What Does an Orange Wire Do in an Electrical Control Panel?
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Within the panel, we have a number or orange-colored wires. You may wonder what these are for, as we’ve already heard of the blue and white wires connected to the PLC.
Well, what these wires are for is to give power to devices when the main switch or panel isolator is in the OFF position.
“Why would we want to keep things on when we’ve turned the power off?” I hear you ask! “Isn’t that dangerous?” Well to put it simply, NO!
If we try to understand the different colored wires in a panel, this will help us to understand why those that are colored orange are suitable to work even when the main switch is off.
The colors of wires in panels are required by law to follow the machine safety standard EN60204-1. This is so that there is consistency and for safety.
In Power Circuits - AC and DC - we have the following color coding;
AC Phase will be BLACK
AC Neutral will be LIGHT BLUE
DC+ will be BLACK
Earth will be GREEN YELLOW
In Control Circuits - AC and DC - we have the following color coding;
AC live will be RED
AC Neutral via transformer will be RED
AC Neutral (mains) will be LIGHT BLUE
DC+ will be BLUE
Interlocks and circuits supplied from remote panels will be ORANGE - in this case, not the one we’re after!
Earth will be GREEN YELLOW
Panel services are 240VAC supplies for panel internal lighting, programming console socket outlet, internal heating & cooling, CPU's (memory backup purposes), etc.
These are 'excepted circuits' as defined in EN60204-1 and as such are not disconnected by the main panel isolator but by a separate isolator mounted inside the panel and designated 'maintained supply'.
The color coding for multicore cables;
Sheath will be ORANGE
AC live cores will be ORANGE
AC neutral cores will be ORANGE
Earth cores will be GREEN YELLOW
Color coding for single-core cables;
AC live will be ORANGE
AC neutral will be LIGHT BLUE
Earth will be GREEN YELLOW
So we come back to the original question…what wires in our panel are orange?
Well, firstly we have the panel internal light. We want to be able to see when we turn the main switch off!
Next, we have the socket. This will allow us to keep our laptop charged up. If the panel needs to be turned off for an extended period of time, then when we are ready to go, our laptop may have died. Not good! The socket is protected by a fuse so that any spikes in power won’t damage our laptop!
The final thing we have in this panel with power is a topic we’ve already covered; the thermostat and cooling fan!
As we’ve already determined, we need to be able to keep the panel cool, even when the main switch is off.
So how does this all work? Well inside the panel, we have the mains feed 3 phase power that comes into the panel to a set of terminals labeled L1, L2, L3, and N.
You can see from this that 1 phase - L1/N -has orange wires in. It is separate from the other wires in this terminal block so that they act independently.
On the back of the main switch on the left-hand door, the wires are identified as L1, L2, L3, and N, matching what we have on the terminals.
The outgoing side of this main switch will be isolated if the switch is off, and will be powered if the switch is on. The main switch is connected to the contactor labeled “150K1”.
When the switch is on, giving power to the panel, this contactor will be “pulled in” or “energized”. Once this is energized, power can be distributed around the rest of the panel.
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This video references Machine Safety Standard EN 60204-1, which is a European Standard. There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
In the US, NFPA (NEC) and UL508A are the corresponding standards. In those standards, using orange and white/orange is in both the NFPA 79 and UL 508A for components that remain energized when panel power is disconnected, regardless of potential.
FYI, for anyone looking from the US, this is not a standard for controls in the US.
Thanks I'm in the US and I just started a new job building panels and we have different colors
m wilson thanks, I’ve been designing, building and troubleshooting industrial control systems in the US and have never seen this standard. They had my heart racing for a minute.
Yes I was going to ask that. Just doesn't seem right based on USA electrical color codes. Also black is both AC hot and DC+? Isn't that a disaster waiting to happen?
Plus, to meet arc flash requirement, the outlet and programming port(s) must be accessible without opening the cabinet's door(s). Graceport and Automation Direct offer the components necessary to meet this requirement.
In the Automotive world for years it is:
Black: 480v high voltage, motor power
Red: 120v control power
Blue: Low voltage DC power and control (24VDC)
Yellow: Interlock power from a separate panel source.
Green: Ground
As an industrial electrician who works on these panels all over the world.
There is no such thing as a standard - even in Europe!
For context my last company wired everything in orange
I have never seen two panels the same- not even close.
