I had pre-ordered the R7 but cancelled because of the rolling shutter and noisy mechanical shutter. So, those are my main requests for the R7 Mark II. They also need to get the AF on par with the R6 II and R8. A battery grip would also be nice. I'm not holding my breath on a stacked sensor, since the more expensive R6 II didn't get it.
I know a lot of people dislike the R7... but I love it. However, there are some things I wish it had, like a battery grip, and less rolling shutter. But this is a fantastic video camera, especially with the auto-level feature (which I use constantly). I hope the mark II keeps at least the 33mp, I don't want anything less than that.
What made you mention dynamic range? The dynamic range of the R7 is actually good. I haven't had any DR issues at all in 18mths of using the camera. Improving the dynamic range is a good thing, for sure, but it's certainly not an issue as it is now. I hope they retain the rear dial position as its brilliant! I'm guessing you've never used an R7. My FF cameras' rear dials feel awkward and nowhere near as ergonomic. The R7 wheel is literally right next to your thumb. You move about 1mm to start turning the dial. It's perfect. The buffer is perfectly fine if you shoot cRaw. It does at least 120 shots before the buffer fills, if you shoot at 15fps, which is 8 secs of shooting. You just need a reasonable SD card. I'm sure people are clueless about the R7.
Even though it's not perfect, I can work with the R7 rearwheel. But a 32mp stacked sensor on a R7 mk II would be a very substantial upgrade, especially if they can give the improved AF of the R6 mk II 😮
I'll take 24mp stacked any day, good enough for me. If they do 33mp, it better be an actual improved one too. Many tests have shown that the 33mp on the R7 doesn't resolve that much more than 26mp sensors in other brands. We got more resolution and the slowness of the sensor that goes with it for not much benefits.
The R7 rear wheel is one of the best ideas Canon has come out with in years, in terms of ergonomics. After using that, my full frame cameras feel weird and much more awkward to reach. The vertical rear dial is literally right next to where your thumb rests!
@cooloox Thank you! I thought I was the only one that liked that rear wheel. I was playing around with the R6/mkII and found it weird not having one to tune my aperture.
Keep body same size, stacked 32.5mp APS-c. Keep everything on the menu and body the same and I'm first in line. I am currently an R7 shooter and have very few complaints about the camera. Rolling shutter does happen but it's not a huge deal, if I'm shooting flying birds etc. I just use mechanical. Frame rate at 30 is more than I need. I use 15 even with electronic. Just the opinion from an R7 shooter
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Simon, I'm OK with a price increase if the new camera is enough better than the version 1 to warrant the price. Things cost money, that's just a fact of life these days.
I've used the R7 since it was launched as a stepping stone to get used to the mirrorless system while I wait for Canon to have a stacked sensor full frame mirrorless body with north of 30 megapixels. I photograph wildlife, especially birds, and I still use DSLRs when I want full frame. The R7 is a compromise camera in so many ways. It can produce very nice images but you have to understand its limitations and work with or around them. If an R7ii comes along with a stacked sensor and little to no rolling shutter, a much larger buffer, much faster readout speed, at least one CFExpress slot, more consistent AF and the option to add a grip then I'll happily pay a significant price increase for it , to go alongside whatever full frame mirrorless body I end up buying. It would also be nice if Canon redesigned its RAW Burst Mode from the bottom up because the current setup is a mess - but that's not unique to the R7. As it stands, the R7 is a camera I really want to like, but there are just too many things about it that are working against you in the field when shooting wildlife - which is a large part of this camera's target audience.
As an R7 user, here's my wish list. -A slight bump in resolution is fine, as long as the stacked sensor is included. -The AF loses my moving subject a bit too easily. So maybe more AF points or better software. -The buffer needs to be larger. I'm actually fine with that rear control wheel, the EVF, and flippy screen...though with the later 2, I won't complain of the upgrade. And I do find V90 cards plenty fast with the added bonus of being cheaper than CFEx. As much as I'd like for these, I'm ok with my R7. It's only been 2 years. But I wouldn't hesitate to trade in if this turns out to be true, and scrap my idea of having a complimentary R6mkii to my R7.
The R7 has outstanding focus compared to a dslr, sub par focusing when compared to an R8, R6, and R5. It just seems to move forward of the subject even with eye af locked on. I suspect and have heard the readout speed of the sensor is just slow, also causing rolling shutter, also the mechanical shutter, which is required for birds is too loud. Keep the 32 mp or increase, speed up the sensor itself, quiet the shutter and it will be my next purchase. The R7 will be the shortest time I owned a camera. Make it a stacked sensor with the 200 to 800, and everyone can just go home.
The R7's aperture wheel is the best option ever made on Canon bodies... actually, it was the main reason to buy an R body cause all the time wondering why Canon doesn't do it yet so easy to reach for thump "LOVE IT". i own 20D, 1D iii, 1Ds ii, 60D, 2 of 70D, 2 of 7D ii, 2 of 5Ds, R7
I've been using an R7 for over a year now. Interestingly, while many people, especially full-frame (FF) users, often discuss technical aspects, I've found that when I'm birding with FF users, I can surprisingly capture better shots than them. I believe it's crucial to familiarize yourself with this camera's strengths in order to capture excellent photos-ones that are nearly comparable to FF or even superior in certain situations. Personally, I'm hoping the R7 II will offer a better autofocus (AF) system and a stacked sensor. I wouldn't mind paying more for an R7 II with a stacked sensor, as dealing with rolling shutter issues can be quite frustrating at times.
I actually like the rear-wheel on the R7, which is in a very natural position for controlling aperture or exposure compensation. And while I admit that the slower sensor creates a lot of rolling shutter, this is easily avoided by using the mechanical or first-curtain electronic shutters. So I'm not so keen on a stacked sensor if it makes the camera unaffordable. If the eye-tracking AF performance could be improved (e.g. with a faster processor), that might be a worthwhile upgrade for those of us interested in bird/wildlife photography at an affordable price, but the R7 - as is - remains an awesome tool for this genre, with its high resolution (32MP) sensor, bird-eye tracking AF, and unbeatable reach.
It would be very much welcomed. But as you reference, they are six mark two, with its higher price and it not getting a stack sensor, I'm not very confident. But it would be nice.
Finally a camera that might matter to me ! The R7 (I have two of them) have been the best cameras for my purposes, mostly small birds, that I have ever owned. But they certainly have several issues which need to be worked around. A stacked sensor, and available grip would be awesome ! As far as the rear controls.... eh... after 20 months using "only" two R7's, I'm so used to it, I use them without thinking. If they switch it back, it will just screw me up for a few months until I get used to it again. Don't care about any other lenses. The 200-800 is the Holy Grail for small bird photography. IMPO, 'better' than a big white in several respects > fully understanding that those are what the pros used back in the old days ;)
If this pans out, it's very exciting. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited by the R5 II and the R1, but neither is going to be in my price range. An R7II would be. As a long-time cropped sensor Canon shooter, moving from the 7D II to an R series camera, my choice came down to the full-frame R8 or the crop R7. In the end, I chose the R8 for a couple of reasons. 1. I did want to finally get a full-frame camera, for astro photography and for indoor use. 2. For wildlife, I wanted first-rate AF performance. As much as the R7 was given a very solid R series AF system, the R8 got the best Canon makes, getting the R6 II's sensor and AF system. The R7 has mixed results for RUclips wildlife/bird shooters, with some being very satisfied, while others have reported some intermittent issues. The prevailing theory is sensor readout speed, which is much more relevant to AF on mirrorless cameras than it was on DSLR's (which have a dedicated AF sensor). While the full-frame R6, R5, R6II, R8 and the crop-framed R7, R10 et al all have conventional CMOS sensors (rather than Stacked or BSI sensors), that's where the similarity between the full-frame and crop-frame cameras end. While the full-frame cameras (even the "budget" R8) got newly developed sensors with fast readout speeds (for a non-stacked sensor), the crop cameras seemed to get "parts bin" sensors from the crop camera DSLR line, adapted to mirrorless. A stacked sensor R7II should rectify that issue and allow the AF system to match (or exceed!) the AF performance of its full-frame bretherin. I love my R8 (it's GREAT with the 200-800!). But getting the crop factor advantage again would make the lens potentially even better! Not to mention the RF 100-400 on a crop frame for a light-weight birding option. Bring it on! Hope this proves to be true!
