I do know she was the smartest person in Alien. Inside alien ship "let's get the hell out of here". Alien on ship killing people " Let's take our chances in the shuttle"
@@adamarens3520 "But the shuttle only takes four...." Hey you guys....We need some toilet paper for the shuttle. Could you go get it? Muhahaha....bye suckers !!!!!
Except no one's asking to be "accepted"... I don't ask that people "accept" anything about me, they either learn to live with it, or we have a problem. That's like someone being proud of "tolerating" other people, like it makes them a fucking superhero...
You guys might be missing the spirit of the original statement. First it's tolerance, then the celebration of diversity. THEN not giving a shit, which is the ultimate. You're welcome kids.
...that's easy for HIM to say because he's not the one who has to give up his single-sex spaces and sports teams to a trans-identified man. HE's not the one that's being called "birthing person", "menstruator", "vagina-owner" and "chest feeder". And he's not the one being asked the definition of "Man".
@andrewsheridan612 yes that are , and as soon as they are accepted its no enough. Why accept people who cant accept themselves or reality. At this point its enabling idiots and the mentally ill. If my comment offends anyone I really don't give a single micro fuck.
Maybe it was due to my innocence at not understanding workplace harassment, but I always felt Parker’s colorful remark to her at the start of the dinner scene about what he’d rather be eating brought to light a friendly bit of sexual tension between them. Later, the fact that after shouting for her to “Get out of the way!” but she wouldn’t/couldn’t, he chose to jump at the xenomorph rather than light it up shows he cared more for her safety than his own. At the very least, they were extremely natural and human characters that helped to further characterize the xenomorph as everything else.
Yeah, Parker was definitely a badass for trying a melee a Xenomorph to save Lambert. It's just a shame that she was too paralyzed by fear to take advantage of his sacrifice.
I’ve read somewhere that Lambert is supposed to represent the audience hence her reluctance to step outside the ship & hang around in the derelict, her freakouts when the crew are picked off 1 by 1, her blind instinct to ‘freeze’ when attacked by the Xenomorph...
Strange that I never heard of this before. But this doesn't change anything. Even if she was transgender she seemed to unambiguously identify as female. Parker's joke still works as do all the rest of the crew dynamics.
Imon she was genetically corrected in utero. While she very theoretically is transgender she transitioned before birth and has known no identity but female. The term almost doesn't apply since shes never been anything but female. Ideally someday transpeople will never even know we were trans.
Shannon Warner ... A lot of babies go through cycles of male and female before they finally land on one and stick with it in utero: So I was born a mail, but at different points in my mothers womb; I took on female traits and parts of my mother or her mother at Cetera at Cetera, before finally coming back to Mail then probably again the female at Cetera at Cetera...Then the last second the roulette wheel landed on Male for me. i’m 6 foot five and I am very attractive, but at same time I look exactly like my mother and have a lot of the same shape that she does: hips long legs long lower torso dainty wrists etc etc High cheekbones...
The way it's phrased seems to suggests not a deliberate procedure, but rather some sort of random event that changed the character's sex, maybe a side-effect of some drug, like a "Thalidomide baby".
Some of my mail still doesn't get delivered to me I don't think the post office cares that I'm male but maybe my mail would get delivered if I was female..who knows.
this kind of reminds me of an interview done back in 1989 involving Gene Roddenberry. During a press interview for the premier of Star Trek: TNG, a reporter asked Roddenberry " Wouldn't they have cured baldness in the future?", in reference to Captain Picard. Roddenberry's response was simply "In the future, no one cares about baldness." Perhaps in the Alien universe, no one cares that someone is trans.
Very consistent with the ideas in Alien that nudity and casual sexual relationships would no longer be taboo (though both were ultimately toned down or abandoned in the final version for unrelated reasons).
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 I first noticed her in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers even though I had seen her in her child roles. She impressed me immediately as Jeff Goldblum's wife. Then she's in "Alien?" Wow.
@@xm_heecka.laddder.job_mx5962 it's a reference to a Aliens line from newt, when Ripley asks about their parents hahaha I actually love Lambert being trans
But seriously of all the stuff that gets dragged into idpol, I have wondered for a long time how this has gone under the radar. Probably because it wasn't pushed in everyone's faces. Y'know, with Lambert constantly referring to it, demanding the Xenomorph respect xer pronouns, etc.
😄 Buzzfeed staff surely has zero mathematical/logical aptitude, a prerequisite for coding. Wonder what algorithms they would conjure up with their made up 'pseudo moralistic' science 🤔
She'd probably say whatever would go down well today. The bottom line is that it was never considered in the original script or film. At most, it's a later addition that doesn't really change anything.
If James Cameron decided to make Lambert transgender--apparently as a trivial afterthought--that doesn't retroactively make her so in Ridley Scott's original film.
@@nutyyyy Yeah, and there's also no other non-verbal communication to the audience to this notion as well. No medical file reveal, no scene where she uses hormone therapy, nothing. It just doesn't add up with anything we've seen.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I think if their society evolved to make interstellar travel common to the point that ‘lower class’ workers deliver goods to other planets on the regular, then they must’ve evolved their medical technology to a state where people can easily change their genders to have actual working reproductive organs. The two don’t exactly correlate with one another, but my point is that the possibility of a full blown gender transition procedure isn’t out of the picture considering the advanced state of the alien universe’s society.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978Don't worry. You'll all have plenty of tears to cry once I explain that this movie would've already been trashed as woke garbage in today's political climate anyway. The story is a total role reversal. The man gets violently raped and impregnated and the woman saves the day! Imagine how many movies you all could've enjoyed if not for your RUclips demagogues teaching you to hate anything that doesn't have a straight white man in the lead.
