Star Trek Movies Ranked Worst to Best
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In another installment of arbitrarily ranking Star trek things which will no doubt enrage someone, here is my ranking for all of the current Star Trek movies.
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I love Generations and Into Darkness... I don't hate Into Darkness! It's a creative rework of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Nemesis may be a hot mess, but it does at least have one of the best depictions of space combat in the IP.
True. The final space battle is awesome.
@@RowanJColeman I refer to Final Frontier as "Star Trek: A Hot Mess" LOL
Hot mess? 😐 IDK Nemesis is lightyears ahead of The Final Frontier for Story, Generations for character moments & The Motion Picture for pacing.
Which is why it's probably my favorite.
I love Nemesis!
There, I said it
It’s Star Trek’s version of Bram Stokers Dracula
Riker and Troi get married in the opening - Troi is abused by Dracula but they use her psychic connection to Dracula to eventually track him and defeat him
The Remans literally look like Vampires
Dracula needs Picards blood to survive - the villain literally dresses like Dracula from the novel - the villains ship looks like a huge bat and has gothic elements
Hmmm 🤔
They made absolutely stunning movie posters back then...
It always surprises me how much Shatner looks like someone else in the Voyage Home poster.
Star Trek Generations: Old man seeks to enter the Nexus so he'll never get old and never die.
Star Trek Insurrection: Sorna seek healing powers of special radiation so they won't get old and will never die.
Star Trek Nemesis: Picard clone seeks healing powers of Jean-Luc Picard's blood so clone won't get old and will never die.
Me: What is Rick Berman's issue with getting older?
Very astute and interesting question! You could argue Star Trek Search for Spock had an immortality element to it as well.
It's what a lot of the earlier films dealt with, specifically the two better ones (II and VI), but they explored it in a much better way.
It's been a while since I saw Generations. But I thought the point was that Soran's family was dead, and the Nexus would allow him to be with them again. Which parallels Picard having just lost his own family. Picard has the strength to accept reality, while Soran is willing to kill billions to escape the truth.
@@hunterpdx7061 All the movies before the reboot, really.
I - In denial about getting older... being young is a mindset so lets just be young again!
II - Really getting depressed about getting older and missing out on family
III - Wishing the dead were still alive, so lets make one of them alive again.
IV - We did stupid stuff in the past we're regretting it so let's un-extinction a species.
V - We're just getting to old for this.
VI - We don't want to retire, but our bodies just won't keep up anymore... Except Spock, lucky green-blooded sonuva-
VII - Old men get paraded out one last time, old man wants to live forever while other old men try to survive while being somewhat down due to missing out on family.
VIII - You can't live if you're forever dwelling on past trauma? (This movie's kind of the odd one out, really.)
IX - Someone wants to steal the fountain of youth radiation!
X - Clone doesn't want to die early. Robot tries to avoid death through roundabout methods.
"What is Rick Berman's issue?" is a question I've asked myself many times.
"Some people hate into darkness with a vengeance"
I see what you did there 😆
Probably beyond that level of hate into the darkness.
Star trek 4 ....The Wrath off Benedict Khan...
The Vengeance was probably one of the better things in that dirtbag of a movie...I mean the design is interesting..and it simply LOOKS like its far larger than the prime timeline TOS Era ships...
I gotta say Rowan, I knew you were going to put my favourite movie at the bottom but damn man, you did it in such a way that didn't rip out my heart or shart on my favourite movie.
It's stuff like this why I'm so damn happy to be subbed to your channel.
Bless you, man.
Insurrection is my Mum's favourite Trek movie so I can't be too hard on it haha
I still remember Data walking across the bottom of the lake which was kinda fun.
It’s great if you can’t fall asleep. It’ll make you doze off in no time
Insurrection was very middle of the road for me. Pleasant but not really exciting except for the shuttle scene which I adored. Captain's Yacht FTW!
I will never understand why STAR TREK III never gets more love than it does. I think its my favorite. It was the first movie that hit home these people are really friends off duty and not just colleagues. That's only one plus. And the stealint the Enterprise segment remains one of the best sequences across the whole ST franchise.
I've been watching the old movies for the first time and I vastly prefer III to II (very overrated film) and IV (tremendously unfunny sitcomy-shlock)
The writing is such a massive drop from Star Trek 2.
It’s one of my favorites too. It has some of the best scenes in the franchise, like stealing the Enterprise. It definitely deserves more love.
The real problem with _Insurrection_ is that the movie couldn't happen if the Federation simply asked The Ba'ku. If the Ba'ku say yes, there's no conflict. If they say no, they look like truly horrible people we can't sympathize with.
Personally for me the best TNG film is First Contact - it’s the film I use to introduce people to Start Trek, and my favourite Star Trek film of all time is The Undiscovered Country. I love the themes, the characterisation, the visual effects, the score - I get why people put Wrath of Khan up there but I just can’t shake how much I love The Undiscovered Country: to me, it is everything Star Trek is about and done well.
I can relate to all of these. I love First Contact too. Undiscovered Country is great too but--damn--if they'd fired at least one phaser bank I would have given it +1 ranking LOL
The Undiscovered Country is my favourite. It just does so much right.
