these videos are amazing! I was looking up tips on pipe bending and your videos popped up. I've been hooked ever since. It's extremely informative and really appreciate the way you take time to break down every aspect, and then show how you do it. Thank you!
You said someone asked about one large conduit instead of the several you have, if you put all of them in one conduit there is a derating factor that app;lies every time a wire is added the current carrying capability drops, and after awhile a #12 gauge wire would hardly be rated to carry any current at all. Been an electrician for years, (retired now) but I can tell you're a top notch electrician, keep up the good work, Love your videos, takes me back, especially the conduit bending. God Bless America
Danny if he dropped all the 3/4 pipes into a trough right above the panels and came out the bottom with some short 2 inch pieces. ( separate 3/4 pipes for low voltage only) Derating is not a factor. I'm pretty sure the pipe run has to be more then 2 feet before derating is an issue. Having all those pipes leaves you zero space to add future circuits. I work commerical and I almost ALWAYS put a trough above my panels. I have never failed an inspection.
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Hello Stan, It would be interesting to see a time line of your career. How you got started, how you accessed career paths, how you initially formed the company etc. Maybe some of the young guys could get a better handle on goals and career steps for their future path. It is obvious you are meticulous with your work. Take care. Doug
I appreciated your comments about people who have to follow you and thinking about them. I see you label everything when the bundles are run. That attitude is just crazy enough to work. Thanks
We just do a quickie white tape/sharpie marking job when pulling wire, after everything is bundled and routed, we make nice labels and install after the final trim, I use the Brady making system and make label sets for both ends, if either end has labels left over, we forgot one or something is wrong.
Reminiscent of my telecom days. Organization and function were always present. Flush cuts were required, Labeling was intense too. Every cable was labeled at both ends. Goal was everything could be disconnected and re-terminated using nothing more than the existing labels. Depending on the job labeling could be 50% of the time spent. Very boring, and zero glamor, but the first time you had to troubleshoot or replace something you were hooked on the method. Enjoy your work. I really had no idea these kinds of systems were out there.
Thank you sir for the time im a electrician 29 years of experience and i appreciate your help and time local 3 electrician from NYC who works for the Mta ntc transit now for 2 and a half years now. 👍🏿💯
Excellent work Stan, keep up the industrial control series! We've had to track down a couple control issues caused by induced voltages and it is no fun. A neat cabinet makes general troubleshooting much easier as well.
As a plumber involved in boilers I dont know electricity too much as I wish. But u are a real artist worker... great... you got me impressed. Thanks for sharing
Great video Bet when the next guy comes along in the future to repair something it would be a breeze working on that panel. Very nice job you did a great job explaining the steps too.
Stan, good point about the time it takes to do a panel neatly and properly. I have worked on many residential jobs where the GC would rather me stuff wires wherever I can fit them than making things neat and clean. It helps for identifying different devices and also makes it clear to whoever might work on the panel in the future where everything is going.
Beautiful work sir! My job is always easier when folks like you take the time to put together a rational, organized panel. ++ for spare wires - they are a life saver.
Just can across this video. It reminds me of the work my dad did wiring control panels for Commonwealth Edison back in the 1960's. That was before plastic wire ties. He used waxed cord to bundle the wires, with a clove hitch around the wires and half hitch to tie the ends of the cord together. Good looking work. The next person into the panel to make changes or repairs will appreciate it. Thanks for sharing. It brought back pleasant memories.
Fascinating!!! Amazing to watch a skilled tradesman doing his craft. I am a retired fire chief but thoroughly enjoy watching talented craftsmen apply their trade..
That is impressive. Next week I start up my apprenticeship leaving my 18yr CNC machinist field in the past, Electronics/industrial is something I find so challenging and awesome field to be in, so I made my move and decided to move forward with it before its too late! Thanks for this videos!
A very interesting and clean install Stan. A panel box that looks that cleanly wired shows that the tech is organized and cares about their work. Regards, Duck
My rule of thumb: If it looks good it works good. I hate those little pads, alcohol is good, but they always loosen up in south Texas. Just too hot for too long. I also like to flush trim the tag ends of tie wraps. Keeps the next guy from getting cut when troubleshooting. Putting the tie wraps on the same way every time makes for a clean install. It becomes second nature over time. I've found my customers like the clean look, and don't complain about my prices as much. Excellent tutorial on the proper way to wire a control cabinet.
super nice and clean work. Very rewarding to watch and do. PS some of my logic about OCD looking panels is that along with it becoming second nature when you do it so much, you have to make a game out of the monotony to avoid blowing your head off when you have hundreds of circuits/terminations. Faster and prettier keep you sane.
