I'm shooting Canon, Panasonic and BMPCC. The R7 is not a match for the GH6. The GH6 is a B-cam to the Canon R5C !! That's how high up you need to get up in Canon cameras to have the same tools as what the GH6 has !! The GH6 is also the first camera that does pixel shift stills HANDHELD !! 100 mpix !! No, the GH6 is not for everyone. It's not a beginner camera either. But that's the reason, the GH5-II still is a valid option. And it's at the price point below the R7 and FX30. On the shelf here: GH4 - multiple, GH5, BGH-1, GH5-II, GH6, Canon 5D Mk3, EOS R, R5C, R6 Mk II, R7, BMPCC 4k, BMPCC 6k and an original DJI Osmo Pro, which also is MFT. Which ones do I use the most ?? R5C and GH6.
Wrong. PROs use whatever helps them tell the story. As a 100% manual focus guy, I would honestly love to have the ability to switch to AF when I’m on a gimbal, especially when is as good as Sony AF. That thing is really impressive.
This camera is great. I ahd the gh5 for 2 years and worked a ton with it. The mft system is very good for travel and light weight setup. Filmed my fav. Vacation with it
Dude I got gh6 recently half price .tried AF and it works great!!! Put it on human tracked every kid moving playing ball perfect. 4 kids at once all moving fast unpredictable and never missed. No it ain't Sony but it works most of the time...and it's BS pros don't use AF. I read over and over the AF is trash. That's not my experience.
compared to my ol trusty gh5, my experience with the 6 AF is, so far, not bad at all. it does in enough light detect humans and faces and tracks. faster processor, so DFD AF about as capable as it can get. funny had the pulsing on the gh5 in scenarios you describe, but so far none on the gh6. Listen. i'm happy. got a video beast for a low price, it ain't perfect but what camera is? gh6 color probably the best of all Lumix cameras. so go spend 2 grand for a g9II which as good as it is has some cripple features. Happy Holidays@@lyndonlabayan
Feeling in the hand, the GH6 is fantastic. I bought one at launch and it FELT great to shoot with but comparing the footage against the BMPCC4K, GH5S and GH5II there wasn’t much of an increase in IQ. Limitations of the sensor size. Ultimately, I switched to Sony and have NEVER regretted it. I miss the cinema features but at least now I have incredible low light performance an an in focus image. Now I shoot an equal amount of photo and video work and couldn’t be happier with my A7IV and A7SIII combo
Thanks and I guess I've taken overall feel for granted so thanks for reminding me! I'm glad to hear things are great with your setup! Tbh I agree with the A7SIII and A7IV over the FXs. I also like taking dumb pictures of my dogs/family and I really need a hybrid to not lose out on that experience. I truly am jealous of that low light hahaha. Cheers and HNY!
For my two primary cameras, I have the GH6 with the PannyLeica 25-50, and an S5 on a gimbal with the 16-35. That 25-50 produces a stunning image, way better than any of the L Mount lenses IMO. That's my reason for staying with the GH6!
I agree, the 25-50mm is the best M43 lens, contrast, colors, everything is crazy good about this lens. But the 24-70mm S Pro is fantastic as well, micro-contrast is better than any of the other L mount lenses I tried, even better than the 50mm S Pro (which is fantastic for it's bokeh and rendering).
Also just got the 25-50 for GH6 for video. took a few test photos of someone and was blown away by the color and image. I tried adjusting the color but no need for that. The colors are great straight out of the camera. Great portrait lens and I'll try to use it most of the time even though it doesn't seem to be popular like the 10-25mm. Which lest would you guys recommend with this 25-50? I have the 8-18mm and the 12-35mm and used the 8-18 for gimbal live events due to lack of focus control with gimbal but it seems the new gimbals are more flexible and the GH6 doesn't really need one. Other than the gimbal events, I don't like using the wide lenses
Succinct. I use a GH4 on my channel. I'm planning to upgrade my camera. Not sure if a GH6 or G9 would be the way to go. I do short films, weddings, documentaries and some photography. Having owned both, would you say one should upgrade to a G9 or a GH6?
Sorry for the late reply but I think if you have the funds or can make i back... the GH6. The G9's real win is the fact that it's so cheap. Price to performance, the G9... but the GH6 if you can.
Well, with Panasonic moving into PDAF for all future cameras from S5M2 onwards, I think we should expect a revamped GH6M2 in the not to distant future. I can't see the GH6 being continued for for 5 years like that GH5 was.
I use the GH5 for most projects but have a GH5s for anything indoors and low light. You're 100% correct that the GH5 (and of course 6) is just too bad in low light conditions (especially if you shoot log). People forget too that Panasonic have a great relationship with Leica and have released some native and affordable lenses. I'm slowly collecting the Leica Panasonic prime lenses. The 42.5 is probably the best I've used on the system. It's so painterly and is super fast at 1.4 to help with low light. You might want to also check out the Voightlanders if you need fast native lenses. As far as auto focus, I guess you just keep having to practice and master it. I personally would love good auto focus. Just having a technology handle something so vital to small productions is so helpful!
Thanks for sharing! It's true, primes would help but I ended up selling my primes as I ended up never using them... I was too nervous to swap out at weddings in case I needed another focal length. Mental block and totally a personal problem haha. We'll see what happens next week .. again, hopefully it doesn't push the bottom floor price point too high. HNY!
Hi Lyndon, from Northern California. Thanks for the video. Always appreciate your honesty, and your wedding videography is excellent. I do take exception with you calling yourself a "hobbyist" wedding film maker, though. Obviously, you are a (part-time) professional wedding videographer. Anyway, wishing you a wonderul 2023 and looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the S5 II and S5 X once they announce it.