Canon don't care about their aps/c cameras, they just do it because they feel obliged. The reason you know they don't care is the lack of all-weather and L series lenses for them
Sitting here with an old 7DmkII, I am casually looking for something like a lightly used R5 or this "R7mkII". A flagship APS-C would be pretty cool. The big concerns I've had with the current R7 is build quality, control handling, lowlight performance, sensor readout, and AF performance. Video is also a growing concern for me now as I find myself wanting to film wildlife. No matter how good my photos are, if I show family a video I took, they get really excited. People absolutely love video, which is why I have often considered going to a used R5. That being said, I'm not going to hold my breath. These Canon rumours are all over the place as of late 🤣
Another thing I’d really like to see is a removable battery plate with the option to have an added battery grip. I love my canon R7 (even with all its faults), I’ve learned to avoid certain situations where my camera may not excel well in and how to overcome other obstacles. All in all, I think the r7 has made me a better photographer, however it would definitely be nice to see all these upgrades added to the mk2 which would call for an instant upgrade (if that’s what we’re getting)
I love my R7. As an amateur photographer and videographer, it is a very easy camera to navigate. Definitely an upgrade from my old M50. However, having a MkII of the R7 come out without any significant ASPC lenses or 3rd party lens support, this news does nothing for me. And yes, Ive tried using older EF-S lenses and not one Ive used felt like it played well with the R7.
The main issue with the mark 1 is that the autofocus is not at all good for birds in flight, or small static birds, this is well known and has been discussed on you tube .
I have had the R7 since it was released and although its a great camera it does need some upgrades to keep up with other APS-C cameras, such as the Fuji X-H2S. Improved LED screen to 5.76Md / Stacked Sensor to prevent rolling shutter / Dual card slots for CFexpress card & UHS-II SD slot. With just these changes to the R7, Canon would attract a greater section of the APS-C market, of that there is no doubt. I have tried the Fuji X-H2S and its a great camera, if this camera had been around at the time I purchased the R7, then I could well of chosen to go with Fuji instead. So come on Canon, let's take the R7 Mark II out for a spin and give your competitors something to think about. If Canon do go ahead with this I'll be the first in line at the camera store 📷
I think those specs are a little too blur sky. I love the idea of a stacked sensor, but under $2000 would be pushing it. The R6 II doesn't even have one .
I agree with the hoped for specs for an R7ii; it’s always nice to dream. As to Canon APS-C generally, you’re absolutely correct - Canon needs to give their APS-C glass some significant attention (and pretty much always have) or open up the mount so others can. I have never been able to tell if Canon sees APS-C systems as a fully supported stand alone system or simply a stepping stone into their full frame systems.
IMO the R7 has its issues and I believe Canon wanted to get a APS-C camera out there. A mkii with a stacked sensor will improve the inconsistent AF on mki. Which should never happen, at all. However IMO the Canon eye AF in a APS-C camera is the best out there. Before the Sony A6700 came along. I will try in my R7 for the mkii in a heart beat !
This is what I’ve been hoping for and dreading all at once. I want a upgraded R7 but my pocket book is going to hate me. I got my R7 a year ago and got the Canon care pak and was planning on upgrading after the 4 years is up. 2025 release and wait a year for bug fixes will work for me.
I fully understand what you’re saying but Canon is in the process of a complete changeover from the EF to RF mount. That switch has a mountain of bodies and lenses to be filled in. Canon knows that it must retain the professional level photographer in order to attract the consumer and advanced amateur photographer. They have still not released their RF mount 1 Series flagship body because they have stated that they want it to be king of the hill. They have released a very capable, series of lesser capable models in the R3, R5, R6, R6MkII, R7 APS-C, and R8. This is the paradigm shift in cameras for Canon and they want to make it a real crowning achievement. That takes time and it has been prolonged by Canon being late to being fully committed to mirrorless. Going forward I expect to see the existing Canon lens lineup in the EF mount to be replaced with RF mount lenses with better specifications and more capabilities that take advantage of both new designs and technology. I think that the efforts are necessarily focused upon the Canon professionals first because they generate consumer and advanced amateur customers going forward by their usage example at events like the Olympics and professional sports competitions. Overtime, I expect us to see more consumer focused products in terms of both bodies, lenses, and accessories. Once fully filled out we will see another 15-20 years worth of successive improvements in series II and III products. Just saying that Canon is a big ship that moves forward but at a measured and consistent pace. That’s frustrating when we lack patience and gave up a lot during the pandemic. Built up demand and desire is a very powerful force but difficult to satisfy when the development and supply chain had such a huge amount of stagnation for such a long time. Sony really benefits from this and Canon is still suffering. We the consumers at all levels of expertise are truly stuck in the delayed advancement. All the best.
The Canon R7 is mainly focused upon advanced stills photographers who are shooting sports and wildlife. I frankly think that an R7 refresh will be focused more on stills photography capabilities than video. Canon has only recently begun the transition from the EF and M mounts to the RF mounts. There are already plenty of EF lenses that are easily utilized on APS-C sensor bodies with the EF to RF adapter. Canon is likely to fill out its full frame regular and L grade lenses in the RF mount before they focus on APS-C bodies and lenses for APS-C. The main reason one might add a stacked sensor to the APS-C line is to give the smaller sensor form factor better dynamic range and less rolling shutter issues. That is the true advantage for smaller form factor sensors over the existing R series APS-C sensor bodies. The idea of putting Z lenses on the APS-C bodies is almost comical. A $2-$3k lens with a $1k adapter on a $1.5k body doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. What does is a second generation of full frame lenses with the Z functionality built in and new touch screen interfaces that replace the mechanical buttons and wheels that are more like the controls that are used on our cell phones. Camera manufacturers exist because they produce better quality images than cell phones. Cell phone users expect the sophisticated easy to use interfaces that they have on their smartphones and camera manufacturers are likely to be implementing that kind of technology going forward rather than tailoring a camera that is more focused on consumers and advanced amateurs than professionals. I think that it’s about the economics and target audience now.
I'm perfectly happy to adapt ef lenses, but many, the vast majority aren't happy doing that. When spending money on a new body, they also want a modern lens on it... Just saying
Thanks for the information. I love my R7. The ergonomics are good, the buffer could be a bit larger. I get lots of keepers. There are some quirks for example having to use first curtain shutter to avoid shutter shock when engaging IS. Depending on new features I could be tempted, but it won’t be a priority
What I would like to see in the R7 Mark ii is 1. A battery grip, that's what turned me off to the Mark i 2. Improvement on the rear wheel and the joystick I wasn't too wild about about having them both put together on the original R7, 3. Design better lenses the latest ones make the camera look a little smaller than it already is, which leads me to 4. increase the size just a tad there are already smaller mirrorless camera on the market and personally not everyone's hands are the same size [I have big hands BTW.] if canon can make the camera a little bigger in size not weight then I won't have any problems shelling out a little extra "Cha-Chig." for my buck..., That is my suggestion for the EOS R7 Mark ii.
