Ep. 184 | Long Range on a Budget - Can You Do It?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Long Range on a budget - Can it be done? Hell-yeah it can. Jim and Mark sit down with in-house long-range shooters Nick Laufenberg and Scott Parks to discuss options and how to effectively engage in the ever increasing in popularity activity of long-range shooting. We also debut the Venom 5-25x56 riflescope - a budget-friendly, optically-sound and feature-rich riflescope, sure to make any current or future long-range shooter smile. After personally running this scope through its paces prior to launch, Jim and Mark both agree this scope performs like a champ - and you know how mark likes to live that “pinky-up” life, so that’s saying something.
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I bought a Ruger American Hunter .308 with the Magpul chassis for $700 and a Vortex Diamondback Tactical for $400 and rings for $80. I haven’t done anything crazy with it yet but I am very happy with it. Hopefully I can hit a silhouette at 1000. I am not expecting 5” groups at 1000 but if I can just reach that first goal then my budget was well spent. Great podcast. Keep’em coming!
I built something similar using the Ruger American Predator 18" in 308. Longest shot I've gotten so far was a deer at 300yds uphill. It's a great rifle for the money. I love it.
@@Enders1315 JD great choices; with or without you a 1000yd rig
If you want to shoot 1000 yards then there are much better choices than 308. Just wonder what rounds you are shooting
@@brinkee7674 Typically serra match when doing long range. I have been able to hit at 700. It is not as easy as I thought lol. But I'm getting much better at it. But this rifle is definitely able to do it. Would I take a shot at a moose at that distance, absolutely not. I do agree there are much better calibers to choose from to do that, but I'm not using it for that.
There are many 308 loads that stay supersonic at 1000 yards, and when handloaded 308 is beast, basically makes 6.5 creedmoor irrelevant
Bought a used savage 110 BA Stealth for 750 that came w/ UTG bipod, and bought a vortex crossfire II Tactical 6-24*50 for 399 and vortex precision rings for 150. After tax on the new scope and rings, I’m right at 1350 in a gun I take out to 1250m on the regular. I’m not hitting quarters, but I’m hitting the 10” gong. I’m very happy w/ it and am not scared to take it hunting.
Yea I did the same with a tc compass in 6.5 and the vortex tactical. So cheap to get into long range and get out to those 1000 yard gongs.
How much does it weigh? Where I hunt, humping a gun over 8 lbs. with all the crap you have to carry for all day or overnight makes a difference. Especially if you have to hump a carcass out for a couple miles. Why I love my Superlight T3X.
Big gun
Took my first long range intro class a couple months ago with a Ruger American 223 and Athlon scope. Not a great setup for 1000 yards, but was all i had. Learned a lot, now looking to put together something dedicated for 1000 yard steel.
Best factory rifle that I’ve shot which already ticks all boxes is the Tikka TacA1. It’s close to £1800 now here so not cheap but has the best action of the lot, a very good two stage trigger, an AR type rigid chassis with folding but stock and full length rail with a barrel shroud to take custom rails and attachments. Adjustable lop and cheek piece too. The only problem with it is unlike the Ruger PR the barrel is not in line with the folding but stock but it still shoots bug holes.
Optics wise I would argue that the optic quality matters a lot more than you guys suggest. Maybe not for hitting steel but for observation and long range shooting it matters a lot. Repeatability of turrets tends to be less accurate or consistent on cheaper optics too. Eyebox and eye relief matters a lot for rapid target acquisition as well as fov. That pretty much means min scope cost is probably still around a thousand for something decent. I use a PM2 and an NSX and my budget scope is a Tactical Elite which is a great scope, does everything you talk about well but compared with the PM2 it’s a night and day difference.
Glass quality really matters if you’re talking about 1k. If you can’t see what you’re aiming at you’ll rarely hit it. You’d be better off with quality glass at 24* than 50* with crap glass.
When you have 3 kids and 3 dogs and make 30k a year, a 1000 for a 1000 is the only viable option...
Also used
30k a year? Work harder for those kids. Forget ELR. 30k is table scraps.