Thanks for the positivity! You're right, it's hard for me to qualify myself as a professional.. toxic trait stuff for sure haha. I appreciate it and yes I can't wait for the official announcements. The leaked stuff already sounds great!
Hey Lyndon. Which camera in the Panasonic Gh series do you recommend for recording Jiujitsu grappling. I understand the critical function of shutter angle, but the autofocus is my concern.
From all you have stated in this video goes to show that you can recommend it. Autofocus isn’t great but also that’s not all you need on a camera. I never use autofocus ever. Perhaps when I switch to a Sony or Canon I will but I’m perfectly fine using manual focus and that way I never miss.
Got the gh6 as my first big upgrade from an a6300 and a part of me has always regretted it after seeing the other options get released not long after like the fx30. (Didn’t help that the gh6 new price dropped 600 bucks to compete after I paid full price, siiighh) On top of that, the constant “m4/3 can never achieve that full frame look” on RUclips mentality just hurts extra. Agree with all you’ve said here about the downsides. However, I also have to swallow the fact that the lacking of autofocus and so so lowlight is NOT the thing that has been holding me back in my pursuits, it’s ME. I genuinely love the footage off the camera most of the time and recognize I still have barely scratched the surface of the gh6’s capabilities. Your clips in this video look wonderful! And I truly do prefer the panny colors over the more punchy/rich sony profiles. Also finally bit the bullet and just bought the 10-25 1.7 as I felt like I wasn’t giving the gh6 it’s true fair try without pairing it with some of its best lenses. It’s cathartic listening to you talk about this as it basically covers how I feel about the gh6 and the m43 system as well. Except I’m barely just starting compared to you, so I got no excuse!
Haha it's hard to watch my favorite tubers talk about that full frame look as I too can't really bring myself to care! Anytime I've felt let down with my footage, it's been mostly because of white balance. So definitely not a camera problem.. that's on me. One of my toxic traits is 'listening' to too many RUclipsrs who don't do what I like to do! Thanks for sharing! Edit: that's the reason I picked up the 10-25 too! Also I didn't like traveling with the speed booster so being able to take just the 10-25 for a wide/mid is worth it.
@@lyndonlabayan I've been a pro shooter in NYC for the last 30 years. I've shot large format (4x5 up to 11x14 film), medium format, 35 and digital. And I will say the differences between top MFT cameras and full frame is largely negligible. For video, either s35 or mft formats are just fine (FF is larger than cinema standards). And for stills, the difference is almost unable to even be seen. Short of an A/B comparison on a large 4k screen. Take a look at some good testing done by Caleb Hoover, comparing the GH6 image with the same one taken with the S5II. I didn't see any differences that would keep me up at night. Plus, the GH6 has a high res mode that shoots 100MP images. Which I got to compare with the Phase One 150MP back camera (around $52k camera system). The image from the GH6 looked virtually the same.
It is just a tool, if it does not do what you want, find a camera that will do what you want and need. Most cameras do have some disadvantageous things about them. Sometimes we must realize what those negatives are and work around them or find one that meets our needs. Being a professional you should get the best camera that you can find for your job requirements.
I'm looking for an upgrade from my GH5S for both videos and photo. Jumping ship to Canon is not an option right now due to cost (though one day I might) and I want a camera with both video and photo options. I shoot video professionally and photos as a side hobby (mostly birds and wildlife) and the GH5S has produced mostly mediocre results in regards to stills. Thoughts? Should I go with the GH6? Thanks in advance.
I hear ya… I just shot a wedding as a gift and even the manual focus was difficult at times and I missed a few shots I needed. The focus peaking is even suspect at times. I do however love the colors better than Sony. The ibis is on point and it’s hard to go back to any other ibis system. Let’s see what the new S5 II looks like!
To everyone that is now showing up since the GH6 has been put on deep discount at numerous retailers - Yes at $1299 its an absolute powerhouse and an insane deal. Enjoy it. At $2500, DPReview had it going toe to toe with the H2S. At $1299 there's really nothing comparable. I'm guessing a GH6 II or something is coming out with phase detect and now they are clearing out the GH6. Rumors are an announcement will come at the beginning of August, but who knows if that's true.
I appreciate these videos-I’m in a similar situation-weekend videographer using Lumix. First a G85, then added a G9 (underrated for video), and then I debated the GH6 or even a GH5S but ultimately decided that low light and price mattered, which narrowed it down to the S5 and GH5S. The ok but not great S5 IBIS won (vs no IBIS in the GH5S) and now I use S5 and G9 (the 4K60 no crop on the G9 beats the 4K60 S5 crop in good light). I noticed the flicker in your previous video, I should have known it was the AF. It’s exciting to see Lumix potentially moving to phase detect AF. If it was a firmware update to the GH6 I might still pick one up:) If not then maybe an S5II or funny you should mention it, a Canon R7 for those times I need dependable AF. Thanks again for your honest Lumix content!
If you were in the ecosystem, the launch price and continued price of like two to $2200 is really not too bad but let’s be realistic it’s been on sale for like $13-$1800 for months, which is a much better value proposition
Ah sorry I meant in CDN but yes, minus VAT/conversion fees, purchasing at the US discount price would mean it's a much better proposition. It's never hit sub 2k for us up north. Thanks!
It's a LUT from Caleb (DSLRVideoShooter). Paid and it's handy for outdoor exposing when I don't have a monitor ready. It works for VLOG only and there are 2 versions for regular and DR boost.
