The Frieren Mob Must Be Stopped | Frieren: Beyond Journey's End
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- The Frieren Mob Must Be Stopped | Frieren: Beyond Journey's End
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Frieren: Beyond Journey's End (Japanese: 葬送のフリーレン, Hepburn: Sōsō no Furīren)[a] is a Japanese manga series written by Kanehito Yamada [ja] and illustrated by Tsukasa Abe [ja]. It has been serialized in Shogakukan's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Sunday since April 2020, with its chapters collected in 13 tankōbon volumes as of April 2024. The series is licensed for English release in North America by Viz Media. An anime television series adaptation produced by Madhouse aired from September 2023 to March 2024. Crunchyroll has licensed and distributed the series in North America, Europe, and Australia, with an English dub premiering the following month, and Muse Communication licensing the series in Southeast Asia.
Taking place in a fantasy world, the story follows Frieren, an elven mage, as she embarks on a journey to reach the resting place of souls in order to reunite with her former comrade Himmel, whose Hero Party once slew the Demon King.
By March 2024, the manga had over 20 million copies in circulation. Frieren: Beyond Journey's End won the 14th Manga Taishō and the New Creator Prize of the 25th annual Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize in 2021 and the 69th Shogakukan Manga Award in 2024.
After spending a decade journeying together and defeating the Demon King, the Hero Party, consisting of Frieren the Mage, Himmel the Hero, Heiter the Priest, and Eisen the Warrior, return to the Royal Capital where they are celebrated and praised. The party reminisce their journey and watch the Era Meteors, a phenomenon that occurs once every fifty years, with Frieren promising to show them the sight again at a better viewing location. Afterwards, they go their separate ways, and Frieren continues her journey for the pursuit of magic.
A still-youthful Frieren returns to the Royal City fifty years later to retrieve a quest item entrusted to Himmel, now a much older man, for safekeeping. They reunite with Heiter and Eisen, with Heiter having also aged considerably, and they make the trip to the viewpoint Frieren mentioned fifty years ago, once again watching the Era Meteors and reliving their adventuring experiences together
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This is truly one of the takes of all time. RUclips can stop recommending this channel to me for real.
No one asked
:)
That tweet from this Gumi guy actually brings up two good points on what I like about the show.
It's calm and quiet. Most anime have this high energy to it. But Frieren is relaxed.
I really love the show. But if someone says it's not for them. Then I guess that's why it is. Personally, I think the show is fantastic with the world building surrounding magic and interesting characters
It is great...some treat it as if it's a masterpiece and a story to die for.
When it's simply a BEAutiful created anime. I see they want us to enjoy it...but it's nothing shocking
Wow, dude... that's an awful lot of words for "I made up my mind about it before I watched it, and don't want to retract my position."
You didn't hear me say I watched two episodes did you and that I said ITS NOT FOR ME
But listening is hard. I guess :)
@@therealogdaffy You should really give the show more time to cook before making hot takes. Watching 2 episodes is like reading the first 1/2 chapter of a book and then releasing a documentary on why the book isn't very good.
It's just sort of lacking in research.
Though that isn't the point of your video. More so the fans of the show. That's an opinion thing that's fair to have, I think. That said, I think you're judging the fans somewhat prematurely.
Edit: Only watching the first 2-3 eps is FINE, if you aren't into it. But not fine if you're going to make a video discussing the show.
@@therealogdaffy yah, watching to prove your opinion and watching with an open mind are two different things.
You decided in advance you would not like it. On one hand said it had no action and then on the other you handwaved away the actual action and amazing animation at the top of MadHouse's game, and the equal of anything in JJK.
"Two episodes" when the actual action takes place in 4 and there is an actual DRAGON fight in 6?
C'mon dude. you never gave it a chance.
That's fine, but don't make it out like there's some kind of character defect in us fans of the Anime for liking something that you never even got past the starting line of.