If you have 3 kids and you’re only making 30k a year you need to focus on making more and providing better for those kids. That’s fuqing pathetic. You may be a great father, but 30k is poverty. Forget spending a grand on yourself. You don’t deserve it. Focus on those children.
@@traceyevans2757 Depends on where he lives. It may be nothing on either coast, but in the middle, there are places you can live very comfortably on that kind of money. In the rural area that I live in, people get by on less and aren’t poor.
A firearm is providing for his family... his family's safety is priceless.
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It is also, a sime thing that you see anywhere that an activity has a high priced premium price tag.
Kayaking. Archery. Camping. Hunting of course.
And naturally all things around shooting.
It has become very accessible through RUclips and other online platforms, to the public to view the best of the best athletes in a field, demonstrating the best performance with the best equipment.
But premium too shelf price tags make things prohibitive for many people either looking to get started, or, living on a modest budget for the 'fun extras'.
So, entry level affordable, but quality, functional, and enjoyable?
That has its own premium.
You can definitely make a budget precision long range rifle with the right components. I started with a weatherby vanguard. 308 short action 26 inch barrel with a 1 in 10 twist rate that i got new for $1000.00,i then bought an MDT oryx solid one piece aluminium chassis for $400.00 and dropped the .308 into it so the barrel is now fully floated and the action is bedded.I then got a gunsmith to thread the muzzle to take a good quality muzzle break-$200.00, lightened the trigger to 2lbs,bought a near new vortex 6x25x50 scope for $500.00 and put that on the rifle. Im now just over $2000,00 with this rifle but im shooting 500 yard targets with consistent tight groupings-2.5 moa and 800 yards-4 moa. Not bad for a 100 yard hunting rifle.
Yes. With my T/C Compass Gen 1, I shot a 1.25 inch group at 100 yards with 150 gr 308 Federal PowerShok. Also, one of our best selling scope is the Vortex 4-12x44 Crossfire 2; most prefer it over the 4-12x40 and 3-9x40 Diamondback.
I have the original TC Compass in 6.5CM with Vortex Diamondback 4-12. I get close to one inch groups and I'm no great shooter. I'll keep working on my fundamentals then will step up to Vergara HMR.
I don't understand why you guys keep going to the 6.5 creedmore and not the 6.5PRC. They are comparatively priced, and the PRC way out performs the creedmore. I've shot both calibers from the same model rifle. A savage 110tac. I would by far prefer the prc over the creedmore. I haven't been able to shoot the grand with my 110 tac yet, but the recoil difference in the 110 tac is pretty much nothing. Other rifles I can't speak to, but from my 110 I couldn't tell a difference. However on impact I can tell you the prc is a perfect option for target and hunting. I could shoot my rifle all day and have no soreness.
I missed FFP / Milrad ranging. Width of target in meters x 1000 divided by width of target in mils = range in meters.
Great Podcast, very helpful conversation to new long range shooters like me.
When a interview with Nick talking about his new Book?
I would suggest that any new rifle be tested with several different types of ammo to find the factory load that works for it, then buy the case of ammo that works. In my AR 15, the Fiocchi Match Grade 77 bullets performed at less than MOA. The lighter bullets were increasingly worse than the as they got lighter, including the lighter Fiocchi Match Grade ammunition. More varieties are available since I last did a comparison and I need to have another range day to see what else may be as good or better.
1:7 twist on that? I've found with 55 to 62 grain factory ammo mine does fairly rough, but those are usually cheaper rounds also
@@nk-dw2hm mine was 1:8 twist.
@@The340king I kinda wish I had gone 8 or 9 instead of 7 for mine, good luck out there!
Remington 700adl in 30-06, piller bedded into a Boyd's At-One stock. Having picked the trigger yet but getting a Vortex Diamondback to throw on it this weekend.
long range is getting easier and cheaper. 1000 yards is super easy these days for $1000. 1000 yards is the same challenge these days 1500 yards was less than a decade ago. Rifles, scopes, and ammo just keep getting better. Triggers too, those have gone crazy in the past decade.
If you would bring back the ebr1 in the Razor Gen 2 I would buy it in a minute. Grid reticles are just too busy for my eyes. I guess I'll keep saving for my Nightforce ATACR.