Interesting, but for a beginner birder more interested in other genres, there is still a lack of RF APS-C specific lenses. I also don’t see Canon responding to the criticisms of the R7 and releasing a mk II so soon.
poor buffer, average EVF, horrible sensor readout speed, no CFExpress slot, inconsistent and average performing AF when compared to the FF cameras in the range, no battery grip and horrible button UI. Canon may have 4 APS-C cameras in its range (R7, R10, R100, R50) but none of them are good. All of them are HEAVILY CrippleHammered.
dropping the sensor to 28mp would be great too - the R7's high ISO performance is well, certainly poor vs its FF cousins. The current 32mp sensor is equivalent to ~82mp FF. We don't need that resolution. 24mp BSI stacked APS-C sensor would be an amazing performer and all rounder - offering plenty of resolution (~55mp), faster buffer potential, and much better high ISO performance, especially considering shooting birds in dimmer locations/scenarios such as rainforests. I don't want more mp on an APS-C sensor camera, I want better buffer and better high ISO performance. If I'm shooting raptors, even in bright sunny conditions at 1/4000 and f8 ( to heavily reduce motion blur chances), I'm probably shooting at or near ISO 4000 from my extensive experiences over the past 14 months. Noise is very good for me, but I'm using a 24mp BSI stacked R3. A cropped sensor will perform worse than my FF camera and probably be closer to ISO 8000 with the current R7. Not particularly desirable. I went to O'Reillys rainforest retreat for a few hours on Sunday and got some Yellow faced Scrubwren shots with my setup (R3/500f4 mark 1/1.4x TC III) and even shooting at 1/500, f5.6 wide open and ISO25600, the bird is ~1 stop underexposed. And this is ISO25600, right on the border of usability with the R3 imho (I tend to limit it to 12800 as a maximum with exposure nailed). I wouldn't even bother trying to take this shot with a R7.
I hope for all the specs you mentioned but would add a dedicated pre capture button, a CF Express Card, option for a battery grip (although I don’t use one to save weight), and up to 40fps with better weather sealing. I would pay up to $500 more for this and it will still keep the R7 Mark 1 on the market for people who don’t need the extra performance and want to spend less money. 😊
A bigger viewfinder, stacked sensor, battery grip, a better control wheel, proper flip out screen that aligns to the sensor, improved AF, larger buffer and more importantly a true 7 line successor. Think this camera was rushed to scoop sales.
Stacked sensor APS-C will not be a 100 of so higher but put it above 2000 USD. Not Fuji X-H2s or OM-1 who are using stack sensors are above 2000 USD. Panasonic did not use a stack sensor in G9 II because this will cost more money.
I do not consider the R7 to be an MILC upgrade to the 7D mark II. The R7 has a rear panel similar to Canon’s Rebel DSLRs, which also lack a battery grip. Despite having dual card slots, it is better described as an MILC upgrade to the T8i, which makes the R7 naming convention all the more strange. Similarly, the R8 is hardly an MILC upgrade to the 6D, which is a niche the R6 seems to fill. The R8 has a full frame sensor, while using the same battery and user interface as Canon Rebel DSLRs.
Hi Simon, when the R7 comes, it would be smart to give it indeed a stacked sensor and most of your other suggestions .. but I'd be extremely surprised to already have a Canon APS-C stacked sensor on the shelves within less than half a year after the R1 & R5ii would become available. Second half of 2025 would seem more realistic. And yes, while we cross our fingers for the R5ii to get dual CFxB cards, it makes great sense to give the R7ii one CFxB and one SD slot. The CFxB will play a big role in getting a larger "perceived" buffer size. The stacked sensor would really be the key, because the current R7 sensor requires more than twice the readout time of the R5 (maybe even 3 times). This slow readout gives us much more rolling shutter (making the electronic shutter a bad choice for moving birds !) and it also makes the AF much less consistent than the R5/R6ii etc just because sensor readout time handicaps the AF control loop. By concept the AF is nearly the same between R7 and R6ii, but the R6ii can do twice as many control loops as the R7. I would disagree regarding the rear control wheel because it's easier to find with the thumb, once getting used to the new location. The problem is rather the R7 is now missing the third control wheel (typically the ISO wheel or exposure compensation). So Canon: give the R7ii a stacked sensor, CFxB, third control wheel and an optional battery grip and it will be a very compelling camera .. certainly when the RF-S selection gets expanded.
Seeing a stacked sensor would be a surprise when the R6 II doesn't have one. But as a top of the line APS-C camera, it could do this, but they would have to raise the price. Third control wheel - yeah, that makes sense!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yes, the R7ii would move up pricewise, closer to the R6ii. I would guess the R6iii may get the R3 sensor once the R3ii arrives. In any case, a stacked sensor APS-C flagship would clearly aim at birding and sports where long reach is desired. The R6ii is perfect for everything where reach is NOT the top priority. Their requirements are very complementary so they are not competing each other at all. When I had the original R6, I was doubting between adding the R7 or swapping R6 for R5. If today's dream R7ii had been around, I would have probably not chosen the R5. But while the key elements of an R7ii seem rather straight forward, we still have no clear clue what will make the R5ii game changing .. so it's hard to predict whether my next camera would be the R7ii or R5ii, but it's probably wise for me to wait until both are around.
@@WernerBirdNaturesince you would like a third wheel on the body I'm tempted to ask if you use the control ring on the lenses? If you do, the third wheel on the body would thus be redundant wouldn't you think, or do you disagree?
@@schimor Hi Schimor, I do like the added flexibility from the control ring but the control ring isn't suited for quickly changing the exposure (shooting in M mode, needing third wheel for either manual ISO or exposure compensation) because while reaching for the control ring you can't keep using your left hand to balance the camera. On my R5, the ISO wheel is quickly reached by moving my thumb away from the back-button focus buttons. Also the control ring is near the lens hood on the 24-105/4, but it's near the body on the 100-500 .. so can't use it nearly subconscious via muscle memory.
yes, this camera would be huge release if Canon realizes the R7 should be a R5 APS-C version ..... controls layout, features but in a APS-C stack sensor. LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I genuinely think that the idea of next gen R7 itself is interesting. R6ii for example was really really better than R6. If it has a stacked sensor then I just hope it's not expensive (sub 2000$) but Xh2s is 2300$ so price is going to be a major factor.
I was thinking about the a few videos ago… my prediction is that it could be an R7C!! Seems very similar to the release timeline of the R5 to R5C. Based on that camera registration having a 7 in it, when the R5C had the 5 in it.
I've been photographing birds since the days of 35mm film. I had and Loved the 7D and upgraded to the 7D Mark II. With no battery grip and the build quality of a Canan Rebel camera, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would ever buy an R7!!! Get your act together Canon.
Don't really agree on the rear control wheel, feels/works quite nice for me. But then again, never been able to use an R5 to know better I guess :-D Would obviously love 3 wheels though
wow, the thought of bring two cameras and two lens to a job and getting a full range. R5 M2, R7 M2, RF35MM 1.2, RF 24-105MM 2.8. R5 M2 - RF35MM and RF 24-105MM R7 M2 - RF 56MM and RF 38- 168MM
IF the R1 crowds the mission of the R3 then I suggest make the R3 the new R7 Mk. 2. Keep the R3 body, install and improve the 32meg sensor to greatly reduce rolling shutter, expand the buffer and improve the EVF over the R7. Drop the eye track AF that has been hit or miss to lower the cost. Make whatever improvements you can to the AF but keep the price around three-grand. Team this with the 100-500mm or even the 200-800 zoom and watch the birding and sports photographer communities make this the APS-C camera to rule them all. If anyone doubts birders will spend the money, check out the sideline photos of photographers gathering to photograph the eagles at the Conowingo Dam. They make the gear I had as a working press photographer look like I got my kit from a Cracker Jack box.
