Wow, that is going to be an amazing journey! Regarding the 8 songs that Tuomas selected and not the fans on RUclips (and vice versa): Basically all songs are less popular with the RUclips crowd, probably because there is less spectacle in the songs when it comes to live performances, which means less of a 'reaction', so less entertaining to watch for many people. I guess that is also the reason why eight other songs were chosen instead. In that way I'm pretty surprised that Beauty and the Beast was selected, because it's not really a reaction favourite. Elvenpath is actually a pretty interesting song that - in my opinion - also kind of defines the earlier Nightwish. I only didn't suggest it in my post because I had to choose 1 song per album and I thought that The Carpenter would be a more interesting choice for you, but otherwise it would have been my suggestion, also because it is the very first song that I've ever heard from Nightwish. Wish I had an Angel and Nemo are basically all-time fan favourites that everyone has heard way too many times, so that could be another reason why those songs were not popular in the voting.
I believe Tuomas wanted the new fans to listen his previous work because new fans didn't like Tarja and Annette never visit the old albums because they had Wacken, bloodstock and knew only the songs who Floor happen to sung. I believe that devil and the deep dark ocean it was completely unknown to them but not anymore. The second reason for me i believe that they wanted an official video for some songs, they made stargazers before,yes it's an excellent song who unfortunately they never put it in a DVD from Tarja's era. Also 10th man down who is fantastic song. Totally Tuomas put in decades DVD his first work for be known to new fans , to please the older and to have official videos from the older songs. Very clever in my opinion but that's only my thoughts.
I'm so excited! This will be a great journey for you and for us! As for the differences in song choices: I very much like the old Nightwish albums and especially Once which got me into Nightwish. And I agree with Tuomas' choice that they are indeed relevant for the bands development and repertoire. But I also find the newer Nightwish albums much more interesting thematically, especially with regards to your style of lyric analysis. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree :-) Thanks for making this series!
Oh, missed this one! You are so familiar to the chat and the videos, I got confused. I though you were MissDragonfly, I am certain you saw, here and there.
Great, looking forward to this journey... It's a big surprise that NEMO didn't get any more support. It was a big hit in 2004 across Europe and brought a huge number of new fans to the band.
YAYYYYY 🥰 Edit: I'm so very excited to join you on this journey. And the song selections made me smile because I see a few underrated gems on that list that a lot of people seem to overlook.
An important difference between the band and fans choices is that they were building a set list, which has different requirements in terms of pacing and energy levels, which might change the choices quite a bit.
@@GuylainPrince agree, tried to make a list with as much diversity as I could think of (Do not know every song, but...) and surely not complete... but together we got a fine list...I did select Elvenpath, by the way, but all has to do with personal taste of course.
Hello! I'm so excited about this journey, can't wait! Talking about the songs the band choosed but not the fans; a few of them really are close to the soul of the band (Elvenpath especially), there is the right atmosphere but they do sound...well...old. Good old, but still, something like 20 years later you can really feel the difference in the sound and sophistication of lyrics, and many of us simply like it more. Tuomas made a terrific personal journey as a man and as an artist, and this really echoes in the whole repertoire. I find a different peace and beauty in the newer song in comparison to the tormented, dark, heavy sounds of the first albums. Wish I Had an Angel and Nemo are so popular that I'm sick and tired of them and I believe that many fans simply feel the same. End of All Hopes is great. My Walden is amazing and it's a pity it didn't made to the Fan's Cut (Especially for Troy, he's the soul of the song and this is the first one in an album as a permanent member of the band, and the real begenning of the experimentation he allows the band with his many instruments). I'm so so sad about Beauty OF the Beast, please consider to listen to the song at least just for yourself or give a look at the lyrics: it's a terrific song, worth of so much of your time and passion. It's romantic, sad, desperate, dark and deep. Dripping their "dark fairy tale" signature style back then. I also agree with what someone already said: you will see pretty clearly how the band's vision on religion developes and changes as long as their members (Tuomas mostly for obv reasons) grow up. Religion is a big part of the journey (What a pity that none of the "Egyptian songs" were nominated!), and what you so strongly disliked in Tribal is its peak, so it's going to be interesting see you start from the beginning. Greeting from Italy!
Grazie mille, caro amico! Trovo molto interessanti i punti da lei menzionati. Spero che vi piaccia questo viaggio attraverso le canzoni dei Nightwish! Spero di vedervi lì. Spero che i sottotitoli in italiano aiutino un po'. Vedo che non sono perfetti, e a volte anche sbagliati. Ma, nelle condizioni attuali, non posso farci niente. Merci beaucoup, cher ami! Je trouve les points que tu mentionnes for intéressant. J'espère que tu apprécieras ce voyages à travers les chansons de Nightwish! Au plaisir de t'y croiser. J'espère que les sous-titres en italien aident un peu. Je peux voir qu'ils ne sont pas parfaits, et parfois même fautifs. Mais, dans les présentes conditions, je ne peux pas faire autrement.
@@GuylainPrince Je suis une fille :) Je vais te dire si les sous-tires ne sont pas bons du tout, je n'en ai pas besoin moi-meme parce que je comprend (à l'écoute quand-meme!) trés bien francais et anglais, donc je peux te donner un feedback. à la prochaine mon ami, et excus-moi mon francais qui est trés rouillé
Thank you for this. I am a relatively new fan of Nightwish so I am looking forward to discovering some of the songs I am not familiar with. Should hopefully be interesting, enjoyable and rewarding 😁👍
I am looking forward for your excellent analysis. I am going to learn things I've never noticed myself about songs I've been listening for over 20 years.
🤘🇫🇮 online - As a single member of Nightwish army I hope that many of us seconds this: No matter who or what you listen and who's voice you go throught. We visit here to support and appreciate your contribution to symphonic metal music, not to judge.. 👍
Thanks! It will be a great. I think that the main "problem" with the NW Army it that many are attached to a certain singer or a certain era of the band. My journey will be appreciative of all the NW members (singers) and the different kinds of music they playes along their career. The rest is not my concern.
Great Qulain Thank you. Love the list,will be epic journey. Personally I know all the NW songs even the demo who i like it very much. But i am a very old fan. New fans have opinion for everything but known only 1/3 of the songs, the songs who be sung by Floor . The journey will be great for us to remember and for new to learn the real NW of the beginning. Studio album is perfect,are the original songs with the original mempers of the band that time. So many songs so difficult to choose,i love them all,i am sure that was difficult for you too. I like the finish of this video 😂 the music 🎶 Nightwish.
@@GuylainPrince Do you really believe now , Qulain that all those people want to know the story of NW? Few maybe, mostly want to see Floor and hear from you that she is amazing and she sung better than Tarja and Annette and will said nonsense for the previous singers. In every older performance or video song who visited, are there to said that she is better than Tarja or Annette and many more. Plenty of them didn't understand what you really will do. Good luck to this journey Qelain, will be difficult.
merci beaucoup , j'ai tellement hâte sa va aitre une super parcoure trais intéressante et enrichissant , je vais apprendre beaucoup sa va aitre génial , merci beaucoup , et je serais la pour ceux fabuleux voyage **O**
J'"y compte bien! La démo était cet après-midi. La réponse a été phénoménale, même si c'est seulement.... une démo! Ils sont fous ses fans de Nightwish!
Glad to see that you chose Elvenpath to be on the list. I voted for it and the song is special for me as it was the song that hooked me to the band back in the 90s. First song on the CD, first song I heard from them and was hooked. I was very much into fantasy literature at that time and that song just evoked so many things I liked.
@@GuylainPrince @Guylain Prince OFM I guess I was one of the few who voted for Elvenpath. Musically it's a really excellent song but I picked it because I think that Tuomas lyric writing ability has really evolved as he has gotten older. After your review of Human Nature, I tried to pick songs that would be really interesting for you to analyze the lyrics. And my personal opinion is Tuomas has really improved with his skill at writing lyrics as the band has evolved with the latest album being his lyrical masterpiece. However, you are far more skilled than I at studying lyrics so I cannot wait to hear your analysis and thoughts as you take this incredible 22 song journey. Fortunately you opted for other early songs so you should have a great sample to draw from to see how Tuomas has changed over time.
Ah, I misunderstood the lists as I was jogging as I listened. Too bad it didn't make the cut, as it is an important song, being the first song of the first album. Like Will said, it does show how everyone on the group has grown on their art during the years. As I've listened to the song again, you can definitely tell that it's.. I'd maybe describe it as clumsier in its execution, than their recent songs, showing how Tuomas has evolved and grown during all the years, but there is still that something earnest in that song that still lies underneath Tuomas' writing. As it's a fantasy song in its premise, I like to compare it to Edema Ruh in a way to look at young Nightwish and more experienced Nightwish.
@@CorporalCookie Indeed, I think the fantasy elements in their songs were more prominent in the earlier songs with Elvenpath being an excellent example but fantasy certainly has not disappeared in the Floor era as you point out with Edema Ruh.
De rien, cher ami. Je tiens absolument à mon identité de francophone, mais je tiens aussi à bien servir la communauté des abonnés qui écoutent, à 80% la trame anglaise et les sous-titres anglais. J'ai dû faire un choix.
Great! Almost 6 months with Nightwish! I am so happy(and relieved) that although I excluded them from my choice-list(because I had to choose only 10)," 'Elan", "The Poet & The Pendulum" and "Sacrament Of Wilderness" made it! And please, let's make sure that it was "Beauty AND The Beast" (from Angels Fall First-Album) that has been chosen instead of "Beauty OF The Beast"(from Century Child-Album). These two tend to be confused by many.Personally,I hope it's "Beauty OF The Beast"(from Century Child-Album) that has been chosen,but if it's the other,no problem of course,I will enjoy it.I was expecting "Alpenglow"(from Endless Forms Most Beautiful-Album) which is considered the "ultimate Nightwish song" by Tuomas himself,to make it to the final list,but it didn't.That's life! Greetings!
The fans themselves were not accurate on this one. I had to make a choice on my best judgment. Sadly, we could have missed a great one (Beauty of the Beast). Imperfect, but best intentions.
I'm excited for this journey!! Every Nightwish song has a special space in my heart so been able to only choose 10 it was heartbreaking eheh So the songs that you mentioned that we (the fans) do not choose (I wish i had a angel, my walden, and the other ones) are simply amazing and each one carry beautiful and well written lyrics! I mean Tuomas cannot write bad lyrics, but only 10 songs??... that's hard. Like there's one song that they played in Decades in 2018 that are from the early albums (i don't remember where now) that i truly love called "Deep silent complete" that you even not mentioned on your list and so on! For us it is worth to look and analyse every single lyric/song because they all are really special and no one it's equal to another and maybe you can do for yourself in some songs. But i can sure you that i Rock on and feel with everything in me every single song that you said that weren't choosen for this jorney at first, every single one! Cheers *Guylain* and a great Journey to you, excited to see you on the Nightwish track and to able to see what Tuomas lyrics will do to you! Much love from Portugal!
@@GuylainPrince je serai toujours au rendez-vous j apprend beaucoup sur vôtre chaine epica et nightwish son des groupes que j écoute du soir au matin car je travail la nuit et la j écoute the life and times of scrooge produit par tuomas magnifique
Winter is coming. Stack up the firewood. Cure the bacon. Stock up on barley, corn and hops ( take it easy on yourselves, me hearties - it is called beer and available in a shop near you). Winter is coming. But the Nightwish Army will not be suffering from a winter's depression. Comfort and solace will be brought by a friar who will digest a boatload of Nightwish songs. Winter is coming. It will pass swiftly into spring. Thanks, friar.
I agree with others that Nemo and Wish I Had an Angel were suggested less because they are somewhat overplayed. The problem of most older songs for me is their lyrics. Tuomas said in a Decades tour interview he has to give a lot of credit to Floor, Marko and Troy that they were actually able to sing some of the lyrics with a straight face, and he named Elvenpath as a good example. But some songs from the first albums are simply brilliant, like Sleeping Sun that has withstood all tests of time and vocals. My Walden is a wonderful song, I think it got a bit less support just because it doesn't stand out for most people. Not in the "yes, it's in my top 10!" way - but it still puts a smile on everybody's face :) I'm still sad all the slower and more soulful Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum songs got left out (would have preferred them to Nemo and WIHAA), but well, such is the way of life and the majority of the fanbase :)
Welcome Brother! An amazing journey awaits us! I am very happy that I will be able to do it with you! It will be good to see your hits on all these amazing songs - I have been listening to Nightwish for many years and know all the songs on your list - some I listen to more often, some less, but I appreciate all of them. I am glad that you will reach for the old songs of the band - they are often little known today and presented by you will let many younger listeners learn about the history of the band. I respect your decision that you listen primarily to the studio versions, and only when you allow the live version - it does not quite suit me, because Nightwish is a band that thrives live - I usually listen to them live and my first thought after hearing your words it was - I will have a hard time listening to these songs without the audience reacting (most songs are longer than the time you specified). But I thought for a moment and said - there will be no reaction from the audience, but what is most important and what we really come to you for - it will be your reaction! And then there will be something that is most important to me personally - your analysis. I don't know anyone else who would do such a deep analysis of songs - this is a great value for you and your channel, it was the analyzes that caught my attention and made me keep waiting for your new films, because thanks to them I often notice something that I missed, I understood differently, or I just didn't pay attention. I think there is one track - actually two - but this one in particular - "The Poet And The Pendulum" - that you should react to when listening to the live version, especially since there is a very good quality video with lyrics (https: // www. ruclips.net/video/iEzZRMthhXU/видео.html). Why do I think so? I mean emotions, the studio version sung by Anette is very good, but the Floor version is masterful! That's because Floor put herself into this song - not only vocally but also emotionally, which is clearly visible! This may be important to your reaction - it doesn't matter to the analysis, because the text doesn't change. I do not hide that I am waiting in detail for your analysis of this piece. The reactions are important - especially the first - I can still see your reaction to "Shoemaker" - Laudato Si - remember? Great reaction - joy, emotion, surprise - that's it! That is why I encourage you to watch "The Poet And The Pendulum" from the link I posted - not for me, because I know it very well, but for you! The second track I mentioned is "The Greatest Show On Earth -Tampere 2015" - again there is a version with lyrics (ruclips.net/video/bl6lUfIMkGM/видео.html) - great performance - it's worth making an exception to the rule !! O Brother - I will spend long hours with you in your room - I am glad that you want to welcome me there!
I believe that you never saw live the poet and the pendulum by Annete. If you said that Floor put all her emotions in the song , think about Annete that time,she was already a mother, NW made the two years tour, the biggest still today, Tuomas said that almost killing them, Annete took divorce and had battle of the castody of his child with her ex husband. She crying almost every time who sung this song and in Sao Paolo or Rio show she couldn't finish the song and left crying from the scene. But maybe you most new fans have not see Annete's live DVD because they have not official. But for me who i am old NW fan ,i have find a lot from festivals and some from the audience no good but thankfully have some. Always the eras have something to say,the ages, the break ups, the members, the decades influences and so many other. This journey must be more interesting for the new fans because we know already their past but we want to have the analysis from Qulain , i believe that the first era with Tarja have some deep feelings in Tuomas lyrics, especially to century child, Tuomas said that this is his most dark album,i always believed that DPP was. But he is the songs writer and knows better..