"Standard" is of it's country of origin . As I have worked on many foreign Control Cabinets, many from Germany, I must add decals to inform other's of the Changes in Wiring because the unit is of another origin and Color Identification is not STANDARD to the USA and must follow the manufactures identification.
This is correct. Seen engineers pick their favorite colors. What code?
Your videos are awesome, the only caution I would mention in regards to this one is that many facilities have different standards for wiring. I work in a pulp mill that is 60 years old. The mill upgraded various systems and there is still PLC 5 in over half the mill. In Canada we have to follow the Canadian Electrical Code and work within that code to create a mill standard as well.
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A lot are. I had to reroute several wires in a cabinet that were run in front of the strip. When I threw the main power, I found the wires I was working with were live. It was only 24V so I black taped the tips and ran them through. Also, several contacts and other electrical/electronic, almost half the panel, were still live. I asked around and no one knew. Thanks RealPars.
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Don't believe this is how every cabinet is wired. Always read the elementary drawings.
But usually it should be like it , SHOULD BE ,any way think that every wire is energized even u had cut the energy off ,just think like that
Exactly Justin, Just because this panel is wired like this does not mean every other one is. Very misleading video description
@@practicasindustriales4168 it's your type of mentallity that cripples the industry. Turning small risks into catstrophic nightmares which creates thousands of laws and rules to detain work.
Double, tripple, quadrupple check everything and then you don't need to brainwash yourself that "everything is on".
A powerwand and repeated checking have saved me from danger more than your idea.
I never used orange for internal lights, so this vid is a load of BS, the person who orders als can say what kind of colors he wants, usualy it is up to us who makes it but in 30+ years I NEVER used orange for internal lights
Never seen one with that colour scheme here in Finland, everything is usually wired with black conductors. :)
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On all the machines I have worked on when the main panel switch is turned off the panel no longer has power period . To best of my memory I don't recall any using a for lack of a better term remote disconnect like the one shown . They all had a handle on the outside of the door that had a metal rod to engage the main disconnect when the door is closed . To open the door while the panel is energized you had to override( with a small pin ) that to release the metal rod from the disconnect .
This week after designing a plan to transport 480 volts single phase from a step up transformer located on the roof floor down to the first floor ceiling (also moving those fixtures down there) I deleted a vertical home run because: 1) I t was on the same concrete column and 2) had only one 120 volt receptacle circuit in it and 3) that device was black soot stained and four) both columns on both sides of it had operational receptacles present! The first floor was energized by two 90 year old gutter box conduits located on both sides of the concrete centerline stringer. I decided to run an orange AWG 12 for the hot lead with a purple AWG 12 conductor for neutral making it easy in the future to recognize my work because no insulation of these colors existed many decades ago! Being that the vertical conduit is 1/2" EMT and near the middle of the long building I divided it into two separate homerun circuits.
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Wire numbering and tagging and matching wiring diagrams and schematics are most useful and should have a copy inside every cabinet in my opinion. But being able tor recognize the components inside the cabinet and understanding typical power flow and distribution in these control cabinets an experienced well trained technician or automation engineer will be able to identify most components and wire functions regardless of color... Also, use a a good voltmeter and non-contact voltage detector can be very useful in verifying voltage and function of wires in a cabinet also. Good wire and terminal tagging and consistent naming conventions really helps alot and should not be understated in helping workers identify wire functions and conventions being used. Effective Tagging can help a person quickly identify function and voltage type.
Thank you for the excellent comments on control panel design and maintenance. These are all good points. My #1 rule for panel design and maintenance, after safety, is complete and accurate drawings and documentation.
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It's interesting how differently various manufacturers and countries use wire colors, wire numbers and set up wiring schematics. Mobile equipment can be quite different from stationary equipment. It can be quite difficult working on equipment constructed in various countries and keeping the differences in mind. In the US, we change the wire number when it connects through a device when other systems will use the same number on a wire in a circuit no matter how many devices it goes through. It's only possible to tell what part of the circuit it's in by checking terminal numbers at each end.
Yes, there are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
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I am an industrial automation engineer and I don’t think I have ever seen this standard followed by any integrator. I wouldn’t trust it, always use a diagram if you have one, or check it out yourself.
Correct
As with any electrical device, disconnect, test, and verify.