I like the BCD for my scopes sighted in at 200 yards instead of 100
Definitely a solid option!
I run nightforce Leupold pst gen 2. I just brought the venom exceptional scope with rev stop in it’s only got 47 moa but that gets you a fair way. For the price unreal even tracks on tall target test.
Right on - thanks for the support, Ollie!
I built a 1000 yard rifle for 480$ you just gotta know what to buy there are many cheap very accurate rifles out there and cheap precision scopes like the vortex cf and others
Is that 480 recently? I am having a hard time finding just a rifle, no optics for that much.
@@jtjackson365 It’s possible to by a used gun, have the barrel bedded and find a used optic for 500 but realistically you’re going to have atleast 800 in it for a quality build
My buddy recently got some kind of budget Remington in 6.5 creedmoor and I was very sceptical at first but once we sighted it in, despite having an awful trigger, I managed to shoot a 0.6" 5 shot group at 100 yards
Well, if it works, it twerks.
@@miamislice3280 *works. Twerk doesn't work, only siphens.
I'm renewing my interest in hunting. I'm overwhelmed with the cartridge selection. I'm mostly hunting deer. But, I'd like the option to be able to hunt elk. Originally I was all in on 6.5 Creedmoor. Then I was leaning towards .280 Ackley Improved for bigger game. Now I'm thinking 7mm rem mag or 6.8 western.
Frustrated with so many choices i though about going with .308 and calling it a day.
I’d say go 308 man. If you’re hunting midrange, you won’t be unhappy. It will take any game in North America.
6.5Cr is fantastic and beats 308 as far as ballistic coefficient, but I subscribe to 30cal master race mentality.
Alternatively, my second choice is 300win mag. Amazing 30cal round that you can smack out past 1000 all day and it will knock big game down like nothing.
But yes, 308 is amazing. It’s cheap, so you can practice and ammo is widely available. I practice with m80 ball for example.
@@traceyevans2757 I'm going with 308. I went to several online retailers and looked at the availability of each of the cartridges available. Some weren't available at all. The ones that were available had limited stock except for 308. I'm not gonna shoot anything at a distance that 308 wouldn't be affective.
Go with a classic 30-.06. There’s plenty of bullet weight choices. They are fast and with a good setup 600yds is easily attainable
7 mag
lmao if you bought a $100 mosin nagant back in the 2000-2012 apparently everyone was shooting a 1000 yards with those. you never saw the paper to prove it. but all the forums had around 12 dudes who said they did.
Mine did these fantastic 3" groups at 100.
Haha.
Tiborasaurus rex has a video of him hitting around 900 yards with a Mosin
I've done it with a 1903, although it took 15 rds lmao
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That. Thank you Mark.
Nowadays a ruger American predator. Or mossberg mvp lr and a arken optics with some good heavy rings and a swivel Harris is really not the wrong answer. Especially in 6.5cm yea I said it lol. The 1000 yards for under 1000$ is definitely definitely the world we live in.
You're not wrong ... I'm actually a fan of a Savage Accu-triggers, but that Mossberg MVP trigger is a very good trigger as well... I'm eyeing a 6.5 PRC as my next long range build, currently have 3 1000 rifles I've done up, but the 6.5 PRC should be able to get to the "Mile." 👍 Arken is really probably the best"bang for the buck" I've seen.
@@carolinausedmachinery I can put my old fclass stuff in the hands of some of these ppl and it’ll group 5” too…. But pretty much everything does under 2” nowadays with pretty much all ammo. I recently got a friend into reloading and showed him how to tune a load one step at a time. And he’s got some dirt cheap 260$ Remington something in 270 that shoots .6-.7 all day long every day now with good cases good powder berger bullets with a good load good seating on bullet and primer etc etc. It really all depends but 2 moa will get you on a milk jug after a few rounds at a thousand no problem. I’ve got a mossberg mvp lr in 6.5c that shoots .3-.4 all day too. It’s just a cheap spray painted long range pig gun.