@@therealogdaffy I initially had a pretty nasty response typed out, but I took a breath and decided to take some steps back. You watched seven percent of the anime and decided to make a conclusive statement about the fanbase. Any fanbase is naturally going to become inflamed when you immediately say that you wrote a review with extremely incomplete information. At the very least, finish the first episode (the first 4 episodes actually comprise the initial release.) Forming an opinion in advance, then pressing forward to prove it is naturally going to irritate the fanbase of ANY series, and Frieren's fans as far as I've seen aren't even that aggressive as far as Shonin's go.
I simply implore you to finish the first episode before calling the series aimless as the whole purpose is building up to the central goal of the anime/adventure. That's all. If you say you don't like it after that point, you can at least say you stuck around to learn what the premise was.
@therealogdaffy I guess not everyone can get the subtlety behind RUclips videos like yours. Your video is a modern gem. Don't let the haters tell you otherwise.
This is not Isekai. Frieren earned respect for her self and of course you can not liking it but this is masterpiece on many levels. Music, story, characters all fires on all cilinders for continous 28 episodes.
Agree to disagree honestly. By the time I finished bingeing through it I truly thought it deserved all the hype it was getting. I enjoyed the pacing, the characters and dynamics and messaging put it on the level of FMAB for me. I enjoy your opinion on it though! Well made funny vid
You cooking whilst being respectful 🔥
Facts I feel like it’s also a very good beginner friendly anime
I thought Frieren lived up to the hype, it's cool if it's not for you. I haven't seen much toxicity from the fanbase but I tend to avoid those parts of the internet anyways since every anime has toxic fans it seems.
the first 2-3 episodes were not for him, but they honestly weren’t much for me at first either. i only really appreciated them the second time around, after the season ended and i could anticipate the brilliance that the first few episodes were patiently setting up
@@capguncarcrash same honestly, I went and rewatched the beginning after ep8-10 really hooked me and I didn't fully appreciate them until 2nd watch
I feel like it's best to stay away from all fandoms. This show skyrocketed to my favorite anime just for being a solid fantasy that takes itself seriously
this guy is sinking his own ship, does he realize he sounds the most condescending of all? he didn’t even watch it.
I don't even know why this appeared in my recommended lmao? Going by the title, this feels like something that isn't for me. 2 minutes in, and yes, this isn't for me.
I see what you did there
Frankly the most enjoyable thing about watching Frieren: Beyond Journey's End is how very few character are screaming childs or adult with child-like behaviour always flapping about for every thing.. Story are deep, emotional, compelling even if they are mostly "mundane", characters are built by subtelties and idiosincracies not piecharts..
Most issues are solved by behaving by ration beings and not needlessly protracted to pad the runtime.
Every character has a unique take and they are not cardboard stereotypes or copies of eachothers, you seem them bumping heads and rubbing off eachothers, and some random sidecharacter have more story and personality than some main protagonists in other series..
people are allow to be competent and still be silly or aloof or even carefree..
An episode which is basically a review of a restaurant flies by as fast as a duel against mages and both have emotional, story and characters payoff..
Even the downmoments are compelling, there is probably not a single wasted minute of screentime in the entire show...
Art and animation is gorgeous and the music is just majestic
Battles are cool, compelling and you get the sense that those people HAVE to be calm and collected to wield those powers effectively..
In fact the only characters who are excessively talkative are demons and they are depicted as increadibly arrogant and deceiving..
you don't sense fighter are "showing off", every strike is calculate, not random,
they are professionals at their craft,
and even those with more "energetic" personalities are not randomly screaming, they are all in the "zone", even if some enjoy it more than others
Elves are shown kinda detatched and apathic as a default (maybe due to a different perception of time and interactions) but still with all kind of emotions and personalities..they simply show them in different and often more subtle ways..
And frankly nothing shows more epicness, competence and just shear badassery than a fight were the opponents are so engaged they barely blink.