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i AGREE, WITH THE ENGINEER WHO SAID HE NEVER SEEN THIS COLOR CODING STANDARD FOLLOWED ANYWHERE... IT CHANGES FROM JOB TO JOB... (USA) HOWEVER, I HAVE SEEN TYPICALLY BLACK IS AC L1 (HOT) AND WHITE IS TYPICALLY AC NEUTRAL AND GREEN OR GREEN YELLOW IS USUALLY GROUND OR BONDING CONDUCTOR... CLEAR INSULATION USUALLY USED FOR SHIELDING. BLACK AND WHITE ARE MOST COMMON FOR 24V DC POWERED CONTROL LOOPS FOR INSTRUMENTATION AND CONTROLS. TWISTED SHIELDED PAIRS ARE USUALLY OUTER SHEATH IS BLACK AND INNER FOIL LINKING MOST COMMONLY SEEN ARE LIGHT BLUE, GOLD AND SILVER FROM MY EXPERIENCE. ORANGE ON AC PER NEC CODE IS USUALLY INDICATING THE AC 3PHASE DELTA HIGH LEG OR (STINGER) WHICH IS USUALLY HIGHER VOLTAGE IN REFERENCE TO THE NEUTRAL GROUNDED CONDUCTOR ON A DELTA 3PHASE SYSTEM, HAS TO BE DISTINGUISED FROM THE OTHER PHASES WHICH ARE ONLY 120VOLT USUALLY TO NEUTRAL. MISWIRING THE ORANGE TAPED OR ORANGE PHASE CONDUCTOR OR NOT USING ORANGE CAN CAUSE DAMAGE TO ALOT OF 120VOLT EQUIPMENT. I HAVE SEEN ORANGE USED ALOT FOR DATA CABLES AND FIBER OPTIC PATCH CABLES... RED HAS BEEN SEEN FOR EITHER L1 AC OR 24VDC POSITIVE CONDUCTOR FOR DIGITAL INPUTS AND OUTPUT FIELD WIRING, ON PLC CABINETS, USUALLY BLACK AND WHITE FOR AC HOT AND NEUTRAL ENTERING CABINET AND LOCAL CABINET MOUNTED BREAKER, BUT AFTER BREAKER, CAN BE BLACK AND WHITE OR EVEN RED AND WHITE OR RED AND BLACK. AND BLUE IS OFTEN USED FOR THE DC POSITIVE INSIDE THE CABINETS. BUT FIELD WIRES FOR DISCRETE CONTROL LOOPS can be black and white or in multiconductor cables a whole array of colors.
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This wiring method must be company specific or country specific. Any cabinet that has power that cant be shut off has to have labeling on the outside telling anyone that shutting off the disconnect will not kill all power in that cabinet.
Finn NA are you sure the labling have to be outside or Can it be inside the panel around the supply disconnector?
Correct, if there is an electrical feed to a panel that cannot be disconnect at the panel, an exterior label should be provided indicating where the remote circuit is and where it can be shut off. Both NEC and IEC have guidance on how this information should be displayed.
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Do you have a link to that IEC guide for labling?
Cabinet and electrical panel are restricted, only technicians and authorized personal.
@@Tavle IEC 61439
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Thanks for the good information, although I am a bit puzzled by this choice of colors as Black is used for both power AC phase and power DC+ and in Control both AC phase and Neutral are Red. making it "Not Very easy to tell one from the other". In my old ANSI color coding post WW2 I can easily tell AC from DC and Phase 1, 2, and 3 in three phase system. What do we gain in the new color coding? Thanks for any comment you might have to help.Best regards,
There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
Thank you so much. share very helpful
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The wires going in and coming out of the main switch have the same name (L1, L2, L3). This is a major error as you may touch the wrong wires elsewhere in the panel after you THINK you disconnected them from the mains. Da's kei-gevaarlijk man!!
The main power feeds into a panel are called L1, L2, L3 and should be called this wherever they are distributed within the panel. That way, we know that there potentially is line voltage at the point in the panel. Often, we do add a prefix at a power distribution block to identify at the block where the power is being used, such as M101-L1, M101-L2, etc. Once the power feed lands at a device that can cut off or modify the line voltage, such as a transformer, VFD, or contactor, we change the label. For a contractor the wires coming in are L1, L2, L3 and the ones going to the motor are T1, T2, T3. Panels should be designed so that when the Mains switch is de-energized, all power inside the cabinet is also removed. In cases where it is not, labeling and other means should be employed to indicate live voltages may exist inside the panel even if the Mains is disconnected. Before working on any panel circuit, verify, verify, verify!