You have a mixture of full frame and aps-c users at the dam along with quality point and shoots such as the Nikon p900 and Nikon p1000. You'll find both mirrorless DSLR and older DSLR tech with just mechanical sensors. Almost any long lens from primes to the 100-500 and I'm sure the 200-800.
@@brucegraner5901 for Eagles in flight and perched it's an excellent camera. Especially if the lighting is good. But definitely wouldn't mind a refresh with a stacked sensor and faster readout speeds.
Canon updating a two year old camera body? Perhaps a firmware update? As a Canon enthusiast, hardware updates are welcome, but the industry in general doesn't move at the pace of two-year hardware updates. I look forward to the next bits of information.
There are definitely things that I’d prefer having on the R7 (a third wheel, less noisy shutter and less rolling shutter sometimes) however if they fixed all those things, the price is gonna be higher and then complain about that. 😆
The original R7 is a major disappointment. If (1) the focus is more consistent and sticky, (2) the sensor is faster (reducing rolling shutter distortion), and (3) the mechanical / first curtain shutter is MUCH, MUCH QUIETER, an R7ii would be a compelling option. It might be what the 7D fanatics hungered for all along. It might just take over the entire bird photography market.
The R7 does have issues such a the mechanical shutter, it is so violent that it makes it hard to use slower shutter speeds. The R7 was sold as being able to shoot 15+ frames a second. The camera cannot do this as the sensor readout is not fast enough to focus for those 15 frames. Canon must have know this before releasing the camera, I think this was / is borderline fraud.
Stacked sensor would solve all three of these. As an RF owner I really wish they go that direction. My only other wish is for them to fix the god awful pre-capture implementation, but that's a firmware issue with all Canon cameras. Hoping they solve it with the R5ii/R1 and it passes on to it.
I'm sorry you have unreliable focusing. I have proven time and time again that the R7 has amazing autofocus and AF-tracking. I've posted birds in flight bursts with 40-105 shots with every shot in focus. I've shot against clear skies and very busy backgrounds. I'm sick of hearing about the focusing not being sticky. The other things you said are 100% accurate, however.
@@FredBloggs467Stop talking nonsense. I shoot at 15fps all the time with my R7. You are misinforming others. The slow sensor readout causes terrible rolling shutter with the electronic shutter but autofocusing and processing are not an issue. If your camera won't shoot 15fps then return it to Canon.
Where to begin? I fell for the R7. Stupid me. I bought it the day it was released in the US. This camera sits in my bag collecting dust for all of the negative reasons you mentioned for a bird photographer. Every now and then, I bring it out and give it another go, just to put it away again. I really should sell it. If and when I ever get my RF 200-800, I'll give it another try.
If new R7II comes out, needs to have better built quality than the current one, you need to have more professional, build quality like the DSLR 7D it replaces, more rocket body and better weather ceiling, then current R7 which is cheaply built.
It's only been a year and a half folks since release of the r7..how about release a firmware update to enhance existing features and call it a day instead of releasing a new body..? The last two updates were pretty much to add new lenses to the software and that's it.. __ Personally, I don't understand why some of you are bothered by the rear wheel and make it out to be a problem. I'd like to say that the joystick feels like a pos..might as well have put a d-pad honestly it would have been more pleasant to use. I too do not understand how they internally justified not having any contacts in the battery well for a battery grip..a whoping half a cent more per body, woa bankruptcy..
I would like to just have a Camera as good as my Sony A7 III, Sony A7 iv, Sony A9 all without video features as video is not my thing, so would like to know how much video features cost when added to cameras hopefully it could bring costs down. what is everyone's thoughts. thanks
Canon being at the version II of the R7 mirrorless camera meanwhile Nikon has not even released any good apsc camera for sport and wildlife since our beloved D500....😢😢 Please Canon owners, don't complain too much because Nikon users are completely helpless at this point
Nope. That's not going to happen. If you want to success to the RX mark two you're closest bet is either the R8 on the low end or the R6 mark two on the high end.
If Canon remoes the Bachwheel of the R7, which I own , then I will not upgrade to the R7 Mark 2. In my opinion this wheel at this place is one of the best improvement in Cameradesign. Ihe Layout is perfekt for me.
The price point is going to be way higher when you start talking stacked sensors in a new R7. But no one ever likes to talk about the pink elephant in the room and that is, Canon is mediocre in designing and manufacturing sensors. Everyone is always hoping for them to put out some magical sensor but we always get mediocrity. That's probably why the rumored specs of the R1 are saying 30 mpx. They can't make a high mpx sensor that can match the frame rates of the competition. Thoughts Simon??
Would interest me a simple thing across all new canons an improved Bluetooth please at last and not so fussy about usbc to lightening cables that work and 180 slow mo with audio not asking much and easy switch between slow mo and original settings .T HE small things r big!!Auto subject tracking nice new feature .
Every genuine review on the R7 with good lenses says it's AF is extremely bad. I would not trust Canon to release a R7 II that is not hammered to the max.
That's why a lot of people are vocal about supporting third-party lenses. Its a segment canon didn't address well with EF glass, and having addressed much on the RF mount either.
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Leaving out the battery grip is what caused me to hold off on buying the original R7. Hope this changes for the update.
Battery grip for heavens sake is needed.
A complete joke
Me too I literally was turned off by the lack of a battery grip.
I want a battery grip for R7 mk II.
I had pre-ordered the R7 but cancelled because of the rolling shutter and noisy mechanical shutter. So, those are my main requests for the R7 Mark II. They also need to get the AF on par with the R6 II and R8. A battery grip would also be nice. I'm not holding my breath on a stacked sensor, since the more expensive R6 II didn't get it.
I know a lot of people dislike the R7... but I love it. However, there are some things I wish it had, like a battery grip, and less rolling shutter. But this is a fantastic video camera, especially with the auto-level feature (which I use constantly). I hope the mark II keeps at least the 33mp, I don't want anything less than that.
it's strange that a lot of people don't like it. It has a lot of very good reviews.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The most bothered are usually the most vocal
I think most of the hate comes from full frame users.
What made you mention dynamic range? The dynamic range of the R7 is actually good. I haven't had any DR issues at all in 18mths of using the camera.
Improving the dynamic range is a good thing, for sure, but it's certainly not an issue as it is now.
I hope they retain the rear dial position as its brilliant! I'm guessing you've never used an R7. My FF cameras' rear dials feel awkward and nowhere near as ergonomic. The R7 wheel is literally right next to your thumb. You move about 1mm to start turning the dial. It's perfect.
The buffer is perfectly fine if you shoot cRaw. It does at least 120 shots before the buffer fills, if you shoot at 15fps, which is 8 secs of shooting. You just need a reasonable SD card. I'm sure people are clueless about the R7.
Even though it's not perfect, I can work with the R7 rearwheel. But a 32mp stacked sensor on a R7 mk II would be a very substantial upgrade, especially if they can give the improved AF of the R6 mk II 😮
I'll take 24mp stacked any day, good enough for me.
If they do 33mp, it better be an actual improved one too. Many tests have shown that the 33mp on the R7 doesn't resolve that much more than 26mp sensors in other brands. We got more resolution and the slowness of the sensor that goes with it for not much benefits.