Frieren cold dead set eyes during a duel are a fresh sight to behold.
It's how a being of thousands of years, countless experience would behave..
it's how professionals behave like they are performing their task.
Preach brother preach!
Good lord, you speak as if this show is the next coming of christ..
Glad you like it but not everyone see what you see.
Typical frieren fan, tries to come off as articulate but can’t even spell.
I think it was a well written paragraph just commenting on and praising the show. Why is there such negativity towards him? He did not even attack anyone or blindly defend the show. Who hurts you guys?
Its not for me. The fandom is weird so i ignore everything related to this
Tik tok brain watches 2 eps of a show and drops a full on analysis about it
its about whether you have the emotional capacity for frieren. if you do, then its top tier
Frieren is slow paced which to me is fine and actualy welcomed. But i can see the argument of it not being exciting enough considering how fast paced cinema is in general nowadays.
Frieren community is not that toxic woah bro other shows are worst I’ve seen death threats and others things and brainrots shows got some of the dumbest people I’ve ever seen
It’s bcz it does something different so everyone ride the glaze train
1.) maybe know what an isekai is before actually talking about them, atleast?
2.) I agree with you to some extent. I love Frieren a lot. Like a lot lot. Its my favorite read of last year and probably my top 5 anime, ever. But I also never thought it would be this popular when I read the manga. Its a niche slice of life classic fantasy with action sprinkled into it(at first). It later evolved beautifully into a great fantasy story. The new popularity from the anime attracted the people similiar to the FMAB fanbase. People who think they are better than others. Frieren really does implore you to ask the questions and answer them by observing the character's actions. The person in the tweet wasnt conpletely wrong. It really does need a lot of concentration and rewatches to understand the full context and characters. But thats not going to happen if you dont find the surface appealing. And your taste should atleast match the surface appeal of the anime for you to be ready to dig into the meat of the show. Thats not going to happen for everyone. Everyone's taste differs and Frieren doesnt have the broad appeal Naruto or JJK has and even they have haters. I hate when people who call themselves Frieren fans or fans of anything blame others for just stating their opinions of the show. But the problem is when some people, unlike you, come to speak with "objective" facts about why Frieren is bad. Then its a different matter completely. I love destroying people and seeing other people destroy them.
3.) your whole video is a complete joke because of you bringing Vinland Saga into it. Vinland Saga fanbase is just the same as Frieren fanbase. Saying people who didnt like Vinland Saga are just babies and should grow up. That shounen brain rot has destroyed their attention span. Everytime Ive seen someone criticizing Vinland Saga, the exact words you said made you to think Frieren mob must be stopped were uttered by countless Vinland Saga fans. Do you really think Vinland Saga and Frieren fanbases are that different. Even Chainsawman fanbase utters the same nonsense that triggered you. Most of the popular media I love has much much more toxic fanbases(One Piece, JJK, Chainsawman) than Frieren and so I dont think Frieren fanbase is that bad.
Yeah, I was shocked when he brought up Vinland Saga as an example of no toxicity. That fandom is toxic to itself, you'll have season 1 fans be called too dumb to understand the nuances of season 2. I think this must be a case of him liking Vinland so its harder to see the toxicity because you're not the one getting targeted and being called stupid.
@@elmatador2139 exactly. Tbh, he does seem to know what he is talking about for the most part. I actually thought he was being sarcastic at first by bringing in Vinland saga. I think he is just too biased to see his hypocrisy.
What the point of this video? None one will gang on you if you just say that you don't like Frieren because, I don't know, maybe the pacing of the show is not for you, You prefer more plot driven stories. I'm mean sure it's fair enough. Now if you just come out of nowhere and claim it is overrated, boring, trash or whatever, obviously people will get defensive and you better prepare valid argument to support your takes. You basically insulted what they like. Is it so hard to comprehend?
Of course every community has it toxic component just like how you can easily find jjk mobs as well, so again what the point?