@@realpars the guy is correct you should have different identification cable markers on the other side of the isolator, it's a device that can be open or closed just the same as a contactor or relay you even just said so yourself ,contradicted yourself , can't even get the basics right it would be great fun on a break down on you control gear
Just before watching the video, I want to give my guess very quick. I think orange wire is used for ESD, while purple one is designated for F&G system. Now it is time to find out what it really means)
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Every cabinet from different manufactures I've come across use their own coloring code. In the cabinets I design I use orange wires for externally powered control circuits.
First time I heard about orange wires
Thanks realpars
And you'l likely only ever see them in their panel. Seen my share of them and never came across that.
@@user-sp6lj2vk2e Or any other panel designed using the NFPA 79 standard, since that's where this comes from.
i studdied this color code bfore at university & forgot abt,tnx for rmindin & clearifyin
You'll forget it again when you start working because in reality they use whatever color is handy to get along. I was taught to not even trust the diagram, if there's any chance the wire has a dangerous voltage, test it yourself before working period
Doesn’t look like spelling was a big requirement at uni does it?
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I have worked in control panels of CNC machines made from all around the world for over 40 years. This is just one variant of what I have seen. it is very common to have AC in a panel live with the main disconnect in the off position to provide lighting and programming power. Usually black wires are reserved for AC power. And most often you do see white for neutrals or black with a tracer. I think this often depends on where this machine is manufactured.
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I think you must working at North America, because NFPA 79 defines neutral conductors may colored white 😁
Yes, very intense!
I almost died watching this video, it should be marked 18+ only
@realpars Maybe a clip on explaining/comparing UL and CE certification
I am a Control panel shop supervisor in USA the code is different , Red= 120AC Live , White = 120AC Neutral , Blue = 24VDC , 0VDC White with blue if PSU grounded and Blue with white if not grounded , Orange = 120VAC before disconnect , White with Orange = 120AC Neutral before disconnect , Blue with Orange = 24VDC before disconnect , Black=480VAC , Black with Orang=480VAC before disconnect , Green/Green with Yalow = Ground , Yalow = safety relay circuit .
Thanks for adding that, Sinan! Very helpful for engineers in the US.
While your color code may be different, using orange and white/orange is in both the NFPA 79 and UL 508A as being for components that remain energized when panel power is disconnected, regardless of potential.
Must be "EU" color codes
I was about to say.
doug m Nope. Not sure where they get half their info from
The machine safety standard EN60294-1
EN being a European standard
BS being a British standard
ISO being an international standard
And I believe UL is the USA standard (underwriters Laboratories)
@@Anthony-bu5ur it is though
Worked on a old 1970s built control panel this morning which had white wire only and only method of ident was the numbering at each end of the wire. Doubt it will ever get rewired - no interest or budget to do so.
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thanks a lot, good work, question please, why you didn't give the power to the panel through the main switch directly, why you used contactor in the way ?
At 5:52 in the video, the main switch is shown. What is not shown is the main power feed connected to the main switch. Some designers prefer to use a contactor with overloads instead of fused main disconnect blocks for space and maintenance purposes. What I don't see is an external lock out on the main switch, but I am sure it has one, or there will be a nearby disconnect/lockout.
@@realpars thanks for the reply, but what is responsible for short circuit protection? I think the motor circuit breaker gv2 is responsible for the overload and short circuit protection
yeah thats weird, main switch should kill the incoming power directly, not via contactor
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Hey RealPars, in this example why do you need the contactor? The entire 3-phase is switched on/off with the external disconnect. Is there any other incoming power supply you are controlling with the contactor?
To be honest, we could have left the contactor out of the design. The contactor allows the distribution of power to multiple subcircuits. The contactor as shown also has advanced protection features that a simple disconnect switch does not have (internal overloads, for example).
@@realpars Thank you! And the contactor does not need circuit breaker protection, right? In the video I don't think it is not installed downstream of a branch circuit C.B.
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Thank you for this explanation But if you devote an episode on how to read the control diagram
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In the USA never heard of an orange wire specifying anything but the B O Y color coding of 480 volt 3 phase. B O Y = blue orange yellow. A yellow wire was also for a wire that was still energized when disconnect switch is off. Was a sparky at a large newspaper. Was told to find out where the 120 volt yellow wire that went thru 14 press units feed from. Turned off over 500 circuit breakers and a lot of 480 volt breakers over several hours but never located feed. Prayed that fuse or breaker that supplied it never blow or tripped on my shift.
Hi Izzy,
Thanks for your comment!