Thank you for the video, Its very helpful for me to see these videos you're doing. I'm literally just starting industrial general maintenance. Every day goes by something new I get to see.
I always enjoyed wiring control system cabinets. I was always fussy wiring all the various cables to make it look clean and professional, and it made future troubleshooting and maintenance a simple task. I also developed a simple trick to protect the data cables from excessive interference and data loss. Back then the Ethernet cables used were the flat type ribbon-style cables and not the twisted pair cables used today. My technique dealing with the data cables was to wrap them with foil faced furnace tape and follow up with wrap of a quality electrical tape. At the time it may have seemed excessive, but it virtually eliminated electrical interference and data loss. The flat style Ethernet cables were notorious for cross-talk which causes data loss and errors. Back then the twisted pair Ethernet cables were not widely available and were much more expensive then the flat style cable.
Those flat type "Ethernet" cables have never been correct for Ethernet. The correct cable was also never that expensive--even in the 80s, the round telephone cords supplied by AT&T for their Merlin phone were twisted pair and worked fine with 10baseT ethernet. You also had the option of buying a roll of 4-pair telephone cable (1000 feet of which probably cost all of $30 back then) and RJ45 connectors and making your own twisted pair cables.
Very good job and neat, the headlight is a must when you stick your hand in a dark live bucket, been there you would like to go home at the end of the day.
One job I had back in the 70's was making looms for large computer power supplies on a "nail board". All wires were terminated both ends, labeled, and tie wrapped at specific points to relieve strain for field installation. It's much easier to trace for fault service AND it keeps the loom out of the way of components. End result is something that LOOKS neat and pretty, because the function determines how to route wiring. Same thing here, it's not because of an "OCD" personality, it's b/c of the function. I'd much rather service a panel that looks this way than one done in a haphazard manner, or laid out to "look" pretty but took so much time that, as the man says, wastes time (and money).
Stan, for ringing your wiring have a look at the Extech CT40 cable identifier it will allow you to trace up to 16 wires all on your own if you do not have a helper available. Jason
Nice looking cabinet Stan. Is it customer's call on using wire channel and ferrules or more of an issue with space and saving time/money? I know ferrules are nice to keep stray strands contained, especially when terminal is hard to get to or see.
I will match whatever the panel builder does, we get panels from all over the country, some really beautifully arranged and wired. The more space they give me, the easier it is to get (and keep) neat.
great video. Where i work i deal with a rather large turret punch with a material storage tower and transfer system. Three different control boxes with multiple vfds and servo controllers. Yet whenever something goes wrong nothing in the boxes are labeled and is a hunt and peck method of diagnosis. is that am industry standard so the average operator can't fix minor problems and has to call in the pros?
Glad to see you using a tie wrap gun, can't tell you how many times I've been cut open because someone was too lazy to trim the tie wraps flush, those angle cut ends are like razor. Just a pet peeve of mine
The VFD,s that I’ve installed requires the motor ground to be landed at the VFD then a jumper bonding the VFD to the ground bus. Other than that, I like a control cabinet that doesn’t fill the whole room just so they can run all the cables in the plastic wire way’s
I would prefer a slightly larger enclosure for that panel, if at all possible. I hope you have better luck with the peel and stick mounts. I find they don't stand up to heat and come loose.
Hey James, 3M peel and sticks work well, I keep little alcohol wipes in my cart. I would LOVE a larger panel, but those are the cards delt to me. :) nice to see you on the channel.
i use brake cleaner spray a rag and wipe 3m make some really sticky mounts , i am with james a bigger box makes trouble shooting much easier when it is on a machine that has a lot of shock or hard cycles where things tend to come loose even if you do every thing wright and to code
Happy to see some industrial investments being made somewhere in Cali, I assume it's California. With all the BS regs and endless new environmental certifications added monthly I'm surprised *anyone* puts any money in this state.
What kind of adhesive sticky mounts you use? All the ones that I ever used aged badly, the adhesive breaks down in a couple of years and they fall off. High temperature ages them even quickly.