Nah frieren is dope ikc how the fandom is and for me it deserves all that glazing it's that good
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash was likely the best Isekai ive come across I feel like them not having a second season is a high criminal offence given the series and the art and characters etc...
Its not an isekai. Narnia is an isekai. This is just high fantasy.
I KNOW ITS NOT AN ISEKAI
It's not an isekai, BUT Himmel was like an isekai gamer. He took on every quest, helped everyone, explored every dungeon 100%, was on a journey to defeat the endboss, tried to romance the only female in his party and didn't get rid of useless loot(that shadow dragon horn from episode 1).😁
>calling what people like shit
>said people get defensive
>"wtf this fanbase is the worst"
most of the people including that emiliasupremacy tweet never gave an actual criticism. no, saying the character is bland is not a criticism, explaining why the character is bland IS a criticism even if some people disagree, atleast u have some sort of basis why u would think that way.
twitter is a shit hole people use to build a brand so this kind of nonsense bait is no surprise, they want clicks.
frieren fandom reminds me of the mid hero academia fandom fr fr
Hmmm i do get what u mean most isekai do look like eachother but if someone says some things like aot is mid frieren is boring jjk is overhyped and give their reason most of the time it is just cuz its not their genre its not that deep i like frieren aot and am not the biggest fan of one piece naruto etc but im not calling those shows overrated or overhyped or anything like that i just dont watch them 😂 and how can i call a show overrated if i just watch a part of the show😂
Speaking facts over here
At this point the fetishizing of anime characters are carrying them alone, whatever new waifu I suppose
Okay bro if you don't like then ignore it. Frieren manga was one of my favorites even before it became a anime. so i don't wanna hear bad things about this one. frieren season 1 was spectacular for many reasons but next season will be a masterpiece if it gets adapted.
Tell me what bad things I said about the show.
“if you don’t like it, then ignore it” No loll
I don’t know what you’re on the show is amazing it might start slow but it gets good.
Shout out to the editor lmao
I think frieren community was just trying to protect their favorite anime because eversince frieren took the no.1 spot on MaL, it was bombarded with a lot of hate from other different anime fans, so you cannot blame them.
I wouldn't mind more rants
5:50 But... He literally described you... feels like ur just mad at them for calling you out lol
"I watched the first 2/3 episodes and I decided it was not for me"
"I don't like the fanbase cuz they say everyone who doesn't like it has shonen brain rot"
"It's slow"
"Feels aimless"
"Feels episodic but not" (no idea what this means)
These were your takes and ur also a shonen fan so... u hit all the dots. Also most of the video is complaining about the fanbase and barely talking about why you don't like the show. How is anyone supposed to interpret that other than simple shonen brain rot? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (pun intended).
"2 to 3 episodes in" BROTHER 💀
Just FYI the first 4 episodes were released in a batch, they were meant to be watched in one sitting, you literally didn't even finish the intro. 💀
I watched most of the video, and skimmed through the rest when it kinda got to be a lot of, "Yeah, but MMMM, ya know *tsk* It's not for me, you know?" Then it focused more on the shit flinging which I don't care for.
PLEASE, give it the first cour, or at least till Stark gets his fight (or till Frieren gets arrested, what's alluded to be a main plot is introduced there), it's boring because you aren't invested in the characters yet, rewatch and expect to be going into a LoTR-esque fantasy epic. It's like you started watching Mushoku Tensei and stopped watching before turning point 1, the hook you are waiting for IS coming, you are just still in the Shire learning about hobbits and wizards waiting for your call to action.
Don't get me wrong I love fast paced action shows too, JJK fucking had me by the balls(still does), but Frieren has toppled FMA:B on MAL for a reason, it's a story with a living world that does not exist to service the protagonists, it exists in spite of it's protagonists.
The plot certainly isnt thick in Freiren, but if you didn’t make it through the 4 episode prologue, what’s the point in making a video about it? I would recommend sitting down, and at least giving the first 4 episodes a shot, let them set up the show and see how you feel.