You are right, we have added the following disclaimer to this video:
This video references Machine Safety Standard EN 60204-1, which is a European Standard. There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
In the US, NFPA (NEC) and UL508A are the corresponding standards. In those standards, using orange and white/orange is in both the NFPA 79 and UL 508A for components that remain energized when panel power is disconnected, regardless of potential.
Thanks for sharing and clarifying that as well!
Not a standard in the US. Orange is used for 24 VAC . But has been used to signify voltage from a source outside the panel not controlled by the main disconnect on the panel. Yellow is more common for this purpose . And a purple wire used as a jumper wire in a circuit that may be used as a place holder for future input devices.
Richard, thank you for your comment. There are a number of wiring "standards? so whenever inspecting a pane\l, it is best to refer to the lead sheets of the panel drawings to understand how the wiring colors are used.
5:50 why would you use a contactor, if the switch is three-phase 5:30 ? Normally, you would either have a three-phase switch feeding the whole load, or a single-phase switch switching a 230v (in this case it would be L2+N if L1+N is used by the maintained supply, and L3+N if L1+N and L2+N is used by some loads - to keep the phases as balanced as possible) that goes to a three-phase isolation-certified contactor with 230v coil.
A contactor can -provide extra protections that the switch cannot, such as thermal and overload protection. The switch provides an external means to de-energize the circuit while the contactor provides a more robust way to provide circuit protection in the cabinet. Other factors would include local code requirements and company engineering standards, both of which are not known to the viewer of the video.
What is the correct color for 0VDC?
In the scheme of this video, ground/earth/24VDC Common would be Yellow/Green.
pls make a video on Ground protection system of Local Control Panel
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Include videos on relay connection and selection for plc
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in cabinets of machines that I worked with orange was 230VAC but w/o voltage when power was cut off. Each cabinet should have it OWN elec. diagram
What do you mean by a neutral wire where Europe ha a 220 volt single phase system and a 380 V 3 phase system. A thee phase Delta system would = 1/2 of 380= 190V and a 380v Y four wire=219V. Is theat what you're referring as the neutral?
The phase to earth/neutral of a 380V 3ph system is 380/sqrt(3) = 220V. The neutral (4th wire) would go back to the start point somewhere upstream.
@@joncurtis199 What you mean that the system (380v) is a 4 wire Y grounded system. That's the only way to get 220 volts from the utility side of the equation.
Robert Ulrich
Grounding in Europe is different from US. We have TT, TN and IT-net (search for it)
Normal voltage is 3x400/230VAC for TT and TN-net and it consist of 5 or 4 wires(IT are most for marine and off-shore normal without N). L1, L2, L3(phases) N(grounding point in the HV/LV transformer on the LV side star point) PE (Ground) or PEN (combined PE and N)
3x400: L1-L2=400V, L1-L3=400V, L3-L2=400V
3x230V: L1-N=230V, L2-N=230V, L3-N=230V
You will use a neutral in a 3-phase system only when you intend to use each phase separately for loads, like in a Y-grounded system (see Robert Ulrich's comment below). The neutral (4th wire) prevents one phase from "feeding over" to another phase.
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I'm confused! @3:45 in t he diagram shown, it states that single cores should be wired in Blue for AC Neutral but the neutral to your fan is wired in ORANGE single core ...doesn't this contradict what it shows in the diagram?
Thank you for your question, it's a great one! Depending on where you are, electrical standards can vary, so it's essential to follow your local safety codes. Typically, the ORANGE wire is considered foreign wiring in many places. It might carry power from an external or internal source unrelated to the main power switch, so it's crucial to handle it with extreme caution. Even when you switch off the main power, these wires might still carry electricity. Most industrialized countries recognize this standard.
The other wire cores you mentioned are controlled by the main on/off switch. We design it this way to ensure that certain devices like fans remain operational even when the main power is off. These ORANGE wires usually have their breaker switch separate from the main one.
I hope this explanation clarifies things for you! Happy learning, and if you have more questions, feel free to ask!
Yellow usually indicates outside wiring from
Another disconnect source
If in America I’d assume Orange means high leg or hot ???
Hi Karl,
You are right, this video references Machine Safety Standard EN 60204-1, which is a European Standard. There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
In the US, NFPA (NEC) and UL508A are the corresponding standards. In those standards, using orange and white/orange is in both the NFPA 79 and UL 508A for components that remain energized when panel power is disconnected, regardless of potential.