@@stasa-X As for the fact that you think I haven't heard the live version of Anette, then you are wrong - I've watched and listened to it many times, and listened to the studio version of course. Neither one nor the other touched me - I was deeply touched by the text - that's for sure - it still touches me. The studio version is very good, but not delightful - just a well-made song with deep lyrics - this lyrics is its value. The live version may not be disappointing - I can't say so - but much worse for me. Don't get me wrong - I value Anette as a singer and it hurts me how many harsh words from some of the band's fans fell on her - some of them have certainly reached her and this is not nice for anyone, especially for her. She is a very good singer - she proved it on albums, but unfortunately she failed to do it at concerts - it was her biggest problem - unfortunately for the band and unfortunately for her. Coming back to "The Poet And The Pendulum" - when I listened to her live performance, something did not suit me from the beginning - her emotions seemed detached from the song. I did not follow Anette's private life - I respect privacy and separate my private life from public life, but your entry sheds new light on my feelings and confirms that my impression was not unfounded - the lyrics made her private emotions return to her and caused the reaction we saw. It wasn't the song itself that triggered her emotions, but what she experienced herself - I inexplicably caught my eye, even though I didn't know what I had learned from you. That's why I wrote that only Floor showed the real emotions flowing from the song itself and put her heart into it, because it was her performance that really captivated me. Don't get me wrong - what I am writing is just my opinion and my feelings - this is how I perceive it and you can perceive it differently and I respect it - each of us is different and some things are seen in our own way. I respect your opinion - I hope you respect mine! Greetings from Poland!
@@marek3707 I do respect your opinion, even i can't agree completely with you but I like the way who explain to me your feelings and emotions about that so I can understand you completely. So I can talk to you from my perspective. Those two albums with Annete were best selling and i believe that fans loved both. I saw a lot of concerts with her almost all from festivals and some from audience in RUclips of course,i had not the fortune to see them live still today. In every concert who saw she was perfect to her songs and sung Tarja's songs with a different style but good in my opinion because she has different voice and not the classical studies of Tarja.Tuomas knew that from the beginning. She always was emotional,has good contact with the audience, said jokes and had good chemistry with the members of the band. I saw the audience to enjoying to dancing to crying and i am enjoying all the concerts. I don't understand why do you say, she is a not good in live? I have read comments hundreds of them that she is good in studio albums and not in live. And always i wondering who am I mistaken? What others see and i don't. Was the Tarja's era fans who hates Annete? It's Floor's fans who want to prove that Floor is better? Maybe i am wrong because I have no studies in music and can understand the note E6. Or it's a caramel as we say in my country something who repeat again and again , all have seen something but no one finally never seen? I want your comments for this because you said that have see a lot of times Annete's concerts and must be NW fan and no particular fan of some singer. My greetings from Greece.
@@stasa-X Thank you for your opinion! It is as you say - Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are excellent albums and no one will pick it up Anette, because she participated in their creation and she sang these songs first. You are also right to say that both Anette and the band knew from the start that She was not Tarja's second, and yet they decided they wanted to hang out together. In general, I think Anette had a damn difficult task deciding to replace Tarja in the band - she knew how Tarja sang, she knew fans would compare them, she knew she would have to sing Tarja's songs differently because she wasn't Tarja. But she had the courage to do it - and she did - I respect her very much for this courage! I don't think many female singers at the time would have done this. And She did it! It's very interesting what you say - that maybe if we hear an opinion very often, we end up taking it as our own and as fact. "Anette is good in the studio, but she can't do concerts." I heard this sentence often, and a few years ago I started to wonder about it myself - is it also my own opinion, or have I been suggested by others? How could I find out? Very simple - I started listening to Anette on the albums and the same songs live (except Tarja's songs because they were only live). And I found that on Anette's albums it gets to me personally more - that's just my personal feeling. That's why I wrote it in reply to you. I could never understand the violent disagreements of NW fans over which of the vocalists is better - Tarja, Anette or maybe Floor? I didn't take part in these discussions because in my opinion they don't make sense - they are all the history of the band and they all deserve the same respect - that's my opinion. I know that maybe it's stupid what I will say, but I dream of a special concert - after all, soon the band's anniversary - a concert with a full orchestra on stage (something like an Epica retrospect) and with the current line-up of the band and Tarja, Anette, Sami with them, John Two-Hawks ... Especially John I would like to see NW playing and singing again - so many years have passed and I keep coming back to it ... Is it possible? As for the performance with an orchestra, I think it can happen - for the rest, unfortunately I think it's just my dreams, but it's good to dream sometimes, right? You say you haven't seen Nightwish live - I wish you did! I was at their concert in Krakow, Poland in 2018. It was worth it! Was it some special, unforgettable concert? No, it was the same concert they had hundreds around the world. Was I thrilled - damn! If I had known beforehand what I would see and hear, would I still want to buy a ticket and go - I would have done it without hesitation! Have a nice evening, Anastasia!
@@marek3707You are a wonderful writer and you speak very good English indeed.I understand everything you said and I agree completely with you to all. Thank you for gave me an answer and told me about your live experience in NW concert in Cracow. This year 2020 i wanted to see them ln Vienna early December but unfortunately i can't ,i don't know about the future now if 2021 the concerts continue or not because covid ,it's too early to know. You have absolutely right about Annete, she is a fighter she dive so deep and she proven to all of us that she is a very good singer with her own way. Your dream ,are my dream also and not only ours but i believe now that maybe become true. I have a deep feeling inside me that maybe happen sooner, i listen both Tarja and Tuomas interviews recently and I understood that their friendship is in a good point now. Also always had professional relationship with emails. The start became with Sami Vaska, so exciting when i saw this moment,i cried then and every time who see the stargazers cry again so great moment!!! Floor sung with Tarja in Tarja's new Christmas album and many more Sharon, Simone, Elise, kotipelto and Tony Kako the singers have a deep respect each other. Before two years Tarja and Marco sung together in racasta zulua after so many years and was amazing moments. I see in official website they put memories from first eras, like the official video of phantom of the opera and two days before they remember that wish I had an angel day release and posted in you tube. I see signs every where or i wanted to see them 🤣. But our night wishes maybe become true some day. Maybe as you said a concert with orchestra and chorus all of them and a live DVD from this concert oh my wishes to eternity. I have great love for Poland,my sister in law is from Poland, she was born in Liubin and lived enough years to wrotslaw if i wrote them well. I always wondered why I am not visit yet Poland? My best regards. Stay healthy and safe.
Really looking forward to these 24 weeks. I know what I'll be doing the wednesdays and friday/saterday evenings the coming half year. Concerning our choices compared to the band: we selected what we considered our peronal top10, our 10 best songs from Nightwish. That leads to some obvious results that every member of the Nightwish army can predict. Tuomas and the band didn't select their best songs for Decades, but what they considered their most essential songs. Essential in the history and progress of the band. That is a total different way of looking at their back catalog. Another difference is that they selected 22 songs, where we selected only 10. I mentioned with my list that I was sorry I had to stop at 10 (although I actually did 11) because I could have gone on for another while. I think that if all of us could have selected 22 songs we would have seen a more widely spread selection and a more prominent position for the less obvious choices. But then again, I really don't know any Nightwish song that I don't like at all. Their catalog contains some 120 -130 songs, so I could easily produce an even longer list of my favourites. Can't wait for the journey to start.
thanks for the kind words and for the encouragements. Yup, of cours, I asked for 10, because I have to limit the compilation process. I had up to 60 songs selected. That was still a good exercise!
I didn't grow up with Nightwish unfortunately. If you are going to do decades, do decades live Buenos Aires. That is the one with Floor breathing new life into those old songs. And she looks stunning in her battle uniform. Lol All hail to the Valkyrie Goddess of Metal.
@@GuylainPrince cool friar. Difficult one to choose. Dead Boy's poem (emotional ).Slaying the dreamer (theatrical )and Devil and the deep dark ocean ( voice acrobatics) or just do all three. That would be my advice good friar. The power and emotions she exudes. .. unbelievable. 2 month ago I didn't know anything about them and now. ...mama mia. Stay Safe friar.
@@GuylainPrince Here is a suggestion friar Prince. Live versions of Nightwish are always better than studio albums. Why not do a back to back song. A studio album and then a live version of that song (Floor of course singing it).A music analyst named Chase did that with "How is the Heart ". Bye and be safe.
I just discovered your channel :) I'm very excited to follow your journey. It's a very well balanced setlist and we all will have a lot of fun :) For me it's a little sad, that "Swanheart" didn't make it on the list. It's a beautiful ballad from the Oceanborn album.
Hi there in Canada🇨🇦👍 You have just so honest way to react and analyse these Nightwish songs.... I appreciate it really really much.... Keep up the good work 🥰 Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮 ps: I want you to do these two Nightwish songs In The future: 1. Poet and The Pendelum, 2. The Greatest Show On Earth 👍
Those 8 wich weren’t much vored ’cause we fans DO know those songs very well, and I personally wanted to give you something good, not well-know Nightwish songs ☺️ i really looking foward to this jorney, I really can’t wait! Greerings from Finland, from Nightwish fan since 2007
Im looking forward to your journey into the Nightwish repertoire. I like your deep analysis of the lyrics. On your question, why some albums had received less votes: Nightwish is a band of 25 years of history. Although composition and craftmanship were always present, their style changed several times a little bit. Also the three singers (Tarja, Annette and Floor) and the arrival of Marko as a additional male singer in 2001 had huge impact to the sound (and capabilities) of the band. So there are different groups of fans who prefer different styles/singers. And I presume that the youngest of these groups is the largest by number. Also the availability of the songs on youtube only in the last 10 years had an huge impact on this youngest group of fans. I personally, although I'm nearly 50, belong to this youngest group. And I (admiring Tarja, too) prefer the singing of Floor. So I know/like the younger songs and (only) those older songs, which Floor had sung the last 8 years. From the songs Tuomas had selected for Decades I would only miss Slaying the Dreamer and Nemo in your selection.
Ooh that is generous - and very exciting! This prolonged journey will have "a chance" to follow, somewhat lightly, the development of NIGHTWISH - one of the deeper bands in the genre lyrically, with sharp and sometimes dark twists thrown along the way. Still some songs went amiss, which would have explained more, and especially shown more sides of their creation musically. But that is OK, it means that even after this giant parcours is done, there will always be the possibility for revisiting and for another surprise! :)) I was truly worried about cramming the full experience into 10 songs; now we are pretty well set, no objections at all to any of the choices. ;)) I think there will be opportunities to return to the discrepancy between what Tuomas and the band see as essential from their back catalogue, and what the Army likes. :) There might be no generally correct answer, but rather perceptions and specific cases. Undoubtedly, the band members, having been through the full creative process, have their reasons that we might not know unless addressed in interviews. It is probably clearer with fans - the impact of a given song usually will be the deciding factor. At the same time I admit NIGHTWISH chose some pretty standard singles for the "Decades" compilation, which could have been replaced by more adventurous titles. But singles are good for winning new fans and expanding the Army, so... :))))
Bonjour Guylain, une belle épopée en perspective. Je dois dire que je ne suis pas spécialement surpris des différence entre la sélection "decades" de Nightwish et celle des votes. Les titres en désaccords correspondent à ceux de la setlist du Wacken, ou de Wembley, deux concerts dont les vidéos sont extrêmement populaires sur internet. Du fait de la médiatisation importante de Nightwish sur RUclips via les channels de type "réaction", ce sont devenus des titres phares sur cette plateforme, d'où le biais observé dans les votes ! Concernant la sélection actuelle, j'ai lu dans les commentaires précédents que vous comptiez faire une réaction à la version "live" lorsque celle ci n'est pas trop longue en prime de la version album. Je tiens juste à mettre en avant deux titres majeurs, "The Poet and the Pendulum", ainsi que "The greatest show on Earth" qui, bien qu'étant les titres les plus longs de Nightwish, méritent l'expérience live (notamment the greatest SHOW on earth, le nom n'est pas anecdotique). Ce serait une erreur à mon goût de passer à côté ! Le rendez-vous est pour moi pris pour la semaine prochaine !
Un home des pays-bas m'a fourni, je crois, presque toutes les versions live des 20 chansons les plus poplaires (je n'ai pas fait la comparaison encore), mais je suis pas mal certain que le "big three" y sont. Alors, ce sera vraissemmblablement la version live. Je verrai le moment venu!
Their first albums varied a bit in style as they were young, their musical influences changed and their albums reflected that. It took them a few albums to find their signature "Nightwish" sound. That would explain why some fans prefer some of the first albums and not others, and that dispersion of preference explains, I think, the perceived reduced popularity. I think I prefer Tuomas' picks over the fans'. I can not believe that some of the most iconic Nightwish songs like Sacrament of Wilderness, Slaying the Dreamer or Wish I had an Angel did not make it to the list. I do discern a probable reason though, those are mostly Tarja-Era songs that Floor has not improved upon, and newer Nightwish fans are understandably alienated to them (with the exception of the folk-sounding My Walden). Another Decades-like album was the "End of an Era" where again Tuomas selects the songs that he thinks were the most important of all the albums up to 2005. Perhaps you can compare his selection there with the Decades one :) Concerning the religious songs, I am most interested in your take on them. I get the feeling that Tuomas believes in the divine and is disappointed (and critical) of the way humans treat it. Through the songs, I have formed an image of Tuomas as someone who is seeing the divine in nature, as opposed to within a man-made structure. Some of the songs you picked are very close to being religious hymns, and I await with bated breath for your reaction to them. Please keep in mind that this is a very long journey, spanning over 25 years, and both the band and its members have changed, evolved and matured during this period. As opposed to some bands that cling to their signature sound, Nightwish's sound has - and still is evolving, while remaining unmistakenly theirs.
Really looking forward to this journey! Being a fan since Wishmaster I basically know all of their songs and I'm curious on your oppinion and analysis of the songs. Some of them, especially from the first three albums are very dear to me (I could have made a 10 song list frome only these albums^^), so it will be interesting to see if you get a similar meaning from them. I was at one of the Decades-Shows, not knowing what would await me regarding the setlist (since I already onwed all of their albums, I did not have a closer look at the Decades-Compilation beforehand). I literally cried several times because they played songs I never expected to ever witness them playing live, such as Ghetsemane, Elvenpath, Dead Boys Poem. That was an emotional rollercoaster ride I will never forget. As for the songs selectet by Toumas and not the fans, I think that all of them are great songs, but within the rich discography of Nightwish they are not the fist songs that come to one's mind when thinking of the album they were on. I think I would have added some of them to my list if I had made a 22 song list (could restrain myself to only ten songs anyway :D ) For example, if think of the Album Oceanborn, I first think of songs like Stargazers, Gethsemane and Devil and the deep dark Ocean or Passion and the Opera. I also love Sacrament of Wilderness, but it is not a song that stuck with me over time. Same goes for End of all Hope or Slaying the Dreamer. I really loved those when the album Century Child came out, but somehow they didn't stick with me until now. Besides, Toumas, as the writer of the songs, has different view and emotional bond to the songs. Some of his songs my have a meaning to him that does not entirely reveal itself to the listeners.
but you have yet to hear the great soprano and the co-founder of Nightwish herself, the incredible Tarja Turunen....wishmaster, beauty and the beast, swanheart, elvenpath. sacrament of wilderness, end of all hope, slaying the dreamer, by her are divine
I think the difference between the band choice and the fan choice is one of how we place significance. I get that the historical progression of the band is of significance to the band. The fans, on the other hand, are going to go with their favourites. What really surprises me is that "Nemo" didn't make the fan list despite it's enormous popularity. We've all heard "Nemo". And then there's "End of All Hope". Any old Nightwish fan has to have an attachment to that one. Those are the anomalies that intrigue me. "Wish I had an Angel" and "Slaying the Dreamer" are up there in fan popularity, but I can understand why they might get left off of a fan list. The rest are songs that don't get much attention and so easily explained. "Nemo" is the big surprise.