I know for sure there is toxicity within the Freiren fandom, just look at the comments on reaction videos where they didn’t react the way the person watching wanted them too. I get that criticism, and I agree with it, but there’s nothing particular or unique about the toxicity of the online Frieren fandom compared to other toxic fandoms.
Kind of a stretch to ask me to extend my patience to episode 4 if I wasn't feeling the first 2 episodes, not going to lie.
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash is a good isekai
Just came to say u can't stop 😂😂😂
with isekai, i perosnally liked the concept...for the first 10 series, after that ...well lol
Hes not wrong. Shonen is a Japanese word that means "boy" or "youth" and is used to describe manga or anime that is primarily intended for boys. Shonen manga is aimed at boys aged 9 to 18 or 12 to 18. So yeah nothing "ADULT" there. Just a bunch of adults acting like kids, which is the individuals prerogative, seeing as they are adults. :P
Frieren gotta be one of my favorite anime OAT, but I definitely agree about the whole toxicity and belittling thing being for lack of a better term a turn off. I’m a diehard Shounen and specifically DragonBall fan, but I’ve always hated the superiority complex of some fanbases when it comes to their series.
Also I’d definitely recommend Re-zero for an isekai.
Frieren: beyond Journey's End is starting to get the "Unlike other mecha anime" treatment and I need people to calm down a bit lmao
Isekia you could enjoy… there is not much because most of them are the same. However I have three that I enjoyed watching and reading:
- That time I was a slime
- classic
- The Ascandance of a bookworm
- u get so invested in these characters and begin to love the slower light novels and animes
- The beginning after the End
- I binged read 300 fucking chapters.
- Similar to Mushoku tensei but after the first arc it becomes its own story and even better
Those two are no Isekais but fucking worth reading:
- Ajin
- has one of the best antagonist you can imagine
- 86
- watch the trailer and decide for yourself :)
The wrong way to use healing magic...is quite good.
Konosuba- thatd more of a gag on the tropes but still.
As for your question about isekais. The isekai genre as a whole compared to other genres is very mid. A lot of us isekai fans knows and accepts this. So dont feel bad about it not being your cup of tea.
YOOOOO!!!!!
Frieren isn’t an isekai, but re zero is a good try. I understand if you don’t like it from the 1st few episodes cuz the development for Subaru take a bit, and his character becomes complete in the half way point t of season 2. But if you’re willing the wait and stick through, season 2 is a gem and season 3 will drop soon.
One piece slander gained a SUB! The funny thing is shonen is actually very deep..bleach is a good case where kubo put 75% on us to work and find these hidden gems. There NO narrator,show dont tell(sometimes KUBO WE NEED TELLS)
its there...but because mediocre elites want there boring shit to be the biggest smartest thing eva
But there levels to it, but its on you if you're in to that.
Its just fans WANTING to feel "Smart" and we know t
Frieren FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suspect you really liked Vinland Saga.
Have you considered that your view on Frieren's fanbase is jaded by the fact that you were predisposed against the show from the start, and thus crafted your view of the community surrounding the show inside your head in a similar way?
I love vinland saga lol
And no I'm not jaded, I gave the show a fair shot. Idk why people in the comments say I immediately wrote it off.
@@therealogdaffy A lot of people are saying that because the most common criticism is "the show is kind of slow"; which is just somewhat amusing.
Have you ever seen Madoka? If you watch the first episode of that and walk away thinking it's just Sailor Moon, it's the same sort of thing.
To elaborate because work is boring:
The first 4 episodes were aired as a single movie (how they were meant to be consumed). Their goal is to create real-feeling and believable characters that you can relate to on an emotional level.
From that point forward, the series starts taking things like action and drama more seriously.
I assume you don't mean the pacing is slow, but correct me if I'm wrong. The show's pacing is actually borderline breakneck speed, considering we cover two unique storylines each episode.