Apparently some of the source material expanded on the issue of gender relations between humans in the Alien universe: men and women in the future coexisted more openly with their sexuality and relationships were very liberal even compared to today's standards. The movie adaptation eventually refrained from offering any details on the subject even though there are some hints scattered here and there: there is some sexual tension between characters e.g. Parker and Lambert in Alien, Vasquez and Gorman in Aliens. Family names are used between the characters, making them hypothetically adaptable to be any gender required. I am not sure that Ellen Ripley was always intended to be female. Unfortunately I no longer recall the source for this but it must have been in one of the countless documentaries I have watched over the years. In any case, it is evident that sexuality is an underlying theme in Alien. It deals predominantly with its darker aspects though: rape, forceful impregnation, violence. Ironically the latter are all administered evenly, and without regard to gender.
Seems those attitudes are similar to the ones in ancient Greece and Rome, where a person's orientation was simply a non issue (I once read they didn't even have a concept of homo/heterosexuality, but not sure how true that is). Interesting given the prevalence of Greek and Roman names in the Alien universe (Nostromo, Narcisus, Sulaco, Acheron, Fury, Auriga, Prometheus, Romulus, etc).
What debate? She's a woman. I heard there was a script in which the characters were written to fill in either a man or a woman; one or the other. Maybe I don't sound very inclusive by saying that but growing up with this film I was never confused as to her gender. I always viewed Lambert as a woman. Did I just assume her gender? Yes, and it was the correct assumption.
Depends where you stand on the whole gender debate. If you believe it's possible for a person to alter their birth gender, then she's a woman. If you don't, then "she's" a man. Unless you don't regard Aliens as canon, in which case the whole argument is irrelevant.
Also, isn't it Aliens that features a bit of convo among Marines along the lines of: "Yeah, it was when we were on leave on Centauri that we banged those hot chicks?" "Yeah, but the one you had wasn't a chick!" "Hey, when it's Centauren, it don't matter!"
Even more interesting.. According to Ridley Scott, Siguorney Weaver replaced Veronica Cartwright as Ripley during casting. Siguorney was a newcomer to acting. This caused tension on the set. That tension may or may not have been captured in the deleted scene where Lamberts strikes Ripley outside the Med lab because Ripley refused to open the airlock. The reason Veronica was bumped for Siguorney was that the studio wanted the heroine to project more female sexuality and, in Ridley Scotts own words; "Siguorney is certainly the person to certainly project that."
@Cornelious Stradivarius It was real because Weaver kept ducking the slap, so Ridley Scott told Cartwright to try extra hard to hit her. So when Weaver went to duck the slap, Cartwright hit her the other way instead, so she moved right into her hand haha.
@@morbidone88 She also turned up late because she went to the wrong hotel. But they remembered her seeming very composed and formidable, despite being obviously nervous and worried.
@@MachinedFace88ttv if you feel "forced upon" by harmless world-building then you have bigger problems, bro. It's 2019. Open a medical journal. Or I have many transgender friends who would be happy to explain it to you
There's so much in Alien I love so deeply. No forced agendas(I refer to those that is so forcefully clear), all the roles and characters, the setup of the story and the untold hero Ripley that atleast through half of the movie you will realize that she might be the one to survive. And this is in the fucking late 1970's folks. This is the main reason why I think Alien is the best movie ever made.
Yet another fantastic video and great information that's been overlooked by many over the years I'm sure! Thank you so very much for all you do as always! Your humble & honored servant and Hive Queen, Lady Anne ^^ö^^ (Jessica M. Kandal, PhD)
If she is trans then it adds a small comfort to the trans community with a "one day we will be accepted" message. But it does not add or take anything from the film as a horror film or as a masterpiece of cinema. Much of the subtext of phallic objects and the horror of violation are unchanged whether or not she is trans or CisGendered. Just enjoy the movie for Fox sake.
Finding obscure trivia is a way of enjoying the movies, because alot of people find worldbuilding to be interesting. Sure, on its own something like this is insignificant, but it does, along with numerous other tidbits of info, like the crew's indifference to finding extraterrestrial life and there being policies in place for such events, hint at a bigger world behind it, and makes the alien universe seem more like a real place.
I believe she was born intersex, and had gender assignment because that's the usual medical route/response. And it also may have been a homage to Alien, it being genderless and the Queen in James Cameron's film being given a gender.
This is so fucking stupid and kinda insulting to Veronica Cartwright, like "oh we gotta keep the spotlight on ripley as the strong woman of the series so from now on the short haired one used to be a dude"
Very interesting! I'd assume that the biographical information that appeared onscreen is canon. However, there wouldn't necessarily be any other references to it with regard to Lambert for the same reason that there wouldn't be allusions to her having her tonsils removed as a child. It's not considered an especially noteworthy point in that universe. There are certainly implications that sex in general is considered much more casually then vs in our current world.
I dunno about any debate...but it really doesn't matter about a fictional character and I never even questioned Lamberts gender because in the film it really doesn't mater
In one of Easter Eggs feature of the original Alien dvd, the crew bios listed their gender as male or female with the word “natural” tagged on. It already suggested way back then that transgenderism is common in the future.
I know that Jenette Goldstein has refused to say one way or another her speculations on Vasquez's sexuality, I suspect Veronica would probably take a similar approach
Probably mad, I mean she was when she finally saw her death in the movie, playing around with it keeping her in the dark and then to just find out it was none of the ones she did but instead a edited death. And to know that they played with her gender too... Yeah I'm sure pretty sure upset.
@eviltreemonster Well Jenette herself said that as far as Vasquez was concerned it was no ones business but her own, and that everyone invested themselves and their own views on the character and she didn't feel it her place to take whatever they made of Vasquez from them.
If it was in the prop from the film I don't see why not to include it. Seems like interesting world building. Especially that she was altered at birth. Which suggests either that they could tell that she would be transgender from birth or - more interestingly to me - that her parents just wanted a girl and so had her gender altered. Both options tell us about the world but the second one seems somehow more aliens/blade runner to me. With the more dubious moral implications.
Woman. Deleted scene Ripley asked Lambert if she slept with Ash and in the book it was implied some members of the crew were having intimate relationships.
I was about to say. It's implied in that scene that she had slept with some of the crew before. I just think it's an afterthought that was added in much later.