Same
Undiscovered country it's right there in my top three, next to first contact and wrath of Khan
@@drt1605 really? Well that's a little disappointing. Maybe you're right though for example the Batman's soundtrack is very good, until you realize it's just the imperial March from Star wars, The empire strikes back.
I mean I still liked it but yeah it's pretty much spot-on the same
Star Trek Nemesis makes me go thru the seven stages of grief.
Yes its really sad... wish the TNG crew would have gotten a movie like the Undiscovered country. A proper send off
Loved your Star Trek series. Really well put together. Thank you Rowan. Your taste is terrible, but hey nobody's perfect.
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Just want to say that I respect your opinions and that you are the biggest reason I've begun watching Star Trek. So thanks for sharing!
Forgot to say, great video as always! I like how even when you were being negative, you did it in a profoundly light and positive way! x
Star Trek VI is a hidden gem in films full stop. Not just sci-fi.
Agreed. It has the misfortune of being overshadowed by the preceding and following films (final frontier and generations). Specifically, FF would be the last time all seven OG members serve aboard the same vessel, and Generations undermines the emotional impact of "VI" by having Kirk & (partial) Co. clumsily share the same film. Just as Beyond arguably ought to have followed ST '09 straight away, the 7th entry ought to have focused exclusively on the Next Generation crew 🎥😎
@@bonghunezhou5051 I thought Star Trek 5 was universally hated?
Just finished it, I disliked it. Too cheesy
Yeah, it's pretty damn great. A total romp from start to finish. Nicolas Meyer sure can direct a good Trek movie
Also, on ID, the opening adventure, frankly, looked like a much more interesting story that Cumberkhan
Khanberbatch was really, really good in the film. Great acting and a great villain. But was he Khan? Nah. Did he need to be Khan? Nah. Why would Admiral Marcus need Khan? Why would Khan have great engineering knowledge?
In my head canon, he actually was John Harrison who was one of Khan's chief engineers or scientists or something.
Yeah. They missed a great opportunity to show the real Kahn in one of the Spacepods at the end.
No hate but surprising order!
Generations is actually a really good film. Dennis McCarthy's score is Fantastic. The problem with Generations is it has the stink on it of being the movie that killed, Captain Kirk and that stink is NEVER going to wash away.
It also needs way better pacing.
@@qwellen7521
It's an interesting idea executed rather poorly.
@@alanpennie8013 should’ve been a 3 parter /TV event instead.
First Contact is always my go-to, I just love the idea that Picard can lose his shit like everyone else given enough pressure. Granted, that bit is poorly edited with the breaking of the ships, but I love the film as a whole.
I was really looking forward to that one, even took time off work to go see it -- and even with all the hype and high expectations I still loved it.
At last... Generations gets a high ranking! I also have a soft spot for this non Christmas film (but should be!)
It’s such a good film! I don’t get the hate.
@@craigtowse4340 it's because it doesn't know what it wants to be sometimes it feels like a passing of the torch other times it feels like a parody
It's an amazing movie. One of the best Star Trek movies for sure!
Yes i love it too.. Was a decent ending for Kirk.. Better than Picard got.
Insurrection is phenomenal 😢
I genuinely love that it feels like a long episode - I love the philosophical and moral messages, I love much of the action (though I always want to see more “normal” ship-on-ship action (a bit like what we get in Nemesis)) I LOVE Picard and Worf singing “A British Tar” and my god, the music is absolutely effing PHENOMENAL and gets me emotional and nostalgic.
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I'm one of those who would probably have ranked Generations lower, if only because the damn thing pretty much literally rips Kirk out of heaven just to have him die anticlimactically, but it's not a movie without merit. Personally I think you could safely put WoK and TUC at #1 and #2, because whilst you will find many an old-school fan who can't abide the JJTreks you'd be hard pressed to find any who wouldn't put those two in their top 3.
I have to say I love Beyond too, though, it's just so much fun to watch.
I agree that Beyond is the most fun of the three new Treks. It felt like they were about the get the gist of Star Trek.
Completely agree with this. WoK and TUC are a cut above everything else. The NuTrek are fun to watch, even if all three fall apart on any kind of casual inspection of their story logic - but of these "Beyond" is the best.
Personally I would have put Star Trek IV slightly higher up the rankings (I quite like the Earth based story), but I do generally agree with Rowan. I could watch any of the Star Trek films again depending on my mood.
Voyage Home is just below Khan for me. Makes me laugh hard every time I watch it.
I think Into Darkness and TMP are actually even better mirror images of one another than you've laid out in this video. As you said, TMP was a movie that had great concepts in its script that it ultimately didn't really deliver on, but I think Into Darkness also has some of this aspect. The plot about Admiral Marcus fearing war with the Klingons and becoming increasingly more hawkish at expense of the UFP's values is incredibly interesting and would serve as great political commentary about America's actions following 9/11 and it's a shame that whole aspect of the story was drowned out by the shoehorning in of Khan. I've always imagined in my head an alternate version of that film without Khan following Kirk and the crew attempting to stop Admiral Marcus from instigating war with the Klingons, perhaps even fighting alongside them against the USS Vengeance. I think that kind of story would help it discuss serious issues that face our world today through the Star Trek lens, while still working as the big budget action flick that Paramount clearly wanted it to be. Hell, you could throw in Kor, Kang, or even a descendant of Worf in there to get the nostalgia points, too.