I noticed you got a little fan in there. Guess it must get pretty hot in that cabinet with 480 running through there. BTW, is the 480 for the VFDs (Variable Frequency Drives)? I can't imagine the PLCs needing that.
Hey Stan, I've been in the electrical power business for 40 years. Nice to see a panel done right. Does your equipment supplier provide the panel, or do you use a separate UL listed shop to fab the panels? Nice work, and really good instructional video.
Hi Stan Nice job just a few questions and comments are you using Siemens because of the graphical interface you hid behind the cardboard ? do you ever use slotted plastic cable trunking in panels and a comment now you need to start using cable in trays or trunking to connect everything like the rest of the world (opposed to wire in conduit) i know it is used in the US I have seen pictures of server farms built in large warehouses filled with 20` containers full of servers in 19" racks have a nice day
Surprised they didn't use wire duct in the control box. But I guess that would have required a bigger enclosure it looked pretty tight in there between DIN rails.
i'm an electrician in the netherlands, even here in europe wire colours and connection methods differ from country to country, but wow, this is so much different than the way we do it. just a couple of questions out of curiosity: no neutral on your 3 fase? we use wire end crimp on connectors for flexible wireing, dont you use them in the us? just one little remark: i think sticking the mounts to the vfd's is a bad idea, they get hot and the glue melts etc.
adriaan Neutrals are not mandatory for individual loads powered by single phase, or three phase. The Authority Having Jurisdiction(city/township), or engineer may specify one, but it will be an unused conductor in the raceway. The same rules apply for ground(earth) conductors. Ferrous raceways, like the conduit for these loads can be used as the ground, but the AHJ or engineer might specify a grounded conductor. Crimp connections are typically found on low voltage connections. Higher voltage/current connections primarily use wire nuts and lugs. Waygo connectors are slowly gaining popularity, but the majority of electricians prefer the wire nuts. I don't know if you know how wire nuts work, but you twist your stripped conductors together clockwise, and then twist the nut clockwise over the top. A tapered spring inside of the nut expands while your twisting, and closes tight around the conductors when you let go. It's an old method, but has proven itself when done right.
Hi Stan Very neat and organized work! I think "workman like" is the correct complimentary phrase:-) Question: I may be old school and always put a bit on antioxidation compound on wires of 120V and up. Is this still done these days by the pros? thanks vic
What about your grounding wire to the VFD terminals next to the BOY wiring? Im gonna take a guess that they are grounded to the DIN rail and the panel is then grounded?
Hey Brian, 4 fans, 2 heaters, 50 lights, 3 limit circuits, 4 mod motors, misc airflow, high limit switches .... oh, and a "sleep" mode if the painter doesnt pull the trigger for 15 minutes.
Great. Now I have to step up my game making the panel for my lathe restoration. Ha. BTW, was the panel built by others and delivered to you? Or did you build it offsite from your own design? Thx.
All the control voltages are derived (single incoming voltage, control voltages generated within the panel) so sharing a common cabinet is legal (dont really have a choice) separating voltages in the conduit is a precaution so as not to introduce errors into the electronics, shielded belden cables also help keep the signal wiring clean.
Very nice elegant work Stan, you can tell professional installation Vs i have no clue what I'm doing here. I just hope none of the technicians have to troubleshoot this panel under power ( Arc Flash PPE). This panel should be bigger... This is one of my biggest pet peeves these days ...Elect Engineering and NEC allows OEM to install all these components and wires, in small footprint panel and they look awesome *especially job like yours* but few days later poor tech has to go inside to work on it *hot* and dress up his/her arc flash outfit ( this one looks like it could be CAT 3)... No way those guys can troubleshoot this panel in that tide space with their FR outfit .. they are set up to fail by the standards that supposed to protect them...Ironic... Anyways, thank you for your video and great workmanship 👍👍👍
Shadon How, I agree brother, we only can work what with they gave us and some days it's not much 😜. I wish they would at least consider some of our suggestions..
these videos are amazing! I was looking up tips on pipe bending and your videos popped up. I've been hooked ever since. It's extremely informative and really appreciate the way you take time to break down every aspect, and then show how you do it. Thank you!