@fortgrove3166 do you think that people don't hook up with trans women? There sure is a lot of erotica out there. Seems like nobody cares in this universe either way.
I wish they'd just release a cut with ALL scenes reinstated, even if some are just raw footage. There's another deleted scene that shows Ripley and Dallas are having an intimate relationship, and I heard a scene was filmed where they find the fossilised remains of the alien that burst out of the jockey, though I've only ever been able to find a picture of it and it's kinda difficult to make anything out.
Interestingly, people seem to have skipped the mention in Dallas' jacket - Tyrell Corporation Assuming they're actually part of the same universe (which Cameron might have considered as homage to Ridley Scott in both directions), it's entirely possible Lambert was a replicant. It's not that far fetched. K, in Blade Runner 2049, was Rachel's child - proof that it *was* possible for reproductive creation of replicants, that would grow as a human. Given the corporate philosophies of Alien, coupled with the problems of giving fake memories to older versions of replicants, it's entirely possible that was actually developed further past the Nexus 9. They'd be cheap crew members, easily programmed for the task at hand. Yes, they had Ash, an actual synthetic, on board Nostromo - but he was a last-minute replacement for that mission. Weyland Yutani might have done it because a synthetic might be better suited for acquisition of an alien - faster, stronger, not biological in nature. Then toss in the rest of Lambert's bio. "subject's social counts are too low for large crew, up mode status" ... What's "up mode status"? "moderate intelligence and performance abilities did not substantially increase after security patrol navigation duties" ... Getting stuck navigating a security craft isn't usually expected to "substantially increase" the intelligence of a human being - but might be for a self-learning machine "subject should not be upgraded until ..." ... Could mean rating upgrade. Could also mean software upgrade. So that ends up leaving "Subject is a Despin Convert at birth (male to female)". We have no idea if a "Despin Convert" is a process, an intersex condition, or simply a model being modified, to meet consumer demand or even just to create a new reproductive replicant from a "stock" design Lastly, remember Lambert's bio says "female (unnatural)"? - lots of leeway in the word "unnatural" there. Would anyone really put it past James Cameron to come up with Chekhov's biographical entry? The Alien franchise is body horror. Judging by the comments below, it seems it's still scaring some people even today :)
An interesting background detail and does offer some hindsight insight into Lambert's admittedly slightly androgynous look. That it was mentioned at all in her file with no on screen comment or reaction from the crew hints that either they didn't know or didn't care if they did know. I also can't help but remember Hudson's comment about "Arcturian poontang," suggesting further that gender/sexual orientation isn't quite the hot button subject in the Aliens Universe as it is tends to be in ours. And that tracks pretty well for a society that has advanced far enough to engage in regular space travel.
Considering that we are not now, never have been, and never have seen any space faring civilizations that "regularly" travel around the cosmos... your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence. It is both pure speculation AND pure agenda to believe and spread things like that without evidence. Is it possible? Sure... But no... it does not stand to reason. More than likely humans would be warlike against any other cultures just as we still are here on our own planet. Keep in mind that this is only a couple hundred years from now.... we haven't solved these kinds of problems in tens of thousands of years of history, and you think we will just suddenly change because we are space-faring? No... we bring our problems with us, we don't solve them and then move.
@@christianjohns8352 "your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence." No, my premise is that humans, happy little fuck machines that we, would eventually come to see gender or even species as less important in our coital pursuits if we did move out into space and encountered alien species. And if you don't believe that, take a trip to the deeper parts of the internet sometime. To paraphrase Doctor Who, so many species, so little time. Also, learn what the word Androgynous actually means and how to apply it. I wasn't saying humans would become more androgynous. The lines from Frost indicated HE didn't mind if Arcturian he was with was male or female. And his squad mates don't seem to give him any real grief over it. That's not an "agenda." That's actual social progress.
@@bladerunner3314 And here's to hoping we will one day no longer have insecure twats whose only defining trait is complaining about knowing someone's pronouns or sexual preferences.
@@steampunker7 Awwwww, feeling triggered, snowflake Beavis? I'm sorry you prefer identity politics over good stories. If left to your kind, we would've known back in 79 Lambert is trans, because she wouldn't have shut up about it, right to the moment the Xeno kills her. Maybe one day you'll realize nobody should care about you ... oh, see? You ARE irrelevant. Now keep crying 😆😆😆😆😆😆
I like it. Doesn't change the movie in anyway, just adds a little extra bit of lore. I mean, transgender transitions exists now... So it only makes sense that it would also exist in the Alien franchise's interpretation of the future. Nice to see some inclusivity of minorities, without it being in the forefront and given a huge song a dance... It doesn't need a song a dance, just to be mentioned, like this. Plus, I find it a nice explanation of why Lambert was found naked from the waist down after her death. I'm of the belief that xenomorphs can reproduce sexually if required, but eggs are more efficient. The drone on the Nostromo couldn't change to a queen, as the area wasn't safe, hence why it was abducting crew and ovomorphing them. Then suddenly, it finds Lambert who at first glance is female. It attempts to impregnate her to create another drone, but finds that this won't happen as she is trans, and as such kills her as it had other members of the crew... Hence naked from the waist down. I believe this was sort of touched on in another one of Alien Theory's videos a while back.
But that wouldn't be trans-gendered. If someone is biologically female which Lambert is. Then that doesn't imply trans-gendered. Also trans gender is a new phenomenon. It wasn't around back in 1979.
@@oldgreg2914 Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sexual Research was pioneering Trans health care as far back as 1919 until it was shut down by the Nazis in 1933. Lili Elbe started transitioning in 1930 In 1936 Mark Weston transitioned to male. Roberta Cowell transitioned in 1951 Christine Jorgensen transitioned in 1952 And this is just a few of the most notable cases. Hell, the same year that Alien was released I'm 1979, The World Professional Association for Transgender Health was founded. So no, it isn't just a new phenomenon, it's just trans people can be far more open about their experiences now, but they couldn't before. In fact it used to be a condition that you could only transition if you blended in to the rest of society. This is why it seems like a new phenomenon when in fact it is not.