@@virtuosofluxIt’s not that deep..
If the first 3 episodes didn’t capture his interest then why strecth it any further?
He didn’t enjoy the pacing and that’s that.
I seeen people. over hype, everything jjk shibuya rc was as freemen had no violence for me to get invested
I tried frieren i stoped at ep 3 it's like nothing happend and time skiping every episode i will give it another chance in other time but i watched an anime aired as same time as frieren called the apothecary diaries it's so enjoyable and episodique then conacting the episodes later on it's so fun and deserves some spotlight.
The immature youtuber hard locked to 6k subs due to immaturity. Can't say I'm surprised.
At least I'm not an immature child who got so offended over a video where the actual anime itself wasn't disparaged but rather the fandom itself acting out, I decided to leave a comment proving his point exactly. Y'all are hilarious. Stay mad :)
Konosuba
Bro i agree, frieren is waaay too popular (i read the manga and have watched the anime) I think it is pretty good but the way that show is soooo glazed, the one thing that really tipped me over the edge is that on MAL it is higher than FMAB, that is a war crime.
also reguarding the isekai suggestion watch Mushoku tensei, honestly one of the best shows ive ever watched
FRIEREN =/= ISEKAI
FANBASE =/= SHOW QUALITY
i think you would genuinely enjoy the show Frieren : Beyond Journey’s End if you watched it. you enjoyed Pluto, and Frieren is similar. you made quite a fuss and i gotta say, it’s incredibly condescending. not sure what exactly is bothering you here, but i can tell you that it’s not the actual show Frieren - you didn’t even give it a fair try. like i said before, there’s a reason they dropped the first four episodes at one time. and even that wasn’t enough for me, i definitely enjoyed it fine but it wasn’t until the last arc with the care that was given to each new character that i decided it was my favorite show of recent times. at least get as far as the arc where Frieren is imprisoned for her treatment of a demon. the show might be overrated and definitely has flaws, but Madhouse still adapted it to near perfection, and it doesn’t deserve the treatment it’s getting from people who haven’t even watched it past the intro - which is boring as fuck, btw.
you don’t have to like the show or the fanbase, but to criticize something so absolutely, you must at least know what it is you are criticizing. just watch the fucking show. give it 10-12 episodes and you’ll definitely want to binge the rest.
I think this a case of seeing the negative side of a fandom because you don't like the show, which is fair enough. I love both Frieren and Vinland Saga and to me, the latter's fanbase always seemed to think they were superior far more than Frieren's. I saw a video of someone saying that they felt S1 was better but they could see the appeal of S2 and that comment section was far worse than this one for instance. So it's weird for me to see a video criticising Frieren's fanbase and holding the Vinland Saga fandom as much better.
You are always going to see the superiority complexes of fans of highly rated anime you don't like because if you did like it, there is a part that would agree with them. Like how part of me agrees with them, Frieren is far better than JJK and you're an idiot for not finishing the prologue and understanding the nuances of that shopkeeper that appears for two scenes in episode 1, go back to watching people punch each other. JK kinda, you could have at least watched the prologue
I don't think any other show has put me to sleep like Frieren LOL
Well then, to each their own...
I find it strange that you allow the fanbase to effect your enjoyment of a show. Also, the first 4 episodes originally aired as a single 2 hour special, so you kinda only watched half an episode before deciding it's not for you.
Hey, if you don't like it, that's fine, but be honest as to why. The show is very good for what it sets out to do, so other than to just troll, there's no real reason to go around crapping on its fans just because you couldn't get into it for whatever reason that may be.
He has every right to criticise the fanbase with all the glazing i’ve read of the show from fans..
Don’t you see the hypocracy in saying that he craps on the fans just because he didn’t like the show and recieved animosity from frieren enjoyers and rightfully called out their behaviour to other people that don’t enjoy the show, because you’re basically doing the same thing.