Can you tell me another camera that has a 5.7k 120fps sensor? In Prores? IBIS on wide angles? How about another camera that shoots 100mp handheld shots. In a RUclips scenario, the AF isn't as bad as you say ("atrocious", really?)... maybe for camera nerds. I always find it amazing how RUclipsrs have HIGHER standards than Hollywood. Films often have blatant focus errors. What are you talking about? You probably need better AF lenses.
Totally unrelated As a software developer how close do you think is redcode raw to cineform raw codec? Did you watch jinnitech’s latest video? Do you think that patent is valid?
Damn, I don't think I know enough to give an opinion. Raw, at the end of the day is still going to be decided by what a company decides is more important given the compression ratios. Example: all things being equal between two different raw files at 10:1.. is the white balance (or any color value) headroom going to be the same when comparing them again at 5:1 or even 2:1.. I assume there's a sweet spot given a ratio, raw codec and sensor type. I don't know enough though.. sorry!
Ok, they fixed the AF with the release of the G9 II. If you are not able to fix lighting for your videos you cannot blame MFT for that. MFT was always meant as a compromise between size, weight, cost (esp. lenses) and performance. If you really need top of the notch LL performance go for medium format instead.
@@lyndonlabayan Indeed, also the AF is much better, but colors and skin tones are just not as good as the GH6 ... Panasonic really doesn't want to make the perfect camera.
If you were shooting ProRes you’d be recommending it to your friends btw. It’s on another level, especially when you go raw with the ninja on top of it.
I like my Lumix Lenses. Sold off my Panasonic Lumix Cameras. Bought a used Olympus M1-Mk-III, to use as my "B" Camera. My "A" Camera tools are Sony A7S3 and FX30. I am a happy camper.
I will ask you the same question as I asked Gerald Undone a year ago and it's funny he did respond but never could give me an answer! If mft is dead then please tell me what camera to buy that surpasses all it's features for the same or less money! If you can't give me an alternative then you have absolutely no basis in saying the mft system is dead. It might be dead in your little blinkered world of 'it must have PD autofocus' but in the real world and in the right professional hands this little affordable camera is like gold. Remember it's not just a video camera, it's an incredible raw stills camera too and can take sharper and higher resolution photos that Sony, Canon and Nikon full frame cameras more than double the price! When you sit there and say a camera of this calibre is dead I actually feel embarrassed for you because you have just jumped on the back of Gerald Undones mistake that he will now be regretting saying now that panasonic are rolling out their new PD autofocus! The camera does have a bit of noise in higher iso settings but these days noise reduction software is so good that we can live with a little bit of noise and after removal no one would ever know it had noise. No camera is perfect but the gh6 is the start of a new era in mft technology in my opinion and there are some huge advantages to using mft in low light over full frame. With a mft lens you can shoot at f2.8 but have a depth of field of f5.6 which keeps everything in focus in a night scene. Also in a night scene autofocus even on the best sony cameras is utterly useless. In order to get the same dof on a ff camera at night one might have to stop down to f5.6 which means increasing the iso to compensate. If shallow dof is required there are f0.95 lenses and also speed boosters available to achieve razor thin dof. The mft system is so incredibly versatile, I would argue it is still the most versatile lens mount in the entire camera industry. You will regret saying the mft system is dead just like I believe Gerald already is. Just wait till panasonic launch a gh6 ii with PD autofocus, not that it really was that essential but it will silence all the autofocus crybabies who don't understand the power, flexibility and absolute reliability of manual focus. If I buy a gh6 ii and it has PD autofocus, I guarantee you in the vast majority of situations it will be turned off!
Audiences never notice slight noise in the shadows, and manual focusing is a basic skill so AF should never be a deciding factor. There's just a lot of lazy videographers who don't want to learn how to use their gear
I am very much not a pro and have a G9 plus one good lens. I am starting to believe that no matter what lens or camera I would have, things like weddings would benefit a lot from some light. There is an expectation that the wedding dress always looks white and one way to get that is some very soft bluish tint light held by an assistant.
I’m want to really see the sale quantity of the GH6, compared to GH5 and GH4. The market is tougher now. Seeing a lot of a You Tuber began with GH4, GH5 then moved to Sony says everything. All those shutter angles, waveforms and histogram don’t matter as AF is now the biggest selling point.
@@teohyc I have a lot of You Tubers in my list and I watch them regurlary talking about cameras and many said in may videos that the change from Panasonic to Sony or Canon. An example Patrick Tomasso, Northrups, Gerald Undone, Matti Sulanto (Previous Lumix Ambassador based in Finland) and others. All of them made videos explaining why they switch and all of them was due not reliable AF. Gerald Undone made a time ago a video in which he asked many You Tubers which camera they used and most used Sony A7SIII, Sony A7IV, Sony FX30 or Sony FX3. Patrick Tomasso and Patrick Stylman made a video podcast and in this video Patrick a previous Lumix user said he moved from m43 (GH5) to Lumix FF, but never commit to Lumix because he was not sure that they will fix the AF. Then he moved to Sony for AF reasons. In that, more then 1 hour podcast, he explained what is missing in Sony, but he found this issue not a dealbreaker. During the introduction of Lumix S5II, PDAF, more then 60 videos discussing this camera and the vast majority of people commented this camera from a standpoint of previous Lumix user who switched from Panasonic to Sony, due AF. That is why now Panasonic is pushing PDAF very fast in cameras like G9II, S5II, S5IIX and will introduce in short time a GH7 with PDAF. The prices of S5 and GH6 has dropped very steep, pointing to very slow sales. Never ever I saw a camera, in one and a half year, dropped in sales price. Someone told me that they brought a GH6 this year at a very prominant store and the camera had firmware 1.0. He pointed that this is a sign that GH6 is sitting on the shelfes for a long time.