You said someone asked about one large conduit instead of the several you have, if you put all of them in one conduit there is a derating factor that app;lies every time a wire is added the current carrying capability drops, and after awhile a #12 gauge wire would hardly be rated to carry any current at all. Been an electrician for years, (retired now) but I can tell you're a top notch electrician, keep up the good work, Love your videos, takes me back, especially the conduit bending. God Bless America
Danny if he dropped all the 3/4 pipes into a trough right above the panels and came out the bottom with some short 2 inch pieces. ( separate 3/4 pipes for low voltage only) Derating is not a factor. I'm pretty sure the pipe run has to be more then 2 feet before derating is an issue. Having all those pipes leaves you zero space to add future circuits. I work commerical and I almost ALWAYS put a trough above my panels. I have never failed an inspection.
You're a good teacher! You explain things well and do very impressive and clean work. Thank you for making these videos, it's definitely appreciated!
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Hello Stan, It would be interesting to see a time line of your career. How you got started, how you accessed career paths, how you initially formed the company etc. Maybe some of the young guys could get a better handle on goals and career steps for their future path. It is obvious you are meticulous with your work. Take care. Doug
I appreciated your comments about people who have to follow you and thinking about them. I see you label everything when the bundles are run. That attitude is just crazy enough to work. Thanks
We just do a quickie white tape/sharpie marking job when pulling wire, after everything is bundled and routed, we make nice labels and install after the final trim, I use the Brady making system and make label sets for both ends, if either end has labels left over, we forgot one or something is wrong.
Reminiscent of my telecom days. Organization and function were always present. Flush cuts were required, Labeling was intense too. Every cable was labeled at both ends. Goal was everything could be disconnected and re-terminated using nothing more than the existing labels. Depending on the job labeling could be 50% of the time spent. Very boring, and zero glamor, but the first time you had to troubleshoot or replace something you were hooked on the method. Enjoy your work. I really had no idea these kinds of systems were out there.
Thank you sir for the time im a electrician 29 years of experience and i appreciate your help and time local 3 electrician from NYC who works for the Mta ntc transit now for 2 and a half years now. 👍🏿💯
Considering the lack of raceway and the lack of spacing, you did an incredible job...
Excellent work Stan, keep up the industrial control series! We've had to track down a couple control issues caused by induced voltages and it is no fun. A neat cabinet makes general troubleshooting much easier as well.
This is the guy all apprentices and journeymen can learn from. Great patience excellent communication and knowledge.
As a plumber involved in boilers I dont know electricity too much as I wish. But u are a real artist worker... great... you got me impressed. Thanks for sharing
Great video Bet when the next guy comes along in the future to repair something it would be a breeze working on that panel. Very nice job you did a great job explaining the steps too.
Stan, good point about the time it takes to do a panel neatly and properly. I have worked on many residential jobs where the GC would rather me stuff wires wherever I can fit them than making things neat and clean. It helps for identifying different devices and also makes it clear to whoever might work on the panel in the future where everything is going.
Another good one, Stan. Seeing someone working to a high standard and producing a good tidy job without going mad on it is a pleasure. Thanks. Mart.
Beautiful work sir! My job is always easier when folks like you take the time to put together a rational, organized panel. ++ for spare wires - they are a life saver.
Just can across this video. It reminds me of the work my dad did wiring control panels for Commonwealth Edison back in the 1960's. That was before plastic wire ties. He used waxed cord to bundle the wires, with a clove hitch around the wires and half hitch to tie the ends of the cord together.
Good looking work. The next person into the panel to make changes or repairs will appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing. It brought back pleasant memories.
Fascinating!!! Amazing to watch a skilled tradesman doing his craft. I am a retired fire chief but thoroughly enjoy watching talented craftsmen apply their trade..
Thank you for taking the time to make this video.I learned a lot .
That is impressive. Next week I start up my apprenticeship leaving my 18yr CNC machinist field in the past, Electronics/industrial is something I find so challenging and awesome field to be in, so I made my move and decided to move forward with it before its too late! Thanks for this videos!
A very interesting and clean install Stan.
A panel box that looks that cleanly wired shows that the tech is organized and cares about their work.
Regards,
Duck
Thanks Stan, I learned what the guys at work are 'supposed' to be doing at the job sites. Thanks, again!
My rule of thumb: If it looks good it works good.
I hate those little pads, alcohol is good, but they always loosen up in south Texas. Just too hot for too long.