He also stated why he didn’t enjoy it which you must’ve missed..
Also i just don’t get the 4 episode thing, people usually only do give 2-3 episodes before they decide the show isn’t for them but Frieren for some reason is an exception just becuase the first 4 episodes aired at the same time?
@@Robin503 The 4 episodes is for people that say the show has no direction. The first "4 episode" were actually produced as and aired as one 2 hour episode. So, if you're truly going to watch "2 to 3" episodes of Frieren, then would be watching the first one, that's the currently split 1 to 4, plus another one or two.
The reason he stated was basically "I just didn't like it," which is fine, different strokes for different folks and all, but doesn't require a whole video to say. The only reason to create a video like this is to troll those that do like it.
You should expect to get dirty looks if you walk into a restaurant, order a food you don't generally have a taste for, plug your nose, take a nibble, and then announce loudly to everyone that you don't like it.
Like Castlevania and JJK (I failed on that one) I try not to interact with the Fandom with Frieren because I don't want it to ruin a show I really love.
CASTLEVANIA MENTIONED GRAAAAAAAAGH
everyone has their tastes, i find code geASS lame
Man, this show put me to... 😴😴😴
Frieren is just another good show that got popular for good reasons I think (obviously not for everyone), but yeah the loud minority of pretentious fans are annoying. To me Frieren is the best boring anime I’ve seen lol.
I can’t agree with you
@@hxlobeats oh my god! He disagreed that’s messed up
@@chakyitsmydog4298 when u said “another good show” that’s when I couldn’t agree the show itself is too unique to just be another good show it’s one of a kind
@@hxlobeats when some asks me if Frieren is a good show or not I tell them “yeah it’s a good show” and let them decide if its peak fiction or not. I’m caught up with manga btw I love this series
@@chakyitsmydog4298 That's fair. I feel like the Frieren fandom is pretty tame compared to most, but I usually only interact with manga exclusive channels
Exactly. I enjoyed Frieren but I like that kind of story. I didn't enjoy Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood. The art style and voice acting just didn't appeal to me, but I don't hate those who love it. Nor do I think everyone should like what I like. I enjoy One Piece, but I like The Apothecary Diaries and My Dress-Up Darling too. Everyone has different tastes that's why so much variety exists. People just need to let people like what they want. I clicked on your video because I though the title was interesting, I wanted to know why you used that title. Glad I did.
4:13 - Agenda deal? I am super curious about what you meant by that. I have some ideas but I would love to hear more about that in another video.
I have been trying to understand why this fandom has such a delusional superiority complex. There are so many shows where people say both good and bad things about shows while still admitting they like the show but with Frieren there does seem to be some kind of movement behind it. I have watched many videos praising the show and almost all of them are expressing the idea that Frieren represents the change to the status quo that they want to see in the Shonen genre. It is an agenda if you will, almost a form of activism. The show not just speak for itself, it speaks for the progress of the genre itself and so it must not be challenged. It's not that I am not sympathetic with that. I think a lot of people who dislike the show also are tired of many of the Shonen tropes but they don't think that Frieren is going to be the catalyst for this cultural change that some want to see at all costs.
It is very strange how "Battle Shonen" has now become a derogatory strawman word that is used to deflect ALL criticism on the altar of "subtlety" in regards to Frieren. I watched the entire Season of Frieren and I can confirm that nothing that happens after episode 2 is really going to change your opinion of the show. In fact, all of the very superficial faux-deep analyses of this show really are only valid for the first two episodes. I can go into much greater detail but I am not going to drop an entire essay in your comment section but the cliff notes are basically this. The premiere basically sold the idea of the show based on all of the concepts and thematic material that people most talk about. Time, family, stuff like that. However, after the first two episodes, the rest of the show barely does anything to reinforce these original themes and the problem gets worse further into the show. When you said the show was aimless, you are correct. It is clearly one of those kinds of shows where they will sprinkle the actual thematic material throughout seasons of the show while most of the show is just mundane and trivial slice of life that gives all of the comfort watchers of the show the "vibes" that they so desire. None of this is a bad thing but something that has been sorely missing in the conversation is context and that is because the agenda is hidden but it is definitely there. I am interested to get your thoughts.