@@dougmorehouse7035 yea I’ve gone two I think they are very decent glass. And I’ve cheaply got into the prc now with a ruger. I started shooting the berg 153 out of it and 4350 lapua cases good load worked out and that thing is a pretty nice deal to shoot. It gets about .4-.5. Boringly predictable… it’ll get to 1800 any day of the week except hurricane season… lol. I wanna say if I remember right it’s right at 7 mill to get to 1000. I think I settled it somewhere around 2880 fps. Pretty decent gun to shoot….
@@carolinausedmachinery I have a mossberg patriot in 30-06 paired it with a vortex optic,some 180 gr federal fusions and I can get groups better than that.sometimes it’s the equipment for sure but other times it’s the operator.
@@MrT13 do you even know what your talking about? 2 moa at a 1000 is over a 20 inch group, not sure how big your milk jugs are
Have you any reviews on Vortex scopes??? Something for the range but could be use well for deer stalking.
10rd magazines for standard tikka are made by mamba mag in Australia
I have a .270 Remington 700 that I filed the stock on with a resinator on that I hit a gallon jug of water at 400 yards on with the 2nd shot and three wind directions on. I will never buy another Remington 700! If it isn't a Bergara or better, I will not purchase it! I used to love Remington and my .243 will bust targets a long way out, but it doesn't have enough punch to take out big targets. The new Remington 700 is junk! If it was military grade, or ordered from the custom shop, that would be different
Remington rifles have become such junk from a mass production rifle. That is so sad for a rifle that used to be suck a precision rifle when I was a youth in the 80's!
Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about
"The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70)
Mostly, I am interested in:
model 70 extreme weather ss
Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever!
And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless
Thanks
Gregory from Alberta
I might be reading into this but Jimmy sounds like he just eluded to a gen 3 razor coming soon.
stay tuned....
weird gun jimmy is prolly right about the hassle and frustration of experimental ammo and firearms I'm guessing a lot knowledge and insight comes out that of trial and error that gets filtered down through the community and valuable feedback gets back to mfgs.
Budget is fun because you can start with something simple and build it up yourself.
I honestly wish there were better 'starting' rifles for this purpose.
Car scene used to be the same way. Buy a good chassis and build a fast car. Then the FnF kids got a hold of everything and ruined it lol.
Howa 1500 6.5 creedmore with a Vortex 4-16x-50mm, done for around $1000
In the car world. All go. No show.
I really like the Razor scopes and they are my go to scopes that I have presently have 4 of. But the Gen 1 Viper PST scopes are of extremely low quality and I'm still mad vortex and reviewers told me those things were good. They're absolute trash and incapable of shooting past 300 yards because it's like looking through a stained glass window. The glass quality is terrible and there are sooooooo many manufacturing defects. I sent my 6-24x50 FFP back to Vortex twice and it's still worthless like 8 years later. It was $949 and it's still sitting on my workbench, unmounted.
I wanna take my highpoint carbine out to a thousand. I mean this is my budget
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I mean it's possible. Jerry Miculek hit a balloon at 1000 with a 9mm revolver.
That's a fairly long walk. 😂
@vortexnationpodcast hey guys is it possible to run the Vortex Extreme with a 30-.06?
You can tell its an Aspen because the way it it is =)
1000 is not budget. It's more than alot of people's gun and scope together. Heck they have 2 guns and scooes for that price
I think if someone going to get into comp shooting they should learn to reload, that can give you the chance to improve your Kraft on a budget.
I don’t think you save much money, just cheaper per round.
Spend the same amount of money on your ammo budget but shoot more rounds down range. The other big Advantage is being able to tailor your rounds to your specific rifle.
Can I add a ABL 1500 to the scoop
What is considered long range? I think 200 yards is pretty long
Anywhere from 700-1000 yards is considered long range. 200 yards is short-medium range
Absolutely what I needed to hear. Thanks
I think the 2 stage or "bladed" trigger is horrible, especially for pistols! My dad had a self-defense gun with a 2 stage trigger an he jersey it every time! He either missed or shot a body target in the gonads! When he squeezed the trigger, he expected it to go off and dropped his hand every time. I made him use his .38 colt police special or taught him not to pull his weapon unless he was point blank. Ithink 2 stage triggers are death traps for many people!