In my opinion, the problem with Beyond being the second film is that you need viewers to know that Kirk has been captain of the Enterprise for a while to get the full impact of him growing disillusioned with the job and the Enterprise's untimely demise. That being said it was a breath of fresh air in comparison to Into Darkness and it's a shame that (so far) we've not really seen what's become of the Kelvin timeline because - as you said - it really does at unlimited potential to do whatever it wants with the Trek format.
I totally agree. I really wish the movie had focused on Marcus being the central antagonist of the film without all the Khan drama, or at the very least, don’t kill off Marcus and have Khan replace him as villain at the very end. That just turns the story away from the main thrust of the film’s message for basically all of the film. If they wanted to include Khan, he could have still served that same role and maybe they could have just had him helping Kirk and the crew and maybe give a nod to Space Seed by Kirk deciding to let Khan and his crew go and giving them another chance, and thus playing that decision into the narrative of what kind of organization Starfleet wants to be and what kind of person Kirk wants to be and if he’s going to let vengeance cloud his morality and respect for another person’s life and autonomy.
And who knows maybe one or two movies down the line, they could have had Khan back to tell a different story, maybe one where in this universe Khan and Kirk could have been allies instead of enemies.
Given how the Kelvin timeline was free of the constrictions of canon, they could have explored so many “what if” scenarios.
@@CaptainPikeachu indeed, wasting the “what if” potential was the most frustrating part for me. I watched Iron Man 3 on the same day in the cinema and vastly preferred that.
@@kaitlyn__L Did you theater hop? ;)
@@BL-mf3jp actually, I misremembered - Iron Man 3 was the day after, and I paid for both :) (or.. maybe I saw Into Darkness on the second day? There was two consecutive days at any rate.)
"There may be spoilers..."
_looks at when the last non-Kelvin ST movie was released_
No, no. There are no spoilers. And anyone who cares about that Kelvin timeline (in spite of the last one being arguably the best of them, but on a budget) has seen them all.
The last off them was by far one if the worst star trek movies in my opinion. I really disliked it.... I think only the first one was kind off ok.
I HATE YOUR CHOICES!!!!
but I respect them sir hehe
My secret favourite is generations but my fav scene is.. I DONT WANT MY PAIN TAKEN AWAY..I NEED MY PAIN
Thank you for an excellent talk on ST
Probably my favorite scene as well. I also don't dislike the movie as much as most people do.
Having binged a fair amount of your vids at this point, I'm surprised at how much I agree with nearly every point you make. This is no exception - wonderful to hear from a fan who isn't whinging about how "real trek is dead, dead, dead" etc. I'm baffled by the tendency in fandoms to complain and tear down, rather than either enjoying what's offered or simply just giving the stuff you don't like a miss. You and "Cinemawins" are my fave channels in this regard. Cheers!
My list in order
Star Trek : The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek : First Contact
Star Trek : The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek : The Voyage Home
Star Trek : Generations
Star Trek : Beyond
Star Trek : The Motion Picture
Star Trek : Nemesis
Star Trek : The Final Frontier
Star Trek : The Search For Spock
Star Trek : Insurrection
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek : Into Darkness
I completely agree, Generations has always been my Star Trek "Christmas Movie". So funny that you said that
Mine (Worst to Best):
(Never seen Star Trek Beyond)
Star Trek: Into the Darkness
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek Generations
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
You should watch Beyond. It's arguably the best Kelvin Trek film.
Beyond is fine. Some fun scenes.
@@Michael_ORourke - I *HATED* Into Darkness halfway through that movie. Then us Trekkies/Trekkers learned the truth while Bad Robot had to do a different timeline (Kelvin vs Cannon). And that's *TOYS.* With that, I have *ZERO INTEREST* in seeing *ANY STAR TREK* made by the current (Bad Robot / Secret Hideout) Alex Kurstsman production team.
@@kevinthetruckdriver353 Um, okay. I don't care about the business side of it. Studios see all movies as a product to sell. Regardless, Beyond is still a good movie.
To all you Trek nerds out there; here is mine:
1.) The Undiscovered Country
2.) The Motion Picture
3.) The Voyage Home
4.) Star Trek
5.) Generations
6.) The Search for Mr. Spock
7.) First Contact
8.) Into Darkness
9.) The Final Frontier
10.) Nemesis
11.) Beyond
12.) Insurrection
13.) The Wrath of Khan
Wow man you put WOK at the bottom.
That’s… odd.
100% agree with no bad Star Trek films. I'm an old Trekkie. ToS after school everyday. Just want you to know where I come from when I say STMP should be at the bottom of this ranking. Full stop. Paramount did a not-so-soft reboot in the next film.
I agree. My mom checked out TMP from the library for a friend and I. We were so bored but we tried to bepolite. Turns out, my mom was thinking of Wrath of Khan. She went and checked it out for me. Boy, it is soooooooooooooo much better. Over the last 25 years I have re-watched Khan countless times, but I have never watched TMP again.
1. The Wrath Of Khan
2. The First Contact
3. The Voyage Home
4. The Undiscovered Country
5. The Motion Picture
6. The Search for Spock
7. Star Trek 2009
8. Beyond
9. Insurrection
10. Into Darkness
11. The Final Frontier
12. Generations
Another fun video! I agree, there's no such thing as a bad Trek movie although although some are better than others. 🖖
Waiting on your ST6: Undiscovered Country Retrospective.
