynamic values is very inconsistent. Basicaly, I can get no MIDI on note around 10 or less. I like to play softly, so there I am left wanting more control. My issues are more on motoric side, so keybed that allows easier access to softest tones is big plus for me. I will defonitely try to try SL88 Grand with some kind of sound modul, maybe even my laptop (those Boz pianos caught my attention).
Thanks for every piece of advice.
Great review. Is there a standalone software so i can play piano without opening my daw all the time? Or is SL Editor capable of it
Hello Felix, many virtual instruments have standalone versions, with Pianoteq coming to mind especially for pianos.
Pianoteq also has a very basic MIDI recorder as well as always listening in the background and capturing your playing when inspiration strikes.
Kontakt also has a stand alone player, along with the VSL Synchron pianos.
Another option is UNIFY, which is a plug-in host and stand alone performance host that has a lot of sounds and performance capabilities.
The SL Editor is only for configuring the controllers themselves.
Thanks so much for watching. All the best.
Dear Simeon, thank you very much for the information about StudioLogic SL 88 grand. I wanted to consult with you, as a former musician, about choosing a midi keyboard. I worked for 13 years with logic VMK 188 plus which satisfied me. Now it started having problems (the pedal doesn't work) and I would like to choose another one with a good keyboard (as for a pianist). I use the keyboard only at home. I write music more symphonic, Christian. I have no opportunity to touch base with you to test out the keyboards. What’s a better option? Roland A88 mk2 or Studio logic SL88 Grand? Or something else? I don't use arpeggiator and split keyboard. I use the tool only in my home studio. I'm using BandLab Cakewalk. And yet, which one can connect a small midi controller with Faders. Please advise me. Thank you in advance. Best regards Nikolay.
Nokolay, So I have been looking into this and it seems that I always tend to go back to the SL88 Grand. Fatar (Studiologic's parent company) build the keybeds for most of the controllers you will see for Arturia, Native Instruments and some others. Korg, Roland, Kawai, and a few others build their own keybeds. What you will find in the Roland and Kawai especially is "escapement", this is the part where you press down and it sort of catches and then bumps through to the note, exactly as you would experience it on a physical piano keyboard. While this makes a difference to some of the feel ,I do not think it is a total deal breaker unless you needed it specifically.
What makes the keybed on the SL88 Grand special is that it is the fully weighted "wooded" keybed. I love the Arturia and Native Instruments keyboards, especially Native Instruments integration with virtual instruments and Arturia's addition of controls, which is very impressive. What happens however is they use a slightly lower range keybed below the one used in the SL88 Grand which can make a difference.
The SL88 Grand's keybed from my experience is full of playable dynamic range where I can play very lightly and the virtual instruments (especially the VSL Synchron Pianos) respond beautifully. The weight initially was something I had to get used to as I was using an older (around 15 years) Studiologic SL-880 which used the weighted plastic top keys.
That are some thoughts for now, I will try and follow up with more soon.
All the best.
Could you please share what you are using for pedals?
Of course, I just updated that in the video description.
Nice vid - downvote for the Atari shirt ;) Amigaaaaaaaaaa
So would you reconsider if I told you my first music computer was. C64 and I moved to an Amiga 2000 for many years working with Bars and Pipes for many years. I actually ran Forever Amiga emulators on my Windows PCs just so I could still run some of my favorite Amiga titles.
They were very much ahead of the times.
@@PraiseTracks Oh nice, was just joking of course. Thumbs up all the way :) Those were the days. Still using my A4000 every now and then.
I wish I would have kept both the C64 and the 2000. They were truly amazing machines for what they were doing for the time.
Wow
I agree 🤓 Thanks so much for watching.
Hi! Great review, but may I ask does it support headphones output to play quietly?
Thanks so much Dion. So, the SL88: Grand is a controller and does not have any type of audio capabilities, only MIDI functionality. You would connect this to your computer through USB or one of the dedicated MIDI outputs to use in your favorite Music production software platform.
Does the usb cable come with the SL88 studio/grand?
No it does not come with the SL88, I thought I mentioned it in the video but watching again, I was not specific to whether it was included, sorry. Thanks so much for watching and let me know if you have any additional questions.
Hey Brother, there are two huge pre-purchase questions I have regarding the SL88 that I would love for you to answer in the future as you get used to playing it, if you don’t mind:
1) How does the velocity curve of the SL88 feel overall when playing the Garritan CFX, VSL CFX and VSL Steinway?