I think everyone needs to start off on the budget end of things and start modifying to fit their needs as their skill set develops because through that process is when you learn what matters and what works best for you. I started shooting groups while reloading for hunting and started trying to stretch things out at longer ranges all with a factory Howa 1500 hunting rifle. I started modifying it once I found its limits to help me reach the next goal and I learn so much along the way about everything to do with shooting with that 1 rifle... Granted I wasn't shooting competition and I don't shoot long range while hunting. The whole process from reloading, modifying guns, to shooting long range or just hunting in general is all part of being a gun enthusiast. Great podcast guys yall rock!!!
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for tuning in, Daniel!
I agree to an extent. There are certain purchases that are just useless, and if you spend a bit more you get a lot more. Agree first time gun buyer doesn’t need a ZCO and 375 cheytec
Must be nice to call a 1500 hun rifle a low budget gun!!!!!
Shot 1K yards on my little turd TC Compass 6.5 creedmoor with a Bushnell buckmaster II. Cost me $350 total. Is it as good as a precision rifle? No where close. Can it be done? Yes.
I got my 6.5 compass when they were $175 with a $75 rebate, $10 wal mart rings, 79.99 clearance 3.5-10 diamondback out shoots my Cooper out to 500. It's amazing
I have the same gun in a Vortex Diamondback 4-12 package. She outshoots me for sure.
Compass in .270 with a Vortex 6-18.
Most rifles shoot better than the person pulling the trigger.
Really FUN show. Lots of laughs and good information. .338 Lapua is $6-7 a round for budget ammo in my part of the world. I seem to be spending a lot time w/ the .22LR as of late. New scope is very nice from what I read. Cheers Vortex
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I have to chime in here. I’m old as dirt, been shooting since 11, I’m not made of money and I’m an avid handloader.
Long story short back in the late 70’s I bought a used Ruger M77 with the heavy barrel in 25/06 for banging ‘chucks. Took them out to just over 500 yards.
Fast forward to 2017 and I bought a Savage 12FV with the 26” bull barrel and Accu-Trigger in 6.5 Creedmoor used for $250. I installed a Glades Armory bolt handle and a 6x24x50 Vortex Tactical scope, a cheap Amazon bipod and headed for the range with some 123gr handloads using 748 powder.
I was rewarded with sub 1/2” groups at 100 yards Tupperware stock and all.
After some load development and using my neck turned brass ringing 6” steel at 330 yards was like phoning home. I pushed it out to just over 500 yards on a friend’s range and thanks to my years of NM shooting I was posting some 3” groups if I did my part.
IMHO 1000 yards for $1000 is very possible. I did modify the stock with 3/8” rod epoxied into a filled forend and without handloading it would be no way so you have to take that into account.
1000 for 1000 ? You bet but there a lot of “if’s” in there and some of them money can’t buy.
A 2-10x44 ffp with parallax, capped windage and the ebr 7c coming in at about 12in long would be fantastic. Alot of people are building and playing with mk12 spr type rifles and I feel like it would fill a void that alot of people are wanting. I personally can't find one.
Have you seen the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10x44mm? It's certainly well liked by people that have it.
I bought a Savage 338Lapua Magnum in a MDT,LSS XL I PAID $1700 FOR JUST THE RIFEL not counting the suppressor i put on it,& i put a vortex 1x26 scope on it all total I've got 3k invested in it
MDT chassis are the best, I've got to save also I'm going to buy a christensen 375 and it's gonna cost me $2700 just for the rifel,&$2500 for the Dessert eggle 44mag, guns are a great investment
The Savage blade, love it. I have more expensive rifles like a Christianson arms in a 6.5 creedmore. However that accutrigger seems to work better for me. My Savage 270 with a cheap Nikon scope and Walmart $13 a box ammo shoots circles around the Christianson with a higher end vortex scope hand loads. Actually ticks me off 😜 for me the accutriger just seems to work better. To each his own. What works for me might not work for Joe
I have a friend who adamantly states his Savage Axis II in 270 is his most accurate and most consistent shooting rifle he has: he has some pretty expensive rifles. I have a Savage Axis II heavy barrel (18") with a Boyds varmint stock and Nikon 2.5-10 scope: it shoots 3/4 MOA from a bipod any time I take it out. No bedding. I actually like the accutrigger.