Star Trek 5 isn't a good movie, but it does have some great moment's, especially the camping scenes with Kirk, Spock & McCoy.. Wonderful stuff between those three, as usual.
Honestly I think the fact that ILM wasn't available for the special effects hurts the film a lot. Part of why it feels so cheesy isn't as much the script as it's the weaker parts in the script combined with the shoddy SFX.
There's a really classic TOS tale at the heart of this film otherwise and some of the character interaction here is better than ever. Although poor Scotty kind of gets relegated to being a bit of a buffoon.
@@adamdavis1737 ST V suffered a lot of problems: a writers’ strike disrupted production, there was a very limited budget given the ambitious plot, weak SPX damaged the look, several character moments were insulting (Uhura and Scotty being the most prominent), the first time director was rather notorious for a lack of perspective on the material, but mostly it’s a story that is set up to be a let down. I don’t hate it. I still watch it when I’m jonesing on some trek. I’m just terribly disappointed by it.
The first time I ever saw it, I recalled a comment DeForest Kelley made on Tom Snyder’s Tomorrow show in the 70s. He was in a group of actors from the show discussing, among other things, a revival of the series or as a movie. One idea, he said, was the ship would travel to the center of the galaxy to find God and discover the devil instead. Snyder laughs as he says the country probably isn’t ready for that idea and how could you even pull it off, and Kelley agreed. About a decade and a half later, they were still right.
@@stantheman9072 yeah I'm aware of all of that stuff too. I just think that if you changed nothing else about the movie but had given it better SFX... It just wouldn't feel so damn C grade in comparison to the others
It would still have the issues with writing. Scotty and Uhura were definitely done dirty.
But it wouldn't also look like a low budget film to boot which I feel like just hammers down this feeling of "bad movie" is all
@@adamdavis1737 true
Ignoring the new movies purely because of the timeline not because they don't have merit but mainly I'm less engaged with the reimagined characters
1. First Contact
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Undiscovered Country
then a bit of gap to
4= The Voyage Home
4= The Search for Spock
6. The Motion Picture
and now to the bad ones
7. Insurrection
8. Generations
9. Nemesis
10. The Final Frontier
I had a lot of fun listening to this. Thanks so much for making it...now get that ST6 video out ASAP because I can't wait for that one. It was the first Star Trek movie I got to see in theater so I have a lot of good memories of it.
The Star Trek 6 Retrospective will be out next week.
@@RowanJColeman awesome! Thanks so much for the reply.
I find it funny how Ron Moore & Brannon Braga - who wrote both GENERATIONS and the TNG Finale "All Good Things..." in the same year - said that GENERATIONS took months to write while "All Good Things..." took a couple of weeks and they believe "All Good Things..." was the better product.
It’s a shame it couldn’t be a film because you need to know a lot about the show to get it but yes, that finale is a masterpiece IMO.
@@craigtowse4340 In 'The Fifty-Year Mission', Ron Moore talks a lot about the concern to "know the show" when it came to the movies and how it was something Paramount and especially Rick Berman were concerned about. He was (IMO correctly) of the counter-opinion that it shouldn't matter since the audience is going to be mostly made up of people that have seen the TV shows - hence being the draw for seeing the movie at all. (In particular, he felt that Kirk should be with one of his old love interests in the nexus - like Edith Keeler from "City on the Edge..."). Considering that later such movies like DOWNTON ABBEY and THE X-FILES were box office hits despite being reliant on their pre-existing canon, I would agree with Moore's take here.
For me it's
10. Insurrection
9. Nemesis
8. Motion Picture
7. Final Fronteir
6. Undiscovered Country
5. Generations
4. First Contact
3. Voyage Home
2. Wrath Of Khan
1. Search For Spock
Top Tier - II, VI, VIII
Upper Mid Tier - IV, XI, XIII
Lower Mid Tier - I, III, VII
Bottom Tier - V, IX, X, XII.
Each Tier is ordered chronologically, not by way kind ranking.
I change my opinion from time to time:
1) The Wrath of Khan
2) First Contact
3) The Undiscovered Country
4) Star Trek
5) Beyond
6) The Voyage Home
7) The Search for Spock
8) Into Darkness
9) Generations
10) Nemesis
11) The Motion Picture
12) The Final Frontier
13) Insurrection
I like that this channel doesn't bash the JJ movies, I also enjoyed them. Though admittedly I think they spawned the new series Discovery and Picard which I despise.
My ranking:
1. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
2. Star Trek
3. Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
4. Star Trek: First Contact
5. Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country
6. Star Trek Into Darkness
7. Star Trek Beyond
8. Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock
9. Star Trek Nemesis
10. Star Trek Insurrection
11. Star Trek Generations
12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
13. Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier
Your reasons are interesting and you justify your choices well, but all of the Kelvin timeline films can get to the bottom of the pile and sit there forgotten, as far as I'm concerned.
Not everyone will agree, I know, but I think that a reboot was always a bad idea. And I've thought for a while that Abrams can make a film look good, but struggles with substance.
Exactly. An Abrams film is 100% glitter, and zero percent substance.