Wow I'm SO excited for this journey!!! Can't wait for next year (my favourite songs are actually from the Imaginaerum album). About your decision to go for official album versions for reactions: I perfectly understand the choice but... You're going to miss A LOT. Some songs (like The Poet and the Pendulum and 7 days to the wolves) are absolutely to be experienced with Floor on stage. These two songs in particular won't communicate the same feelings and I think were underrated before Floor brought them to life. For both of these songs there are two official live videos with lyrics. Please do an exception when reacting to these songs (next year, sigh!). Can't wait for the first song. Take care and God bless!
I was not clear enough on this video : I will do a Studio version WITH LYRICS, + a live version. Like I always do, when possible. The song has to be less than 6 minutes, though.
Guylain Prince OFM oh that is good news indeed, but for example Poet and the Pendulum is about 14 minutes long and in my opinion the live version with Floor is just on a completely different level than the studio version with Anette, I hope with songs like that you will decide to pick the Floor version, even though the song itself is from an Era before her time with the band.
@@GuylainPrince...and there's a perfect version with lyrics of that Wembley version with Floor. That song and that video are my all time favourite song of Nighwish. I absolutely need a Time machine to switch to next year. Can't wait for your reaction / analysis
@@AlvenmodFotoThis is the story of NW, the albums have the names of the band, said Vocals Tarja Turunen,bass Sami Vaska instead Marko Hietala. Why in their 7 first albums who sung the previous singers we must hear the new one? This is the story of NW from the beginning still today.. if we have Floor from the beginning the history change, for 15 years NW grow up and selling albums with Tarja and Annette in vocals, made concerts, big tours in over the places, call them in big fastivals, made a movie all before Floor coming NW was already great and apsolute famous with Tarja and Annette. I believe little respect to former members of the band must be, also us who support this group from the beginning and we love the first era. This is not a competition who is better, this is the beginning of the band who both support,their inspiration at the time, the members of the band at the time, their first tour out of Finland in small clubs with only one album in their repertoire, the influences..... I am happy that Qulain start with the demo call Nightwish,their first song who named the band after. Sorry about my tone but i am angry because most of you wanted to hear songs who sung Floor with Marko but in the original songs sung Tuomas ,Tapio Wiska in three songs,no Marko Hietala he wasn't in the band in first 3 albums besides Floor never sung all of them there are about 35 songs maybe more who never sung. Floor have two albums with NW the last album is out because Qulain made already the analysis but she has the EFMB this is her album and is totally hers.
The Nightwish Army messed up, no question. At the very least, both Slaying the Dreamer and I Wish I Had An Angel are mandatory when doing any sort of Nightwish deep-dive. About the divergence of opinion between the bands picks and the fans picks, it's actually both really simple and really sad. (Once you listen to Poet and the Pendulum, you will see Tuomas himself highlighting what I am about to say here.) Nightwish fans can be some of the most fiercely loyal people in the world. But, many times, "sensationalist fans" get mixed in. These are people who love metal for its own sake...loud noises, driving beats, gritty growls, and endless shredding guitar riffs. If a song does not line up with what their perspective of what metal should be is, then the song itself is a bad song and is passed over entirely...nevermind the lyrics, the meaning, the message, it's place in the album. This is why the fans and even the prime minister harshly condemned Tuomas when he and the band fired Tarja. And this is why Tuomas wrote the Poet and the Pendulum. 😥
nice ... looking forward to this Friar Guylain ... the older fans may be more Tarja fans ... the younger fans may be more Floor fans ... that might be the reason for the difference ...
I think that some of the differences might have been influenced by the time we (the fans around here) discovered nightwish. It's well known that every nightwish "Era" has a distinctive sound, depending of the singer, so depending if we first listened to Tarja, Anette or Floor, our preferences could be different. The first time I listened to them was the 2013 wacken show, in which almost half of the songs where from an Anette album, and it was Floor singing, and after that the shows from tampere and wembley, in which there were very Tarja songs, so even that I like a lot of their old stuff, I'm more familiar to the Floor and Anette Era. Something similar might be happening with the old fans, they might have discovered nightwish in the second or third album, Or it might be just a statistical illusion, because nemo and wish i had an angel are classics :)
Looking forward to the journey - I think that the songs Tuomas and the band selected were less known (or too well known) by fans, but were discovered when played live durning the Decades concert. As I have heard other reactors said, they came to life and could suddenly be understood when interpreted by the band during these concerts. So, in a way, I respect your wish to react on the album version -- your channel, your rules -- but it would be great, if you took both the album and the live version of the song. Just an idea...
Seven Days to the Wolves, my good Friar, not Seven Days of the Wolves. But I will be greatly enjoying this journey. As per the difference/reason why I (or at least me) chose different songs. Prefacing this; all their songs are great. Undeniably. Some songs are true marvels of musical mastery even from the earliest beginning. There are just different tastes. The songs Nightwish, Sacrament of wilderness and Elvenpath are not resonating with me. the song End of all Hope bridges over from Bless the Child. Basically it's a two-part song and to me, when I listen to it, I listen to both anyway. Slaying the Dreamer is tied with some other songs from Century Child, so I had to pick. Wish I had an Angel and Nemo are tied for me and I personally decided to pick the other two that resonate more with me. My Walden is also one of the songs that I feel a bit less close with. But I do have to admit that I felt severely restricted by your numbering. :P The reason for DIvergence is pretty clear to me on The Angels Fall First, as this was basically an experiment where they were not yet fully fleshed out in their path, so the fans may be severely mixed. I am surprised myself about the divergence on Century Child and even moreso on Once. I do have to confess that I compiled a list of songs, separated by a general liking of mine, with 3 songs per each album, yet at the last three albums (previous 3 prior to Human:Nature) I basically had to break my own restriction because there were just too many great ones. I also compiled a list of songs that I personally felt showing or reflecting their spiritual/religious views very well (I obviously did not incorporate these songs into the first list, as a bit of a cheat to keep more space for more great songs). If you like, I can give this list as well.. Assuming I still find it....
The thing I did was to register the votes (quantity), but took note of the comments that were more "generous" (quality). Nothing has been lost! It will be considered in due time! If you want to add songs and relevant info, please, do so!
@@GuylainPrince Sounds good. I did indeed find the list again. Sorry for the long post ahead... Okay, first list will contain a set of 3 songs which I like from each album. At least I will try to restrain it to three. Angels fall first (1997, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Tuomas Holopainen): -Elvenpath -Beauty and the Beast -Angels fall First Oceanborn (1998, Singer: Tarja Turunen): -Devil and the Deep dark Ocean -Passion and the Opera -Pharaoh sails to Orion (Guest singer: Tapio Wilska) Wishmaster (2000, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala): Gotta break with my restriction of only 3 songs here. There are many great ones here. -She is my Sin (what a love-letter from Tuomas, set‘s see if you can figure out to whom...) -Deep Silent Complete -Dead Boys Poem (Tuomas once called it the most personal song he ever wrote (obviously before Poet and the Pendulum), so that has to be.) -FantasMic (as song about Walt Disney and the wonders he showed) Century Child (2002, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala) The first album I had of them. -Bless the Child/End of all Hope (Two songs in one as they flow into eachother. Yeah, I roll that way if I have to) -Forever Yours (a very mellow and calm song, but for some reason this song and Ocean Soul always make me feel out of place with the entire existence, I chose this one for no particular reason) -Phantom of the Opera (just has to be) -Beauty and the Beast (the longest song they made until this album and quite the master-piece) Once (2004, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala) Ouff… again hard to pick even only just 5…. -Wish I had an Angel (again quite the love-letter…) -Nemo -Creek Mary‘s Blood (just for the fact that they had an actual native american speak in Lakotan) -Romanticide (even love can be lethal….) -Ghost Love Score (just a must) Dark Passion Play (2007, Singers: Anette Olzon, Marko Hietala) Sorry, cannot do it anymore. There are going to be far more songs from now on… -Poet and the Pendulum (the most personal song Tuomas ever made. A metaphorical suicide.) -Master Passion Greed (Tuomas‘ reckoning with the reason why they lost Tarja, white brutally honest) -Cadence of Her last Breath -Whoever brings the Night (the beginning still sends chills down my spine) -The Islander (an only-Marko-song which is very well made, singing about looking back to a full life) -7 Days to the Wolves Imaginaerum (2011, Singers: Anette Olzon, Marko Hietala) First time Troy Donockley joins them. A concept album that ties in with a movie, so hard to pick songs without somewhat taking the meanings out of context. -Storytime (one more taking a step into the realm of imagination and dreaming realities) -I want my Tears back (growing up, we tend to get disenchanted when we realise the magic we saw as kids, is no longer there….) -Scaretale (a darker song, but still very impressive I find) -Turn loose the Mermaids (a more mellow song again, but a return to the magic, this time as an adult still!) -The Crow, the Owl and the Dove (let‘s see if you can figure this one out….) -Song of Myself (another longer song, looking back at past songs, past dreams and wonders, past achievements and losses, and looks ahead and dreams on…) Endless Forms most Beautiful (2015, Singers: Floor Jansen, Marko Hietala): If I could, I would put the whole album in here…. It is a giant tribute to science. And almost all songs made me cry tears of joy and pleasure of such masterpieces. -Shudder before the Beautiful (of creation… yeah) -Our Decades in the Sun (once more a love-letter, this time to parents) -My Walden (good Donockley had a stronger influence here and a great work came by) -Endless Forms most Beautiful (gotta have the titular song here) -The Greatest Show on Earth (their longest track so far and what a piece of magic it is. Tuomas really outdid himself there) This second list shows the progression of religious themes. Angels fall First: The Carpenter: As a religious person, I think you get, who this is about. Oceanborn: Gethsemane: Again a religious theme, this time a location. Wishmaster: The Kinslayer: A song about a school-massacre, the dialogues intermissing the lyrics are the words spoken by the murderer and its victims, according to the survivours. Most of them revolve around some godly view, which Tuomas obviously deemed important enough to highlight. Century Child: Slaying the Dreamer: Again more religious about how religious organisations twist the mesages of their messiahs. Once: Planet Hell: Child soldiers on their path to hell… Says it all. Dark Passion Play: Amaranth (inspired by a painting, it still carries a significant spiritual meaning) Eva (it does not go about the biblical Eva, but the stories can be related) Endless Forms most Beautiful: Weak Fantasy (first slap at religions, criticising the restrictions some impose) Yours is an Empty Hope (second slap at religions, calling them out)
Oh! I guess I missed the votes! Still, I can buckle in for the ride. There are some great songs in that second group of 8. Weak Fantasy is the one that I talked to you about, that think you will find challenging in the same way as Tribal. My Walden would have been in my 22 I think - such a beautiful song and undervalued. The problem is not that they are not loved, but that you need to allow 50 songs to get to the point where you picking anything other than the best (and then you are still picking great tracks). I seem to remember discovering Nightwish through the album "Once". It has a series of classics that still get a lot of love today.
Wow. We all have a great journey ahead. I have 2 hopes: I hope you'll react to some of the live versions too as you did with Epica. Second, I hope there will be no Anette-bashing and who's better discussions about the singers... Merci d'avance!
@@GuylainPrince Ouch, that is pity, many of the best NW songs are over 6min so no live :(:(:( For example album PatP is a terrible loss against the live, GLS... ok most of us know every note of the Wacken live so that will be survivable (to not have it)...
Oh 24 chansons !!! Je suis plus que ravie ! :D Comme le dit un autre commentaire plus bas, je suis déçue que vous n'ayez pas choisi Song of myself, j'aurais vraiment voulu avoir votre analyse du poème, surtout de sa dernière ligne que j'ai du mal à comprendre pcq je ne connais que trop peu le solfège. Pour essayer de répondre aux différences entre les fans ici sur RUclips et le Nightwish, je pense qu'effectivement beaucoup de gens ont découvert Nightwish grâce aux vidéos réaction sur youtube. Pour les anciens fans dont je fais partie, ces 8 chansons sont incontournables. Personnellement j'ai trop entendu Nemo et Wish I had an Angel, c'est pour ça que je ne les avais pas sélectionnées. My Walden n'est pas une de me chansons préférées ni d'ailleurs une des plus intéressantes de son album - à mon avis - donc pareil, je ne l'ai pas choisie. En revanche, Wishmaster, Oceanborn et Century Child sont encore à ce jour mes albums préférés de Nightwish sans doute à cause d'un attachement émotionnel particulier. Pour mon adolescence mais également pour l'OVNI qu'était Nightwish, ce power metal étrange chanté par une voix unique dans un style qu'on n'avait encore jamais vu dans le metal ou le rock. Alors oui, pour moi Sacrament of Wilderness, Elvenpath, End of all Hope et Slaying the Dreamer sont vraiment des pépites. Elles représentent les jeunes années de Tuomas avant qu'il ne trouve la paix. Je pense qu'il est devenu un meilleur compositeur et un meilleur parolier, je pense qu'il excelle dans sa discipline avec une précision d'horloger mais ce jeune homme écorché vif a disparu et c'est pourquoi, à mon avis, il n'écrira plus jamais de chansons aussi émotionnellement fortes que celles présentent sur ces 3 albums. Heureusement, vous avez choisi Gethsemane! Cette chanson comporte une de mes lignes préférées de Tuomas: "without you the poetry within me is dead". N'est-ce pas d'une beauté effroyable dans la plume d'un poète ? En ce sens, je regrette également que vous n'ayez pas choisi Come cover me, qui a été mentionnée plusieurs fois. Mais je comprends, on ne peut pas tout faire ! Je comprends votre démarche de vouloir passer un peu plus de temps sur le premier album mais à mon avis, ce premier album est loin d'être le meilleur parmi les anciens albums. C'est un peu un coup d'essai, un peu timide. Pour moi les 3 suivants que j'ai mentionné ci-dessus sont beaucoup plus représentatifs de qui était Tuomas à l'époque et du style musicale qui a propulsé Nightwish sur le devant de la scène. J'ai hâte d'entamer ce voyage avec vous Guylain ! :)
Elle est sur ma liste, ai-je fait une erreur dansla vidéo? Merci pour votre généreux commentaire. J'ai voulu m'assurer d'avoir une sélection satrisfaisante de chaque album. Je crois y être arrivé, avec vous tous.