Thanks for mentioning that!
Nice video
Thank you!
Is it correct to mark supply terminals L1,L2,L3,N acc. To EN 60204-1?
Yes, but EN 60204-1 references the designations of supply terminals (L1, L2, L3, N, PE) in EN 60445.
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EN 60445 Annex A say that conductors are named L1,L2... But terminals are named U, V, W, N
@@Tavle UVW are motor/transformer terminals in practise
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And the supply terminals for a machine acc. To EN 60204-1 and if there is more the one supply they are called U1, V1, W1,N1, U2, V2.....
Never opened a control cabinet to find a blue wire used as a neutral. Exactly why would you use orange for both your hit feed and neutral at anytime? Seems to me a good way to mess things up. Once had a co worker rewire a control panel with all red wire only thing he had in his truck. Didn't even use wire markers for identification. Took 2 guys 2 days two days to correct.
There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
As stated elsewhere in the comments, these wire colors are not standard in USA or EU. So in which country(ies) are these colors used?
These colors follow IEC EN 60402-1, as stated in the video. This is the Machine Safety Standard for the EU.
The orange color for power coming from a different source is in NFPA 79 and UL 508A.
Unfortunately this is not the color coding for panels built in the US/according to NFPA79. Useful for control cabinets brought in from elsewhere though (I just installed a few)
keep in mind nfpa79 is not law. but yeah none of the stuff in the video is US
@@fischb22 sure, but UL standard does share many similarities and even makes direct calls to NFPA documents, including following NFPA79
Yes it is EN(glish) standard for European Union; not for USA :p
What are you talking about? This is specifically from the NFPA 79, 13.2.4.1 unless they've updated it and took that out since 2007.
in europe is brown for load and blue for neutral.
erdingtown Germany: Brown, grey, black for the phases L1 to L3, blue MUST be N, green yellow MUST be PE. For me, yellow or orange could be foreign potential. Red can be anything.
@@AndreasDelleske same standards in France.
@@philippesoares1745 Same in every EU Country really, because thats what Norms are for... Switzerland also has the same ones...
Same in the UK. Brown Black Grey for 3-phase is a standard. Never seen 3x black
@@erlwindegans3954 I Often do 3ph as black, the current one for Australia is all black
This is European code not American standard
oh really? What tipped you off?
@@kubeek For starters the european (CEE 7/4?) power receptacle :-)
Just trying to inform all the inexperienced that may watch this video. Don't be a smart ...
@@normanlevasseur6565 I dont know what inexperieneced people watch this video, but when he clearly says at 1:55 that it is according to European Norm 60204-1, are you really suprisied that he is not talking about united states of america specific norms?
@@kubeek no need to be so smug
I always look at the first pages of the schematics. Normally the color coding is explained somewhere there. Safer than trust whatever EN- or ISO-
Let's face it. If you don't open the mcc feeding the panel, you're gonna have live voltages somewhere in there.
In the US, so many things are different from what in the panel here. We'd probably be feeding Delta instead of Star/Wye. Neutrals would be grounded at the control transformer and colored white. Blue is only DC+ and DC- is blue with white or just white or even just more blue.
Thank you for your comment. There are quite a few differences how panels are constructed around the world, and it is always important to understand the codes and standards for those areas. In the US, we receive many panels from Europe with machines built in Germany or Italy. While the wire colors may be different and the types of devices may not be what we are used to, the accompanying drawings, BOM's and installation manuals allow us to install and startup these panels safely. We may add lock-out points, arc flash stickers, and other items to adhere to local codes and standards.
Not all panels are feed from MCCs.
Not all panels are free from an mcc, sure. If you can point that out, you know enough to understand what my point was. Turn off the power upstream of the panel. It's a RUclips comment, so not always well researched and proof read.
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5:24 Why is the color of the input wires of the main switch not orange?
The wires to and from the door switch are connected to a contactor which is used to disconnect the incoming power. Generally, the main feed to the panel will use orange wires so that it is very clear that this circuit is the incoming power feed. Subcircuits are typically color-coded based on type of voltage (AC or DC).
Even then the colour code is not universal.
We would tend to use brown for L1 Black for L2 grey for L3 Blue for N Gn/Ye for earths
Red for DC+ (annoyingly DC- is often Black same as L2! I)
The use of brown-black-gray for phases, and blue for neutral (and green/yellow for ground) is the standard for common mains wiring. Is it the standard in control panels?