Yeah I can't do Abrams lens flare. He's horribly overrated IMHO
@@hunterpdx7061 I don't mind the lens flair or special effects. But if that's all you have...
@@scottslotterbeck3796 He's the directorial version of the phrase "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t" In this case, baffle them with battles.
Hear, hear. I despise the Kelvin prequels (reboots, whatever), and even bearing in mind that opinions are subjective, I was shocked to see two placed on par with TWOK and TUC. Remember, this is the franchise that cannibalizes concepts, backstory, even dialogue simply to provoke a shallow "Hey! I remember that!" response in its audience. I still shudder to think how the Kobayashi Maru test, so vital to Kirk's character in the original films, was turned into a cheap gag played solely for laughs.
The sound design on Nemesis, with good speakers, is fantastic! I do find fascinating and agree with your Insurrection analysis.
13. Star Trek In To Darkness
12. Star Trek Beyond
11. Star Trek (2009)
10. Star Trek The Motion Picture
9. Star Trek Insurrection
8. Star Trek Nemesis
7. Star Trek First Contact
6. Star Trek Generations
5. Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan
4. Star Trek 5 The Final Frontier
3. Star Trek 3 The Search For Spock
2. Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered County
1. Star Trek 4 The Voyage Home
The director's cut of Star Trek: The Motion Picture makes the film a hundred times better. The theatrical version is the one people remember, but the director's cut is up there with II, III and VI, and is my personal favorite.
I got kinda sick of it from watching it on TV. BUT rewatching TMP with the restored effects, and understanding the time at which it was released...well you don't mind that long introduction of the Enterprise at all, it's kind of glorious. I feel as the characters do, coming back with trepidation to their old yet now unfamiliar roles, and the slow burn with the mystery of what they are facing just works. And has Jim Kirk ever felt more real than in this movie?
@@jdraven0890 The slow paced style is deliberate. It was mocked at the time for trying to emulate the cinematic approach of 2001: A Space Odyssey or Tarkovsky's Solaris, but it really worked well for Star Trek. If you think about it, the Original Series and to a large extent TNG were sort of slow paced like that. An episode was 50 minutes and usually not a lot of things happened in that duration, unlike today's 50 minute shows, which try to pack as much plotlines and events as possible in that timeframe.
13 movies is, what, 13! different possible rankings? I doubt you'd find two fans who agree on the placement of every film when there are 6 billion combinations.
Into Darkness is my favourite! I adore that film!
I don't think it's the best by a long shot, but it is definitely my preferred movie.
Insurrection: I haven't watched it in a long time so I have nothing to say about it. Cool shuttles in it! Plus we have an awesome Trill helm officer for the E.
Final Frontier: Haven't watched in a long time so have nothing to say. Nimbus is a fun idea though.
Nemesis: Hot mess of a movie. Got a great battle at the end and some great Romulan designs.
Into Darkness: Feels like a mess but looks great and great acting.
TMP: Haven't watched in awhile
The Voyager Home: Its a fun time. I enjoy it. Ya! I would rank it higher but to each their own.
The Search for Spock: Good, not great, solid ranking.
Generations: Interesting you have it so high! I don't love it but it was the first bit of Trek I ever watched. It was certainly an ambitious movie.
First Contact: I love this movie! Its just a lot of fun and a great time. Probably the easiest movie for me to just pop on and watch it. Its just so, so great.
2009: It has a great cast and it basically reenergized the entire franchise. Also have heard several people who watched and enjoyed the movie and are now getting super into Trek. Its good!
Undiscovered Country: Its my favorite Trek movie! I love it! Don't really have much more to say beyond it is great and my fav.
Beyond: I agree! It should have been the second movie in the Kevlinverse! Its really good as well and just really displays the feel and ideals of Star Trek while also delivering some great action.
Wrath of Khan: Its good. Its not my fav but it is up there. So ya. It good
Some of your rankings I agree with, some I don't. It's all good. I enjoyed this.
My rankings:
1. Wrath of Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Voyage Home
4. Star Trek (09)
5. First Contact
6. Search for Spock
7. Beyond
8. The Motion Picture (Director's Cut)
9. Into Darkness
10. Generations
11. Insurrection
12. Nemesis
13. Final Frontier
I'm so glad someone agrees with me that Generations is not that bad. I always thought it was the awesome crossover I wanted and with Malcolm McDowell and Whoopie Goldberg in the cast! But then I guess I'm a TNG kid and it wasn't really written for TOS fans.
I agree. I actually love generations too
ST: Beyond absolutely does not get enough love. It is right up there with Country and Kahn.
I started watching Star Trek when I was 11. I have loved all of the movies, but I have to agree with your top picks. Thanks again for sharing!
'Earth tones people...browns and beige.' H. S. Plinkett.
Personal list
Into Darkness - rage inducing, pandering nonsense.
Final Frontier - cringefest.
Nemesis - annoying yawnfest.
Insurrection - bland yawnfest.
Undiscovered Country - everyone is stupid.
Generations - pacing issues.
Beyond - underrated.
Motion Picture - slow eyecandy.
Star Trek - flawed but fun.
Search for Spock - worthy sequel.
Voyage Home - silly but fun.
First Contact - dark TNG.
Wrath of Khan - Khaaaaan!