@@GuylainPrince Song of myself? Alors j'ai juste bêtement répété ce que j'ai lu dans un autre commentaire :) Oui, vous avez là une très belle sélection ! J'ai vraiment hâte d'avoir votre avis éclairé sur ces chansons, je suis certaine que je vais apprendre beaucoup de choses :) Amitiés de Bruxelles
I'm really looking forward this! This final set is awesome! Just take a look on The Beauty AND the Beast, there are two songs with similar name that get confused, and I personally prefer Beauty OF the Beast wich is for me way better. Maybe you could do a poll here in the community section of youtube just between those two to clarify. But anyway the journey will be epic with whenever of those!
Well, I tried to interprete the suggestions from the fans and I am sure that some wrote "Beauty AND the Beast" (Century Child) and vice versa. Some wrote "with Tarja". So, I did my best. I would say that is was a close call. I chose the "AND" version to have three songs from the first album.
@@GuylainPrince I am sure most fans voted for Beauty OF the Beast - not Beauty AND the Beast. It is very easy to make a mistake here as the titles are so similar. But BOTB is the one you should go for - it is a beast of a song!
beauty and the beast is from angels fell first, Tarja singing with Tuomas. Beauty of the beast is from century child. Both amazing songs 🤩. New fans didn't know yet because Floor never sung them.
@@GuylainPrince It must be Beauty OF the Beast, which is a remarkable song, one of the best of the Tarja era, while Beauty and the Beast is a lot more meh in my opinion at least. Probably many wrote AND because the phrase "beauty and the beast" is such a common one. Might I suggest adding a live video to each reaction? Many songs gain so much live, especially with Floor. Pretty please. For example, Romanticide, Yours Is An Empty Hope, Poet and the Pendulum, I Want My Tears Back, 7 Days to the Wolves are all vastly better live with Floor. I'd go so far as to say that the live versions should take precedence. Actually, I believe that many viewers will scream for the live versions in the comments, and I think you will do a disservice to yourself by not listening to them.
@Guylain Prince OFM sorry I'm late. Great selection. Very important to do the songs in order indeed (for continuity of certain songs). I also hope you'll prepare yourself with the 4 parts of Lappi (Angels Fall First). Not to react, but for your own pleasure. Like you did with 'Nature' before 'Human'.
@@GuylainPrince Yes, it would be a shame if you missed it (Lappi = Lapland). The link should be in the other comment box of the video where we provided our Top-10s.
Just one addendum: I still remain confused whether fans truly chose "Beauty AND the Beast" as a song to represent early NIGHTWISH (instead of "Elvenpath" or "Astral Romance", really?..), and not "Beauty OF the Beast", the final epic off "Century Child" album. I would be interested for the fans that cast their vote to confirm they truly upvoted the earlier song a "5 stars", instead of the latter. Yes, in cases like this small details are important!! :]]] Smart play with titles by the main composer, but the 2 songs are quite different, and, while both immersive listening, with the second one we get much more mature lyrics from Tuomas, that dovetail with his by-then formed artistic philosophy. I will listen with pleasure to either one. But I wanna know, which one. Anybody help?
I did an exercice of trying to interprete all the Beauty *** the beast. The fans themselves were confused (ex : Beauty of the Beat with Tarja, or B&the Beast (Century Child). So, I chose the one that seemed with one or two more votes. But is was a close call.
@@GuylainPrince It is still good. Just a little funny that some people could confuse the title of their favorite song. :) Btw, both "Beauties" were always with Tarja. At least I do not know of any decent recording with other vocalists.
I would say the reason of difference of band and fans. I guessing live performance. Nightwish is a live band. The album versions are good but fans love them live. Then you also have the 3 different singers. Floor being the most popular.
Looks to be a fairly decent spread. Some of the earlier material I am not as familiar with, I came on board around the time of Dark Passion Play (thankfully missed the whole Tarja/Anette screaming matches between fans).I have a soft spot for Elvenpath, it's the first song I ever encountered from Nightwish. A total random chance view on you tube while looking for something from Lord of the Rings. The demo is crucial and displays the interconnectivity from then through today and what will come. I really appreciate the plan to listen to the studio and live versions whenever possible, some have been unbelievably refined from the studio release to Decades: Buenos Aires. We are in for an interesting journey.
So interesting journey is starting. Hope you start with the song "Nightwish". Just I wrote this you mentioned it in 4:09. Where are (are there) Carpenter, Sacrament of Wilderness, Wishmaster and Nemo...cornerstones of the path of NW?
Wow, Slaying the dreamer and End of All Hope didn’t make the cut. Century Child is by far one of the best Nightwish albums. Its the album that got Nightwish back on their feet after Tuomas had thoughts of not continuing Nightwish. As well as introduced Marcos amazing vocals. Rather important album in my opinion.
Guylain Prince OFM well I look forward to your journey through Nightwish history! Your analysis of the lyrics always opens up a new beautiful perspective on every song, very much look forward to it!
@Guylain Prince OFM 🤯 I just realised going back through the list that 'Alpenglow' (We Were Here) didn't make it either ⁉️ Tuomas once called it 'The Ultimate Nightwish song' (Then again it didn't make it on the Decades album either) It is however the end song of basically every concert. Maybe just use it as an end tune in the background?
For me, who really wasn't a huge fan until Floor came along and now enjoying the old catalogue primarily (exclusevily) via live performances from Floor this approach was somewhat disappointing. Not only because I prefer pretty much every song with Floor from the original version. Also because Nightwish really shines the brightest live. But, although I am disappointed that many of my favorite songs from pre-Floor will now be studio with Anette or Tarja and not the incredible performances from Floor, I will follow the journey with an open mind and of course being very grateful to you for doing this, 24 songs is quite a massive undertaking and I think all fans, both the ones such as me who discovered and loves Nightwish with Floor aswell as the elders who have been with the band from the early days.
I will do a Studio version (with Lyrics) AND a live version (when the song is under 6 minutes). In the reaction vids... So, don't worry. Everything will be wide open for you, and for me.
24 songs in a row! It's going to be one heck of the Journey. But count me in, Captain! 💂 Some might argue, why original versions and not some maybe better live versions. But it's a just decision, because we are dealing mostly with lyrics here. Maybe later we can take the another tour to "favorite live performances" (30 songs or something like that) 😅. Also I noticed that because Nightwish has released about 100 songs, there are some of my favorites missing. That's how massive production they've done in over two decades.
No, don't worry! It is a mistake I made in the video : there will always be the studio version (with lyrics) AND a live version, the one suggested by the fans. I will be happy, but I think that the fans too!
Bonjour, en fait je connais tout le répertoire de Nightwish et si mes choix se distinguent de ceux de Tuomas c'est parce que je voulais avoir votre avis sur ces titres en particulier. En attendant j'ai hâte d'écouter vos réactions. Bonne continuation.
Merci ! Un fan de longue date, parlant français? Vous serez précieux, cher ami, dans les prochains mois. N'hésitez pas à nous revenir avec vos réflexions!
Beaucoup la suggéraient, c'est juste qu'elle ne s'est pas classée parmi les première. Et ils semble y avoir de la confusion avec une chanson plus ancienne. C'est certain que je vais l'écouter en cours de route!
You have missed one,,,one that will not be played in any arenas,,,,bcs Toumas dedicated it to the parents to al in the band and relatives, its a beutifull song and often overlocked,,its Decades in the sun its a beutifull song with heart warming lyrics, all the best to you :)
I can of course only speak for myself. I left out some songs that I love a lot musically, but that don't speak as much to me lyrically. Also, I prioritized songs that I'd like to see your analysis for. My resulting list of 10 doesn't coincide with my list of favorites. Your list of 8 songs we didn't select includes 3 of my favorite songs that I didn't chose to suggest.
Oh, forgot to add a quick question to my previous comment: is it going to be Beauty AND the Beast or Beauty OF the Beast? Because those are two different songs :)
Salut Guylain, Surely gonna be a long journey we go on now yes, that you chose this Demo song is very good, i didnt even think of this one myself as i selected 10 songs, its a pretty good song still, you will see, i like you did chose to cover those older albums to, only reason i didnt selcet from those was the cut of 10 songs, but with the selection of 24 songs these would get starting getiing in my selection as well, and Oceanborn have even been my favorite album at a period, so its not because i do not like the older songs at all, and it have to be there, to get the NW journey right, no doubt.. so lets start this journey, im ready:)
Hello René. After counting anew, we found out that I made few mistakes and placed "Beauty AND the Beast" instead of "OF the Beast". I am please to tell you that it will be "Beauty OF the Beast".
Waiting for it. Why only studio versions? Live Performances are often better than the Studio versions and there are many high quality videos out there. But it is a way to avoid the neverending singer discussion.
Bonjour Guylain,, Following your exchange with Centurio Brutuz (below), I realised that your decision to go through the albums chronologically is entirely logical, and in many ways easier for everyone to understand. I am glad that you have clarified that you will be reacting to BOTH studio and live versions. However, many of the replies on your poll (including mine) were quite specific as to which live versions to listen/react to, with the vast percentage listing Floor's contemporary versions as the preferred choice. Will you be using these recommendations? I am concerned that your reactions will be Tarja-heavy if you choose to journey chronologically with live performances as well! Looking forward to beginning our collective journey next week. Take care Guylain.
I took note of everything, in terms of suggestions for the live versions. I will have to make choices, but everything is in my database, dear friend! I WILL NOT be, all the time, on Tarja LIVE version. It will depend. Judgment call on every case.
Looking forward to them, to bad you do the studio versions. Live with Floor is so much better. PatP with Annet for instance....your loss. So You lost me there...but have fun and see you next year when it’s Floor’s turn 😉
You misunderstood! It is studio album (with lyrics) + live version. Like I did with EPICA. :-) Whenever available. It is clearly written on the screen, but I forgot to tell it! :-)
If you want to see Floor is every where in RUclips, Floor's fans and NW's fans is two different things i believe. You didn't understand that it's not reaction 😂 like used to, this is analysis about the lyrics and music. No matter who sung the music and the lyrics are the same. You want to loose Annete's era?Why? The most selling albums?
@@GuylainPrince you showed the song on the last list (least voted). From that, I understood that they are songs that do not make the final list. PS: sorry for my english, i'm from Brazil.
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Will be watching & listening and don’t forget it’s a l journey of discovery that’s what the Nightwish Army loves.🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
That is me : completely out of nowhere, nos interested by "ratings" and if it is a hit or not. I love to listen to good music, and we will! Peace!
Wow, that is going to be an amazing journey!
Regarding the 8 songs that Tuomas selected and not the fans on RUclips (and vice versa):
Basically all songs are less popular with the RUclips crowd, probably because there is less spectacle in the songs when it comes to live performances, which means less of a 'reaction', so less entertaining to watch for many people. I guess that is also the reason why eight other songs were chosen instead.
In that way I'm pretty surprised that Beauty and the Beast was selected, because it's not really a reaction favourite.
Elvenpath is actually a pretty interesting song that - in my opinion - also kind of defines the earlier Nightwish. I only didn't suggest it in my post because I had to choose 1 song per album and I thought that The Carpenter would be a more interesting choice for you, but otherwise it would have been my suggestion, also because it is the very first song that I've ever heard from Nightwish.
Wish I had an Angel and Nemo are basically all-time fan favourites that everyone has heard way too many times, so that could be another reason why those songs were not popular in the voting.
Excellent comment, as always, dear friend. Ready for 6 montsh of Nighwish (maybe not in one shot, though!).
who doesn't remember the "elvenbath" :)
I believe Tuomas wanted the new fans to listen his previous work because new fans didn't like Tarja and Annette never visit the old albums because they had Wacken, bloodstock and knew only the songs who Floor happen to sung.
I believe that devil and the deep dark ocean it was completely unknown to them but not anymore.
The second reason for me i believe that they wanted an official video for some songs, they made stargazers before,yes it's an excellent song who unfortunately they never put it in a DVD from Tarja's era. Also 10th man down who is fantastic song.
Totally Tuomas put in decades DVD his first work for be known to new fans , to please the older and to have official videos from the older songs.
Very clever in my opinion but that's only my thoughts.
I'm so excited! This will be a great journey for you and for us!
As for the differences in song choices: I very much like the old Nightwish albums and especially Once which got me into Nightwish. And I agree with Tuomas' choice that they are indeed relevant for the bands development and repertoire. But I also find the newer Nightwish albums much more interesting thematically, especially with regards to your style of lyric analysis.
This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree :-)
Thanks for making this series!
Wow, already a good interpretation of these differences. I like it!
Looking forward to it, funny, My Walden is my absolute favourite song.
It was a 4 stars... almost made the cut!
22 songs! (+ 2) Holy amazement! I’m so excited for this journey! Squealing with joy with this journey!
I knew you would appreciate, dear friend from Ontario!
Guylain Prince OFM Oops. I’m from Missouri, but I’m open to visiting Ontario some day. 😉
Oh, missed this one! You are so familiar to the chat and the videos, I got confused. I though you were MissDragonfly, I am certain you saw, here and there.
Guylain Prince OFM 😀
Great, looking forward to this journey...
It's a big surprise that NEMO didn't get any more support. It was a big hit in 2004 across Europe and brought a huge number of new fans to the band.
Completely surprised as well! Sometimes, people look for "outside if the hits", and sometimes not : "Amaranth" is there".
YAYYYYY 🥰
Edit: I'm so very excited to join you on this journey.
And the song selections made me smile because I see a few underrated gems on that list that a lot of people seem to overlook.
Excellent! Glad to se that you are on board!
Oh yes, this will be so much fun! Really looking forward to it!
:-)
Great, thank you🇫🇮!
Thanks!
Trois-Rivières represents here! Et fan ansolue de Nightwish depuis une quinzaine d'années en plus de cela. ;)
WOW! Pamela, il faut ABSOLUMENT prendre un café ensemble, un de ces jours! Connais-tu d'autres fans?
This is a great thing! I really look forward to this journey!
Yes, me too!
An important difference between the band and fans choices is that they were building a set list, which has different requirements in terms of pacing and energy levels, which might change the choices quite a bit.
Excellent comment! I thought of that too!
@@GuylainPrince agree, tried to make a list with as much diversity as I could think of (Do not know every song, but...) and surely not complete... but together we got a fine list...I did select Elvenpath, by the way, but all has to do with personal taste of course.
Great journey ahead!! This is going to be exciting, for sure. I see several favorites in the list. Thanks for your enthusiasm, fray Guylain!
You are welcome!
Hello! I'm so excited about this journey, can't wait!
Talking about the songs the band choosed but not the fans; a few of them really are close to the soul of the band (Elvenpath especially), there is the right atmosphere but they do sound...well...old. Good old, but still, something like 20 years later you can really feel the difference in the sound and sophistication of lyrics, and many of us simply like it more. Tuomas made a terrific personal journey as a man and as an artist, and this really echoes in the whole repertoire. I find a different peace and beauty in the newer song in comparison to the tormented, dark, heavy sounds of the first albums.