@@jacalynn7792 Yes, trans-gendered surgeries are a completely new phenomenon that hasn't been founded since 1970s. By a mad scientist named John Money who drove his first test subjects insane and they ended up killing themself. You still miss the point. If you are biologically female. You are female. Stop confusing men and women.
Why do people see phalic objects where i only see a wrapped up magazine or a "vagina mouth" where I see the equivalent of a mouth from an Alien(Predator2) Wth is WRONG here
Idk, I saw a rolled up magazine being shoved down someone's windpipe and I think "Damn, that's a helluva way to kick the bucket..." Weird people: _PHALLIC_
At this point it feels like making shit up where there is no shit to talk about in the first place. Lambert is a woman both in the movie and in the book.
Alien Theory: It is possible that the xenomorph can change gender and morph into a queen. Alien fans: Wow, this is so cool. The xenomorph is so unstoppable and threatening. Alien Theory: Lambert was most likely a trans woman. Alien fans: wHAt dOeS ANy of thIs Have tO do ALIEn???!!
Learned several excellent nuggets that makes these films (Alien, Aliens, and Blade Runner) now even more special. I can't draw deep conclusions, but really fascinating information. Thanks!
In 2017, I found an ALIEN discussion on Twitter where the author was discussing transgender characters in the Alien universe. Lambert was of course mentioned, as was Dallas, but she also proposed that Vickers was transgender because the med pod in her quarters was configured for men. I replied that the pod was set for a male because it's there to treat the geriatric Peter Weyland, who was secretly on board...and I was blocked. All I wrote was a completely neutral and valid plot point of one of the ALIEN films, I never argued Vickers' gender, or any gender issues.
The pod being set to male was idiotic anyway. So the thing has a databank big enough to store countless medical procedures, emergencies and the sensors to make it do what it needs to do - up to and including surgery so precize it can turn the program for the removal of a tumor into a makeshift monster-delivery... but it CAN'T tell whether the patient is male or female and needs to be set to male? And don't come at me with "he wanted to keep the pod to himself", almost the entire crew was male. Prometheus was a terrible movie.
@@RotalHenricsson That's completely outside the nature of the topic I was discussing, but I agree to a point: there are far worse issues with Prometheus than the logic behind the med pod. It's like complaining about an ingrown toenail after losing an arm.
As a TS MtF, I think people talk too much about this. Especially from those who _don't like this_ seem to be most vocal about it. My point is; It's there, that's fine. Can we move on to the scary body horrors of the highly sexualized Xenomorph and Bio-mechanical stuff instead? I mean ffs, she dies. Does it really fucking matter that much? Are every one suppose to push their junk into everyone's faces? Can't we just be people? Geez.
@@BioGoji-zm5phAssuming you're a guy, would you fuck one? I don't want you to answer me, just ask yourself the question in your head. If the answer is "yes," then fair play to you. If the answer is "no," then you will be realising you're a hypocrite right about now.
How about the radical theory that - whoever created the original 'files' in the films production team, was just having a personal joke and writing whatever the hell they wanted as it was never intended to be legible onscreen? That is far more likely. Sometimes the most obvious and least fantastical explanation is the real one..?
I love this random detail because it’s completely irrelevant. Like throughout the whole movie it’s not a point of contention because she’s just a human being; being a human being. What chromosomes she was born with doesn’t really matter because she’s just here to do her job. It’s not very hard to just respect other human beings as human being🙂.
It could be a case of, the information is there for medical or auditing purposes (Perhaps the procedure has some risks?) but no one cares what gender or sexual orientation you are, as long as you do your job.
The idea of Lambert’s gender reassignment also gives an interesting idea about her upbringing. Was it elective, did her parents decide or is it a normal procedural process that doctors recommend after testing? We might assume it’s fairly routine for parents to choose the gender of offspring early in pregnancy in this world. And would Lambert care? In the case of it being elective, it’s kind of the ultimate parental disapproval which gives some insight into her parent’s psyche and why Lambert behaves the way she does. Lambert strikes me as someone who was raised always being told to calm down, to chill out by her parent(s). Someone who grew up second guessing themselves but never asserting their right to just be who they want to be. I really like Lambert and her portrayal in the film. Of all the crew she seems to really understand the dire straits they’re in, and how they’re confined and trapped. Lambert is a great stand in for the audience, barely able to contain the dread and terror that their situation brings.
Cool concept, especially when you remember Parker made a pass at her at the mess hall it's cool to think that their future is a scary one company wise but is friendlier than ours people wise
It's interesting that her being trans was always in there and not something added later by woke people. However, her parents choosing her gender for her is pretty disturbing
OMFG we are now debating gender from a 1979 movie when that stuff didn’t matter it’s just now that society has become so screwed up that we have to debate this crap
it doesn’t matter at all… Weather for against, don’t care center at Cetera… But is interesting tidbit for us fan nerds! lol. we can do a video on what their favorite breakfast cereals are, what were they eating at their meals…lol we literally would be like oh my god that’s so cool. Long as people don’t take the whole transgender progressive stuff too far, and try and force it down peoples throats to where it’s almost reverse fascism-except this or die, LOL. dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 "dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally" What does that mean? I'm gay by the way. Why do you dislike me? And what should I "let happen naturally?" I hope you don't think my responding to your public opinion on disliking MY sexuality is "reverse fascism" being forced down your throat.
A lot of people wonder who Ash tried to shove a newspaper down Ripley's throat. I think the thought process was like this: 1. I need to kill Ripley to silence her. 2. Ripley herself previously suggested that the facehugger might still be dangerous. 3. If I kill her in this way, I might be able to claim the facehugger came back to life and killed her. And I think it was a half-assed, spur-of-the-moment chain of thought that immediately became irrelevant when the other crew rescued Ripley.
Veronica Cartwright's portrayal of Lambert presented a typical female archetype: a spinster or librarian, a competent professional inflected with some daddy issues (to Dallas?) and emotional instability. This archetype does not complement transgenderism well and somewhat moot given that it is Ripley who beats the Alien, reversing all the gender stereotypes of 1979. Can the writers not accord more weight to the actor's work, rather than cramming in a detail that will simply date itself in 10 years..