I also like to flush trim the tag ends of tie wraps. Keeps the next guy from getting cut when troubleshooting.
Putting the tie wraps on the same way every time makes for a clean install. It becomes second nature over time. I've found my customers like the clean look, and don't complain about my prices as much.
Excellent tutorial on the proper way to wire a control cabinet.
super nice and clean work. Very rewarding to watch and do. PS some of my logic about OCD looking panels is that along with it becoming second nature when you do it so much, you have to make a game out of the monotony to avoid blowing your head off when you have hundreds of circuits/terminations. Faster and prettier keep you sane.
Very neet and clean for a fast job. I wish more people were as organized as you are.
That is a beautiful panel. As an engineer that has gone behind some others a appreciate what you do. Also thanks for the extra wires.
Im a electrician from NYC and everything you said is spot on right.
Nice job tidy work its nice to see electricians take pride in their work.
As precise as you are with your day job, I can see why you would take up machining as a hobby. Nice work.
A wonderful well explained how -to video. Bravo, two thumbs up.
I enjoy your videos, you have a god clear voice - what you show is the work of a journeyman electrician - IBEW 595
Thank you for the video, Its very helpful for me to see these videos you're doing. I'm literally just starting industrial general maintenance. Every day goes by something new I get to see.
very nice, you use the KISS system so well.
Very good looking job Stan , My uncle was an electrician and I learned a lot . Thumbs up man ..
I always enjoyed wiring control system cabinets. I was always fussy wiring all the various cables to make it look clean and professional, and it made future troubleshooting and maintenance a simple task. I also developed a simple trick to protect the data cables from excessive interference and data loss. Back then the Ethernet cables used were the flat type ribbon-style cables and not the twisted pair cables used today. My technique dealing with the data cables was to wrap them with foil faced furnace tape and follow up with wrap of a quality electrical tape. At the time it may have seemed excessive, but it virtually eliminated electrical interference and data loss. The flat style Ethernet cables were notorious for cross-talk which causes data loss and errors. Back then the twisted pair Ethernet cables were not widely available and were much more expensive then the flat style cable.
Those flat type "Ethernet" cables have never been correct for Ethernet. The correct cable was also never that expensive--even in the 80s, the round telephone cords supplied by AT&T for their Merlin phone were twisted pair and worked fine with 10baseT ethernet. You also had the option of buying a roll of 4-pair telephone cable (1000 feet of which probably cost all of $30 back then) and RJ45 connectors and making your own twisted pair cables.
Awesome teacher....very knowledgeable..ty
Very good job and neat, the headlight is a must when you stick your hand in a dark live bucket, been there you would like to go home at the end of the day.
Thank you for your excellent videos!!!!! Learning a great deal for my future work. Thank you!!!
One job I had back in the 70's was making looms for large computer power supplies on a "nail board". All wires were terminated both ends, labeled, and tie wrapped at specific points to relieve strain for field installation. It's much easier to trace for fault service AND it keeps the loom out of the way of components. End result is something that LOOKS neat and pretty, because the function determines how to route wiring. Same thing here, it's not because of an "OCD" personality, it's b/c of the function. I'd much rather service a panel that looks this way than one done in a haphazard manner, or laid out to "look" pretty but took so much time that, as the man says, wastes time (and money).
Nice work Stan. Love a good wiring job!!
I love your videos, you get right to the point.
Stan, for ringing your wiring have a look at the Extech CT40 cable identifier it will allow you to trace up to 16 wires all on your own if you do not have a helper available.
Jason
Thank you. Give me good luck on my test tomorrow.
Frank
hi stan thanks for the very interesting video. keep up the great videos.
Thank you Stan for another great video!
Nice wiring job, Stan.
Nice looking cabinet Stan. Is it customer's call on using wire channel and ferrules or more of an issue with space and saving time/money? I know ferrules are nice to keep stray strands contained, especially when terminal is hard to get to or see.
I will match whatever the panel builder does, we get panels from all over the country, some really beautifully arranged and wired. The more space they give me, the easier it is to get (and keep) neat.
Beautiful work Stan !
Thank you for showing the way you wire up a panel.
Very well organized... thanks for sharing!
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great video. Where i work i deal with a rather large turret punch with a material storage tower and transfer system. Three different control boxes with multiple vfds and servo controllers. Yet whenever something goes wrong nothing in the boxes are labeled and is a hunt and peck method of diagnosis. is that am industry standard so the average operator can't fix minor problems and has to call in the pros?