It is very difficult, perhaps for want of skill, for me to explain the sheer brilliance of Frieren, because just like any other timeless work of art - Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, Faust, etc - it will only be appreciated decades, if not centuries, after its generation. Thus, us living now cannot fully appreciate or understand it, because we suffer from a heuristic, post-latent modernity bias. But nevertheless I will try to explain what makes it the greatest work of fiction ever told. Ever. I’m not exaggerating. I’m being dead serious.
Frieren requires a deep, intimate, almost PhD-level knowledge of Kant, Hegel, Aristotle, Plato, Nietzsche, Locke, Hume, Hobbes, Sartre, Kafka, Foucault, Heideggar, Schopenhauer, among a few others to have an adequate understand of most of its themes. The plot is in effect a synthesis of western and eastern philosophy, which is a feat no writer has ever accomplished. It’s the definition of innovation. The characters are... deep. Just... so fucking deep it hurts. They feel raw, real, three-dimensional, and when I’m reading them, it feels like Kanehito Yamada is looking into my soul, my core, and lecturing me about the epistemological aspects of human nature. I usually spend my free time reading through Dostoevsky, Gogol, Derrida, and Laozi just to complement the psychological realism of even the minor characters, which any other writer would neglect.
The sheer dread, cynicism, and terror of the Frieren world makes even Golden Age Berserk look like a fucking Saturday morning cartoon. It’s just so, SO dark, so... black.Yamada's IQ must unironically be in the 99.99th percentile, if not higher.
Frieren is not a manga, it’s not a mere story, it’s an attempt to express the reality of the world and the incomprehensible complexity of human beings into a visual form (See Frieren vs Aura as an example). Kanehito Yamada has unironically surpassed Shakespeare.
Tried watching Frieren and i just didn’t like the characters..
Frieren was too ignorant and monotone for my liking to the point her obliviousness was hard to watch, people called her badass but i just couldn’t agree since she had the same damn expression in her fifth fight, If she doesn’t care then why should i?
Fern got mad at the most minor things and stopped their ”Journey” from time to time and that was so annoying to me like calm the fuck down.
And lastly Stark is a wuss and just takes the Fern slander without telling her off, i did enjoy him the most but it felt like he was ignored atleast in how useful he actually is and never developed beyond swinging his axe harder.
calling Frieren "ignorant" is certainly and interesting choice of words..
considering she is probably the least arrogant and second (or third) most knowleageable character show up until now and always strive to secure more knowleadge
on the monotone.. well is clearly part of her personality (or most elf apparently), and she clearly have others side to her, also how exactly would you expect a being that have lived alone for centuries to behave? i would have been more put off if she had a flashy personality and perfect people skills..
i mean..
a lot of people seems to prefer loud and bombastic to calm and collect..
if a character doesn't have a "damaged" tattoo on his forehead how can i understand his behavious and personality..
frankly watching a competent people not flapping about but being surgical was a breath of fresh air..a lot of animes "excessive shouting and exaggerated movements" have started to appear very fake and forced to me..
But i agree that Stark is a bit underdeveloped (not much help in a mage training arc) and that Fern has a difficult personality which clearly Stark have problem dealing with..and Sein, and Frieren
which is TOTALLY UNREALISTIC for young teens to be irrational, petty and clueless in this sort of stuff..
(the last part was sarcasm)
But hey often a show is not for one or his not the right movement, it's a slow, melancholic show where most character behave fairly stoic, breath of fresh air for me, annoying for someone else..
i mean there are people who watch "my life has inukai san's dog" and say "YES!"
This video be bad.