The R7 rear wheel is one of the best ideas Canon has come out with in years, in terms of ergonomics. After using that, my full frame cameras feel weird and much more awkward to reach. The vertical rear dial is literally right next to where your thumb rests!
@cooloox
Thank you! I thought I was the only one that liked that rear wheel. I was playing around with the R6/mkII and found it weird not having one to tune my aperture.
I like the R7 control wheel better than the one on 90D and 80D.
Battery Grip would be nice for the R7 Mk II and 3rd Party RF mount lenses ie Sigma & Tamron.
The most wanted non-upgrade to the R7.
Yes! They should treat the R7 cameras as at least somewhat professional...a nice battery grip would be amazing.
Keep body same size, stacked 32.5mp APS-c. Keep everything on the menu and body the same and I'm first in line. I am currently an R7 shooter and have very few complaints about the camera. Rolling shutter does happen but it's not a huge deal, if I'm shooting flying birds etc. I just use mechanical. Frame rate at 30 is more than I need. I use 15 even with electronic.
Just the opinion from an R7 shooter
That does sound good Lisa. I really hope it does get a stacked sensor, but I don't see it happening at the current price point.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Simon, I'm OK with a price increase if the new camera is enough better than the version 1 to warrant the price. Things cost money, that's just a fact of life these days.
I've used the R7 since it was launched as a stepping stone to get used to the mirrorless system while I wait for Canon to have a stacked sensor full frame mirrorless body with north of 30 megapixels. I photograph wildlife, especially birds, and I still use DSLRs when I want full frame. The R7 is a compromise camera in so many ways. It can produce very nice images but you have to understand its limitations and work with or around them. If an R7ii comes along with a stacked sensor and little to no rolling shutter, a much larger buffer, much faster readout speed, at least one CFExpress slot, more consistent AF and the option to add a grip then I'll happily pay a significant price increase for it , to go alongside whatever full frame mirrorless body I end up buying. It would also be nice if Canon redesigned its RAW Burst Mode from the bottom up because the current setup is a mess - but that's not unique to the R7. As it stands, the R7 is a camera I really want to like, but there are just too many things about it that are working against you in the field when shooting wildlife - which is a large part of this camera's target audience.
As an R7 user, here's my wish list.
-A slight bump in resolution is fine, as long as the stacked sensor is included.
-The AF loses my moving subject a bit too easily. So maybe more AF points or better software.
-The buffer needs to be larger.
I'm actually fine with that rear control wheel, the EVF, and flippy screen...though with the later 2, I won't complain of the upgrade. And I do find V90 cards plenty fast with the added bonus of being cheaper than CFEx.
As much as I'd like for these, I'm ok with my R7. It's only been 2 years. But I wouldn't hesitate to trade in if this turns out to be true, and scrap my idea of having a complimentary R6mkii to my R7.
The R7 has outstanding focus compared to a dslr, sub par focusing when compared to an R8, R6, and R5. It just seems to move forward of the subject even with eye af locked on. I suspect and have heard the readout speed of the sensor is just slow, also causing rolling shutter, also the mechanical shutter, which is required for birds is too loud. Keep the 32 mp or increase, speed up the sensor itself, quiet the shutter and it will be my next purchase. The R7 will be the shortest time I owned a camera. Make it a stacked sensor with the 200 to 800, and everyone can just go home.
The R7's aperture wheel is the best option ever made on Canon bodies... actually, it was the main reason to buy an R body cause all the time wondering why Canon doesn't do it yet so easy to reach for thump "LOVE IT".
i own 20D, 1D iii, 1Ds ii, 60D, 2 of 70D, 2 of 7D ii, 2 of 5Ds, R7
I've been using an R7 for over a year now. Interestingly, while many people, especially full-frame (FF) users, often discuss technical aspects, I've found that when I'm birding with FF users, I can surprisingly capture better shots than them. I believe it's crucial to familiarize yourself with this camera's strengths in order to capture excellent photos-ones that are nearly comparable to FF or even superior in certain situations. Personally, I'm hoping the R7 II will offer a better autofocus (AF) system and a stacked sensor. I wouldn't mind paying more for an R7 II with a stacked sensor, as dealing with rolling shutter issues can be quite frustrating at times.
I actually like the rear-wheel on the R7, which is in a very natural position for controlling aperture or exposure compensation. And while I admit that the slower sensor creates a lot of rolling shutter, this is easily avoided by using the mechanical or first-curtain electronic shutters. So I'm not so keen on a stacked sensor if it makes the camera unaffordable. If the eye-tracking AF performance could be improved (e.g. with a faster processor), that might be a worthwhile upgrade for those of us interested in bird/wildlife photography at an affordable price, but the R7 - as is - remains an awesome tool for this genre, with its high resolution (32MP) sensor, bird-eye tracking AF, and unbeatable reach.
R7 with stacked sensor would be nice…. At least improved AF like the R6 ii 😊
It would be very much welcomed. But as you reference, they are six mark two, with its higher price and it not getting a stack sensor, I'm not very confident. But it would be nice.
Finally a camera that might matter to me ! The R7 (I have two of them) have been the best cameras for my purposes, mostly small birds, that I have ever owned. But they certainly have several issues which need to be worked around. A stacked sensor, and available grip would be awesome ! As far as the rear controls.... eh... after 20 months using "only" two R7's, I'm so used to it, I use them without thinking. If they switch it back, it will just screw me up for a few months until I get used to it again. Don't care about any other lenses. The 200-800 is the Holy Grail for small bird photography. IMPO, 'better' than a big white in several respects > fully understanding that those are what the pros used back in the old days ;)
They are seven with a 200 to 800 mm is a dream come true
If this pans out, it's very exciting. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited by the R5 II and the R1, but neither is going to be in my price range. An R7II would be. As a long-time cropped sensor Canon shooter, moving from the 7D II to an R series camera, my choice came down to the full-frame R8 or the crop R7. In the end, I chose the R8 for a couple of reasons.
1. I did want to finally get a full-frame camera, for astro photography and for indoor use.
2. For wildlife, I wanted first-rate AF performance.
As much as the R7 was given a very solid R series AF system, the R8 got the best Canon makes, getting the R6 II's sensor and AF system.
The R7 has mixed results for RUclips wildlife/bird shooters, with some being very satisfied, while others have reported some intermittent issues. The prevailing theory is sensor readout speed, which is much more relevant to AF on mirrorless cameras than it was on DSLR's (which have a dedicated AF sensor). While the full-frame R6, R5, R6II, R8 and the crop-framed R7, R10 et al all have conventional CMOS sensors (rather than Stacked or BSI sensors), that's where the similarity between the full-frame and crop-frame cameras end. While the full-frame cameras (even the "budget" R8) got newly developed sensors with fast readout speeds (for a non-stacked sensor), the crop cameras seemed to get "parts bin" sensors from the crop camera DSLR line, adapted to mirrorless. A stacked sensor R7II should rectify that issue and allow the AF system to match (or exceed!) the AF performance of its full-frame bretherin.
I love my R8 (it's GREAT with the 200-800!). But getting the crop factor advantage again would make the lens potentially even better! Not to mention the RF 100-400 on a crop frame for a light-weight birding option.
Bring it on! Hope this proves to be true!
Canon don't care about their aps/c cameras, they just do it because they feel obliged. The reason you know they don't care is the lack of all-weather and L series lenses for them
Good point. Many don’t get this and still keep dreaming.
Sitting here with an old 7DmkII, I am casually looking for something like a lightly used R5 or this "R7mkII". A flagship APS-C would be pretty cool.