Seriously there is a video about this never deemed subject matter? She is a woman, there was no issue about it. Like the cat is a cat, the black dude is a black..DUDE and the space ship is a space ship. CMON!
I mentioned an interview with Veronica Cartwright, and here it is, I hope its ok to share it. She does bring a lot of information to what's already here. It seems pertinent to the discussion that there were many scenes shot of her demise: she was incinerated, then, sucked out through a little hole (which they later used for the baby Alien in "Resurrection", and lastly she crawled into an air vent and died of fright as the creature approached. Given the new information Alien Theory has given us, it is relevant to note that many have wondered if the creature sexually assaulted Lambert, as the tail rising through her legs suggest. One video game finds her with obvious signs of sexual assault. Veronica is British, and it is to our benefit that she was there to be cast. She's "Penny's sister of "Lost in Space" fame, and there are other interview with her and Tom that are very interesting. When the movie premiered, people actually went out to the lobby and puked! This channel is outstanding and I'm happy that I'm not alone in my fascination with the franchise, although the first two far outweigh any of the other attempts. Here's the interview. Cheers and thanks again! ruclips.net/video/5qYbmgDqVL4/видео.html
The extras on the Alien bluray collection which originate from past DVD and LD + both theatrical and extra length editions of Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 = an investment that's hard to surpass in depth.
I always thought that Ash was making a funnel with the rolled up magazine rather than “penetrating” her in some psycho-sexual way. Assumed he would need to cover his tracks and administering a poison would have been a way to do it, however his internals/directives were experiencing issues due to the physical struggle with Ripley and that is why he is shaking and malfunctioning. Not sure what the novels, script and supporting literature actually states but I always thought it too much of a stretch for Ash to have to kill the remaining crew because the alternative of convincing them of Ripley’s own suicide always seemed more plausible and provided the alien more hosts.
I highly doubt either Parker or Lambert would have even been slightly convinced that Ripley would commit suicide. She was by far the most calm and collected member of the crew when it came to dealing with Big Chap almost immediately. Not to mention the fact that she still had a young daughter on Earth that she was absolutely committed to returning to. There was no reason anyone would assume Ripley would committ or even consider committing suicide. I think it's more likely that Ash, emotionless android or not, panicked when Ripley found out about Special Order 937, decided that he needed to kill her to cover his tracks and... figure it out from there, I suppose. I mean, he could always blame Big Chap for her death. THAT would be a believable story.
I find it curious that the narrator describes the act of changing a child's sex (not gender, but sex) at birth to be progressive. This seems to be the exact opposite of progressive to me. It does make me wonder why this was done. Was this because the home community needed more females for breeding/population growth? Was this chosen by the parents? Was this child in a welfare system and females were seen as easier or cheaper to raise? This says something about this society but progressive isn't it.
The thing that I love on this franchise was so challenged and way ahead of his time. Even now the word everyone mouths are minority representation, but Alien made this years ago before. Especially female Representation, they made it so well done on every single title, on every single media: books, video games, comics, and audiobooks. But the same people that demand minority representation on culture pop negligency the Alien Franchise for doing this way better than others, that make me so upset and angry. I wonder why Alien is not praised as much other franchise, why they want to demand on other franchises that made it poorly?
I think it's for world building since you have a civilization that spans the stars would obviously have some kind of genetic engineering. We're already having that being done (as what happened in China recently). This is just Cameron filling in the blanks to make the characters seem more realistic having nothing else to attach them to a time and place that wasn't defined. Obviously, the first film didn't require it but it's a nice touch.
This is amazing. I take "Dispen Convert" as "dispensary convert." Along with the other line about her schooling, that she graduated from "Heinlein Preliminary", ALSO places the Alien universe smack in the middle of about fifty HEINLEIN novels, and she certainly may have been trans, as well as being a Genetically Engineered organism, like Friday Jones in the Heinlein novel, who seemed to have many similar character traits to Lambert. I would say, yes, she's trans then. Awesome!
I think its more in tune with Veronica Cartwright's looks than anything, she has that slightly male/female look about her. An interesting theory non the less.
@Jimmy De'Souza please scurry back up your ivory tower of white privilege where you and your ancestors weren't the victims of hundreds of years of slavery and oppression and then lecture us all about how MLK and Malcolm were race baitors you racist piece of shit
In 1979 sex change operations for hermaphrodite was legal and elected by the parents. Nothing controversial especially if the male genitalia is mis shapen or not fully developed. The parents may elect to convert child to female but she will be unable to conceive
The same people complaining about this video would bitch about a video focused on Vasquez because of 'SJW agenda.' Great video, as always mah dude. I love 'em.
Irrelevant. I'm sick of all of my favorite shows becoming mocked and laughed at with all this crap. I'm here to watch a movie. To be entertained. Not to get into the details of that. They may as well say that she used to be a cat. ...wait.
Excellent video, as always. The Tyrell connection is very interesting and as far as Lambert goes, her extremely feminine character may be due to excessive hormone therapy. Veronica Cartwright said in one interview that she wanted to personify fear. Mission accomplished! On another note, Dallas is, or was here in Chicago for the 40th anniversary of the film. Any details would be welcome. He's been on the local news and seems very open to discussing the movie. Thanks for another great video!
This makes the Alien universe progressive? Yes. About as progressive as "Angela" Baker's aunt. Lambert's parents were smart to force their son to be female from an earlier age. Otherwise, Lambert would've been the real killer of the movie. Seriously, I'm pretty sure that the members of the production crew that made the Nostromo crews' dossiers for Aliens were just messing around with details of their lives and careers, not expecting people to actually be able to clearly read them all and take it as canon. I'd take Lambert being a fake transgender, Dallas working for the Tyrell Corporation, and Brett having brain damage from drug usage with a pinch of salt.
I do know she was the smartest person in Alien.
Inside alien ship "let's get the hell out of here".