@@MottyGlix brown black grey or all black is what I've been using since thay introduced brown black grey and I've never seen a three core +earth in orange for 415 v ...maybe orange used for high voltage
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I'm curious as to what country this is standard cause whoever built our plant didn't follow this in the US
EU not US
I believe this panel was built in the EU according to IEC standards.
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I dont know where you came up with that color coding. Because it isnt like that in the US..
You're correct, Clem's! We have the following RealPars comment pinned under this video where we clarify the US-EU color coding difference:
"This video references Machine Safety Standard EN 60204-1, which is a European Standard. There are many wiring color schemes in use around the world. The video shows one implementation (EN 60445). Whenever designing or troubleshooting inside a panel, it is imperative to review the documentation, including wiring diagrams, to identify the various circuits in the panel.
In the US, NFPA (NEC) and UL508A are the corresponding standards. In those standards, using orange and white/orange is in both the NFPA 79 and UL 508A for components that remain energized when panel power is disconnected, regardless of potential."
Due to the laws that require special clothing and have specially trained personnel work inside a live panel, most of our customers require all outside voltages over 24 VDC terminate in a separate panel from the controls. This simplifies things when electricians need to enter the cabinet to do their work. Especially when the electrician is from an outside vendor.
Where does the orange wires get a feed when the main supply is turned off
Ryarios are you from UK?
Dan Jensen no, the US.
Stephen Griffin it’s called "foreign voltages". It can come from lots of sources including devices sending or receiving signals to/from the panel in question. It also may just be the power that feeds the panel.
So, average electrician can't work in live panel in US? little trust you have in your staff :p
It depends on which country you are in.
Good as always
But in buying a LOT of machines From EU county's from large builders with extensive saftey systems the orange is something not commonly done
I believe it is because when the mains is locked out users want the panel in a zero voltage state
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge with us, Tom!
Company that i work with use orange for UPS or generator.
Depends on the panel, NEVER trust convention!
Simply put, the brown wire is live even if the main switch is off , is that it ?
According to 3:47 the neutral should be blue but in 4:00 I see that orange is also implemented as neutral !
I see two different neutral schemes as explained at 3:47; Orange and blue. At 5:12, we see orange being used for a 1-phase circuit (light in the panel) for both H and N. At 5:30, we see blue as being used for neural in the 3-phase circuit. I do not see brown wires at 4:00. Perhaps the orange wires appear brown on your computer.
@@realpars I am sorry I meant Orange , at 4:00 orange wire for neutral
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If ac live and neutral are orange, how do i know which is which?
On french 230 Check between earth and live = 230 n'eut earth = 0v and if both you've got two phases 400v
There should be voltage (115 VAC, 230VAC) between the hot wire and ground. There should be zero volts between neutral and ground.
Yes thats like its everywhere, but in germany we have briwn black and grey so you know which wire is the phase without testing and that you dont accidentally short live and neutral together
@@realpars Dan denk ik dat je eens een nieuwe voltmeter moet kopen ! (morgen even de test doen, ipv draadjes volgens plan trekken in een kastje.)
Tussen Fase en aarde is het altijd 230 Volt (in een 3x400 VAC-systeem), of je moet in een 3x220 VAC-systeem zitten, dat al heel oud is...
Dit komt doordat de neutrale geleider aan de hoogspanningstrafo aan de aarde hangt (middenpunt van de 3 fasen).
en bij een 3x220 VAC-Systeem is er geen middenpunt voor de neutrtale geleider.
(of is het in Nederland dan toch weer heel anders dan in de rest van europa ?)
Understood by using Google translation. For me what you discribe is what i have but i hear thé new places have but Single phase.
If the main switch is then turned off, how and where does the "orange wire" get power?
orange wire not connect to breaker or contactor
As indicated, but not fully explained in the video, the distribution block with the orange wires has a power source separate form the circuit controlled by the main switch.
In which country do you operate?
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@@realpars Nice! The same here in Germany. Keep up the good work ! 👍
NEMA is usually yellow. IEC is orange
That is correct for interlock wiring. It is always best to consult the panel drawings to determine the standard used for that panel. I have seen panels designed in the EU, built in Canada, and shipped to Japan. So what standard did the panel use? Well, you could pick one of three standards from what I told you above, like CSA or IEC, but you would be wrong. It was built to NEC standards. because the company in Japan was a US company and NEC was their international standard at all of their sites for panel construction.
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