The big concerns I've had with the current R7 is build quality, control handling, lowlight performance, sensor readout, and AF performance. Video is also a growing concern for me now as I find myself wanting to film wildlife. No matter how good my photos are, if I show family a video I took, they get really excited. People absolutely love video, which is why I have often considered going to a used R5.
That being said, I'm not going to hold my breath. These Canon rumours are all over the place as of late 🤣
Another thing I’d really like to see is a removable battery plate with the option to have an added battery grip.
I love my canon R7 (even with all its faults), I’ve learned to avoid certain situations where my camera may not excel well in and how to overcome other obstacles. All in all, I think the r7 has made me a better photographer, however it would definitely be nice to see all these upgrades added to the mk2 which would call for an instant upgrade (if that’s what we’re getting)
I love my R7. As an amateur photographer and videographer, it is a very easy camera to navigate. Definitely an upgrade from my old M50.
However, having a MkII of the R7 come out without any significant ASPC lenses or 3rd party lens support, this news does nothing for me.
And yes, Ive tried using older EF-S lenses and not one Ive used felt like it played well with the R7.
The main issue with the mark 1 is that the autofocus is not at all good for birds in flight, or small static birds, this is well known and has been discussed on you tube .
I have had the R7 since it was released and although its a great camera it does need some upgrades to keep up with other APS-C cameras, such as the Fuji X-H2S. Improved LED screen to 5.76Md / Stacked Sensor to prevent rolling shutter / Dual card slots for CFexpress card & UHS-II SD slot. With just these changes to the R7, Canon would attract a greater section of the APS-C market, of that there is no doubt. I have tried the Fuji X-H2S and its a great camera, if this camera had been around at the time I purchased the R7, then I could well of chosen to go with Fuji instead. So come on Canon, let's take the R7 Mark II out for a spin and give your competitors something to think about. If Canon do go ahead with this I'll be the first in line at the camera store 📷
I think those specs are a little too blur sky. I love the idea of a stacked sensor, but under $2000 would be pushing it. The R6 II doesn't even have one .
I agree, but what a camera in the Canon line-up that would be. I would be more than happy to part with $2000 + for such a beast 👍@@OrdinaryFilmmaker
Great information. The subject has my interest.
I agree with the hoped for specs for an R7ii; it’s always nice to dream. As to Canon APS-C generally, you’re absolutely correct - Canon needs to give their APS-C glass some significant attention (and pretty much always have) or open up the mount so others can. I have never been able to tell if Canon sees APS-C systems as a fully supported stand alone system or simply a stepping stone into their full frame systems.
IMO the R7 has its issues and I believe Canon wanted to get a APS-C camera out there.
A mkii with a stacked sensor will improve the inconsistent AF on mki. Which should never happen, at all.
However IMO the Canon eye AF in a APS-C camera is the best out there. Before the Sony A6700 came along.
I will try in my R7 for the mkii in a heart beat !
This is what I’ve been hoping for and dreading all at once. I want a upgraded R7 but my pocket book is going to hate me.
I got my R7 a year ago and got the Canon care pak and was planning on upgrading after the 4 years is up. 2025 release and wait a year for bug fixes will work for me.
Scarce resources. That's why I haven't bought the 24 to 105 F2 .8 yet. Waiting to see what else comes out and then prioritizing.
I fully understand what you’re saying but Canon is in the process of a complete changeover from the EF to RF mount. That switch has a mountain of bodies and lenses to be filled in. Canon knows that it must retain the professional level photographer in order to attract the consumer and advanced amateur photographer. They have still not released their RF mount 1 Series flagship body because they have stated that they want it to be king of the hill. They have released a very capable, series of lesser capable models in the R3, R5, R6, R6MkII, R7 APS-C, and R8. This is the paradigm shift in cameras for Canon and they want to make it a real crowning achievement. That takes time and it has been prolonged by Canon being late to being fully committed to mirrorless. Going forward I expect to see the existing Canon lens lineup in the EF mount to be replaced with RF mount lenses with better specifications and more capabilities that take advantage of both new designs and technology. I think that the efforts are necessarily focused upon the Canon professionals first because they generate consumer and advanced amateur customers going forward by their usage example at events like the Olympics and professional sports competitions. Overtime, I expect us to see more consumer focused products in terms of both bodies, lenses, and accessories. Once fully filled out we will see another 15-20 years worth of successive improvements in series II and III products. Just saying that Canon is a big ship that moves forward but at a measured and consistent pace. That’s frustrating when we lack patience and gave up a lot during the pandemic. Built up demand and desire is a very powerful force but difficult to satisfy when the development and supply chain had such a huge amount of stagnation for such a long time. Sony really benefits from this and Canon is still suffering. We the consumers at all levels of expertise are truly stuck in the delayed advancement.
All the best.
The Canon R7 is mainly focused upon advanced stills photographers who are shooting sports and wildlife. I frankly think that an R7 refresh will be focused more on stills photography capabilities than video. Canon has only recently begun the transition from the EF and M mounts to the RF mounts. There are already plenty of EF lenses that are easily utilized on APS-C sensor bodies with the EF to RF adapter. Canon is likely to fill out its full frame regular and L grade lenses in the RF mount before they focus on APS-C bodies and lenses for APS-C. The main reason one might add a stacked sensor to the APS-C line is to give the smaller sensor form factor better dynamic range and less rolling shutter issues. That is the true advantage for smaller form factor sensors over the existing R series APS-C sensor bodies.
The idea of putting Z lenses on the APS-C bodies is almost comical. A $2-$3k lens with a $1k adapter on a $1.5k body doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. What does is a second generation of full frame lenses with the Z functionality built in and new touch screen interfaces that replace the mechanical buttons and wheels that are more like the controls that are used on our cell phones. Camera manufacturers exist because they produce better quality images than cell phones. Cell phone users expect the sophisticated easy to use interfaces that they have on their smartphones and camera manufacturers are likely to be implementing that kind of technology going forward rather than tailoring a camera that is more focused on consumers and advanced amateurs than professionals.
I think that it’s about the economics and target audience now.
I'm perfectly happy to adapt ef lenses, but many, the vast majority aren't happy doing that. When spending money on a new body, they also want a modern lens on it... Just saying
Thanks for the information. I love my R7. The ergonomics are good, the buffer could be a bit larger. I get lots of keepers. There are some quirks for example having to use first curtain shutter to avoid shutter shock when engaging IS. Depending on new features I could be tempted, but it won’t be a priority
What I would like to see in the R7 Mark ii is 1. A battery grip, that's what turned me off to the Mark i 2. Improvement on the rear wheel and the joystick I wasn't too wild about about having them both put together on the original R7, 3. Design better lenses the latest ones make the camera look a little smaller than it already is, which leads me to 4. increase the size just a tad there are already smaller mirrorless camera on the market and personally not everyone's hands are the same size [I have big hands BTW.] if canon can make the camera a little bigger in size not weight then I won't have any problems shelling out a little extra "Cha-Chig." for my buck..., That is my suggestion for the EOS R7 Mark ii.
As has already been mentioned, a battery grip would be nice. I have a 7DMkII with a battery grip that was my main camera until I went mirrorless.
That would be a perfect product for 2024.
Interesting, but for a beginner birder more interested in other genres, there is still a lack of RF APS-C specific lenses. I also don’t see Canon responding to the criticisms of the R7 and releasing a mk II so soon.
poor buffer, average EVF, horrible sensor readout speed, no CFExpress slot, inconsistent and average performing AF when compared to the FF cameras in the range, no battery grip and horrible button UI.