Into Darkness should have been the 3rd film, showing what happens when people like Marcus listen to voices Edison’s.
That’s a grenuily good take; hell had the kelvin timeline had a show, the idea of a destabilised alpha quadrant and more militaristic star fleet would’ve been a good narrative and thematic spine to build it from.
My Dad is a huge Trek fanatic but he could still be wrong about this.
He has told me multiple times that Steward Baird was basically promised by the studio that he would get a directing gig. Somehow, someway the movie he got to direct was Star Trek Nemesis. Why they didn't get anyone else for this or give him a different movie idk. Point is he was promised to direct a movie and was forced to do Nemesis despite not caring for Star Trek. That's the very abridged reason why a man who doesn't for Star Trek directed the final film of TNG.
Also if you've ever seen the deleted scenes for Nemesis. The extended ending where the new First Officer joins the crew and Riker leaves. I hate that it was cut because that is such a better ending than what we got. I wish an extended cut put it in the film proper but it only exists as a deleted scene.
Here's what I find interesting about the villains of the reboot trilogy: they're all men out of time and each represents a particular era of Star Trek (with Nero being the future as in TNG/DS9/VOY, Khan being the present as in TOS/TAS and Krull being the past as in ENT).
Personally I don't feel like the first star trek movie, the motion picture, gets enough love. It has a fantastic first 60 minutes. Jerry goldsmith's score. The new klingon look. The original cast still relatively young. A great movie.
The problem with TMP is the lack of Phase II to establish the characters. And yet, it still could've been done better.
Your top 5 and mine are the mostly the same. If pressed, I’d have to rank them
5. Beyond
4. Undiscovered country
3. 2009
2. First Contact
1. Wrath Of Khan
8:14 ILM didn't do the visual effects for Nemesis. They went with a company called Digital Domain.
The soundtrack of Final Frontier is criminally overlooked.
13. The Motion Picture- I just can't sit through a slow-paced film such as this.
12. Insurrection- I love the TNG crew but what the heck was going on between Aijj and Picard? Wasn't the woman married with a child? What the heck was that about?
11. Final Frontier- Love the opening scenes where the crew is on shore leave after that....yeah pass.
10. The Search for Spock- The spacedock scene was epic. But, I felt it was unnecessary to kill off Kirk's son.
9. Star Trek 2009- a new star trek for a new generation and Leonard Nimoy is back. Can't go wrong.
8. Wrath of Khan- I enjoyed this film the first time I saw it but it is a little gross.
7. The Undiscovered Country- I like this movie. It's underrated. I don't know if it's better than Nemesis but it's definately a repeat watch.
6. Beyond- I don't know if this should be higher than Undiscovered Country but what really sells it for me was the dynamic between Spock and McCoy. Best part of the whole movie.
5. Nemesis- Why kill Data? It's not fair.
4. Generations- The villian Soren is someone you can't help but sympathize with. He is what leads this story.
3. The Voyage Home- Double-dumb ass on you if this film is not in your top 3.
2. First Contact- I loved the character development of Picard. The Borg are fantastic villians and it harks to the beginning of a new era for humanity.
1. Into Darkness- a well-written spoof off of Wrath of Khan. If you like action movies, this is the one to watch.
Least fav is always gonna be Into Darkness. WTF were they thinking?
I actually agree with most of your list and the reasoning why, however I'd personally rate Into Darkness and Generations lower. Anyways, my top 3 (in random order): Undiscovered Country, First Contact and Beyond. Best movie opening: Star Trek (2009). Keep up the good work (Your retrospectives are a Must-Watch for any Trekkie)
Partially surprised but I just discovered your channel and Im soaking up all this great Trek content.
You seem like the kind of bloke id enjoy having a star trek chat/debate with 👌
It might be because I was a kid in the 90s and saw Generations very young, but I’ve always had a love for it. It’s a great movie.
Also, I liked Beyond, but felt like it suffered from the same issue that ST IV did, namely that it had too much take place on a the ground, and not enough in space.
And they blew up the Enterprise _again_ , except without the emotional weight of having to counterbalance Spock's resurrection.
I have seen every film in the theater. My favorite continues to be First Contact.
1. Star Trek: First Contact
2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
5. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
6. Star Trek (2009)
7. Star Trek Beyond
8. Star Trek Into Darkness
9. Star Trek: Nemesis
10. Star Trek Generations
11. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
12. Star Trek: Insurrection
13. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Good choice for your top 5. My main gripe with Beyond is, that Krall and Kirk have too little interactions and because of that there was almost nothing going on between them (as opposed to Kirk and Khan, Picard and Shinzon, Picard and the Borg Queen or even Kirk and Chang or Kruge). Other than that it was a great movie. The Enterprise felt like a real living and working space for the first (and only time) since the 2009 film. I also really liked Yorktown station and the atmosphere when they were entering the nebula. And the setup of starship crew stranded on an alien planet hasn't been done a lot in Star Trek and never in the movies, so it felt pretty fresh. It's a shame it underperformed sandwiched between bigger genre movies like X-Men: Apocalypse, Captain America: Civil War and then upcoming-Suicide Squad.