How far are ya'll shooting ?
6.5 ammo is more expensive.. The 308 is cheap and available. It may not be the best all around but the 308 is the top of the hill especially in these ammo shortage times and price gouging.
308 will still make you a better shooter than the rest. 👍🏻👍🏻
And Barrel life for 308 is around 8K 6.5 is about 2K before it starts losing accuracy
Jimmy is practicing to be a Sith Lord… we never see his eyes in this podcast due to his flat bill hat… I dub thee “Darth Vortex”
Ahhhhhh yes...you've caught him😂
@@VortexNation maybe paint his rifle in blocky red and black tribal designs
"At last we will have our revenge on the whitetail"
Did I hear a 300WSM in an AR gas platform for sale? Please contact me.
Bergara B-14 HMR in 300 WM.
Athlon Midas Tac 5-25x56
Athlon precision rings
Badger Ordinance 30 MOA base
Harris bipod
I will hit at one mile.
I started off with a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmore with an Arken 6-24 and was able to get to 1000 without much trouble. I did finally buy a Vortex PST which didn’t really affect my range abilities. Long range shooting is a lot of fun and I got hooked. My second long range gun was a Ruger Precision in 6.5 Creed. I am now doing a custom build in 6 Creed because why not. Also don’t overlook the 6 ARC or 6.5 Grendel
I am thinking about building 25 inch 6.5 grendel and use 130 eldm
With inflation and gas prices, we have to budget more than ever!
How bout a video on the fundamentals of shooting
What would you like to see covered?
I just got a 4-16 Vortex Tactical & love it. Looking to go from 165 to 600 yds with Ruger AP, 6.5 CM… Learning stage.
Hi guys I’m coming from Australia and watching your show and wanted to comment myself and a good friend have both recently jumped into some longer range precision shoots he has a tikka tac a1 and I have a RPR and with hand loads are giving f class a real hurry up and don’t agree that that what you guys are calling budget guns there are not competitive because we are consitantly well below MOA at 900 meters or 985yards the current guns are doing this easy
This podcast is awesome for me as a new shooter. Very useful and helpful info. Big fan of vortex optics
That is awesome to hear - we're glad you find them helpful! 😊
Love my Bergara b14 HMR in 308
Have the same gun. Fantastic!
I have the same but in the hipster caliber. It's really nice.
Easy to do get heavy barrel ruger m77 in 270 and problem solved take it from a pro
I have 1 in 7 rem mag. Never tried to reach 1000, but i can dream.
I not only shoot compatision with my 338Lapua magnum,but i hunt with it too, anything from deer to brown bear& if i don't want use that then i also use my Henary 45-70 with a 500gr hard cast bullets it's almost at the same power as a 458wm😊
Used Savage Axis 2 Precision, UTG bipod and cheap brake was on it when i bought it, gave 600 for it, had a cheap optic i put on just because i was itching to shoot the rifle (Millet) and burris rings. Lightened the trigger, only took it to 400 yards, but ive only had it 2 weeks
I went from 1moa with a factory ruger american predator 6.5 creedmoor to .25moa with an ICD chassis, timney trigger, and vg6 gamma 65 brake (thats with factory ammo, I now only use winchester deer season xp 125gr)
Also, that was with a cheap 105 dollar UTG 4-16x44 scope, I now have a 4-16x44 ffp mrad vortex on it which is definitely a huge upgrade but ive been very impressed with almost all UTG products, my UTG scopes have taken an absolute beating and never lost zero, and they zero easily, their scope mounts and rings are very good, and their ar parts are also good, as are their flashlights, their only "not very good" products imo are their holsters, honestly they suck, but I like their stocks, buffer tubes, etc, their flashlights are super bright and seem very durable as well, haven't tested the waterproofing because I don't want to risk my 70 dollar flashlight but it has been exposed to rain and moisture and extreme cold
14:45 "Just the way it is... Like an Aspen" 😂😂😂
I have the same R700 SPS Tactical w/threaded barrel in .308. Although I believe it's a 20" barrel. Anyway, love that thing. And it had that Hogue stock on it. Horrible, horrible stock lol. It was so flexible and it drove me insane because I couldn't use a bipod with any kind of consistancy. Best I could do is lightly lay it on a bag. I finally put a cheap MDT Oryx on it and it was a night/day difference. I had no idea at the time of how much of a difference a more ridgid chassis would do until I did it. I also adjusted the stock trigger and that made it much better. Similar to Jim, I felt like I had to jam a crowbar in there lol. Now it's just a great rifle.