Canon may have 4 APS-C cameras in its range (R7, R10, R100, R50) but none of them are good. All of them are HEAVILY CrippleHammered.
dropping the sensor to 28mp would be great too - the R7's high ISO performance is well, certainly poor vs its FF cousins. The current 32mp sensor is equivalent to ~82mp FF. We don't need that resolution. 24mp BSI stacked APS-C sensor would be an amazing performer and all rounder - offering plenty of resolution (~55mp), faster buffer potential, and much better high ISO performance, especially considering shooting birds in dimmer locations/scenarios such as rainforests.
I don't want more mp on an APS-C sensor camera, I want better buffer and better high ISO performance. If I'm shooting raptors, even in bright sunny conditions at 1/4000 and f8 ( to heavily reduce motion blur chances), I'm probably shooting at or near ISO 4000 from my extensive experiences over the past 14 months. Noise is very good for me, but I'm using a 24mp BSI stacked R3. A cropped sensor will perform worse than my FF camera and probably be closer to ISO 8000 with the current R7. Not particularly desirable.
I went to O'Reillys rainforest retreat for a few hours on Sunday and got some Yellow faced Scrubwren shots with my setup (R3/500f4 mark 1/1.4x TC III) and even shooting at 1/500, f5.6 wide open and ISO25600, the bird is ~1 stop underexposed. And this is ISO25600, right on the border of usability with the R3 imho (I tend to limit it to 12800 as a maximum with exposure nailed). I wouldn't even bother trying to take this shot with a R7.
I hope for all the specs you mentioned but would add a dedicated pre capture button, a CF Express Card, option for a battery grip (although I don’t use one to save weight), and up to 40fps with better weather sealing. I would pay up to $500 more for this and it will still keep the R7 Mark 1 on the market for people who don’t need the extra performance and want to spend less money. 😊
If they just changed the layout to match the R5 it would be a HUGE improvement. Not sure why they changed it. It was perfect on the R5.
informative news thanks Simon.
A bigger viewfinder, stacked sensor, battery grip, a better control wheel, proper flip out screen that aligns to the sensor, improved AF, larger buffer and more importantly a true 7 line successor. Think this camera was rushed to scoop sales.
Stacked sensor APS-C will not be a 100 of so higher but put it above 2000 USD. Not Fuji X-H2s or OM-1 who are using stack sensors are above 2000 USD. Panasonic did not use a stack sensor in G9 II because this will cost more money.
I do not consider the R7 to be an MILC upgrade to the 7D mark II. The R7 has a rear panel similar to Canon’s Rebel DSLRs, which also lack a battery grip.
Despite having dual card slots, it is better described as an MILC upgrade to the T8i, which makes the R7 naming convention all the more strange.
Similarly, the R8 is hardly an MILC upgrade to the 6D, which is a niche the R6 seems to fill. The R8 has a full frame sensor, while using the same battery and user interface as Canon Rebel DSLRs.
Traded mine in for an R6 Mark II. Best move I could make! Far better camera all around!
Where did you find the biggest improvements to your workflow from getting the T6 II?
Hi Simon, when the R7 comes, it would be smart to give it indeed a stacked sensor and most of your other suggestions .. but I'd be extremely surprised to already have a Canon APS-C stacked sensor on the shelves within less than half a year after the R1 & R5ii would become available. Second half of 2025 would seem more realistic.
And yes, while we cross our fingers for the R5ii to get dual CFxB cards, it makes great sense to give the R7ii one CFxB and one SD slot. The CFxB will play a big role in getting a larger "perceived" buffer size.
The stacked sensor would really be the key, because the current R7 sensor requires more than twice the readout time of the R5 (maybe even 3 times). This slow readout gives us much more rolling shutter (making the electronic shutter a bad choice for moving birds !) and it also makes the AF much less consistent than the R5/R6ii etc just because sensor readout time handicaps the AF control loop. By concept the AF is nearly the same between R7 and R6ii, but the R6ii can do twice as many control loops as the R7.
I would disagree regarding the rear control wheel because it's easier to find with the thumb, once getting used to the new location. The problem is rather the R7 is now missing the third control wheel (typically the ISO wheel or exposure compensation).
So Canon: give the R7ii a stacked sensor, CFxB, third control wheel and an optional battery grip and it will be a very compelling camera .. certainly when the RF-S selection gets expanded.
Seeing a stacked sensor would be a surprise when the R6 II doesn't have one. But as a top of the line APS-C camera, it could do this, but they would have to raise the price.
Third control wheel - yeah, that makes sense!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker yes, the R7ii would move up pricewise, closer to the R6ii.
I would guess the R6iii may get the R3 sensor once the R3ii arrives.
In any case, a stacked sensor APS-C flagship would clearly aim at birding and sports where long reach is desired. The R6ii is perfect for everything where reach is NOT the top priority. Their requirements are very complementary so they are not competing each other at all.
When I had the original R6, I was doubting between adding the R7 or swapping R6 for R5. If today's dream R7ii had been around, I would have probably not chosen the R5.
But while the key elements of an R7ii seem rather straight forward, we still have no clear clue what will make the R5ii game changing .. so it's hard to predict whether my next camera would be the R7ii or R5ii, but it's probably wise for me to wait until both are around.
@@WernerBirdNaturesince you would like a third wheel on the body I'm tempted to ask if you use the control ring on the lenses?
If you do, the third wheel on the body would thus be redundant wouldn't you think, or do you disagree?
@@schimor Hi Schimor, I do like the added flexibility from the control ring but the control ring isn't suited for quickly changing the exposure (shooting in M mode, needing third wheel for either manual ISO or exposure compensation) because while reaching for the control ring you can't keep using your left hand to balance the camera. On my R5, the ISO wheel is quickly reached by moving my thumb away from the back-button focus buttons. Also the control ring is near the lens hood on the 24-105/4, but it's near the body on the 100-500 .. so can't use it nearly subconscious via muscle memory.
@@WernerBirdNature thank you, makes a lot of sense 😊
yes, this camera would be huge release if Canon realizes the R7 should be a R5 APS-C version ..... controls layout, features but in a APS-C stack sensor.
LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET's NOT FORGET A VERICAL BATTERY GRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed!
Definitely going to buy this
What do you want in the R7 mark two
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I genuinely think that the idea of next gen R7 itself is interesting. R6ii for example was really really better than R6. If it has a stacked sensor then I just hope it's not expensive (sub 2000$) but Xh2s is 2300$ so price is going to be a major factor.
Hi Simon, R7 with stack sensor is a great news. Let see what happens. Thank you for your videos. 👍🏻☀️☕🌋📸🏝
They were definitely have to raise the price. But the RX mark two costing considerably more doesn't get a stack sensor.
I was thinking about the a few videos ago… my prediction is that it could be an R7C!! Seems very similar to the release timeline of the R5 to R5C.
Based on that camera registration having a 7 in it, when the R5C had the 5 in it.
They R7c was on the books a few weeks back, but we got word it had been cancelled.
With a battery grip!! I'll get it.
A camera I may just get myself :)
I would only buy it can shoot at least 120 pictures/second in raw. Whats even the point of leaving the house if it shoots less?
Why do you need so many?
i dont. i just find it absurd how some people claim to truly "need" more than 20/30 fps.
I've been photographing birds since the days of 35mm film. I had and Loved the 7D and upgraded to the 7D Mark II. With no battery grip and the build quality of a Canan Rebel camera, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would ever buy an R7!!! Get your act together Canon.
The R5 needs a refresh way before the R7. 30 min max video recording time? really? at this price tag?
