I honestly don't know why brands think that adding gems will make watches automatically attractive to women. Just make the regular watches 38 or 36mm and we will buy them. Not all of us like everything bejeweled. I like the speedy reduced of the 90s. it fits and looks very much like the regular speedy.
Anyone knocking Orient Star clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. These watches are meticulously finished by hand, in house everything. They can also be had for $1500 from Japan, and in my opinion, at that price it smashes everything.
Sort of know what Orient Star is doing with their basic date model… but the execution is just fugly and god awful… and what’s with the crazy price? I mean how would these sell if they are not discounted by 40% or more?
I just don't get Orient's appeal. I've bought - and sold a few over the years and have been appalled by the thick and clunky cases, jangly bracelets and garish designs.
Amazing that Christopher Ward produced this skeletonized Twelve while ticking all the desirable boxes, except the design of the skeleton/dial: it just lacks a discernable, esthetically pleasing form. I can't understand this.
@@trogpo I mean it pretty much has no competition at 5000€ but what bothers me is that you'll get the same watch in stainless steel with the same finishing from the same brand for a bit over 1000€. Why would you spend 4000€ more just to get a titanium case and a different movement?
Seiko groups strategy to my eyes is having Lorus be the value for money proposition that swiko used to hold and have seiko as the higher tier with orient being the middle man... that way seiko can justify the price increases and have the other brands in the group top up the budget/ value for money options that seiko used to have models in... its the only possible explanation I can see for price increases in the seiko line and orient at the moment.... Great video as always 😊
Wow, Christopher Ward continues to amaze me and grab my attention! Since the Bel Canto and the Moon aventurine dial watch, this skeleton watch is so attractive. Kudos to Christopher Ward for being new, innovative, and constantly developing watches that collectors want to buy! Plus Christopher Ward makes their watches affordable & available! Kudos to 24Hours at a Time for bringing us this relevant new content. Short & to the point every time without any hype!
Thank you! I agree with you on the Christopher Ward. I think most of their latest watches have been winners. I also really like this skeleton dial Twelve.
Love the videos mate, you do an understanding job. I’m always wondering what watch you’ve got on in these videos. Maybe a wrist check at the start?! 😉 keep it up 👍🏻
Tbh everything is going bonkers expensive nowadays, watches are no exception, they werent ever cheap if you really think what they are. You certainly know shit has hit the fan when You have ORIENTs and CWs commanding 3 to 5k $ prices. Time to switch the hobby or just support new upcoming micros.
Common practice it is. Take an SW200, engrave your brandname on the rotor and the in-house movement is created. Even brands like IWC, Panerei, Breitling and so on. It's sad but it is all about the green.
I have an inexpensive Orient Star Classic with the power reserve on top, white dial. It’s a 39mm so it helps with the symmetry when it comes to empty space. Still, I’d rather have the date window replace the marker at 3 instead of being to the left of it. It’s a nice watch, nonetheless.
Orient and CW are shooting for the moon here with considerable price hikes and for me both missed. I own a CW with the sh21 which I bought in a sale for £500 not so long ago. I also picked up an Orient Star dive watch for £300 in late '23. Inflation and some!! Enjoy these vids. Solid info with no "review fee" hype in the mix.
I think orient try to do the same than seiko and citizen,both have also expensive models,orient i think had capacity to do good mouvment and why not expensive model to? Orient have reputation of poor asian brand only for country of third category,its snobisme against the brand,i worn different model of orient and there acurach was the same than seiko at alf of the price,orient need to find an iconic model just like citizen do with tsuyosa or serie 8 who change the image of the brand,if they do that they could have a new image with customer,but in general its a decent brand..of clurse i dont know this expensive model and i dont know if the price is the good price,not sure....
The Christopher Ward is fantastic, but it’s completely out of range in realistic terms . Skelton movements are a novelty. It would be great to see them bringing in their own movement at a lower price point.
Happy Sunday again! I don’t like the new orient star and I don’t like it’s a logo. They need to stick what they do best. This would be like McDonald’s putting a New York strip steak on the menu.
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I honestly don't know why brands think that adding gems will make watches automatically attractive to women. Just make the regular watches 38 or 36mm and we will buy them. Not all of us like everything bejeweled. I like the speedy reduced of the 90s. it fits and looks very much like the regular speedy.
That was also the feedback from my wife haha
I think those companies should hire more women to design watches!
@@24hourstime agreed
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@@24hourstimemen know what women want more than women, every time
non-watch people are definitely attracted to them hence why they are keep making them i think
Anyone knocking Orient Star clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. These watches are meticulously finished by hand, in house everything. They can also be had for $1500 from Japan, and in my opinion, at that price it smashes everything.
Exactly
Seiko’s price hikes have infected Orient.
Soprod movement… is part of Fossil group
Lol! Your dog is just staring
He falls asleep eventually.
😂
He's judging all of us
Sort of know what Orient Star is doing with their basic date model… but the execution is just fugly and god awful… and what’s with the crazy price? I mean how would these sell if they are not discounted by 40% or more?
I just don't get Orient's appeal. I've bought - and sold a few over the years and have been appalled by the thick and clunky cases, jangly bracelets and garish designs.
I do not own one, but my friends do. They are extremely affordable and reliable, which attracts new collectors to the watch hobby!
Same experience. Not a fan.
Look fw to these videos each week. Concise with great info and opinion. I suspect lot of work to get to that product
Thank you very much!
Amazing that Christopher Ward produced this skeletonized Twelve while ticking all the desirable boxes, except the design of the skeleton/dial: it just lacks a discernable, esthetically pleasing form. I can't understand this.
Yeah and they forgot that they are supossed to be an affordable brand
@@kws4e Yes, this is a gradual process they go through, unfraternally.