Wish I Had an Angel and Nemo are so popular that I'm sick and tired of them and I believe that many fans simply feel the same. End of All Hopes is great. My Walden is amazing and it's a pity it didn't made to the Fan's Cut (Especially for Troy, he's the soul of the song and this is the first one in an album as a permanent member of the band, and the real begenning of the experimentation he allows the band with his many instruments).
I'm so so sad about Beauty OF the Beast, please consider to listen to the song at least just for yourself or give a look at the lyrics: it's a terrific song, worth of so much of your time and passion. It's romantic, sad, desperate, dark and deep. Dripping their "dark fairy tale" signature style back then.
I also agree with what someone already said: you will see pretty clearly how the band's vision on religion developes and changes as long as their members (Tuomas mostly for obv reasons) grow up. Religion is a big part of the journey (What a pity that none of the "Egyptian songs" were nominated!), and what you so strongly disliked in Tribal is its peak, so it's going to be interesting see you start from the beginning.
Greeting from Italy!
Grazie mille, caro amico! Trovo molto interessanti i punti da lei menzionati. Spero che vi piaccia questo viaggio attraverso le canzoni dei Nightwish! Spero di vedervi lì. Spero che i sottotitoli in italiano aiutino un po'. Vedo che non sono perfetti, e a volte anche sbagliati. Ma, nelle condizioni attuali, non posso farci niente.
Merci beaucoup, cher ami! Je trouve les points que tu mentionnes for intéressant. J'espère que tu apprécieras ce voyages à travers les chansons de Nightwish! Au plaisir de t'y croiser. J'espère que les sous-titres en italien aident un peu. Je peux voir qu'ils ne sont pas parfaits, et parfois même fautifs. Mais, dans les présentes conditions, je ne peux pas faire autrement.
@@GuylainPrince Je suis une fille :) Je vais te dire si les sous-tires ne sont pas bons du tout, je n'en ai pas besoin moi-meme parce que je comprend (à l'écoute quand-meme!) trés bien francais et anglais, donc je peux te donner un feedback.
à la prochaine mon ami, et excus-moi mon francais qui est trés rouillé
Thank you thank you thank you I am so excited
:-)
Thank you for this. I am a relatively new fan of Nightwish so I am looking forward to discovering some of the songs I am not familiar with. Should hopefully be interesting, enjoyable and rewarding 😁👍
I am sure it will!
I’m so hyped for upcoming videos 😄
Me too, to be frank!
Amazing. I'm sure I'm gonna learn a lot more about Nightwish. 🇫🇮
well, I will, as well!
Looking forward. Super!!
:-)
Can’t wait! I love your epic breakdowns & lyrical analyses. It’s going to be a wonderful journey.
thanks! Just begun, Wednesday by recording my reaction to the demo! It was a fantastic experience! It will be a fun ride!
I'm looking forward to this 😁👍
Excellent!
I am looking forward for your excellent analysis. I am going to learn things I've never noticed myself about songs I've been listening for over 20 years.
Imagine me! Learning so much, these days!
Can’t wait for this journey 🤘🤘🤘
Wasn't that a great start? A nice demo, this afternoon!
Guylain Prince OFM it was and it will be a great journey to see the evolution of Nightwish through years
Really looking forward to this journey. Thank you.
You are and will be welcome!
Great, i am really looking forward to this journey, just like many of us i think
And me too!
Can't wait for this journey, it will be so amazing, because the music is so amazing too. What a wonderful fall this will be :) kiitos.
Peace to you, dear friend! It will be a GREAT fall for me too!
❤️
:D
🤘🇫🇮 online - As a single member of Nightwish army I hope that many of us seconds this:
No matter who or what you listen and who's voice you go throught. We visit here to support and appreciate your contribution to symphonic metal music, not to judge.. 👍
Thanks! It will be a great. I think that the main "problem" with the NW Army it that many are attached to a certain singer or a certain era of the band. My journey will be appreciative of all the NW members (singers) and the different kinds of music they playes along their career. The rest is not my concern.
Wow.
Don't really know what else to say. Thank you already for all your effort and devotion. Merci beaucoup!
My pleasure and my privilege!
Another reason to look forward to Wednesdays, thanks Guylain! I am sure that this will be an unforgetable journey for us all!!
Thanks! Really looking forward as well. The Demo (already recorded) is fascinating already!
Great Qulain Thank you.
Love the list,will be epic journey.
Personally I know all the NW songs even the demo who i like it very much.
But i am a very old fan.
New fans have opinion for everything but known only 1/3 of the songs, the songs who be sung by Floor .
The journey will be great for us to remember and for new to learn the real NW of the beginning.
Studio album is perfect,are the original songs with the original mempers of the band that time.
So many songs so difficult to choose,i love them all,i am sure that was difficult for you too.
I like the finish of this video 😂 the music 🎶 Nightwish.
Thanks! Yes, I love this idea of discovering NW through their history. It will be EPIC!
@@GuylainPrince Do you really believe now , Qulain that all those people want to know the story of NW? Few maybe, mostly want to see Floor and hear from you that she is amazing and she sung better than Tarja and Annette and will said nonsense for the previous singers.
In every older performance or video song who visited, are there to said that she is better than Tarja or Annette and many more.
Plenty of them didn't understand what you really will do.
Good luck to this journey Qelain, will be difficult.
merci beaucoup , j'ai tellement hâte sa va aitre une super parcoure trais intéressante et enrichissant , je vais apprendre beaucoup sa va aitre génial , merci beaucoup , et je serais la pour ceux fabuleux voyage **O**
J'"y compte bien! La démo était cet après-midi. La réponse a été phénoménale, même si c'est seulement.... une démo! Ils sont fous ses fans de Nightwish!
This will be a fun journey!
Yes!
Hi Guylain, perfect, I'm really looking forward! See you there.
Excellent!
Glad to see that you chose Elvenpath to be on the list. I voted for it and the song is special for me as it was the song that hooked me to the band back in the 90s. First song on the CD, first song I heard from them and was hooked. I was very much into fantasy literature at that time and that song just evoked so many things I liked.
I was surprised that Elvenpath did NOT make the cut, as suggested by Tuomas. I will not do it, but curious to understand why so few votes.
@@GuylainPrince @Guylain Prince OFM I guess I was one of the few who voted for Elvenpath. Musically it's a really excellent song but I picked it because I think that Tuomas lyric writing ability has really evolved as he has gotten older. After your review of Human Nature, I tried to pick songs that would be really interesting for you to analyze the lyrics. And my personal opinion is Tuomas has really improved with his skill at writing lyrics as the band has evolved with the latest album being his lyrical masterpiece. However, you are far more skilled than I at studying lyrics so I cannot wait to hear your analysis and thoughts as you take this incredible 22 song journey. Fortunately you opted for other early songs so you should have a great sample to draw from to see how Tuomas has changed over time.
Ah, I misunderstood the lists as I was jogging as I listened. Too bad it didn't make the cut, as it is an important song, being the first song of the first album. Like Will said, it does show how everyone on the group has grown on their art during the years. As I've listened to the song again, you can definitely tell that it's.. I'd maybe describe it as clumsier in its execution, than their recent songs, showing how Tuomas has evolved and grown during all the years, but there is still that something earnest in that song that still lies underneath Tuomas' writing. As it's a fantasy song in its premise, I like to compare it to Edema Ruh in a way to look at young Nightwish and more experienced Nightwish.
@@CorporalCookie Indeed, I think the fantasy elements in their songs were more prominent in the earlier songs with Elvenpath being an excellent example but fantasy certainly has not disappeared in the Floor era as you point out with Edema Ruh.
Un grand merci pour la francophonie , et ce choix une musique francais puis anglais est vraiment très bon , merci encore ^^.
De rien, cher ami. Je tiens absolument à mon identité de francophone, mais je tiens aussi à bien servir la communauté des abonnés qui écoutent, à 80% la trame anglaise et les sous-titres anglais. J'ai dû faire un choix.
This is great! I'm really looking forward to this journey.
Me too!
Great selection :) Looking forward to it !
Excited as well, here!
Great! Almost 6 months with Nightwish! I am so happy(and relieved) that although I excluded them from my choice-list(because I had to choose only 10)," 'Elan", "The Poet & The Pendulum" and "Sacrament Of Wilderness" made it! And please, let's make sure that it was "Beauty AND The Beast" (from Angels Fall First-Album) that has been chosen instead of "Beauty OF The Beast"(from Century Child-Album). These two tend to be confused by many.Personally,I hope it's "Beauty OF The Beast"(from Century Child-Album) that has been chosen,but if it's the other,no problem of course,I will enjoy it.I was expecting "Alpenglow"(from Endless Forms Most Beautiful-Album) which is considered the "ultimate Nightwish song" by Tuomas himself,to make it to the final list,but it didn't.That's life!
Greetings!
The fans themselves were not accurate on this one. I had to make a choice on my best judgment. Sadly, we could have missed a great one (Beauty of the Beast). Imperfect, but best intentions.
@@GuylainPrince No doubt for the best intentions.Perhaps the choice of this one was for the best. One thing is sure:It will be a fantastic ride!
I'm excited for this journey!! Every Nightwish song has a special space in my heart so been able to only choose 10 it was heartbreaking eheh So the songs that you mentioned that we (the fans) do not choose (I wish i had a angel, my walden, and the other ones) are simply amazing and each one carry beautiful and well written lyrics! I mean Tuomas cannot write bad lyrics, but only 10 songs??... that's hard. Like there's one song that they played in Decades in 2018 that are from the early albums (i don't remember where now) that i truly love called "Deep silent complete" that you even not mentioned on your list and so on! For us it is worth to look and analyse every single lyric/song because they all are really special and no one it's equal to another and maybe you can do for yourself in some songs. But i can sure you that i Rock on and feel with everything in me every single song that you said that weren't choosen for this jorney at first, every single one! Cheers *Guylain* and a great Journey to you, excited to see you on the Nightwish track and to able to see what Tuomas lyrics will do to you! Much love from Portugal!
Peace to you! It will be nice to see your name again, along the way!
@@GuylainPrince - It will be a pleasure to watch you in this Journey!
I really can't wait! 😊🤟👍😊
:D
looking forward for the Nightwish journee with you Guylain and the Nightwish Army/Family. Stay safe🤘❤
Thanks!
Thank you. Kiitos FI.
You're welcome!
Ca va être une superbe ballade dans leur répertoire!
Oui! J'ai vraiment aimé leur démo, même si c'est vraiment différent. On sent déjà ce qui s'en vient!
bonjour guilain votre liste et parfaite merci pour les francophones
De rien, l'ami Au plaisir de vous recroiser!
@@GuylainPrince je serai toujours au rendez-vous j apprend beaucoup sur vôtre chaine epica et nightwish son des groupes que j écoute du soir au matin car je travail la nuit et la j écoute the life and times of scrooge produit par tuomas magnifique
Can't Wait :)
Me neither!
Winter is coming.
Stack up the firewood.
Cure the bacon.
Stock up on barley, corn and hops ( take it easy on yourselves, me hearties - it is called beer and available in a shop near you).
Winter is coming.
But the Nightwish Army will not be suffering from a winter's depression.
Comfort and solace will be brought by a friar who will digest a boatload of Nightwish songs.
Winter is coming.
It will pass swiftly into spring.
Thanks, friar.
Hé hé hé! I love it!
I agree with others that Nemo and Wish I Had an Angel were suggested less because they are somewhat overplayed. The problem of most older songs for me is their lyrics. Tuomas said in a Decades tour interview he has to give a lot of credit to Floor, Marko and Troy that they were actually able to sing some of the lyrics with a straight face, and he named Elvenpath as a good example. But some songs from the first albums are simply brilliant, like Sleeping Sun that has withstood all tests of time and vocals. My Walden is a wonderful song, I think it got a bit less support just because it doesn't stand out for most people. Not in the "yes, it's in my top 10!" way - but it still puts a smile on everybody's face :)
I'm still sad all the slower and more soulful Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum songs got left out (would have preferred them to Nemo and WIHAA), but well, such is the way of life and the majority of the fanbase :)
Nemo did not make the cut, surprisingly! I will listen to all of the albums in due time.
Ah, sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention to realize 15+8+8 does not actually make 24. My apologies!
If you had unlimited time, almost every song could become a favorite worthy of a reaction.
Ha ha ha! I have to be eternal!
Welcome Brother! An amazing journey awaits us! I am very happy that I will be able to do it with you! It will be good to see your hits on all these amazing songs - I have been listening to Nightwish for many years and know all the songs on your list - some I listen to more often, some less, but I appreciate all of them. I am glad that you will reach for the old songs of the band - they are often little known today and presented by you will let many younger listeners learn about the history of the band.
I respect your decision that you listen primarily to the studio versions, and only when you allow the live version - it does not quite suit me, because Nightwish is a band that thrives live - I usually listen to them live and my first thought after hearing your words it was - I will have a hard time listening to these songs without the audience reacting (most songs are longer than the time you specified). But I thought for a moment and said - there will be no reaction from the audience, but what is most important and what we really come to you for - it will be your reaction! And then there will be something that is most important to me personally - your analysis. I don't know anyone else who would do such a deep analysis of songs - this is a great value for you and your channel, it was the analyzes that caught my attention and made me keep waiting for your new films, because thanks to them I often notice something that I missed, I understood differently, or I just didn't pay attention.
I think there is one track - actually two - but this one in particular - "The Poet And The Pendulum" - that you should react to when listening to the live version, especially since there is a very good quality video with lyrics (https: // www. ruclips.net/video/iEzZRMthhXU/видео.html). Why do I think so? I mean emotions, the studio version sung by Anette is very good, but the Floor version is masterful! That's because Floor put herself into this song - not only vocally but also emotionally, which is clearly visible! This may be important to your reaction - it doesn't matter to the analysis, because the text doesn't change. I do not hide that I am waiting in detail for your analysis of this piece. The reactions are important - especially the first - I can still see your reaction to "Shoemaker" - Laudato Si - remember? Great reaction - joy, emotion, surprise - that's it! That is why I encourage you to watch "The Poet And The Pendulum" from the link I posted - not for me, because I know it very well, but for you!
The second track I mentioned is "The Greatest Show On Earth -Tampere 2015" - again there is a version with lyrics (ruclips.net/video/bl6lUfIMkGM/видео.html) - great performance - it's worth making an exception to the rule !!
O Brother - I will spend long hours with you in your room - I am glad that you want to welcome me there!
I believe that you never saw live the poet and the pendulum by Annete.
If you said that Floor put all her emotions in the song , think about Annete that time,she was already a mother, NW made the two years tour, the biggest still today, Tuomas said that almost killing them, Annete took divorce and had battle of the castody of his child with her ex husband.
She crying almost every time who sung this song and in Sao Paolo or Rio show she couldn't finish the song and left crying from the scene.
But maybe you most new fans have not see Annete's live DVD because they have not official. But for me who i am old NW fan ,i have find a lot from festivals and some from the audience no good but thankfully have some.
Always the eras have something to say,the ages, the break ups, the members, the decades influences and so many other.
This journey must be more interesting for the new fans because we know already their past but we want to have the analysis from Qulain , i believe that the first era with Tarja have some deep feelings in Tuomas lyrics, especially to century child, Tuomas said that this is his most dark album,i always believed that DPP was. But he is the songs writer and knows better..