Don't really agree on the rear control wheel, feels/works quite nice for me. But then again, never been able to use an R5 to know better I guess :-D
Would obviously love 3 wheels though
wow, the thought of bring two cameras and two lens to a job and getting a full range.
R5 M2, R7 M2, RF35MM 1.2, RF 24-105MM 2.8.
R5 M2 - RF35MM and RF 24-105MM
R7 M2 - RF 56MM and RF 38- 168MM
If ever there was a camera that deserved a version 2, it is the R7. They never should have released version 1.
Give me batterygrip !!!
IF the R1 crowds the mission of the R3 then I suggest make the R3 the new R7 Mk. 2. Keep the R3 body, install and improve the 32meg sensor to greatly reduce rolling shutter, expand the buffer and improve the EVF over the R7. Drop the eye track AF that has been hit or miss to lower the cost. Make whatever improvements you can to the AF but keep the price around three-grand. Team this with the 100-500mm or even the 200-800 zoom and watch the birding and sports photographer communities make this the APS-C camera to rule them all. If anyone doubts birders will spend the money, check out the sideline photos of photographers gathering to photograph the eagles at the Conowingo Dam. They make the gear I had as a working press photographer look like I got my kit from a Cracker Jack box.
You have a mixture of full frame and aps-c users at the dam along with quality point and shoots such as the Nikon p900 and Nikon p1000.
You'll find both mirrorless DSLR and older DSLR tech with just mechanical sensors. Almost any long lens from primes to the 100-500 and I'm sure the 200-800.
@@num1hendrickfan I like the R7 and considered moving over to that camera but I think it needs a bit more refinement.
@@brucegraner5901 for Eagles in flight and perched it's an excellent camera. Especially if the lighting is good. But definitely wouldn't mind a refresh with a stacked sensor and faster readout speeds.
Canon updating a two year old camera body? Perhaps a firmware update? As a Canon enthusiast, hardware updates are welcome, but the industry in general doesn't move at the pace of two-year hardware updates. I look forward to the next bits of information.
There are definitely things that I’d prefer having on the R7 (a third wheel, less noisy shutter and less rolling shutter sometimes) however if they fixed all those things, the price is gonna be higher and then complain about that. 😆
The original R7 is a major disappointment. If (1) the focus is more consistent and sticky, (2) the sensor is faster (reducing rolling shutter distortion), and (3) the mechanical / first curtain shutter is MUCH, MUCH QUIETER, an R7ii would be a compelling option. It might be what the 7D fanatics hungered for all along. It might just take over the entire bird photography market.
The R7 does have issues such a the mechanical shutter, it is so violent that it makes it hard to use slower shutter speeds.
The R7 was sold as being able to shoot 15+ frames a second. The camera cannot do this as the sensor readout is not fast enough to focus for those 15 frames. Canon must have know this before releasing the camera, I think this was / is borderline fraud.
Stacked sensor would solve all three of these. As an RF owner I really wish they go that direction.
My only other wish is for them to fix the god awful pre-capture implementation, but that's a firmware issue with all Canon cameras. Hoping they solve it with the R5ii/R1 and it passes on to it.
My thoughts exactly
I'm sorry you have unreliable focusing. I have proven time and time again that the R7 has amazing autofocus and AF-tracking. I've posted birds in flight bursts with 40-105 shots with every shot in focus. I've shot against clear skies and very busy backgrounds. I'm sick of hearing about the focusing not being sticky.
The other things you said are 100% accurate, however.
@@FredBloggs467Stop talking nonsense. I shoot at 15fps all the time with my R7. You are misinforming others.
The slow sensor readout causes terrible rolling shutter with the electronic shutter but autofocusing and processing are not an issue. If your camera won't shoot 15fps then return it to Canon.
will wait for Mari IV
Flagship RF-S f2.8 and f4 glass would be nice as well.
Just do some better firmware.
8:04 and the R100.
Where to begin? I fell for the R7. Stupid me. I bought it the day it was released in the US. This camera sits in my bag collecting dust for all of the negative reasons you mentioned for a bird photographer. Every now and then, I bring it out and give it another go, just to put it away again. I really should sell it. If and when I ever get my RF 200-800, I'll give it another try.
Canon Rumors is sounding as credible as Canon's Marketing dept 🤣🤣🤣
I just hope it has higher frame rates😞
If new R7II comes out, needs to have better built quality than the current one, you need to have more professional, build quality like the DSLR 7D it replaces, more rocket body and better weather ceiling, then current R7 which is cheaply built.
It's only been a year and a half folks since release of the r7..how about release a firmware update to enhance existing features and call it a day instead of releasing a new body..? The last two updates were pretty much to add new lenses to the software and that's it..
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Personally, I don't understand why some of you are bothered by the rear wheel and make it out to be a problem. I'd like to say that the joystick feels like a pos..might as well have put a d-pad honestly it would have been more pleasant to use.
I too do not understand how they internally justified not having any contacts in the battery well for a battery grip..a whoping half a cent more per body, woa bankruptcy..
I hope the R7 rumor gets verified. I have been waiting to hear this for months.
I would like to just have a Camera as good as my Sony A7 III, Sony A7 iv, Sony A9 all without video features as video is not my thing, so would like to know how much video features cost when added to cameras hopefully it could bring costs down. what is everyone's thoughts. thanks
Howbout canon R4
Canon being at the version II of the R7 mirrorless camera meanwhile Nikon has not even released any good apsc camera for sport and wildlife since our beloved D500....😢😢
Please Canon owners, don't complain too much because Nikon users are completely helpless at this point
When They Release Canon eos R Mark II?
Dont think they Will . They have the r8 and r6iii would not make sense release something btw them
Nope. That's not going to happen. If you want to success to the RX mark two you're closest bet is either the R8 on the low end or the R6 mark two on the high end.
Realty Check: Canon haven't got much of a history with stacked sensors has it? so is that likely that the R7 would get one before R1 arrives
If Canon remoes the Bachwheel of the R7, which I own , then I will not upgrade to the R7 Mark 2. In my opinion this wheel at this place is one of the best improvement in Cameradesign. Ihe Layout is perfekt for me.
For me since R7 is my 3rd camera, I would not care much about the issues nor I gonna get Mark II. Plus its way too soon for mark II.
The price point is going to be way higher when you start talking stacked sensors in a new R7. But no one ever likes to talk about the pink elephant in the room and that is, Canon is mediocre in designing and manufacturing sensors. Everyone is always hoping for them to put out some magical sensor but we always get mediocrity. That's probably why the rumored specs of the R1 are saying 30 mpx. They can't make a high mpx sensor that can match the frame rates of the competition. Thoughts Simon??
Battery grip.
Would interest me a simple thing across all new canons an improved Bluetooth please at last and not so fussy about usbc to lightening cables that work and 180 slow mo with audio not asking much and easy switch between slow mo and original settings .T HE small things r big!!Auto subject tracking nice new feature .
Every genuine review on the R7 with good lenses says it's AF is extremely bad. I would not trust Canon to release a R7 II that is not hammered to the max.
Canon address the crop lens and third party issue first . Just my opinion.
...affordable good RF lenses would be more important!😁
That's why a lot of people are vocal about supporting third-party lenses. Its a segment canon didn't address well with EF glass, and having addressed much on the RF mount either.
EVF 2.36m dot r7..i hope R7II will be 5 million dot. 😊end af need much better.
Make it full frame we'll see
It's not going to be full frame
That opinion about the control wheel, is absolut and totally absurd (and I have one).
No sigma, no viltrox, no canon