Why you turn off dynamic range boost? I thought this feature is one of the better upgrades this camera has. Saying the gh6 af is trash is a bit of a hard statement. I do boudoir videos with my gh5 , i follow the models with my camera and the af is good enough for this. Gh6 af is much better , so at least for users like me it is not trash at all.
i don't know if it makes sense to call yourself a "hobbyist". you get paid right? technically i think it makes you a professional. you get paid for your work. you're not necessarily "pro" in that you have the experience you would want in order to call yourself that, but even if others who do it full time may not like it, you are a professional wedding videographer.
Atrocious autofocus as in : autrocious continuous video AF ? Also, it is now 2023......I found a nice GH6 for 1200 bucks US. Does that change the equation at all ?
hah man, cam doesnt matter... just your hand and exp. if u cant shoot with m4/3 - just go and learning again. all new cam can give u brilliant image, sony, canon, nikon, lumix. full frame, apc-s, medium, micro 4/3. Every new cam... phone too. autofocus - not problem, use cine lens. low light perfomance - i cant nderstand, for what u take camera in blackhole?)) m4/3 have only 1 problem - so many people dont wanna work with hand.
i use the Lumix S5 last 2 months and i sold it.. why ? so nice camera, nice quality, trash AF, now, i bought a Canon R7 and man.. you say the video quality can be "just good" .. is amazing that 4kfine this R7 produce.. amazingly good.. 4:2:2 10 bit CLOG3, 170MB/S , 4k60 NO CROP/or crop mode , as u decide, 340mb/s.. AMAZING DUAL PIXEL AF, good colors, SO NICE IBIS , nice grip, easy to use with canon menus, I think the problem is the ppl just thinks canon is for photos.. is not.. now all the cameras can be hybrid and canon NOW is on the video party also.. maybe is NOT ( obviously ) like a panasonic cinema cameras like this gh6 or S5 or even the fx30 , but for majority people is more than enough the quality of the R7 produce.. just put an excellent lens and u have it.. like sigma 18-35mm with adaptor
Let's see if I get this: Your only two issues with the GH6 are its (lacking) low light ability, and its "atrocious" auto focus. Ok, fine. BUT, then you go on to say that its low light capability really isn't that bad. You even say it's good up to 6400, and in truth it's only low MIXED lights that you don't like. Since I never heard of a "low mixed lighting CHAMP" in cameras, I have to think the GH6 isn't any better or worse than any others for that narrow test. So that leaves the "atrocious" AF. Which in all candor, is complete BS. If you wish to say it isn't as good at AF than Sony or Canon, fine. You would be correct. But atrocious? You are so off the mark in terms of reality. The AF is fine for most uses, by most people that know the system. Which you claim to know, having used a GH5 for years. And if you actually did, and the AF bothered you, why stay in the system? And why judge the GH6 (with better AF than the GH5 had) negatively? We know it isn't it's strong point. Would you rate a Jeep not good on the racetrack? You could, but for whose benefit? That isn't what it's made for. And finally, as to film-work, most filmmakers don't care about AF at all. Few cinema cameras or lenses even have any AF. So, I'm still at a loss to understand the points your make, and then contradict.
Who cares buddy, I use bmcc4k with t1.0 lenses + gh5 v log and also t1.0 lenses, and trust me, low light performance is amazing with little bit of lights setup help. Auto focus ? why, sure sometiems helps, but i cant even compare what gh5 gives if compare to a7iii, my videos got even better when started to use manual focus. I like gh5 better than fx30
I object to your statement that the auto focus is trash. I own the GH5 ii which has inferior auto focus and I would call it trash. During a recent shoot of a pickle ball music video the biggest problem was the camera couldn’t decide on which person to focus on.
You should compare Open Gate between both the GH5 and the GH6, the GH5 has less pulsing. Even in 4K 24/30fps the GH5 has better AFC accuracy when viewing the videos at 1:1.
I'm shooting Canon, Panasonic and BMPCC. The R7 is not a match for the GH6. The GH6 is a B-cam to the Canon R5C !! That's how high up you need to get up in Canon cameras to have the same tools as what the GH6 has !!
The GH6 is also the first camera that does pixel shift stills HANDHELD !! 100 mpix !!
No, the GH6 is not for everyone. It's not a beginner camera either. But that's the reason, the GH5-II still is a valid option. And it's at the price point below the R7 and FX30.
On the shelf here: GH4 - multiple, GH5, BGH-1, GH5-II, GH6, Canon 5D Mk3, EOS R, R5C, R6 Mk II, R7, BMPCC 4k, BMPCC 6k and an original DJI Osmo Pro, which also is MFT. Which ones do I use the most ?? R5C and GH6.
I totally agree! That's quite the collection and ya the R5C really does have all the features I'd expect from a video powerhouse.
At a price point. But you get what you pay for. And there is nothing that gets near the R5C. On a budget, there is only the GH6. Simple facts of life.
Dude, PROs don't use autofocus. NEVER! Ok? If u can't use manual focus, don't say that it's a bad camera
Wrong. PROs use whatever helps them tell the story. As a 100% manual focus guy, I would honestly love to have the ability to switch to AF when I’m on a gimbal, especially when is as good as Sony AF. That thing is really impressive.
No true
This camera is great. I ahd the gh5 for 2 years and worked a ton with it. The mft system is very good for travel and light weight setup. Filmed my fav. Vacation with it
Dude I got gh6 recently half price .tried AF and it works great!!! Put it on human tracked every kid moving playing ball perfect. 4 kids at once all moving fast unpredictable and never missed. No it ain't Sony but it works most of the time...and it's BS pros don't use AF. I read over and over the AF is trash. That's not my experience.