Alien on ship killing people " Let's take our chances in the shuttle"
max jones #listentolambert
But the shuttle only takes four....
@@adamarens3520 fight to the death
@@adamarens3520
"But the shuttle only takes four...."
Hey you guys....We need some toilet paper for the shuttle. Could you go get it? Muhahaha....bye suckers !!!!!
@Max - But Lambert did not move out of they way so Parker could have a clear shot. ruclips.net/video/NZbcLIXhyxA/видео.html
father once told me "the ultimate form of acceptance is not giving a shit"
Except no one's asking to be "accepted"... I don't ask that people "accept" anything about me, they either learn to live with it, or we have a problem. That's like someone being proud of "tolerating" other people, like it makes them a fucking superhero...
yeah, only horrible parent don't give a shit about their kids
You guys might be missing the spirit of the original statement. First it's tolerance, then the celebration of diversity. THEN not giving a shit, which is the ultimate. You're welcome kids.
...that's easy for HIM to say because he's not the one who has to give up his single-sex spaces and sports teams to a trans-identified man. HE's not the one that's being called "birthing person", "menstruator", "vagina-owner" and "chest feeder". And he's not the one being asked the definition of "Man".
@andrewsheridan612 yes that are , and as soon as they are accepted its no enough. Why accept people who cant accept themselves or reality. At this point its enabling idiots and the mentally ill. If my comment offends anyone I really don't give a single micro fuck.
Maybe it was due to my innocence at not understanding workplace harassment, but I always felt Parker’s colorful remark to her at the start of the dinner scene about what he’d rather be eating brought to light a friendly bit of sexual tension between them.
Later, the fact that after shouting for her to “Get out of the way!” but she wouldn’t/couldn’t, he chose to jump at the xenomorph rather than light it up shows he cared more for her safety than his own.
At the very least, they were extremely natural and human characters that helped to further characterize the xenomorph as everything else.
Those were different times.
Friendly to you maybe.
I would have told that b**ch 3 time after that we grillin' tonight.
ruclips.net/video/NZbcLIXhyxA/видео.html
Yeah, Parker was definitely a badass for trying a melee a Xenomorph to save Lambert. It's just a shame that she was too paralyzed by fear to take advantage of his sacrifice.
I’ve read somewhere that Lambert is supposed to represent the audience hence her reluctance to step outside the ship & hang around in the derelict, her freakouts when the crew are picked off 1 by 1, her blind instinct to ‘freeze’ when attacked by the Xenomorph...
"I'll do the fingering." See, that whole thing with Ash's magazine was just him trying to get Ripley to play his flute.
When you realize it's a porno magazine it all starts to make sense.
I like this new canon that all androids want to play the flute haha
Oh yeah… It was one of Bretz girlie magazines
Right
I can't look at David play the Engineers' musical flute in _Prometheus_ the same way again. 🤣
I identify as a perfect organism. My structural perfection is matched only by my hostility.
I identify as a perfect organism.>So you're transgender?
Pangender, surely? 🤔
Stan-gender, can-gender, gender-gender, bender-gender?
Looool
Just spit out my coffee
Strange that I never heard of this before. But this doesn't change anything. Even if she was transgender she seemed to unambiguously identify as female. Parker's joke still works as do all the rest of the crew dynamics.
Imon she was genetically corrected in utero. While she very theoretically is transgender she transitioned before birth and has known no identity but female. The term almost doesn't apply since shes never been anything but female. Ideally someday transpeople will never even know we were trans.
Shannon Warner ... A lot of babies go through cycles of male and female before they finally land on one and stick with it in utero: So I was born a mail, but at different points in my mothers womb; I took on female traits and parts of my mother or her mother at Cetera at Cetera, before finally coming back to Mail then probably again the female at Cetera at Cetera...Then the last second the roulette wheel landed on Male for me.
i’m 6 foot five and I am very attractive, but at same time I look exactly like my mother and have a lot of the same shape that she does: hips long legs long lower torso dainty wrists etc etc High cheekbones...
The way it's phrased seems to suggests not a deliberate procedure, but rather some sort of random event that changed the character's sex, maybe a side-effect of some drug, like a "Thalidomide baby".
@Zel Zwrd DO you have any knowledge of biology?
Some of my mail still doesn't get delivered to me I don't think the post office cares that I'm male but maybe my mail would get delivered if I was female..who knows.
this kind of reminds me of an interview done back in 1989 involving Gene Roddenberry. During a press interview for the premier of Star Trek: TNG, a reporter asked Roddenberry " Wouldn't they have cured baldness in the future?", in reference to Captain Picard. Roddenberry's response was simply "In the future, no one cares about baldness." Perhaps in the Alien universe, no one cares that someone is trans.
Very consistent with the ideas in Alien that nudity and casual sexual relationships would no longer be taboo (though both were ultimately toned down or abandoned in the final version for unrelated reasons).
seems like even in a dystopian world there are still things that make it a better one than ours
@Eric Cartman I wouldn't say that; Golic was batshit, even before he was banged up.
I'm fairly sure the bald person would care they're bald lol
Except WY clearly do because they make a point of it in this bio and call it "unnatural".
All I know is VC is one fabulous actress.
Fred Loeper I liked her on X-Files
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 I first noticed her in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers even though I had seen her in her child roles. She impressed me immediately as Jeff Goldblum's wife. Then she's in "Alien?" Wow.
Go watch the movie...The Witches of Eastwick.She does a wild scene in it.
She is amazing.
@@thedragonlee76 oh god the cherries. Now that I think about it I think it was that film that put me off cherries for life.
She's a woman. There I explained it.
Technically a chick
She's dead, they are all dead, can i go now ?
@@xm_heecka.laddder.job_mx5962 it's a reference to a Aliens line from newt, when Ripley asks about their parents hahaha
I actually love Lambert being trans
@Philip Cummins nope just a woman.
@Philip Cummins still a woman.
Buzzfeed will have a field day, assuming they arent all in coding class by now...