@@stasa-X As for the fact that you think I haven't heard the live version of Anette, then you are wrong - I've watched and listened to it many times, and listened to the studio version of course. Neither one nor the other touched me - I was deeply touched by the text - that's for sure - it still touches me. The studio version is very good, but not delightful - just a well-made song with deep lyrics - this lyrics is its value. The live version may not be disappointing - I can't say so - but much worse for me. Don't get me wrong - I value Anette as a singer and it hurts me how many harsh words from some of the band's fans fell on her - some of them have certainly reached her and this is not nice for anyone, especially for her. She is a very good singer - she proved it on albums, but unfortunately she failed to do it at concerts - it was her biggest problem - unfortunately for the band and unfortunately for her.
Coming back to "The Poet And The Pendulum" - when I listened to her live performance, something did not suit me from the beginning - her emotions seemed detached from the song. I did not follow Anette's private life - I respect privacy and separate my private life from public life, but your entry sheds new light on my feelings and confirms that my impression was not unfounded - the lyrics made her private emotions return to her and caused the reaction we saw. It wasn't the song itself that triggered her emotions, but what she experienced herself - I inexplicably caught my eye, even though I didn't know what I had learned from you.
That's why I wrote that only Floor showed the real emotions flowing from the song itself and put her heart into it, because it was her performance that really captivated me.
Don't get me wrong - what I am writing is just my opinion and my feelings - this is how I perceive it and you can perceive it differently and I respect it - each of us is different and some things are seen in our own way. I respect your opinion - I hope you respect mine!
Greetings from Poland!
@@marek3707 I do respect your opinion, even i can't agree completely with you but I like the way who explain to me your feelings and emotions about that so I can understand you completely.
So I can talk to you from my perspective.
Those two albums with Annete were best selling and i believe that fans loved both. I saw a lot of concerts with her almost all from festivals and some from audience in RUclips of course,i had not the fortune to see them live still today.
In every concert who saw she was perfect to her songs and sung Tarja's songs with a different style but good in my opinion because she has different voice and not the classical studies of Tarja.Tuomas knew that from the beginning.
She always was emotional,has good contact with the audience, said jokes and had good chemistry with the members of the band.
I saw the audience to enjoying to dancing to crying and i am enjoying all the concerts.
I don't understand why do you say, she is a not good in live?
I have read comments hundreds of them that she is good in studio albums and not in live.
And always i wondering who am I mistaken?
What others see and i don't.
Was the Tarja's era fans who hates Annete? It's Floor's fans who want to prove that Floor is better?
Maybe i am wrong because I have no studies in music and can understand the note E6.
Or it's a caramel as we say in my country something who repeat again and again , all have seen something but no one finally never seen?
I want your comments for this because you said that have see a lot of times Annete's concerts and must be NW fan and no particular fan of some singer.
My greetings from Greece.
@@stasa-X Thank you for your opinion! It is as you say - Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are excellent albums and no one will pick it up Anette, because she participated in their creation and she sang these songs first. You are also right to say that both Anette and the band knew from the start that She was not Tarja's second, and yet they decided they wanted to hang out together. In general, I think Anette had a damn difficult task deciding to replace Tarja in the band - she knew how Tarja sang, she knew fans would compare them, she knew she would have to sing Tarja's songs differently because she wasn't Tarja. But she had the courage to do it - and she did - I respect her very much for this courage! I don't think many female singers at the time would have done this. And She did it!
It's very interesting what you say - that maybe if we hear an opinion very often, we end up taking it as our own and as fact. "Anette is good in the studio, but she can't do concerts." I heard this sentence often, and a few years ago I started to wonder about it myself - is it also my own opinion, or have I been suggested by others? How could I find out? Very simple - I started listening to Anette on the albums and the same songs live (except Tarja's songs because they were only live). And I found that on Anette's albums it gets to me personally more - that's just my personal feeling. That's why I wrote it in reply to you.
I could never understand the violent disagreements of NW fans over which of the vocalists is better - Tarja, Anette or maybe Floor? I didn't take part in these discussions because in my opinion they don't make sense - they are all the history of the band and they all deserve the same respect - that's my opinion.
I know that maybe it's stupid what I will say, but I dream of a special concert - after all, soon the band's anniversary - a concert with a full orchestra on stage (something like an Epica retrospect) and with the current line-up of the band and Tarja, Anette, Sami with them, John Two-Hawks ... Especially John I would like to see NW playing and singing again - so many years have passed and I keep coming back to it ...
Is it possible? As for the performance with an orchestra, I think it can happen - for the rest, unfortunately I think it's just my dreams, but it's good to dream sometimes, right?
You say you haven't seen Nightwish live - I wish you did! I was at their concert in Krakow, Poland in 2018. It was worth it! Was it some special, unforgettable concert? No, it was the same concert they had hundreds around the world. Was I thrilled - damn! If I had known beforehand what I would see and hear, would I still want to buy a ticket and go - I would have done it without hesitation! Have a nice evening, Anastasia!
@@marek3707You are a wonderful writer and you speak very good English indeed.I understand everything you said and I agree completely with you to all.
Thank you for gave me an answer and told me about your live experience in NW concert in Cracow.
This year 2020 i wanted to see them ln Vienna early December but unfortunately i can't ,i don't know about the future now if 2021 the concerts continue or not because covid ,it's too early to know.
You have absolutely right about Annete, she is a fighter she dive so deep and she proven to all of us that she is a very good singer with her own way.
Your dream ,are my dream also and not only ours but i believe now that maybe become true.
I have a deep feeling inside me that maybe happen sooner, i listen both Tarja and Tuomas interviews recently and I understood that their friendship is in a good point now.
Also always had professional relationship with emails.
The start became with Sami Vaska, so exciting when i saw this moment,i cried then and every time who see the stargazers cry again so great moment!!!
Floor sung with Tarja in Tarja's new Christmas album and many more Sharon, Simone, Elise, kotipelto and Tony Kako the singers have a deep respect each other.
Before two years Tarja and Marco sung together in racasta zulua after so many years and was amazing moments.
I see in official website they put memories from first eras, like the official video of phantom of the opera and two days before they remember that wish I had an angel day release and posted in you tube.
I see signs every where or i wanted to see them 🤣.
But our night wishes maybe become true some day.
Maybe as you said a concert with orchestra and chorus all of them and a live DVD from this concert oh my wishes to eternity.
I have great love for Poland,my sister in law is from Poland, she was born in Liubin and lived enough years to wrotslaw if i wrote them well.
I always wondered why I am not visit yet Poland?
My best regards. Stay healthy and safe.
Really looking forward to these 24 weeks. I know what I'll be doing the wednesdays and friday/saterday evenings the coming half year.
Concerning our choices compared to the band: we selected what we considered our peronal top10, our 10 best songs from Nightwish. That leads to some obvious results that every member of the Nightwish army can predict. Tuomas and the band didn't select their best songs for Decades, but what they considered their most essential songs. Essential in the history and progress of the band. That is a total different way of looking at their back catalog.
Another difference is that they selected 22 songs, where we selected only 10. I mentioned with my list that I was sorry I had to stop at 10 (although I actually did 11) because I could have gone on for another while. I think that if all of us could have selected 22 songs we would have seen a more widely spread selection and a more prominent position for the less obvious choices.
But then again, I really don't know any Nightwish song that I don't like at all. Their catalog contains some 120 -130 songs, so I could easily produce an even longer list of my favourites.
Can't wait for the journey to start.
thanks for the kind words and for the encouragements. Yup, of cours, I asked for 10, because I have to limit the compilation process. I had up to 60 songs selected. That was still a good exercise!
I didn't grow up with Nightwish unfortunately. If you are going to do decades, do decades live Buenos Aires. That is the one with Floor breathing new life into those old songs. And she looks stunning in her battle uniform. Lol
All hail to the Valkyrie Goddess of Metal.
I will certainly have a live version or two with Floor, on an old song! :-)
@@GuylainPrince cool friar. Difficult one to choose. Dead Boy's poem (emotional ).Slaying the dreamer (theatrical )and Devil and the deep dark ocean ( voice acrobatics) or just do all three. That would be my advice good friar. The power and emotions she exudes. .. unbelievable. 2 month ago I didn't know anything about them and now. ...mama mia. Stay Safe friar.
@@GuylainPrince Here is a suggestion friar Prince. Live versions of Nightwish are always better than studio albums. Why not do a back to back song. A studio album and then a live version of that song (Floor of course singing it).A music analyst named Chase did that with "How is the Heart ".
Bye and be safe.
Ah I’m late to the train but I totally respect you for doing this!
Oh well, your are welcome! Already 14 songs donse. The other 10 next year! The Tarja era will finish before Christmas 2020.
I just discovered your channel :) I'm very excited to follow your journey. It's a very well balanced setlist and we all will have a lot of fun :) For me it's a little sad, that "Swanheart" didn't make it on the list. It's a beautiful ballad from the Oceanborn album.
Well, we all have our favorites that does not make the list. We have to draw a line. 24 songs is already something!
Hi there in Canada🇨🇦👍 You have just so honest way to react and analyse these Nightwish songs.... I appreciate it really really much.... Keep up the good work 🥰 Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮 ps: I want you to do these two Nightwish songs In The future: 1. Poet and The Pendelum, 2. The Greatest Show On Earth 👍
Both have been done, my friend. Juste ask for the title and my name, on the search engine of YT. You will find easily!
Silly me.... 👍.... Love your videos my Friend.... Stay Heavy and be safe there in The Land of Hockey 🥰🇨🇦🥰
Well... My friend.... I CAN'T find those two songs with Your reaction 👍
Those 8 wich weren’t much vored ’cause we fans DO know those songs very well, and I personally wanted to give you something good, not well-know Nightwish songs ☺️ i really looking foward to this jorney, I really can’t wait! Greerings from Finland, from Nightwish fan since 2007
Thanks! It will be a wonderful time with NW!
Im looking forward to your journey into the Nightwish repertoire. I like your deep analysis of the lyrics.
On your question, why some albums had received less votes:
Nightwish is a band of 25 years of history. Although composition and craftmanship were always present, their style changed several times a little bit. Also the three singers (Tarja, Annette and Floor) and the arrival of Marko as a additional male singer in 2001 had huge impact to the sound (and capabilities) of the band. So there are different groups of fans who prefer different styles/singers. And I presume that the youngest of these groups is the largest by number. Also the availability of the songs on youtube only in the last 10 years had an huge impact on this youngest group of fans.
I personally, although I'm nearly 50, belong to this youngest group. And I (admiring Tarja, too) prefer the singing of Floor. So I know/like the younger songs and (only) those older songs, which Floor had sung the last 8 years.
From the songs Tuomas had selected for Decades I would only miss Slaying the Dreamer and Nemo in your selection.
Already 25 years of history! Already!
Ooh that is generous - and very exciting! This prolonged journey will have "a chance" to follow, somewhat lightly, the development of NIGHTWISH - one of the deeper bands in the genre lyrically, with sharp and sometimes dark twists thrown along the way. Still some songs went amiss, which would have explained more, and especially shown more sides of their creation musically. But that is OK, it means that even after this giant parcours is done, there will always be the possibility for revisiting and for another surprise! :)) I was truly worried about cramming the full experience into 10 songs; now we are pretty well set, no objections at all to any of the choices. ;))
I think there will be opportunities to return to the discrepancy between what Tuomas and the band see as essential from their back catalogue, and what the Army likes. :) There might be no generally correct answer, but rather perceptions and specific cases. Undoubtedly, the band members, having been through the full creative process, have their reasons that we might not know unless addressed in interviews. It is probably clearer with fans - the impact of a given song usually will be the deciding factor. At the same time I admit NIGHTWISH chose some pretty standard singles for the "Decades" compilation, which could have been replaced by more adventurous titles. But singles are good for winning new fans and expanding the Army, so... :))))
Thanks for the kind words. We are up for a great itinerary!
Great road trip awaiting! Let me first buy some pop corns for the journey 😅👍👍
And bring me a beer or two! I will need it. Already had a headache from the demo! :D
24 songs?! Wow. That's going to be crazy.
Yup! 2,5 months this year, and the same next year. Somehwere in the spring, probably! Il will be a nice ride!
Bonjour Guylain, une belle épopée en perspective. Je dois dire que je ne suis pas spécialement surpris des différence entre la sélection "decades" de Nightwish et celle des votes. Les titres en désaccords correspondent à ceux de la setlist du Wacken, ou de Wembley, deux concerts dont les vidéos sont extrêmement populaires sur internet. Du fait de la médiatisation importante de Nightwish sur RUclips via les channels de type "réaction", ce sont devenus des titres phares sur cette plateforme, d'où le biais observé dans les votes !
Concernant la sélection actuelle, j'ai lu dans les commentaires précédents que vous comptiez faire une réaction à la version "live" lorsque celle ci n'est pas trop longue en prime de la version album. Je tiens juste à mettre en avant deux titres majeurs, "The Poet and the Pendulum", ainsi que "The greatest show on Earth" qui, bien qu'étant les titres les plus longs de Nightwish, méritent l'expérience live (notamment the greatest SHOW on earth, le nom n'est pas anecdotique). Ce serait une erreur à mon goût de passer à côté !
Le rendez-vous est pour moi pris pour la semaine prochaine !
Un home des pays-bas m'a fourni, je crois, presque toutes les versions live des 20 chansons les plus poplaires (je n'ai pas fait la comparaison encore), mais je suis pas mal certain que le "big three" y sont. Alors, ce sera vraissemmblablement la version live. Je verrai le moment venu!
Their first albums varied a bit in style as they were young, their musical influences changed and their albums reflected that. It took them a few albums to find their signature "Nightwish" sound. That would explain why some fans prefer some of the first albums and not others, and that dispersion of preference explains, I think, the perceived reduced popularity.
I think I prefer Tuomas' picks over the fans'. I can not believe that some of the most iconic Nightwish songs like Sacrament of Wilderness, Slaying the Dreamer or Wish I had an Angel did not make it to the list. I do discern a probable reason though, those are mostly Tarja-Era songs that Floor has not improved upon, and newer Nightwish fans are understandably alienated to them (with the exception of the folk-sounding My Walden).
Another Decades-like album was the "End of an Era" where again Tuomas selects the songs that he thinks were the most important of all the albums up to 2005. Perhaps you can compare his selection there with the Decades one :)
Concerning the religious songs, I am most interested in your take on them. I get the feeling that Tuomas believes in the divine and is disappointed (and critical) of the way humans treat it. Through the songs, I have formed an image of Tuomas as someone who is seeing the divine in nature, as opposed to within a man-made structure. Some of the songs you picked are very close to being religious hymns, and I await with bated breath for your reaction to them.
Please keep in mind that this is a very long journey, spanning over 25 years, and both the band and its members have changed, evolved and matured during this period. As opposed to some bands that cling to their signature sound, Nightwish's sound has - and still is evolving, while remaining unmistakenly theirs.
Excelllent! Yes, I will keep that in mind!
Really looking forward to this journey! Being a fan since Wishmaster I basically know all of their songs and I'm curious on your oppinion and analysis of the songs.