I guess my only problem with it was the pulsing in outdoor scenarios against the sky/sunlight. But you're right, it does actually hold onto subjects.
compared to my ol trusty gh5, my experience with the 6 AF is, so far, not bad at all. it does in enough light detect humans and faces and tracks. faster processor, so DFD AF about as capable as it can get. funny had the pulsing on the gh5 in scenarios you describe, but so far none on the gh6. Listen. i'm happy. got a video beast for a low price, it ain't perfect but what camera is? gh6 color probably the best of all Lumix cameras. so go spend 2 grand for a g9II which as good as it is has some cripple features. Happy Holidays@@lyndonlabayan
Im still shooting the GH5 and that sums up the GH5 as well. Wondering about the G9ii
Verdict is that the G9 II is fricken awesome. I wonder how it's doing for long recordings in hot summer ceremonies though.
Feeling in the hand, the GH6 is fantastic. I bought one at launch and it FELT great to shoot with but comparing the footage against the BMPCC4K, GH5S and GH5II there wasn’t much of an increase in IQ. Limitations of the sensor size. Ultimately, I switched to Sony and have NEVER regretted it. I miss the cinema features but at least now I have incredible low light performance an an in focus image. Now I shoot an equal amount of photo and video work and couldn’t be happier with my A7IV and A7SIII combo
Thanks and I guess I've taken overall feel for granted so thanks for reminding me!
I'm glad to hear things are great with your setup! Tbh I agree with the A7SIII and A7IV over the FXs. I also like taking dumb pictures of my dogs/family and I really need a hybrid to not lose out on that experience. I truly am jealous of that low light hahaha. Cheers and HNY!
For my two primary cameras, I have the GH6 with the PannyLeica 25-50, and an S5 on a gimbal with the 16-35. That 25-50 produces a stunning image, way better than any of the L Mount lenses IMO. That's my reason for staying with the GH6!
I agree, the 25-50mm is the best M43 lens, contrast, colors, everything is crazy good about this lens. But the 24-70mm S Pro is fantastic as well, micro-contrast is better than any of the other L mount lenses I tried, even better than the 50mm S Pro (which is fantastic for it's bokeh and rendering).
I agree. That 25-50 is phenomenal.. definitely my go to!
Also just got the 25-50 for GH6 for video. took a few test photos of someone and was blown away by the color and image. I tried adjusting the color but no need for that. The colors are great straight out of the camera. Great portrait lens and I'll try to use it most of the time even though it doesn't seem to be popular like the 10-25mm. Which lest would you guys recommend with this 25-50? I have the 8-18mm and the 12-35mm and used the 8-18 for gimbal live events due to lack of focus control with gimbal but it seems the new gimbals are more flexible and the GH6 doesn't really need one. Other than the gimbal events, I don't like using the wide lenses
@@AlphaTroll Why not the 10-25m, great lens as well.
@@slows728 way better than the 8-18 for image quality because thats another $1800?
Succinct.
I use a GH4 on my channel. I'm planning to upgrade my camera. Not sure if a GH6 or G9 would be the way to go. I do short films, weddings, documentaries and some photography.
Having owned both, would you say one should upgrade to a G9 or a GH6?
Sorry for the late reply but I think if you have the funds or can make i back... the GH6. The G9's real win is the fact that it's so cheap. Price to performance, the G9... but the GH6 if you can.
@@lyndonlabayan Went for the GH6 and it's been great so far. Thank you so much.
Well, with Panasonic moving into PDAF for all future cameras from S5M2 onwards, I think we should expect a revamped GH6M2 in the not to distant future. I can't see the GH6 being continued for for 5 years like that GH5 was.
Yo thanks for your vid man it really helps me with what camera i want to get
I use the GH5 for most projects but have a GH5s for anything indoors and low light. You're 100% correct that the GH5 (and of course 6) is just too bad in low light conditions (especially if you shoot log). People forget too that Panasonic have a great relationship with Leica and have released some native and affordable lenses. I'm slowly collecting the Leica Panasonic prime lenses. The 42.5 is probably the best I've used on the system. It's so painterly and is super fast at 1.4 to help with low light. You might want to also check out the Voightlanders if you need fast native lenses.
As far as auto focus, I guess you just keep having to practice and master it. I personally would love good auto focus. Just having a technology handle something so vital to small productions is so helpful!
Thanks for sharing! It's true, primes would help but I ended up selling my primes as I ended up never using them... I was too nervous to swap out at weddings in case I needed another focal length. Mental block and totally a personal problem haha.
We'll see what happens next week .. again, hopefully it doesn't push the bottom floor price point too high. HNY!
@@lyndonlabayan HNY to you too!
Hi Lyndon, from Northern California. Thanks for the video. Always appreciate your honesty, and your wedding videography is excellent. I do take exception with you calling yourself a "hobbyist" wedding film maker, though. Obviously, you are a (part-time) professional wedding videographer. Anyway, wishing you a wonderul 2023 and looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the S5 II and S5 X once they announce it.
Thanks for the positivity! You're right, it's hard for me to qualify myself as a professional.. toxic trait stuff for sure haha. I appreciate it and yes I can't wait for the official announcements. The leaked stuff already sounds great!
Hey Lyndon. Which camera in the Panasonic Gh series do you recommend for recording Jiujitsu grappling. I understand the critical function of shutter angle, but the autofocus is my concern.
AF for video just doesn't exist for GH bodies. You may need to look elsewhere I'm afraid. Cheers!
@@lyndonlabayan thank you for the reply.