"lEaRn To cOdE" iS hAtE sPeEcH
But seriously of all the stuff that gets dragged into idpol, I have wondered for a long time how this has gone under the radar. Probably because it wasn't pushed in everyone's faces. Y'know, with Lambert constantly referring to it, demanding the Xenomorph respect xer pronouns, etc.
😄 Buzzfeed staff surely has zero mathematical/logical aptitude, a prerequisite for coding. Wonder what algorithms they would conjure up with their made up 'pseudo moralistic' science 🤔
@@thedungeondelver im guessing because her character is an annoying whiny b...h who gets parker killed, hardly a role model lol
Coding Makes You Free
Has anyone asked Veronica Cartwright about it? Be interesting to hear her take on it.
She'd probably say whatever would go down well today. The bottom line is that it was never considered in the original script or film. At most, it's a later addition that doesn't really change anything.
If James Cameron decided to make Lambert transgender--apparently as a trivial afterthought--that doesn't retroactively make her so in Ridley Scott's original film.
This. It's not mentioned. She's played by a woman. There's zero reason to assume she's not a woman. Or female or whatever term is correct.
@@nutyyyy Yeah, and there's also no other non-verbal communication to the audience to this notion as well. No medical file reveal, no scene where she uses hormone therapy, nothing.
It just doesn't add up with anything we've seen.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I think if their society evolved to make interstellar travel common to the point that ‘lower class’ workers deliver goods to other planets on the regular, then they must’ve evolved their medical technology to a state where people can easily change their genders to have actual working reproductive organs. The two don’t exactly correlate with one another, but my point is that the possibility of a full blown gender transition procedure isn’t out of the picture considering the advanced state of the alien universe’s society.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978Don't worry. You'll all have plenty of tears to cry once I explain that this movie would've already been trashed as woke garbage in today's political climate anyway. The story is a total role reversal. The man gets violently raped and impregnated and the woman saves the day! Imagine how many movies you all could've enjoyed if not for your RUclips demagogues teaching you to hate anything that doesn't have a straight white man in the lead.
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Apparently some of the source material expanded on the issue of gender relations between humans in the Alien universe: men and women in the future coexisted more openly with their sexuality and relationships were very liberal even compared to today's standards. The movie adaptation eventually refrained from offering any details on the subject even though there are some hints scattered here and there: there is some sexual tension between characters e.g. Parker and Lambert in Alien, Vasquez and Gorman in Aliens. Family names are used between the characters, making them hypothetically adaptable to be any gender required. I am not sure that Ellen Ripley was always intended to be female. Unfortunately I no longer recall the source for this but it must have been in one of the countless documentaries I have watched over the years. In any case, it is evident that sexuality is an underlying theme in Alien. It deals predominantly with its darker aspects though: rape, forceful impregnation, violence. Ironically the latter are all administered evenly, and without regard to gender.
Seems those attitudes are similar to the ones in ancient Greece and Rome, where a person's orientation was simply a non issue (I once read they didn't even have a concept of homo/heterosexuality, but not sure how true that is). Interesting given the prevalence of Greek and Roman names in the Alien universe (Nostromo, Narcisus, Sulaco, Acheron, Fury, Auriga, Prometheus, Romulus, etc).
*shrug* I just thought the actress was really cute, lol.
Talking Hands she is my number one baby doll
Makes the next jerk more challenging
She's a xenomorph in disguise calluding with the Tyrell Corporation and Skynet. Whoooo I went too far.
Yes, you did.
Lambert also worked for the umbrella corporation
So she is a T-800 ?
...or maybe you didn't go far enough...
What debate? She's a woman. I heard there was a script in which the characters were written to fill in either a man or a woman; one or the other. Maybe I don't sound very inclusive by saying that but growing up with this film I was never confused as to her gender. I always viewed Lambert as a woman. Did I just assume her gender? Yes, and it was the correct assumption.
the video is about showing that on her FILE, it says her gender is female (unatural), and thats what sparked the debate, because thats strange
Depends where you stand on the whole gender debate. If you believe it's possible for a person to alter their birth gender, then she's a woman. If you don't, then "she's" a man. Unless you don't regard Aliens as canon, in which case the whole argument is irrelevant.
Also, isn't it Aliens that features a bit of convo among Marines along the lines of:
"Yeah, it was when we were on leave on Centauri that we banged those hot chicks?"
"Yeah, but the one you had wasn't a chick!"
"Hey, when it's Centauren, it don't matter!"
Arcturian. Arcturian poontang.
Even more interesting..
According to Ridley Scott, Siguorney Weaver replaced Veronica Cartwright as Ripley during casting.
Siguorney was a newcomer to acting.
This caused tension on the set.
That tension may or may not have been captured in the deleted scene where Lamberts strikes Ripley outside the Med lab because Ripley refused to open the airlock.
The reason Veronica was bumped for Siguorney was that the studio wanted the heroine to project more female sexuality and, in Ridley Scotts own words; "Siguorney is certainly the person to certainly project that."
Ye and that slap was REAL! Damn i feel it everytime i watch it
Sigourney showed up in thigh highs for the audition, so yea, she's the right one
@Cornelious Stradivarius It was real because Weaver kept ducking the slap, so Ridley Scott told Cartwright to try extra hard to hit her. So when Weaver went to duck the slap, Cartwright hit her the other way instead, so she moved right into her hand haha.
@@morbidone88 She also turned up late because she went to the wrong hotel. But they remembered her seeming very composed and formidable, despite being obviously nervous and worried.
They're both lovely but honestly I always found Lambert the cuter of the two.
The files also list her eye color as hazel, but those looked blue to me. In other words, those files ain't to accurate.
HA! Good catch
Or are they ?!?!!? DUNDUNDUN !
Getting someone's eye colour wrong seems a different level than going into detail about historical gender reassignment.
Well after all wheter she's trans or not, both the movies and other forms of Alien shows she's a woman so itd be okay either way.
Which is ideal what most trans individuals want, to be seen as the gender they transition to, and not as something else.