Also, I have that 5-25 Venom on that rifle. I had a Razor HD Gen 2 on it, but transplanted it onto my 300 PRC that could utilize that scopes potential a little better.
You need to do a show specifically on putting together a .22 long range rifle. Thanks.
I'd go with a 243 winchester if I was reloading my own ammo.
Or a 22.250 ?
I'm going be seeing how far these airguns will shoot. so far I've only shot out at 100yards with them no problem
Good point, the next gen scopes will have everything for 500 or less. Even the that latest scope will be outdated shortly
I bought the Vortex Diamondback Tactical, new for 400 bucks and it is doing great. 400 was my budget and it is perfect for that.
some of the best triggers iv used have been on cva single shots, henry single shot, my zastiva lk m70 bolt action, and lymans great plains muzzle loader with double set trigger.. a few other rifles with double triggers. those doubke triggers or set triggers are probably the best. there like glass breaking.
I have two pre-accustock Savage rifles in 30-06 and 270WSM with super flexy stocks that shoot half MOA with hunting bullets (150gr TTSX and SGKs), which is really funny because one of them is badly warped and pressing against the right side of the barrel, not sure how Savage makes them shoot like that with absolute crap stocks but they do, granted not 1,000 yard match rifles but plenty good enough for hunting.
That is a month's salary where I live. Jobs around here u make 1,200 a month nothing better until u get 45 min away. That's why I have to drive 2 hours 1 way to support my family and 2 kids.
I just ordered a Ruger american hunter, with a vortex viper 4x16×50 scope and need scope rings. What hight should I get. Small medium large. Or extra large?
Swfa ss good budget scope
They are solid. Just a bit outdated. Small objective lens and no zero stop kinda hurts them. I had a spare one and it was a hold over till I bought a proper long range optic for my 6.5 Creedmoor. Almost 5 years later I still haven't replaced it. 10x is plenty of power to hit 1000.
The best thing would be to have/develope the talent to take the arcaic budget equipment and do the impossible like with old race cars and have all the women wanting to have your babies! Agh! agh agh agh ohooo..... 😆 Too much? Be well guys, T
You guys are slow and boring. Get the info out quick without the worthless jibber jabber. Stopped watching. Vortex videos are weak.
.308 and .223 allow you to compete in less competitive classes st the club level.
It does people no good to watch a video and you give an example and the box on the table is blocking it.
IE: "I like a blade trigger, like this one here on the
Ruger American". It might have helped, since you had a shareable example right there on the table, maybe show it.
Best match bullets are the newly machined copper spun projectiles. Ft. Scott does an amazing job with all of their rounds and with the t.u.i. performance, they are perfect for both accuracy and damage. Win win!!!
Planning out a 26" 30-06, Yugo 48 action, probly Shaw fluted barrel, and BT-25 scope, all on a magpull tactical style stock. Seems to be coming in around 1100 for parts(I've had the action for a while). Unsure of 'Smith costs or cerakote yet. Feelin like 2K, with a "cheap" scope.
I did the same build Yugo Brno large ring Mauser (K98).... Timny trigger, Gentry 3 position safety, and placed it into an archangel chaise with a Douglas 26"#4 barrel chambered in 30-06, threaded and put a EC tuner muzzle break this thing is crazy, absolute shooter I ring steel at 1000 yards running factory ammo.... Actually Remington core lock tipped 165gr to be exact. You will be happy with your project mine ran me just under 1100 because I did allot of the work my self
Dang... I just bought a Savage BA10 Steath in 6.5 Creedmoor for 1k. Now I need a scope, what do you all recommend? My budget is $700 bucks.