Great list, pretty close to how I would rank them. I definitely agree with Generations, I love that movie despite some of the obvious flaws. The only thing that really bugs me is that they are saying Soran can't take a ship and simply fly into the nexus because the ship would be destroyed, but that's literally how Kirk ends up there... I'd rank Beyond a bit lower, even though the cast is perfect and really nails the characters (thanks Simon Pegg!), the story is a bit bland and more should have been done with Krall. And it drags a bit towards the end, after stopping the swarm it feels finished but then there's half an hour more... The Undiscovered Country is my undisputed all time favorite Star Trek film!
The problem with First Contact is that I thought ah they finally understood what makes a good TNG movie and the next movies will be at the same quality. Boy was I wrong about that
You're not wrong that it all goes downhill, but that's why it's great
@@TheDayMang you thought Nemesis was uphill? lol
@@purefoldnz3070 Compared to a british Khan without a Chest of Justice?Yeah,even Nemesis can top that^^
Beyond is my go to Trek movie, it’s just everything I envisioned TOS would have been if it had been made with today’s budget and effects. It’s honestly for me Trek at its purest.
really motorcycles and Beastie Boys makes you think of TOS?
Paradoxicallly, Beyond is the most frustrating because it showed that a rebooted Trek didn't have to be the shallow spectacle like the first two. But I say that as some who despised both the 2009 one and STID.
@@etexpatriate The only thing I found interesting in it was finding of the Archer period class of starship and a nod to that series.
The new JJ Trek movies are just popcorn flash bang. If there are any core TOS Star Trek themes in them, they are buried. As Buzz Lightyear said.. Star Trek.. Into Darkness, and Beyond!!!! 🤣
@@KiloOneThree They are more like Fast and Furious movies than Star Trek really.
My personal ranking of the Star Trek movies:
1] First Contact (Perfect)
2] Wrath of Khan (Perfect)
3] Star Trek Beyond (Perfect)
4] Star Trek 2009 (Amazing)
5] The Undiscovered Country (Amazing)
6] Into Darkness (Great)
7] The Search for Spoke (Great)
8] Voyage Home (Good)
9] Generations (OK)
10] The Motion Picture (mediocre)
11] Nemesis (mediocre)
12] Insurrection (mediocre)
13] The final Frontier (BAD)
Kudos to the casting director of the first Kelvinverse movie, mind: they did a _fantastic_ job! I remember being a bit iffy about Zachary Quinto, but he hit all the right notes. Funnily, Kirk is the one character they had the most leeway on, and they went beyond it. They very much bent into the later "action hero/lothario" persona he was later, but Chris Pine did a good job with what he was given. Except with the way they plotted Kirk, until ST:B, he wasn't given much to work with. There was a lot of '90s 'edge' that bleeded into the character unnecessarily. I mean, if you've going to have him going down the road listening to the Beasty Boys, maybe have a link beforehand showing it as something akin to Irish and Scottish folk music that still gets people moving. It's always the small things. Make it believable, and create a connection.
I know a lot of people despised the casting of Zachary Quinto and he does lack Leonard Nimoy's legendary stoicism but I really enjoyed his performances and am entirely OK with him being Spock in the reboot franchise.
I rank Into Darkness much higher now that I watched it immediately after ST09 (the latter which I have always adored). It works much better as a "part two" to ST09 and the four-year gap, I think, really hurt it.
I think I may have to watch Beyond again... I saw it once in the cinema and my memory of it is just "yeah, it was *fine*". Putting it amongst the other films in your top four makes me doubt myself. >_>
I’ve also only seen it once, but I feel like I remember it pretty well. Might have to revisit it and see if I feel differently.
Love your videos. Your thoughts on trek mostly align with my own. I love DS9 in particular and I'm always surprised when others don't appreciate how good it is.
My only major disagreement with the movie rankings would be Star Trek Beyoooonddd! (I always think of Madness One Step Beyond when I say that.)
1. 2009
2. Beyond
3. Search for Spock
4. Wrath of Kahn
5. The Voyage Home
6. Into Darkness
7. The Undiscovered Country
I think none of the movies are entirely bad, but also that - each & all them get overrated a bit (the franchise collectively too), irrespective of them all being at least watchable to being atleast good. None of them are great, & that's ok. It's meant to entertain firstly, and be insightful. It may be a nostalgic thing, but I prefer the OS cast, even the NG cast. The new cast aren't sub-satisfacrory by any means though - & the reboot has been good in it's own right. Some of the story lines, computer-generated visuals, & the production & set designs from the trilogy (09, ID, BYD), have been a leaped improvement as well.
I get that Generations a Christmas movie, but for me, all of the films, all of Trek, period, makes comfortable, fun holiday viewing.
children getting burned alive is a fun comfortable holiday movie? Um... okaaaaaay
Generations was not good. The Voyage Home was much, much better. A fun outing was a nice change of pace.
Good Morning! Happy Saturday and i agree with your logial choices!
Wasn’t expecting Beyond to be so high. I love it too
My ranking, best to worst, feel free to pick it apart at your leisure:
Wrath of Khan/The Undiscovered Country (Tie): These are my go-to Trek movies for all the reasons you're probably familiar with by now. Both endings get me crying every time.
The Search for Spock: This one is absurdly underrated. I don't mind seeing more Spock even if the story is a bit contrived, and it maintains a solid continuity with the movies before and after.