Glad to see you using a tie wrap gun, can't tell you how many times I've been cut open because someone was too lazy to trim the tie wraps flush, those angle cut ends are like razor. Just a pet peeve of mine
Very nice work there Stan!
Nice Stan, good explanation, and execution.
Razor Works
You do great work. Very impressive
The VFD,s that I’ve installed requires the motor ground to be landed at the VFD then a jumper bonding the VFD to the ground bus. Other than that, I like a control cabinet that doesn’t fill the whole room just so they can run all the cables in the plastic wire way’s
Great videos, lots of good info.
Thanks
nice clean job. nothing better than wiring a PLC
Colossal burp at 8:14?? I was so on track and following until this!
I would prefer a slightly larger enclosure for that panel, if at all possible. I hope you have better luck with the peel and stick mounts. I find they don't stand up to heat and come loose.
Hey James, 3M peel and sticks work well, I keep little alcohol wipes in my cart. I would LOVE a larger panel, but those are the cards delt to me. :) nice to see you on the channel.
Shadon HKW the wipes are very important to get good adhesion, also can countersink in middle of pad.
I buy the ones without the pad and epoxy them on. Funny thing is they cost twice as much.
i use brake cleaner spray a rag and wipe 3m make some really sticky mounts , i am with james a bigger box makes trouble shooting much easier when it is on a machine that has a lot of shock or hard cycles where things tend to come loose even if you do every thing wright and to code
Same here, however it helps to rough up the powder coating with some fine emery cloth a little when sticking them to the panel.
sexy cabinet. nice work.
Thanks for the share.
Happy to see some industrial investments being made somewhere in Cali, I assume it's California. With all the BS regs and endless new environmental certifications added monthly I'm surprised *anyone* puts any money in this state.
My friend keep up the videos!!
What kind of adhesive sticky mounts you use? All the ones that I ever used aged badly, the adhesive breaks down in a couple of years and they fall off. High temperature ages them even quickly.
love all your videos..
Enjoyed the vid/demo/discussion
Good stuff, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I noticed you got a little fan in there. Guess it must get pretty hot in that cabinet with 480 running through there. BTW, is the 480 for the VFDs (Variable Frequency Drives)? I can't imagine the PLCs needing that.
glad your not yelling..lol .you seem like a laid back gjy.nice vid
oh..are you hiring??🤔
Subscribed and tapped the bell for notifications! Awesome!
Mr Shan, can these wires be externally bunched as Harness and then connected ??
What do you think about shielded vfd cable? I see you have BOY thhn as your motor leads from the vfds. So no shielded running to the motors.
Love your videos very helpful
There is something oddly satisfying with the way that was done 😜
Thank you. Would have been nice to see the wiring diagram explained also to fully understand the system !
Hey Stan, I've been in the electrical power business for 40 years. Nice to see a panel done right. Does your equipment supplier provide the panel, or do you use a separate UL listed shop to fab the panels? Nice work, and really good instructional video.
The equipment comes with its own panel, so we never know what we are going to get to work with, this one is an ETL panel shop.
Really good video mate
Mike bkk
Beautiful work. WOW!
"I'm not OCD." Hahaha! Well, maybe not compared to those OTHER OCD people... Excellent video.
Hi Stan Nice job just a few questions and comments are you using Siemens because of the graphical interface you hid behind the cardboard ? do you ever use slotted plastic cable trunking in panels and a comment now you need to start using cable in trays or trunking to connect everything like the rest of the world (opposed to wire in conduit) i know it is used in the US I have seen pictures of server farms built in large warehouses filled with 20` containers full of servers in 19" racks have a nice day
Surprised they didn't use wire duct in the control box. But I guess that would have required a bigger enclosure it looked pretty tight in there between DIN rails.
or good enough is good enough.
no brownie points for showing off.