Some of them, especially from the first three albums are very dear to me (I could have made a 10 song list frome only these albums^^), so it will be interesting to see if you get a similar meaning from them.
I was at one of the Decades-Shows, not knowing what would await me regarding the setlist (since I already onwed all of their albums, I did not have a closer look at the Decades-Compilation beforehand). I literally cried several times because they played songs I never expected to ever witness them playing live, such as Ghetsemane, Elvenpath, Dead Boys Poem. That was an emotional rollercoaster ride I will never forget.
As for the songs selectet by Toumas and not the fans, I think that all of them are great songs, but within the rich discography of Nightwish they are not the fist songs that come to one's mind when thinking of the album they were on. I think I would have added some of them to my list if I had made a 22 song list (could restrain myself to only ten songs anyway :D )
For example, if think of the Album Oceanborn, I first think of songs like Stargazers, Gethsemane and Devil and the deep dark Ocean or Passion and the Opera. I also love Sacrament of Wilderness, but it is not a song that stuck with me over time. Same goes for End of all Hope or Slaying the Dreamer. I really loved those when the album Century Child came out, but somehow they didn't stick with me until now.
Besides, Toumas, as the writer of the songs, has different view and emotional bond to the songs. Some of his songs my have a meaning to him that does not entirely reveal itself to the listeners.
Excellent comment! thanks for the encouragements!
but you have yet to hear the great soprano and the co-founder of Nightwish herself, the incredible Tarja Turunen....wishmaster, beauty and the beast, swanheart, elvenpath. sacrament of wilderness, end of all hope, slaying the dreamer, by her are divine
Always do the studio version, first, and then, one live version. So, I will.
I Love Sacrament of Wilderness was the song of my youth.... :)
Well ! It scored quite well, but not enough to be in the "chosen 10".
I think the difference between the band choice and the fan choice is one of how we place significance. I get that the historical progression of the band is of significance to the band. The fans, on the other hand, are going to go with their favourites. What really surprises me is that "Nemo" didn't make the fan list despite it's enormous popularity. We've all heard "Nemo". And then there's "End of All Hope". Any old Nightwish fan has to have an attachment to that one. Those are the anomalies that intrigue me. "Wish I had an Angel" and "Slaying the Dreamer" are up there in fan popularity, but I can understand why they might get left off of a fan list. The rest are songs that don't get much attention and so easily explained.
"Nemo" is the big surprise.
It was for me, too!
Wow I'm SO excited for this journey!!! Can't wait for next year (my favourite songs are actually from the Imaginaerum album). About your decision to go for official album versions for reactions: I perfectly understand the choice but... You're going to miss A LOT. Some songs (like The Poet and the Pendulum and 7 days to the wolves) are absolutely to be experienced with Floor on stage. These two songs in particular won't communicate the same feelings and I think were underrated before Floor brought them to life. For both of these songs there are two official live videos with lyrics. Please do an exception when reacting to these songs (next year, sigh!). Can't wait for the first song. Take care and God bless!
I was not clear enough on this video : I will do a Studio version WITH LYRICS, + a live version. Like I always do, when possible. The song has to be less than 6 minutes, though.
Guylain Prince OFM oh that is good news indeed, but for example Poet and the Pendulum is about 14 minutes long and in my opinion the live version with Floor is just on a completely different level than the studio version with Anette, I hope with songs like that you will decide to pick the Floor version, even though the song itself is from an Era before her time with the band.
I might, yes.
@@GuylainPrince...and there's a perfect version with lyrics of that Wembley version with Floor. That song and that video are my all time favourite song of Nighwish. I absolutely need a Time machine to switch to next year. Can't wait for your reaction / analysis
@@AlvenmodFotoThis is the story of NW, the albums have the names of the band, said Vocals Tarja Turunen,bass Sami Vaska instead Marko Hietala.
Why in their 7 first albums who sung the previous singers we must hear the new one? This is the story of NW from the beginning still today.. if we have Floor from the beginning the history change, for 15 years NW grow up and selling albums with Tarja and Annette in vocals, made concerts, big tours in over the places, call them in big fastivals, made a movie all before Floor coming NW was already great and apsolute famous with Tarja and Annette.
I believe little respect to former members of the band must be, also us who support this group from the beginning and we love the first era.
This is not a competition who is better, this is the beginning of the band who both support,their inspiration at the time, the members of the band at the time, their first tour out of Finland in small clubs with only one album in their repertoire, the influences.....
I am happy that Qulain start with the demo call Nightwish,their first song who named the band after.
Sorry about my tone but i am angry because most of you wanted to hear songs who sung Floor with Marko but in the original songs sung Tuomas ,Tapio Wiska in three songs,no Marko Hietala he wasn't in the band in first 3 albums besides Floor never sung all of them there are about 35 songs maybe more who never sung.
Floor have two albums with NW the last album is out because Qulain made already the analysis but she has the EFMB this is her album and is totally hers.
The Nightwish Army messed up, no question. At the very least, both Slaying the Dreamer and I Wish I Had An Angel are mandatory when doing any sort of Nightwish deep-dive.
About the divergence of opinion between the bands picks and the fans picks, it's actually both really simple and really sad. (Once you listen to Poet and the Pendulum, you will see Tuomas himself highlighting what I am about to say here.)
Nightwish fans can be some of the most fiercely loyal people in the world. But, many times, "sensationalist fans" get mixed in. These are people who love metal for its own sake...loud noises, driving beats, gritty growls, and endless shredding guitar riffs. If a song does not line up with what their perspective of what metal should be is, then the song itself is a bad song and is passed over entirely...nevermind the lyrics, the meaning, the message, it's place in the album.
This is why the fans and even the prime minister harshly condemned Tuomas when he and the band fired Tarja. And this is why Tuomas wrote the Poet and the Pendulum. 😥
Well. Plenty to hear and see. I will look at them at one point, no doubt. On a personnal basis.
@@GuylainPrince Apologies, I have gone back and answered another of your most excellent questions after you replied.
nice ... looking forward to this Friar Guylain ... the older fans may be more Tarja fans ... the younger fans may be more Floor fans ... that might be the reason for the difference ...
Your welcome!
I'm so surprised Nemo and I Wish I Had An Angel didn't make the cut because they're both super popular.
I was surprised as well.
I think that some of the differences might have been influenced by the time we (the fans around here) discovered nightwish.
It's well known that every nightwish "Era" has a distinctive sound, depending of the singer, so depending if we first listened to Tarja, Anette or Floor, our preferences could be different. The first time I listened to them was the 2013 wacken show, in which almost half of the songs where from an Anette album, and it was Floor singing, and after that the shows from tampere and wembley, in which there were very Tarja songs, so even that I like a lot of their old stuff, I'm more familiar to the Floor and Anette Era.
Something similar might be happening with the old fans, they might have discovered nightwish in the second or third album,
Or it might be just a statistical illusion, because nemo and wish i had an angel are classics :)
Of course, a poll is not an indication of the value of a song. The band itself might have a very different point of view.
Looking forward to the journey - I think that the songs Tuomas and the band selected were less known (or too well known) by fans, but were discovered when played live durning the Decades concert. As I have heard other reactors said, they came to life and could suddenly be understood when interpreted by the band during these concerts. So, in a way, I respect your wish to react on the album version -- your channel, your rules -- but it would be great, if you took both the album and the live version of the song. Just an idea...
This is what I did for EPICA, and for the first reactions of Nightwish. I will only question the "two versions" reaction when I have a very long song.
Seven Days to the Wolves, my good Friar, not
Seven Days of the Wolves.
But I will be greatly enjoying this journey. As per the difference/reason why I (or at least me) chose different songs. Prefacing this; all their songs are great. Undeniably. Some songs are true marvels of musical mastery even from the earliest beginning. There are just different tastes.
The songs Nightwish, Sacrament of wilderness and Elvenpath are not resonating with me. the song End of all Hope bridges over from Bless the Child. Basically it's a two-part song and to me, when I listen to it, I listen to both anyway. Slaying the Dreamer is tied with some other songs from Century Child, so I had to pick. Wish I had an Angel and Nemo are tied for me and I personally decided to pick the other two that resonate more with me. My Walden is also one of the songs that I feel a bit less close with. But I do have to admit that I felt severely restricted by your numbering. :P
The reason for DIvergence is pretty clear to me on The Angels Fall First, as this was basically an experiment where they were not yet fully fleshed out in their path, so the fans may be severely mixed. I am surprised myself about the divergence on Century Child and even moreso on Once.
I do have to confess that I compiled a list of songs, separated by a general liking of mine, with 3 songs per each album, yet at the last three albums (previous 3 prior to Human:Nature) I basically had to break my own restriction because there were just too many great ones. I also compiled a list of songs that I personally felt showing or reflecting their spiritual/religious views very well (I obviously did not incorporate these songs into the first list, as a bit of a cheat to keep more space for more great songs). If you like, I can give this list as well.. Assuming I still find it....
The thing I did was to register the votes (quantity), but took note of the comments that were more "generous" (quality). Nothing has been lost! It will be considered in due time! If you want to add songs and relevant info, please, do so!
@@GuylainPrince Sounds good. I did indeed find the list again. Sorry for the long post ahead...
Okay, first list will contain a set of 3 songs which I like from each album. At least I will try to restrain it to three.
Angels fall first (1997, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Tuomas Holopainen):
-Elvenpath
-Beauty and the Beast
-Angels fall First
Oceanborn (1998, Singer: Tarja Turunen):
-Devil and the Deep dark Ocean
-Passion and the Opera
-Pharaoh sails to Orion (Guest singer: Tapio Wilska)
Wishmaster (2000, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala):
Gotta break with my restriction of only 3 songs here. There are many great ones here.
-She is my Sin (what a love-letter from Tuomas, set‘s see if you can figure out to whom...)
-Deep Silent Complete
-Dead Boys Poem (Tuomas once called it the most personal song he ever wrote (obviously before Poet and the Pendulum), so that has to be.)
-FantasMic (as song about Walt Disney and the wonders he showed)
Century Child (2002, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala)
The first album I had of them.
-Bless the Child/End of all Hope (Two songs in one as they flow into eachother. Yeah, I roll that way if I have to)
-Forever Yours (a very mellow and calm song, but for some reason this song and Ocean Soul always make me feel out of place with the entire existence, I chose this one for no particular reason)
-Phantom of the Opera (just has to be)
-Beauty and the Beast (the longest song they made until this album and quite the master-piece)
Once (2004, Singers: Tarja Turunen & Marko Hietala) Ouff… again hard to pick even only just 5….
-Wish I had an Angel (again quite the love-letter…)
-Nemo
-Creek Mary‘s Blood (just for the fact that they had an actual native american speak in Lakotan)
-Romanticide (even love can be lethal….)
-Ghost Love Score (just a must)
Dark Passion Play (2007, Singers: Anette Olzon, Marko Hietala)
Sorry, cannot do it anymore. There are going to be far more songs from now on…
-Poet and the Pendulum (the most personal song Tuomas ever made. A metaphorical suicide.)
-Master Passion Greed (Tuomas‘ reckoning with the reason why they lost Tarja, white brutally honest)
-Cadence of Her last Breath -Whoever brings the Night (the beginning still sends chills down my spine)
-The Islander (an only-Marko-song which is very well made, singing about looking back to a full life)
-7 Days to the Wolves
Imaginaerum (2011, Singers: Anette Olzon, Marko Hietala)
First time Troy Donockley joins them. A concept album that ties in with a movie, so hard to pick songs without somewhat taking the meanings out of context.
-Storytime (one more taking a step into the realm of imagination and dreaming realities)
-I want my Tears back (growing up, we tend to get disenchanted when we realise the magic we saw as kids, is no longer there….)
-Scaretale (a darker song, but still very impressive I find)
-Turn loose the Mermaids (a more mellow song again, but a return to the magic, this time as an adult still!)
-The Crow, the Owl and the Dove (let‘s see if you can figure this one out….)
-Song of Myself (another longer song, looking back at past songs, past dreams and wonders, past achievements and losses, and looks ahead and dreams on…)
Endless Forms most Beautiful (2015, Singers: Floor Jansen, Marko Hietala):
If I could, I would put the whole album in here…. It is a giant tribute to science. And almost all songs made me cry tears of joy and pleasure of such masterpieces.
-Shudder before the Beautiful (of creation… yeah)
-Our Decades in the Sun (once more a love-letter, this time to parents)
-My Walden (good Donockley had a stronger influence here and a great work came by)
-Endless Forms most Beautiful (gotta have the titular song here)
-The Greatest Show on Earth (their longest track so far and what a piece of magic it is. Tuomas really outdid himself there)
This second list shows the progression of religious themes.
Angels fall First:
The Carpenter: As a religious person, I think you get, who this is about.
Oceanborn:
Gethsemane:
Again a religious theme, this time a location.
Wishmaster:
The Kinslayer: A song about a school-massacre, the dialogues intermissing the lyrics are the words spoken by the murderer and its victims, according to the survivours. Most of them revolve around some godly view, which Tuomas obviously deemed important enough to highlight.
Century Child:
Slaying the Dreamer: Again more religious about how religious organisations twist the mesages of their messiahs.
Once:
Planet Hell: Child soldiers on their path to hell… Says it all.
Dark Passion Play:
Amaranth (inspired by a painting, it still carries a significant spiritual meaning)
Eva (it does not go about the biblical Eva, but the stories can be related)
Endless Forms most Beautiful:
Weak Fantasy (first slap at religions, criticising the restrictions some impose)
Yours is an Empty Hope (second slap at religions, calling them out)
Oh! I guess I missed the votes! Still, I can buckle in for the ride. There are some great songs in that second group of 8. Weak Fantasy is the one that I talked to you about, that think you will find challenging in the same way as Tribal. My Walden would have been in my 22 I think - such a beautiful song and undervalued. The problem is not that they are not loved, but that you need to allow 50 songs to get to the point where you picking anything other than the best (and then you are still picking great tracks). I seem to remember discovering Nightwish through the album "Once". It has a series of classics that still get a lot of love today.
Yup!!! The poll was the two last weeks!
Wow. We all have a great journey ahead. I have 2 hopes: I hope you'll react to some of the live versions too as you did with Epica. Second, I hope there will be no Anette-bashing and who's better discussions about the singers... Merci d'avance!
Yes, I keep the exact same format. When a song is below 6 minutes, it will be reaction to the studio and the live version! :-)
@@GuylainPrince please go for the live one if it isn't.
we don't mind long videos :) And NW is a lot better live. you could add the studio version to the analysis videos if it is too long for a single one.
Guylain Prince OFM I can deal with a long video, especially if it’s good music 😉
@@GuylainPrince Ouch, that is pity, many of the best NW songs are over 6min so no live :(:(:(
For example album PatP is a terrible loss against the live, GLS... ok most of us know every note of the Wacken live so that will be survivable (to not have it)...
Oh 24 chansons !!! Je suis plus que ravie ! :D
Comme le dit un autre commentaire plus bas, je suis déçue que vous n'ayez pas choisi Song of myself, j'aurais vraiment voulu avoir votre analyse du poème, surtout de sa dernière ligne que j'ai du mal à comprendre pcq je ne connais que trop peu le solfège.