The Voyage Home: Probably the warmest and most comedic of the TOS cast movies. The fish out of water/time travel element is fun.
Insurrection: Another one that gets unfairly slammed in my opinion, though its flaws probably come from feeling more like an extended TNG episode than an actual movie.
Beyond: Easily the best Kelvin/JJ movie and the one that comes closest to capturing the spirit of old Trek.
Generations: Though it's definitely a flawed movie, this one sticks with me on an emotional level. All the character-building moments are great.
First Contact: I don't like what this movie does to Picard's character or to the Borg, but as an action/horror film it's perfectly serviceable.
The Final Frontier: "What would God want with a starship?" is still one of my favorite scenes in Star Trek. Otherwise hamstrung by Shatner's vanity.
The Motion Picture: Hasn't aged well. Fascinating visual effects and atmosphere but Christ is this one S L O W.
Star Trek 2009: Probably Star Trek at its most brainless, but fun enough to make you overlook how silly it is.
Nemesis: I would consider every movie listed before this one at least a B-/C+ in terms of enjoyment. This one is a D+. Make of that what you will.
Into Darkness: The remake of Wrath of Khan NO ONE was asking for. Absolutely the worst one in my eyes.
The last time Jonathan Frakes directed was the Thunderbirds movie. Shame really, the movie had a lot wrong with it but direction wasn't the problem.
He has directed a ton of TV.
There’s a war going on with one of the biggest threats not only for the Federation but the Romulans as well . Wouldn’t make more sense for the “Flagship “ of the Federation to be on the frontlines ? A Star Trek that featured the “ Dominion War “ as the main plot rather then just being mentioned would have been great . The possibilities for a TNG/DS9 crossover film was in paramount’s hands and they wasted it.
If anyone wants my 73 reasons why Insurrection is the best Trek movie, just let me know!
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Nobody?
I do !
Insurrection is my favourite by a mile!
its has pretty much the same plot as Avatar
If you could fix/improve one of your least favourites which would it be?
I think that would make a good video
Nemesis is my personal least favorite for how it did temporarily kill Trek for at least a few years. As for my favorite, it would be Wrath of Khan.
Nemesis was a shit copy & paste of TWOK. Same plot points, same mega weapon to wipe out life, same hero that sacrifices himself for the crew but left a soul save into another to be resurrected.
"They can do anything!"
**proceeds to remake what's already been done**
ST:TMP is a horror movie. The transporter accident and V’ger have caused me more trauma than any modern horror film.
Everyone's wearing browns and beiges - and earth-tones...browns and beige!!!!
It’s so you know they live on a planet!
you mean just like Star Trek The Motion Picture?
@@purefoldnz3070 I really need to get a pair of pajamas like that one day.
For me, my rankings are largely based on re-watchability. Some of them, I can watch over and over again, and others I have no interest in ever seeing again. I should also note that all of the top ten (IMO) have re-watchability despite how poor some people rank them. My bottom 3 are painful to get through.
13. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Could have been a good story. Poorly executed, poor FX, did not age well)
12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (BORING! Thin scripts, dull sets/costumes, slow pace. Good music & FX)
11. Star Trek: Insurrection (Recycles stories from good TNG episodes into a very boring movie)
10. Star Trek: Nemesis (Terrible script, w/ rehashed themes of ST II, but nice action and FX)
9. Star Trek: Beyond (Visually beautiful. Hated the villain, and several missed opportunities)
8. Star Trek: Into Darkness (Many problems, mockery of ST II, but still entertaining in a popcorn kind of way)
7. Star Trek: III The Search for Spock (Decent, middle of the road ST flick)
6. Star Trek: Generations (Good, but the ending was...sad and unnecessary)
5. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Fun, cheesy, 80's comedy/sci-fi Star Trek)
4. Star Trek 2009 (Good reboot of OG Trek, despite some continuity and logic problems)
3. Star Trek: First Contact (Best of the TNG movies by far)
2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Nicholas Meyer is the best ST director)
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (Best of the best)
For me when the TOS films don’t hit the mark, it’s because they got screwed over by the publisher and created a film that missed the point of Star Trek. When the TNG films don’t hit the mark, it’s because they made an episode of the show instead of making a film.
My mum's comment on generations was (after we had watched Kirk beat up the bad guy and save the day . . . again!) that he died with a smile on his face! TNG never had the humour of TOS! Only DS9 ever managed that and really took the story of Star Trek on into the future!
Here is my ranking of the Star Trek movies:
1. Star Trek: First Contact
2. Star Trek: Beyond
3. Star Trek (2009)
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
5. Star Trek: Into Darkness
6. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
8. Star Trek: Generations
9. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
10. Star Trek: Nemesis
11. Star Trek: Insurrection
12. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
13. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Not bad. Not my choices, but not too far from mine. I will save you my rankings... except... Beyond 1 below the other three at the top. Oh, and First Contact needs to be higher.
Insurrection was basically a two part episode of TNG season 5 that had a budget. that’s just my opinion.
also has the same plot as Avatar
You're wrong.
It's a _one_ part episode stretched over two hours.
@@n3onkn1ght also they did a similar episode on TNG with native americans.
I have just finished binge watching ALL Star Trek with my son who is new to it.
No movie is bad, they just feel like a double episode in the series.