From all you have stated in this video goes to show that you can recommend it. Autofocus isn’t great but also that’s not all you need on a camera. I never use autofocus ever. Perhaps when I switch to a Sony or Canon I will but I’m perfectly fine using manual focus and that way I never miss.
Got the gh6 as my first big upgrade from an a6300 and a part of me has always regretted it after seeing the other options get released not long after like the fx30. (Didn’t help that the gh6 new price dropped 600 bucks to compete after I paid full price, siiighh) On top of that, the constant “m4/3 can never achieve that full frame look” on RUclips mentality just hurts extra. Agree with all you’ve said here about the downsides.
However, I also have to swallow the fact that the lacking of autofocus and so so lowlight is NOT the thing that has been holding me back in my pursuits, it’s ME. I genuinely love the footage off the camera most of the time and recognize I still have barely scratched the surface of the gh6’s capabilities.
Your clips in this video look wonderful! And I truly do prefer the panny colors over the more punchy/rich sony profiles.
Also finally bit the bullet and just bought the 10-25 1.7 as I felt like I wasn’t giving the gh6 it’s true fair try without pairing it with some of its best lenses.
It’s cathartic listening to you talk about this as it basically covers how I feel about the gh6 and the m43 system as well. Except I’m barely just starting compared to you, so I got no excuse!
Haha it's hard to watch my favorite tubers talk about that full frame look as I too can't really bring myself to care!
Anytime I've felt let down with my footage, it's been mostly because of white balance. So definitely not a camera problem.. that's on me.
One of my toxic traits is 'listening' to too many RUclipsrs who don't do what I like to do! Thanks for sharing!
Edit: that's the reason I picked up the 10-25 too! Also I didn't like traveling with the speed booster so being able to take just the 10-25 for a wide/mid is worth it.
@@lyndonlabayan I've been a pro shooter in NYC for the last 30 years. I've shot large format (4x5 up to 11x14 film), medium format, 35 and digital. And I will say the differences between top MFT cameras and full frame is largely negligible. For video, either s35 or mft formats are just fine (FF is larger than cinema standards). And for stills, the difference is almost unable to even be seen. Short of an A/B comparison on a large 4k screen. Take a look at some good testing done by Caleb Hoover, comparing the GH6 image with the same one taken with the S5II. I didn't see any differences that would keep me up at night. Plus, the GH6 has a high res mode that shoots 100MP images. Which I got to compare with the Phase One 150MP back camera (around $52k camera system). The image from the GH6 looked virtually the same.
Liked the video before I watched it, just because there are few of us Lyndons around! All the best.
It is just a tool, if it does not do what you want, find a camera that will do what you want and need. Most cameras do have some disadvantageous things about them. Sometimes we must realize what those negatives are and work around them or find one that meets our needs. Being a professional you should get the best camera that you can find for your job requirements.
I'm looking for an upgrade from my GH5S for both videos and photo. Jumping ship to Canon is not an option right now due to cost (though one day I might) and I want a camera with both video and photo options. I shoot video professionally and photos as a side hobby (mostly birds and wildlife) and the GH5S has produced mostly mediocre results in regards to stills.
Thoughts? Should I go with the GH6?
Thanks in advance.
I hear ya… I just shot a wedding as a gift and even the manual focus was difficult at times and I missed a few shots I needed. The focus peaking is even suspect at times. I do however love the colors better than Sony. The ibis is on point and it’s hard to go back to any other ibis system. Let’s see what the new S5 II looks like!
Haha my wife will kill me but HOPEFULLY the S5 II is great and somewhat affordable.
I'll check out your wedding vid thanks for stopping by!
To everyone that is now showing up since the GH6 has been put on deep discount at numerous retailers - Yes at $1299 its an absolute powerhouse and an insane deal. Enjoy it. At $2500, DPReview had it going toe to toe with the H2S. At $1299 there's really nothing comparable. I'm guessing a GH6 II or something is coming out with phase detect and now they are clearing out the GH6. Rumors are an announcement will come at the beginning of August, but who knows if that's true.
Did you have any streaking issues with your gh6?
I appreciate these videos-I’m in a similar situation-weekend videographer using Lumix. First a G85, then added a G9 (underrated for video), and then I debated the GH6 or even a GH5S but ultimately decided that low light and price mattered, which narrowed it down to the S5 and GH5S. The ok but not great S5 IBIS won (vs no IBIS in the GH5S) and now I use S5 and G9 (the 4K60 no crop on the G9 beats the 4K60 S5 crop in good light). I noticed the flicker in your previous video, I should have known it was the AF. It’s exciting to see Lumix potentially moving to phase detect AF. If it was a firmware update to the GH6 I might still pick one up:) If not then maybe an S5II or funny you should mention it, a Canon R7 for those times I need dependable AF. Thanks again for your honest Lumix content!
Thank you! Ya the G9 after that v2 really added major value. I can't believe how awesome it is for its price.
Get a good used GH4 or GH5 from Henry's. Camera prices in Canada are crazy too high.
Agreed! Ya, I'm all for used now too. I wish refurbs were more common on these models.
If you were in the ecosystem, the launch price and continued price of like two to $2200 is really not too bad but let’s be realistic it’s been on sale for like $13-$1800 for months, which is a much better value proposition
Ah sorry I meant in CDN but yes, minus VAT/conversion fees, purchasing at the US discount price would mean it's a much better proposition. It's never hit sub 2k for us up north. Thanks!
@@lyndonlabayan I forgot your in Canada, my bad! Man the sales on it has been insane in the states when I see it going for 1500 USD
would you recommend it if it was 1500 bucks ?