Pour essayer de répondre aux différences entre les fans ici sur RUclips et le Nightwish, je pense qu'effectivement beaucoup de gens ont découvert Nightwish grâce aux vidéos réaction sur youtube.
Pour les anciens fans dont je fais partie, ces 8 chansons sont incontournables. Personnellement j'ai trop entendu Nemo et Wish I had an Angel, c'est pour ça que je ne les avais pas sélectionnées. My Walden n'est pas une de me chansons préférées ni d'ailleurs une des plus intéressantes de son album - à mon avis - donc pareil, je ne l'ai pas choisie. En revanche, Wishmaster, Oceanborn et Century Child sont encore à ce jour mes albums préférés de Nightwish sans doute à cause d'un attachement émotionnel particulier. Pour mon adolescence mais également pour l'OVNI qu'était Nightwish, ce power metal étrange chanté par une voix unique dans un style qu'on n'avait encore jamais vu dans le metal ou le rock.
Alors oui, pour moi Sacrament of Wilderness, Elvenpath, End of all Hope et Slaying the Dreamer sont vraiment des pépites. Elles représentent les jeunes années de Tuomas avant qu'il ne trouve la paix.
Je pense qu'il est devenu un meilleur compositeur et un meilleur parolier, je pense qu'il excelle dans sa discipline avec une précision d'horloger mais ce jeune homme écorché vif a disparu et c'est pourquoi, à mon avis, il n'écrira plus jamais de chansons aussi émotionnellement fortes que celles présentent sur ces 3 albums.
Heureusement, vous avez choisi Gethsemane! Cette chanson comporte une de mes lignes préférées de Tuomas: "without you the poetry within me is dead". N'est-ce pas d'une beauté effroyable dans la plume d'un poète ?
En ce sens, je regrette également que vous n'ayez pas choisi Come cover me, qui a été mentionnée plusieurs fois. Mais je comprends, on ne peut pas tout faire !
Je comprends votre démarche de vouloir passer un peu plus de temps sur le premier album mais à mon avis, ce premier album est loin d'être le meilleur parmi les anciens albums. C'est un peu un coup d'essai, un peu timide. Pour moi les 3 suivants que j'ai mentionné ci-dessus sont beaucoup plus représentatifs de qui était Tuomas à l'époque et du style musicale qui a propulsé Nightwish sur le devant de la scène.
J'ai hâte d'entamer ce voyage avec vous Guylain ! :)
Elle est sur ma liste, ai-je fait une erreur dansla vidéo? Merci pour votre généreux commentaire. J'ai voulu m'assurer d'avoir une sélection satrisfaisante de chaque album. Je crois y être arrivé, avec vous tous.
@@GuylainPrince Song of myself? Alors j'ai juste bêtement répété ce que j'ai lu dans un autre commentaire :) Oui, vous avez là une très belle sélection ! J'ai vraiment hâte d'avoir votre avis éclairé sur ces chansons, je suis certaine que je vais apprendre beaucoup de choses :)
Amitiés de Bruxelles
Please reconsider to prefer live versions if they are available.
I always do a studio version with lyrics AND a live version. No question about that. So... it will be ... both!
I'm really looking forward this! This final set is awesome! Just take a look on The Beauty AND the Beast, there are two songs with similar name that get confused, and I personally prefer Beauty OF the Beast wich is for me way better. Maybe you could do a poll here in the community section of youtube just between those two to clarify. But anyway the journey will be epic with whenever of those!
Well, I tried to interprete the suggestions from the fans and I am sure that some wrote "Beauty AND the Beast" (Century Child) and vice versa. Some wrote "with Tarja". So, I did my best. I would say that is was a close call. I chose the "AND" version to have three songs from the first album.
@@GuylainPrince I am sure most fans voted for Beauty OF the Beast - not Beauty AND the Beast. It is very easy to make a mistake here as the titles are so similar. But BOTB is the one you should go for - it is a beast of a song!
I will consider.
beauty and the beast is from angels fell first, Tarja singing with Tuomas.
Beauty of the beast is from century child.
Both amazing songs 🤩.
New fans didn't know yet because Floor never sung them.
@@GuylainPrince It must be Beauty OF the Beast, which is a remarkable song, one of the best of the Tarja era, while Beauty and the Beast is a lot more meh in my opinion at least. Probably many wrote AND because the phrase "beauty and the beast" is such a common one.
Might I suggest adding a live video to each reaction? Many songs gain so much live, especially with Floor. Pretty please. For example, Romanticide, Yours Is An Empty Hope, Poet and the Pendulum, I Want My Tears Back, 7 Days to the Wolves are all vastly better live with Floor. I'd go so far as to say that the live versions should take precedence. Actually, I believe that many viewers will scream for the live versions in the comments, and I think you will do a disservice to yourself by not listening to them.
in case noone mentioned before, you can find all the lyrics on their official website. :) so excited about this!
I know! :-)
@Guylain Prince OFM sorry I'm late. Great selection. Very important to do the songs in order indeed (for continuity of certain songs). I also hope you'll prepare yourself with the 4 parts of Lappi (Angels Fall First). Not to react, but for your own pleasure. Like you did with 'Nature' before 'Human'.
ahhhh ! That could be a good idea!
@@GuylainPrince Yes, it would be a shame if you missed it (Lappi = Lapland). The link should be in the other comment box of the video where we provided our Top-10s.
Vivement ! J'y serai ;)
Yesss!
Just one addendum: I still remain confused whether fans truly chose "Beauty AND the Beast" as a song to represent early NIGHTWISH (instead of "Elvenpath" or "Astral Romance", really?..), and not "Beauty OF the Beast", the final epic off "Century Child" album. I would be interested for the fans that cast their vote to confirm they truly upvoted the earlier song a "5 stars", instead of the latter.
Yes, in cases like this small details are important!! :]]] Smart play with titles by the main composer, but the 2 songs are quite different, and, while both immersive listening, with the second one we get much more mature lyrics from Tuomas, that dovetail with his by-then formed artistic philosophy. I will listen with pleasure to either one. But I wanna know, which one. Anybody help?
Elvenpath is the first track that come to my mind as a song that represents the early nightwish....and Moondance,stargazers and Walking in the Air..
I did an exercice of trying to interprete all the Beauty *** the beast. The fans themselves were confused (ex : Beauty of the Beat with Tarja, or B&the Beast (Century Child). So, I chose the one that seemed with one or two more votes. But is was a close call.
@@GuylainPrince It is still good. Just a little funny that some people could confuse the title of their favorite song. :)
Btw, both "Beauties" were always with Tarja. At least I do not know of any decent recording with other vocalists.
@@bigg2988 Those songs sung Tarja only, neither Annete neither Floor sung them.
I would say the reason of difference of band and fans. I guessing live performance. Nightwish is a live band. The album versions are good but fans love them live. Then you also have the 3 different singers. Floor being the most popular.
Thanks!
Looks to be a fairly decent spread. Some of the earlier material I am not as familiar with, I came on board around the time of Dark Passion Play (thankfully missed the whole Tarja/Anette screaming matches between fans).I have a soft spot for Elvenpath, it's the first song I ever encountered from Nightwish. A total random chance view on you tube while looking for something from Lord of the Rings.
The demo is crucial and displays the interconnectivity from then through today and what will come. I really appreciate the plan to listen to the studio and live versions whenever possible, some have been unbelievably refined from the studio release to Decades: Buenos Aires.
We are in for an interesting journey.
Yup! Studio with lyrics + live version. As suggested by the fans. Every songs below 6 minutes will have this duo!
So interesting journey is starting. Hope you start with the song "Nightwish". Just I wrote this you mentioned it in 4:09. Where are (are there) Carpenter, Sacrament of Wilderness, Wishmaster and Nemo...cornerstones of the path of NW?
Yup! Just being published on the channel! Have a look!
@@GuylainPrince Yes, I will, thanks ; )
Wow, Slaying the dreamer and End of All Hope didn’t make the cut. Century Child is by far one of the best Nightwish albums. Its the album that got Nightwish back on their feet after Tuomas had thoughts of not continuing Nightwish. As well as introduced Marcos amazing vocals. Rather important album in my opinion.
For one thing, you got it right : many of Century Child almost made the cut. 3 or 4 stars!
Guylain Prince OFM well I look forward to your journey through Nightwish history! Your analysis of the lyrics always opens up a new beautiful perspective on every song, very much look forward to it!
Well... it's not as if I have anything better to do for the next 24 weeks. I'm in.
Ha ha ha ! :-)
@Guylain Prince OFM 🤯 I just realised going back through the list that 'Alpenglow' (We Were Here) didn't make it either ⁉️ Tuomas once called it 'The Ultimate Nightwish song' (Then again it didn't make it on the Decades album either) It is however the end song of basically every concert. Maybe just use it as an end tune in the background?
I will see. I usually use the first 25 seconds and the last 25 seconds of the song I react to.
For me, who really wasn't a huge fan until Floor came along and now enjoying the old catalogue primarily (exclusevily) via live performances from Floor this approach was somewhat disappointing. Not only because I prefer pretty much every song with Floor from the original version. Also because Nightwish really shines the brightest live.
But, although I am disappointed that many of my favorite songs from pre-Floor will now be studio with Anette or Tarja and not the incredible performances from Floor, I will follow the journey with an open mind and of course being very grateful to you for doing this, 24 songs is quite a massive undertaking and I think all fans, both the ones such as me who discovered and loves Nightwish with Floor aswell as the elders who have been with the band from the early days.
I will do a Studio version (with Lyrics) AND a live version (when the song is under 6 minutes). In the reaction vids... So, don't worry. Everything will be wide open for you, and for me.
24 songs in a row! It's going to be one heck of the Journey. But count me in, Captain! 💂 Some might argue, why original versions and not some maybe better live versions. But it's a just decision, because we are dealing mostly with lyrics here. Maybe later we can take the another tour to "favorite live performances" (30 songs or something like that) 😅. Also I noticed that because Nightwish has released about 100 songs, there are some of my favorites missing. That's how massive production they've done in over two decades.
No, don't worry! It is a mistake I made in the video : there will always be the studio version (with lyrics) AND a live version, the one suggested by the fans. I will be happy, but I think that the fans too!
@@GuylainPrince Haha! I was already hoping for the eternal Nightwish journey. 😅
:-D
Bonjour, en fait je connais tout le répertoire de Nightwish et si mes choix se distinguent de ceux de Tuomas c'est parce que je voulais avoir votre avis sur ces titres en particulier. En attendant j'ai hâte d'écouter vos réactions. Bonne continuation.
Merci ! Un fan de longue date, parlant français? Vous serez précieux, cher ami, dans les prochains mois. N'hésitez pas à nous revenir avec vos réflexions!
@@GuylainPrince Je reviendrai sans hésiter, je m'abonne pour ne rien manquer. ;-)
Vous devez absolument écouter Beauty of the beast de l’album Century child, une des chansons les plus sous-estimées selon moi!
Beaucoup la suggéraient, c'est juste qu'elle ne s'est pas classée parmi les première. Et ils semble y avoir de la confusion avec une chanson plus ancienne. C'est certain que je vais l'écouter en cours de route!
Guylain Prince en effet! Cependant Beauty and the beast est également une excellente chanson.
You have missed one,,,one that will not be played in any arenas,,,,bcs Toumas dedicated it to the parents to al in the band and relatives, its a beutifull song and often overlocked,,its Decades in the sun
its a beutifull song with heart warming lyrics, all the best to you :)
Yup! It was a 4 stars, if I remember well. Almost made the cut!
I can of course only speak for myself. I left out some songs that I love a lot musically, but that don't speak as much to me lyrically. Also, I prioritized songs that I'd like to see your analysis for. My resulting list of 10 doesn't coincide with my list of favorites. Your list of 8 songs we didn't select includes 3 of my favorite songs that I didn't chose to suggest.
Yup. The reasons behind the choice is, sometimes, difficult to explain and/or analyze!
Oh, forgot to add a quick question to my previous comment: is it going to be Beauty AND the Beast or Beauty OF the Beast? Because those are two different songs :)
It will be Beauty AND the Beast. I think the fans got mixed up, as well. I had to make a choice.
@@GuylainPrince Both are a great choice! Looking forward to it!
Salut Guylain, Surely gonna be a long journey we go on now yes, that you chose this Demo song is very good, i didnt even think of this one myself as i selected 10 songs, its a pretty good song still, you will see, i like you did chose to cover those older albums to, only reason i didnt selcet from those was the cut of 10 songs, but with the selection of 24 songs these would get starting getiing in my selection as well, and Oceanborn have even been my favorite album at a period, so its not because i do not like the older songs at all, and it have to be there, to get the NW journey right, no doubt.. so lets start this journey, im ready:)
Hello René. After counting anew, we found out that I made few mistakes and placed "Beauty AND the Beast" instead of "OF the Beast". I am please to tell you that it will be "Beauty OF the Beast".
@@GuylainPrince Surely also the most intresting song of those 2 i think:)
Waiting for it. Why only studio versions? Live Performances are often better than the Studio versions and there are many high quality videos out there. But it is a way to avoid the neverending singer discussion.
I will always listen to the studio version with lyrics AND a live version. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
@@GuylainPrince thanks, now i am even more excited.
Bonjour Guylain,, Following your exchange with Centurio Brutuz (below), I realised that your decision to go through the albums chronologically is entirely logical, and in many ways easier for everyone to understand. I am glad that you have clarified that you will be reacting to BOTH studio and live versions. However, many of the replies on your poll (including mine) were quite specific as to which live versions to listen/react to, with the vast percentage listing Floor's contemporary versions as the preferred choice. Will you be using these recommendations? I am concerned that your reactions will be Tarja-heavy if you choose to journey chronologically with live performances as well! Looking forward to beginning our collective journey next week. Take care Guylain.
I took note of everything, in terms of suggestions for the live versions. I will have to make choices, but everything is in my database, dear friend! I WILL NOT be, all the time, on Tarja LIVE version. It will depend. Judgment call on every case.
Looking forward to them, to bad you do the studio versions. Live with Floor is so much better. PatP with Annet for instance....your loss. So You lost me there...but have fun and see you next year when it’s Floor’s turn 😉
You misunderstood! It is studio album (with lyrics) + live version. Like I did with EPICA. :-) Whenever available. It is clearly written on the screen, but I forgot to tell it! :-)
Ah OK, great 👍
If you want to see Floor is every where in RUclips, Floor's fans and NW's fans is two different things i believe. You didn't understand that it's not reaction 😂 like used to, this is analysis about the lyrics and music. No matter who sung the music and the lyrics are the same.
You want to loose Annete's era?Why? The most selling albums?
I'm just sad that "Song of Myself" didn't make the cut. It's a great song with a beautiful poem in the end.
It is on my list. Did I forget it in the video?
Agreed. Song of myself is a must do song. From a lyrical and analytical point of view it would have been in my top 3 but thats the way it goes.
@@GuylainPrince you showed the song on the last list (least voted). From that, I understood that they are songs that do not make the final list.
PS: sorry for my english, i'm from Brazil.
@@mjpmattos Song of Myself is on the second list, these got in. Those on the third list didn't. I got lost in the lists, too :)