EitriBrokkr mm Kay
Nicely done! 👍
Quick question, here in the UK we’d use panel trunking between accessories for the wire drops. Is this common in the US? Cheers
We call it wire gutter, some panel builders use it, some dont.
very clean install,good info to have on segregation, are those cat 6 cables also?
i'm an electrician in the netherlands, even here in europe wire colours and connection methods differ from country to country, but wow, this is so much different than the way we do it.
just a couple of questions out of curiosity:
no neutral on your 3 fase?
we use wire end crimp on connectors for flexible wireing, dont you use them in the us?
just one little remark: i think sticking the mounts to the vfd's is a bad idea, they get hot and the glue melts etc.
adriaan Neutrals are not mandatory for individual loads powered by single phase, or three phase. The Authority Having Jurisdiction(city/township), or engineer may specify one, but it will be an unused conductor in the raceway. The same rules apply for ground(earth) conductors. Ferrous raceways, like the conduit for these loads can be used as the ground, but the AHJ or engineer might specify a grounded conductor.
Crimp connections are typically found on low voltage connections. Higher voltage/current connections primarily use wire nuts and lugs. Waygo connectors are slowly gaining popularity, but the majority of electricians prefer the wire nuts. I don't know if you know how wire nuts work, but you twist your stripped conductors together clockwise, and then twist the nut clockwise over the top. A tapered spring inside of the nut expands while your twisting, and closes tight around the conductors when you let go. It's an old method, but has proven itself when done right.
Great video Stan!
brings back memories exactly what i did for a living
Hi Stan
Very neat and organized work! I think "workman like" is the correct complimentary phrase:-)
Question: I may be old school and always put a bit on antioxidation compound on wires of 120V and up. Is this still done these days by the pros?
thanks
vic
only aluminum SE wire and circuits, and i also put schmoo on 12VDC braided copper on vehicles where exposed to moisture/salt, otherwise, green death
PS wouldn't it be a lot easier to use a toner and tracer to ID the wires? That is what I use for voice/data/video/security and it is a life saver!
Why don't you use tracking for your wires between your switches? Cleaner, Faster?
nice job. now if future electricians would be so kind to keep it that way.......
What about your grounding wire to the VFD terminals next to the BOY wiring? Im gonna take a guess that they are grounded to the DIN rail and the panel is then grounded?
Yes, the factory was nice enough to do the grounding for me :)
That cabinet looks like it controls many things. How big is that booth? Does all the power for everything in the booth run thru that one cabinet?
Hey Brian, 4 fans, 2 heaters, 50 lights, 3 limit circuits, 4 mod motors, misc airflow, high limit switches .... oh, and a "sleep" mode if the painter doesnt pull the trigger for 15 minutes.
Where you from shodon?
for that cabinet what would you consider a GOB of time?
Great. Now I have to step up my game making the panel for my lathe restoration. Ha.
BTW, was the panel built by others and delivered to you? Or did you build it offsite from your own design? Thx.
Built by an OEM panel shop, I have no control of what shows up to the job site, good to see you Tom.
Hi there!, maybe I missed it...but why are there no cable trays in this cabinet? Is it a real etsate decision?
Im not the panel builder, I just have to work with what they send me.
Stan is it code to segregate wires in the pipe and cabinet?
All the control voltages are derived (single incoming voltage, control voltages generated within the panel) so sharing a common cabinet is legal (dont really have a choice) separating voltages in the conduit is a precaution so as not to introduce errors into the electronics, shielded belden cables also help keep the signal wiring clean.
OK thanks I have no electrical experience and of the mind set that if I need an faceplate changed call a electrician!
Nice job Stan, paint booth control panel?
Yes it was, 3 years back now, hard to believe.
Very nice elegant work Stan, you can tell professional installation Vs i have no clue what I'm doing here. I just hope none of the technicians have to troubleshoot this panel under power ( Arc Flash PPE). This panel should be bigger... This is one of my biggest pet peeves these days ...Elect Engineering and NEC allows OEM to install all these components and wires, in small footprint panel and they look awesome *especially job like yours* but few days later poor tech has to go inside to work on it *hot* and dress up his/her arc flash outfit ( this one looks like it could be CAT 3)... No way those guys can troubleshoot this panel in that tide space with their FR outfit .. they are set up to fail by the standards that supposed to protect them...Ironic... Anyways, thank you for your video and great workmanship 👍👍👍
I always like a roomy panel, but I have to work with what is sent to the job. Thanks for the view and comment.
Shadon How, I agree brother, we only can work what with they gave us and some days it's not much 😜. I wish they would at least consider some of our suggestions..
Is there really a shortage of electricians?
nope, just a shortage of good ones