2) How does the Fatar TP/40 WOOD keybed feel when playing is strings & Brass, especially Legato? Does the “real piano feel” hinder that a little? I can always grab something like an iRig 37 if needed.
Paulie, right out of the box the velocity curve feels fine actually. I have not had a chance to play many libraries with it but and thinking of doing a livestream or video where I pull up different piano libraries and see how they respond.
The SL88 Grand gives you so much flexibility in adjusting the curves, you have so many ways to adjust and store custom curves, even on a per note basis.
As far as question 2, let me think about that some more. I know for playing finger drums the extra weight kind of felt good. The only difference I notice is the weight prevents very quick repetitive playing, so much more to come.
@@PraiseTracks Actually, I ordered it today with the MixFace. Don't know when Sweetwater will GET it to ship, but I'm ready! I will find out those questions once it arrives and I stay in my home studio for a week straight, lol! Appreciate you Brother! ✝
Paulie D , you will definitely enjoy it. I heard that a price increase for the SL88 was coming and an actual price drop on their Mixface, so hopefully you were able to get a good price.
One thing you definitely need to look into is the 3 pedal controller. It only uses one of the pedal inputs so it allows you to accommodate MORE pedals! 😳
Keep me posted my friend.
God bless you brother. Was not Roland's newest A-88 MKII controller ($999) with Midi v.2.0 an option? PHA-4 with Escapement. It's the same price as the StudioLogic SL88 Grand. It's brand new and I think it's was out when you uploaded this video. Thanks.
One of the nicest actions I ever played was on a Roland V Piano, it was amazing. I have been playing a Studiologic SL-880 for around 15 years and it is starting show signs of wear and failure. I reached out to Studiologic and they set me up with a loan of the SL88 Grand which I am so grateful for. My time expires at the end of November so I am trying to raise finds so I can purchase it. Things being the way they are it has been very difficult but I am hopeful.
@@PraiseTracks - I hope you get it, brother. I hear ya!
The V-Piano was one of the nicest? Then you're in for a treat if you are all about the action. The V-Piano employs the PHAiii while the Roland A-88 MKii I referenced employs the PHA-4 action. What's more, the same PHA-4 is also on the Roland FP-30 and I'm about to walk into Guitar Center in two seconds to fiddle around with the FP-30......the FP-30 is a few hundred dollars less than both the StudioLogic SL88 Grand and Roland's newest A-88 MKii. It's the battle between Fatar TP/40wood and Roland's PHA-4 Wood with Escapement. Tough call.
If money is of issue, like it is for us all, then I'm thinking about that FP-30 since it's $699 with $30 monthly payments to pay it off (SweetWater) and employs an action that is better than the V-Piano. Kind of a win-win for the super budget-conscience folks.
@@mr.c1989 Hi, Can the FP30 be used as a controller for my hardware synths. I understand it doesn’t have sliders etc,but I’m just after a premium keybed to play my other equipment.
@@philipslade6810 - The FP-30 will work fine as a controller if you're going straight to a computer via USB for things like VSTs, DAWs, etc. For hardware you'll need a USB/MIDI host (Kenton has a good one) to convert the USB signal to real MIDI. The FP30 is now replaced with the brand new FP-30x.
Just get a dedicated controller from Roland. It sounds like you're after the Keybed in the FP30 which is only the PHA-4, which is very good but also in a lot of other Roland keyboards. That Keybed is in the new Roland A-88 mkii "real" controller. If you need a controller, just get that, it does more than what an FP30 can do in terms of controller features.
You can use VST's in the A-88 MKii and it's a full length 88-keys, exact same key action as in the newer FP-30x and FP-60x.
I'm not a pro, so that's all I really know. Lol
Cheers.
The tops of the keys are plastic with a rap round wood veneer on a plastic bass. So just enough wood to trick people into thinking they have made a great choice for the extra money you're paying.
Personally I think the studio is way more bang for the bucks.
The reason why they build them like this is because the keys can worpe if they were made from all wood.
why nothing on hooking it up?
This was like an initial unboxing, but I am planning to go into more detail soon. Also on many of the live streams I answer questions about how things are set up.
I am planning a live Ask Me Anything to focus on this note so stay tuned. 📺
Also, if you have any questions, I will do my best to assist.