Bushnell XRS elite tactical gen 2. 6-30x50 I think.
Wait for black Friday and pick up a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5x25x50 FFP.
Midway usa has 25%/50% off on scopes picked up a crimson trace scope.
for those firearm guys out here you may not know but airguns have big bore now even 1 up to .72caliber 1500fpe
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If you’re going to shoot precision long range it’s hard to beat a Bergara 6.5 Creednore.
What are the specifications on the rifle use for the video? I may want to use it as a baseline for my own rifle.
Very good video. A little too general for me. Is there a list of parts for the rifle you built?
Currently setting my “long range” rifle up. Mossberg Patriot Night Train in .300 win mag. Changed the factory synthetic stock to a Boyds At-One stock. Replaced the junk UTG Leaper scope with a Vortex 6x24x50 (MRAD-FFP) Diamondback Tactical, and Burris XTR signature scope rings.
My tikka in 300 winmag loves that scope set up using barnes lrx 175 grain favorite deer load. Btw using lowest charge of imr 4350 so 30-06 velocity so pumped to do .3 below max
Honestly, if you spend enough time with your weapon and understand your ammo you can make that shot
Thanks guys, you solved my rifle issues. Wanting to get into precision but having no rifle and a interest in small game ...a 22 with a scope I can transfer to a 6.5 later is how I'm going at things. Thirty videos later I get resolve, ha!
Hi Mike. Look for a Swedish rifle in 6.5 Swedish. 👍🏻
Also I’m into multi function. I want an accurate do all rifle that I could compete with that I could hunt with too. I’m not hunting with a chassis gun.
Savage Axis 30-.06
Agreed. I just picked up a Springfield 2020 waypoint in 6.5 with the carbon barrel, non adjustable stock. With my sling, atlas bipod direct mounted, magazine, and Viper PST gen2 5-25x50 ffp my rifle is 9lbs flat. Its actually carryable
Personal I think any off the rack rifle with match grade ammo (reloaded for that rifle ) will shoot lights out .
Just ordered the venom in mrad. I was on the fence about a gen 1 viper and the diamond back. Thanks so much for these podcasts.
I got the mrad 4-16 diamondback and I'm very happy with it, next ffp scope I think I'm gonna go for the 4-14 athlon tho because of price and I have a 1-4 athlon that I'm very impressed with
I also just now realized this video was on Vortex's channel lol, it auto played, was watching whoteewho
If you’re going for “budget” precision, then you HAVE to get the longer factory heavy barrel. That’s when the price jumps way up. An upgraded precision trigger is less than $300, a decent aftermarket chassis to replace the factory stock is less than $500. OK, that’s north of $1K (haven’t even talked about glass yet) but you have better long range capability than most third world armies.
Anybody can do long range on nothing more than an iron sight match conditioned AR-15A4 or A2. It’s all about barrels, bullets, and, most important, Marksmanship. Sling up and practice consistent sight alignment and smooth trigger control. Learn how to appraise and counter wind via MOA wind constant formula. Enter NRA Long Range Competition in Service Rifle Division, Taking this route will assure you become a top shooter because shooting an iron sight AR at 1000 yards demands more knowledge and skill than do results from any other platform.
Used to self build rifles off of Savage action. Usually getting very cheap at pawn shop and selling barrel. Would either replace stock or reinforce stock fore end with arrows. For around $500 to $700 I would have a rifle capable or well under 1/2 MOA. Never spent more than $1000 on rifle but that had new stock, barrel, bipod and trigger and would shoot with three bullets touching each other or smaller. Many folks say they have a 1/2 MOA gun because they shoot a 1/2" group now and then. A true 1/2" gun will always shoot 1/2" or better unless due to the nut behind trigger
after first 1 milion shots gets easer. Any weapon.
Awesome video very educational especially for a 1st time shooter 😎🤙🏽Alooooooooha 🏝👊🏽
Interesting topic . .lots of options for buyers looking at equipment and info on line .. such as this . Thank you .