How did you get false color in the gh6?? 5:31
It's a LUT from Caleb (DSLRVideoShooter). Paid and it's handy for outdoor exposing when I don't have a monitor ready. It works for VLOG only and there are 2 versions for regular and DR boost.
Can you tell me another camera that has a 5.7k 120fps sensor? In Prores? IBIS on wide angles? How about another camera that shoots 100mp handheld shots. In a RUclips scenario, the AF isn't as bad as you say ("atrocious", really?)... maybe for camera nerds. I always find it amazing how RUclipsrs have HIGHER standards than Hollywood. Films often have blatant focus errors. What are you talking about? You probably need better AF lenses.
But it has to be CinEmatIC even though hollywood never shoots at f1.2 and they all manual focus
Totally unrelated
As a software developer how close do you think is redcode raw to cineform raw codec?
Did you watch jinnitech’s latest video?
Do you think that patent is valid?
Damn, I don't think I know enough to give an opinion. Raw, at the end of the day is still going to be decided by what a company decides is more important given the compression ratios. Example: all things being equal between two different raw files at 10:1.. is the white balance (or any color value) headroom going to be the same when comparing them again at 5:1 or even 2:1.. I assume there's a sweet spot given a ratio, raw codec and sensor type. I don't know enough though.. sorry!
Ok, they fixed the AF with the release of the G9 II. If you are not able to fix lighting for your videos you cannot blame MFT for that. MFT was always meant as a compromise between size, weight, cost (esp. lenses) and performance. If you really need top of the notch LL performance go for medium format instead.
The fact they are now handling the dual gain ISO automatically is such a huge win for G9 II users.
@@lyndonlabayan Indeed, also the AF is much better, but colors and skin tones are just not as good as the GH6 ... Panasonic really doesn't want to make the perfect camera.
If you were shooting ProRes you’d be recommending it to your friends btw. It’s on another level, especially when you go raw with the ninja on top of it.
I like my Lumix Lenses. Sold off my Panasonic Lumix Cameras. Bought a used Olympus M1-Mk-III, to use as my "B" Camera. My "A" Camera tools are Sony A7S3 and FX30. I am a happy camper.
I will ask you the same question as I asked Gerald Undone a year ago and it's funny he did respond but never could give me an answer!
If mft is dead then please tell me what camera to buy that surpasses all it's features for the same or less money! If you can't give me an alternative then you have absolutely no basis in saying the mft system is dead. It might be dead in your little blinkered world of 'it must have PD autofocus' but in the real world and in the right professional hands this little affordable camera is like gold. Remember it's not just a video camera, it's an incredible raw stills camera too and can take sharper and higher resolution photos that Sony, Canon and Nikon full frame cameras more than double the price! When you sit there and say a camera of this calibre is dead I actually feel embarrassed for you because you have just jumped on the back of Gerald Undones mistake that he will now be regretting saying now that panasonic are rolling out their new PD autofocus! The camera does have a bit of noise in higher iso settings but these days noise reduction software is so good that we can live with a little bit of noise and after removal no one would ever know it had noise. No camera is perfect but the gh6 is the start of a new era in mft technology in my opinion and there are some huge advantages to using mft in low light over full frame. With a mft lens you can shoot at f2.8 but have a depth of field of f5.6 which keeps everything in focus in a night scene. Also in a night scene autofocus even on the best sony cameras is utterly useless. In order to get the same dof on a ff camera at night one might have to stop down to f5.6 which means increasing the iso to compensate. If shallow dof is required there are f0.95 lenses and also speed boosters available to achieve razor thin dof. The mft system is so incredibly versatile, I would argue it is still the most versatile lens mount in the entire camera industry. You will regret saying the mft system is dead just like I believe Gerald already is. Just wait till panasonic launch a gh6 ii with PD autofocus, not that it really was that essential but it will silence all the autofocus crybabies who don't understand the power, flexibility and absolute reliability of manual focus. If I buy a gh6 ii and it has PD autofocus, I guarantee you in the vast majority of situations it will be turned off!
Audiences never notice slight noise in the shadows, and manual focusing is a basic skill so AF should never be a deciding factor. There's just a lot of lazy videographers who don't want to learn how to use their gear
@@evocati6523 Agreed!👍
I am very much not a pro and have a G9 plus one good lens. I am starting to believe that no matter what lens or camera I would have, things like weddings would benefit a lot from some light.
There is an expectation that the wedding dress always looks white and one way to get that is some very soft bluish tint light held by an assistant.
Why turn off boost in low light?
I’m want to really see the sale quantity of the GH6, compared to GH5 and GH4. The market is tougher now. Seeing a lot of a You Tuber began with GH4, GH5 then moved to Sony says everything. All those shutter angles, waveforms and histogram don’t matter as AF is now the biggest selling point.
Where did you read the statistics?
@@teohyc I have a lot of You Tubers in my list and I watch them regurlary talking about cameras and many said in may videos that the change from Panasonic to Sony or Canon. An example Patrick Tomasso, Northrups, Gerald Undone, Matti Sulanto (Previous Lumix Ambassador based in Finland) and others. All of them made videos explaining why they switch and all of them was due not reliable AF. Gerald Undone made a time ago a video in which he asked many You Tubers which camera they used and most used Sony A7SIII, Sony A7IV, Sony FX30 or Sony FX3. Patrick Tomasso and Patrick Stylman made a video podcast and in this video Patrick a previous Lumix user said he moved from m43 (GH5) to Lumix FF, but never commit to Lumix because he was not sure that they will fix the AF. Then he moved to Sony for AF reasons. In that, more then 1 hour podcast, he explained what is missing in Sony, but he found this issue not a dealbreaker. During the introduction of Lumix S5II, PDAF, more then 60 videos discussing this camera and the vast majority of people commented this camera from a standpoint of previous Lumix user who switched from Panasonic to Sony, due AF. That is why now Panasonic is pushing PDAF very fast in cameras like G9II, S5II, S5IIX and will introduce in short time a GH7 with PDAF. The prices of S5 and GH6 has dropped very steep, pointing to very slow sales. Never ever I saw a camera, in one and a half year, dropped in sales price. Someone told me that they brought a GH6 this year at a very prominant store and the camera had firmware 1.0. He pointed that this is a sign that GH6 is sitting on the shelfes for a long time.