@@trogpo I mean it pretty much has no competition at 5000€ but what bothers me is that you'll get the same watch in stainless steel with the same finishing from the same brand for a bit over 1000€. Why would you spend 4000€ more just to get a titanium case and a different movement?
@@kws4e Thanks, yes, I see your point.
@@kws4e What do you mean no competition, you have Defys starting at 5 grand and its miles better than a CW.
Seiko groups strategy to my eyes is having Lorus be the value for money proposition that swiko used to hold and have seiko as the higher tier with orient being the middle man... that way seiko can justify the price increases and have the other brands in the group top up the budget/ value for money options that seiko used to have models in... its the only possible explanation I can see for price increases in the seiko line and orient at the moment.... Great video as always 😊
Thanks you. I think your theory makes a lot of sense!
Wow, Christopher Ward continues to amaze me and grab my attention! Since the Bel Canto and the Moon aventurine dial watch, this skeleton watch is so attractive. Kudos to Christopher Ward for being new, innovative, and constantly developing watches that collectors want to buy! Plus Christopher Ward makes their watches affordable & available!
Kudos to 24Hours at a Time for bringing us this relevant new content. Short & to the point every time without any hype!
Thank you! I agree with you on the Christopher Ward. I think most of their latest watches have been winners. I also really like this skeleton dial Twelve.
The "XII" is what kills the Orient for me. I don't really understand putting only one roman numeral on a dial.
Really great new releases. If I had to pick one hmmmm... I'd go with Christopher Ward The Twelve Skeleton Watch, with the Omega being a close second.
Consistent and fair information regarding new releases, always. Keep up the great videos and love your Frenchie.
Thank you very much!
Love the videos mate, you do an understanding job. I’m always wondering what watch you’ve got on in these videos. Maybe a wrist check at the start?! 😉 keep it up 👍🏻
Tbh everything is going bonkers expensive nowadays, watches are no exception, they werent ever cheap if you really think what they are. You certainly know shit has hit the fan when You have ORIENTs and CWs commanding 3 to 5k $ prices. Time to switch the hobby or just support new upcoming micros.
Thank god for some new micro brands offering great values!
Did you say the Orient was $3,000? I had a Meteor shower of tears 😢
LOL
Oh right, now I understand where you are supposed to see the meteor shower, in a mirror 😅
Zodiac have been owned by Fossil for over 20 years…
It's a stretch to call an stp movement 'in-house' although fossil do own them. It's a bit like Certina or Tissot calling an ETA movement 'in-house'!
Thanks for this explanation!
Common practice it is. Take an SW200, engrave your brandname on the rotor and the in-house movement is created. Even brands like IWC, Panerei, Breitling and so on. It's sad but it is all about the green.
The cost is justified when you think about how much magenta Epson must have used to print those dials
Please, no more tatoos.
Ooh yes, all fantastic watches, but the prices are getting out of hand...why?
I have an inexpensive Orient Star Classic with the power reserve on top, white dial. It’s a 39mm so it helps with the symmetry when it comes to empty space. Still, I’d rather have the date window replace the marker at 3 instead of being to the left of it. It’s a nice watch, nonetheless.
Orient and CW are shooting for the moon here with considerable price hikes and for me both missed. I own a CW with the sh21 which I bought in a sale for £500 not so long ago. I also picked up an Orient Star dive watch for £300 in late '23. Inflation and some!! Enjoy these vids. Solid info with no "review fee" hype in the mix.
I think orient try to do the same than seiko and citizen,both have also expensive models,orient i think had capacity to do good mouvment and why not expensive model to? Orient have reputation of poor asian brand only for country of third category,its snobisme against the brand,i worn different model of orient and there acurach was the same than seiko at alf of the price,orient need to find an iconic model just like citizen do with tsuyosa or serie 8 who change the image of the brand,if they do that they could have a new image with customer,but in general its a decent brand..of clurse i dont know this expensive model and i dont know if the price is the good price,not sure....
The Christopher Ward is fantastic, but it’s completely out of range in realistic terms . Skelton movements are a novelty. It would be great to see them bringing in their own movement at a lower price point.
Happy Sunday again! I don’t like the new orient star and I don’t like it’s a logo. They need to stick what they do best. This would be like McDonald’s putting a New York strip steak on the menu.
Happy Sunday! Well said. There is nothing wrong with making great affordable watches. Not everything has to be luxury/ expensive.
Essentially a Grand Seiko rip off or homage. However you want to phrase it.
Honestly i like all the watches because that's my passion good job.💯👍
that Speedmaster is offensively bad, my eyes are bleeding
That maurice lacroix reminds me of the cocktail time manhattan
when they started stamping the EPSON logo on on the back i knew this brand was done!
The movement in the Zodiac is made by STP (Swiss Technology Production), an independent movement manufacturer. It isn't in-house.
Oh I see. Thank you for that clarification:)) I was wondering how they were able to make an in-house movement and charge so "little"
too bad they dont bring back the Royal Orient line… that was supposed to be Grand Seiko level for the Orient brand..
I’ve only ever heard bad things about the Zodiac STP movements unfortunately.
Thank you, Oleg for this watch review and for bringing up the Lacroix. I had not seen that one before really liked it.
An awful lot of watch makers seem stuck in 2022 when it comes to prices, they are going to see a huge drop in sales
the silver dial looked like its trying to immitate the GS Shunbun’s dial…
Let see, a 38mm is perfect for ladies, and a 39mm is not unisex. Yeah sure
$3000, what? It looks like a $120 watch.
As usual good vid mate.
Thank you very much!
Silly ukraine flag
Orient to Orient star it is NOT the same as Seiko to Grand Seiko
Yeah, OS is more like a Seiko presage