Hey Simeon, hope you're doing well... I wanted to let you know that I almost saved up enough money to buy this particular controller you're using. But before buying I wanted to get feedbacks from you. Alot of Sl88 grand users mentioned of encountering problems with it after sometime of usage, hence I am kind of confused whether I should buy it or not.Did you face any sorts of problem with the Sl88 Grand so far ? Looking forward for your reply :)
Hello Sakef, well I have been using the SL88:Grand almost every day for a little over a year and it has held up very well.
It has not been moved around so I guess that has helped keep things stable.
As far as reliability I have not experienced anything out of the ordinary. I do think that under some extreme use cases depending on how the keyboard has been played the only thing that can be of concern are the key contacts as that is the part that gets the most use and experiences the most wear in general.
There are so many factors but my personal experience has been very good.
For the price this has to be the most dynamic I have played.
I hope that you will find a similar positive experience when it comes time for you to dive in.
All the best and please let me know if you have any additional questions and I will do my best to reply.
All the best.
@@PraiseTracks thank you so much for giving such a detailed feedback on the Sl88, truly means alot :)
PS: Your piano skills are amazing 😍🎹
@@sakefchowdhury9668 , My pleasure. Thanks so much for you rkind words and support. Joyfully!
Hi Simeon, can you make a video about UVI Labs TRUE KEYS PIANOS? They're on sale now so I want to know what you think about them. Thanks.
Yes, I am planning on covering these soon, stay tuned 📺
Just finished the VI Labs True Keys Bundle video and it should be up later tonight. Stay tuned!
Here it comes:
ruclips.net/video/cQWKSRqP5Aw/видео.html
I wish I can have that one 😇🙏
Yes, I am grateful to Studiologic for extending me the loan of this keyboard. I am hoping it works out that I can purchase it (hint: I have a link in the description if you want to help out 😉). Thanks so much for watching.
Good day Simeon, how has the SL 88 been holding up for you?
Alex, I was just thinking about this the past couple of days. I have been using the SL88: Grand since July 2020 and honestly it has been a great experience. It has been holding up and handling everything I have been able to throw at it and then some. I am planning on doing a followup video or livestream soon, please let me know if you had any specific questions or info you are looking for and I will do my best to provide some answers. Thanks so much for watching,
All the best.
@@PraiseTracks thanks for the quick response Simeon. I’ll be sure to tune in for the livestream and check out the video!
@@PraiseTracks please do a follow up! How does the keys gold up? Any noises from the key bed? And how do you find the weight for nuanced and fast playing?
I am planning to do a 1 year anniversary ask me anything livestream where I will share the answers to those questions and more so stay tuned 📺
Thanks so much for watching.
Nice video! Love my keyboard and yours to. I use macOS and upgraded to Big Sur. SL Editor crashed. Did clean install but also crashed. Is there anyone who did this and had good results? Make SL great.
My main machine is Windows 10 and have heard that on Mac OS things are moving slowly for complete Big Sur compatibility. I really love the SL88 Grand as the action is just like butter. I have not tapped into the SL Editor but it really looks very powerful. I use Bome MIDI Translator to manage all of my MIDI controller connections but on the road without a computer the SL88 settings would really come in handy.
Thanks so much for watching and your kind words. Stay tuned!
is it heavy
It weighs in at almost 46 lbs, 😳 It is also very heavy on features and dynamic playability, one of the best controllers out there in its price range. Thanks for watching. All the best.
A piano being less deep is NOT a plus. It means that the keys are definitely NOT full size grand piano keys. So, they don't provide the control of longer keys and there will be a different in the amount of pressure required to push the keys down from the front to the back of a given key. For me, that is an automatic deal-breaker.
Paul, I do see where you are coming from. I think from Studiologic's point of view they were trying to find a way to build a premium weighted action that would be accessible to more musicians.
If you are looking for a 1:1 piano action controller, this is definitely not it.
The only controllers I have had any personal experience with are the Kawai digital pianos and some of the Roland controllers. These are specifically designed to provide a true piano action experience by providing the very things you mention. They have the keyboard grading, key length, along with escapement which is missing in I would say 99% of keyboard controllers.
The Kawai VPC-1 is probably the standard when it comes to this but at almost $1900.00 it puts it out of the range of most players.
Now taking a look at the Roland A88-Mk2, it has similar features and is just over $1k which makes it somewhat more attractive.
I will never forget playing one of their Supernatural pianos many years ago with their Ivory Action, it was amazing.
Thanks so much for watching and for the feedback, much appreciated.
Wishing you a wonderful year ahead.
Joyfully! 🎹