Why you turn off dynamic range boost? I thought this feature is one of the better upgrades this camera has. Saying the gh6 af is trash is a bit of a hard statement. I do boudoir videos with my gh5 , i follow the models with my camera and the af is good enough for this. Gh6 af is much better , so at least for users like me it is not trash at all.
i use my gh5 with DJI Lidar and that allows autofocus with any lens its awesome
i don't know if it makes sense to call yourself a "hobbyist". you get paid right? technically i think it makes you a professional. you get paid for your work. you're not necessarily "pro" in that you have the experience you would want in order to call yourself that, but even if others who do it full time may not like it, you are a professional wedding videographer.
You ARE right... they don't like it hahaha.
Truth 🎉
I just bought a gh6 for 1200 from Amazon. Upgraded from gh3.
aside from the decade old gpu in the back, I knew you were a gamer when you said you "mained" a camera
I use the AF in face / eye track on the GH6. It’s much better and actually great. GH5 was horrific.
Atrocious autofocus as in : autrocious continuous video AF ? Also, it is now 2023......I found a nice GH6 for 1200 bucks US. Does that change the equation at all ?
hah man, cam doesnt matter...
just your hand and exp. if u cant shoot with m4/3 - just go and learning again.
all new cam can give u brilliant image, sony, canon, nikon, lumix. full frame, apc-s, medium, micro 4/3. Every new cam... phone too. autofocus - not problem, use cine lens. low light perfomance - i cant nderstand, for what u take camera in blackhole?))
m4/3 have only 1 problem - so many people dont wanna work with hand.
It would be nice if youtube photographers would stop thinking that everyone else is a youtuber.
But, of course, groupthink...
i use the Lumix S5 last 2 months and i sold it.. why ? so nice camera, nice quality, trash AF, now, i bought a Canon R7 and man.. you say the video quality can be "just good" .. is amazing that 4kfine this R7 produce.. amazingly good.. 4:2:2 10 bit CLOG3, 170MB/S , 4k60 NO CROP/or crop mode , as u decide, 340mb/s.. AMAZING DUAL PIXEL AF, good colors, SO NICE IBIS , nice grip, easy to use with canon menus,
I think the problem is the ppl just thinks canon is for photos.. is not.. now all the cameras can be hybrid and canon NOW is on the video party also.. maybe is NOT ( obviously ) like a panasonic cinema cameras like this gh6 or S5 or even the fx30 , but for majority people is more than enough the quality of the R7 produce.. just put an excellent lens and u have it.. like sigma 18-35mm with adaptor
Agree with you on all points. I'll never stop loving the 18-35 so any camera that can use it well is a great camera to me. Cheers!
Let's see if I get this: Your only two issues with the GH6 are its (lacking) low light ability, and its "atrocious" auto focus. Ok, fine. BUT, then you go on to say that its low light capability really isn't that bad. You even say it's good up to 6400, and in truth it's only low MIXED lights that you don't like. Since I never heard of a "low mixed lighting CHAMP" in cameras, I have to think the GH6 isn't any better or worse than any others for that narrow test. So that leaves the "atrocious" AF. Which in all candor, is complete BS. If you wish to say it isn't as good at AF than Sony or Canon, fine. You would be correct. But atrocious? You are so off the mark in terms of reality. The AF is fine for most uses, by most people that know the system. Which you claim to know, having used a GH5 for years. And if you actually did, and the AF bothered you, why stay in the system? And why judge the GH6 (with better AF than the GH5 had) negatively? We know it isn't it's strong point. Would you rate a Jeep not good on the racetrack? You could, but for whose benefit? That isn't what it's made for. And finally, as to film-work, most filmmakers don't care about AF at all. Few cinema cameras or lenses even have any AF. So, I'm still at a loss to understand the points your make, and then contradict.
He doesn't know how to manual focus (like most youtubers), so they blame the camera for their lack of skill
Who cares buddy, I use bmcc4k with t1.0 lenses + gh5 v log and also t1.0 lenses, and trust me, low light performance is amazing with little bit of lights setup help. Auto focus ? why, sure sometiems helps, but i cant even compare what gh5 gives if compare to a7iii, my videos got even better when started to use manual focus. I like gh5 better than fx30
I can't say I recommend it either. I use it only for 4k 120fps. Otherwise I use my S5 almost everytime, even my old GH5 gets more use.
Amen
I'm all in mft... And lumix... I the AF is not bad... If I need AF I use my phone for yputube
I object to your statement that the auto focus is trash. I own the GH5 ii which has inferior auto focus and I would call it trash. During a recent shoot of a pickle ball music video the biggest problem was the camera couldn’t decide on which person to focus on.
That is totally fair and maybe it's only a real problem in the super high contrast scenarios like against sunlight/skylight.
You should compare Open Gate between both the GH5 and the GH6, the GH5 has less pulsing. Even in 4K 24/30fps the GH5 has better AFC accuracy when viewing the videos at 1:1.