This was not James Cameron "world building" it's just forced propaganda through Sony. Just EDGING in the CRAP
GAYYYYYYYY
@@MachinedFace88ttv 😂😂😂😂
@@MachinedFace88ttv if you feel "forced upon" by harmless world-building then you have bigger problems, bro. It's 2019. Open a medical journal. Or I have many transgender friends who would be happy to explain it to you
There's so much in Alien I love so deeply. No forced agendas(I refer to those that is so forcefully clear), all the roles and characters, the setup of the story and the untold hero Ripley that atleast through half of the movie you will realize that she might be the one to survive. And this is in the fucking late 1970's folks. This is the main reason why I think Alien is the best movie ever made.
Yet another fantastic video and great information that's been overlooked by many over the years I'm sure! Thank you so very much for all you do as always!
Your humble & honored servant and Hive Queen,
Lady Anne ^^ö^^ (Jessica M. Kandal, PhD)
A PhD in what, precisely.
If she is trans then it adds a small comfort to the trans community with a "one day we will be accepted" message.
But it does not add or take anything from the film as a horror film or as a masterpiece of cinema.
Much of the subtext of phallic objects and the horror of violation are unchanged whether or not she is trans or CisGendered.
Just enjoy the movie for Fox sake.
Finding obscure trivia is a way of enjoying the movies, because alot of people find worldbuilding to be interesting. Sure, on its own something like this is insignificant, but it does, along with numerous other tidbits of info, like the crew's indifference to finding extraterrestrial life and there being policies in place for such events, hint at a bigger world behind it, and makes the alien universe seem more like a real place.
I believe she was born intersex, and had gender assignment because that's the usual medical route/response.
And it also may have been a homage to Alien, it being genderless and the Queen in James Cameron's film being given a gender.
Ooh good call on the homage to Alien.
Lol
Who’s excited for the novelization for Alien Isolation? I know I am
What’s the difference in it ?
I don’t know. Only time will tell
I'm going to be pissed if it's different from the game. Ripley better die a thousand times and have to do things over every time.
@Imon one third of the book is apparently going to be about Amanda’s history and two thirds of the book is going to be the adaptation of the game
When would that come out? Or is it still just a thing in the works?
This is so fucking stupid and kinda insulting to Veronica Cartwright, like "oh we gotta keep the spotlight on ripley as the strong woman of the series so from now on the short haired one used to be a dude"
Nobody even noticed for like 30 years, I don't think we can accuse the film makers of trying to shine any spotlight on Ripley as the only female.
Very interesting! I'd assume that the biographical information that appeared onscreen is canon. However, there wouldn't necessarily be any other references to it with regard to Lambert for the same reason that there wouldn't be allusions to her having her tonsils removed as a child. It's not considered an especially noteworthy point in that universe. There are certainly implications that sex in general is considered much more casually then vs in our current world.
I dunno about any debate...but it really doesn't matter about a fictional character and I never even questioned Lamberts gender because in the film it really doesn't mater
Probably more a discussion... not sure there are "sides" in this...
Her death scene was so well played. Really creeped me out.
In one of Easter Eggs feature of the original Alien dvd, the crew bios listed their gender as male or female with the word “natural” tagged on. It already suggested way back then that transgenderism is common in the future.
She was screwing Parker.
Lambert was a woman in Alien. If Cameron decided to mess around with her backstory in Aliens that’s on him.
I wonder what the actress Veronica Cartwright, who portrays Lambert in the movie, would say about this debate?
I know that Jenette Goldstein has refused to say one way or another her speculations on Vasquez's sexuality, I suspect Veronica would probably take a similar approach
Probably mad, I mean she was when she finally saw her death in the movie, playing around with it keeping her in the dark and then to just find out it was none of the ones she did but instead a edited death.
And to know that they played with her gender too... Yeah I'm sure pretty sure upset.
@eviltreemonster Well Jenette herself said that as far as Vasquez was concerned it was no ones business but her own, and that everyone invested themselves and their own views on the character and she didn't feel it her place to take whatever they made of Vasquez from them.
I think she would have been more pissed off at Aliens' likely use of her image without compensation (as what happened to Michael Biehn with Alien 3)
@@gustavmarie I was under the impression that Biehn insisted on his full salary from Aliens after he found out.
If it was in the prop from the film I don't see why not to include it. Seems like interesting world building. Especially that she was altered at birth. Which suggests either that they could tell that she would be transgender from birth or - more interestingly to me - that her parents just wanted a girl and so had her gender altered. Both options tell us about the world but the second one seems somehow more aliens/blade runner to me. With the more dubious moral implications.
Woman. Deleted scene Ripley asked Lambert if she slept with Ash and in the book it was implied some members of the crew were having intimate relationships.
I was about to say. It's implied in that scene that she had slept with some of the crew before. I just think it's an afterthought that was added in much later.
@@nutyyyy exactly unless Ripley was the only female getting it on with everyone lol.
@fortgrove3166 do you think that people don't hook up with trans women? There sure is a lot of erotica out there. Seems like nobody cares in this universe either way.
I wish they'd just release a cut with ALL scenes reinstated, even if some are just raw footage. There's another deleted scene that shows Ripley and Dallas are having an intimate relationship, and I heard a scene was filmed where they find the fossilised remains of the alien that burst out of the jockey, though I've only ever been able to find a picture of it and it's kinda difficult to make anything out.
Interesting. I liked Lambert she does what most people would do in those circumstances, goes to pieces a bit. They can't be all calm and collected.
No... no, we are not doing this...
@Odorless Kingsford I refuse.
Theres a line in the Illustrated story that Ripley asks her did she sleep with Dallas, and she says she thought he wasn't interested.
Ash, not Dallas. It was one of the more subtle hints to Ash being an android.
Interestingly, people seem to have skipped the mention in Dallas' jacket - Tyrell Corporation
Assuming they're actually part of the same universe (which Cameron might have considered as homage to Ridley Scott in both directions), it's entirely possible Lambert was a replicant.
It's not that far fetched. K, in Blade Runner 2049, was Rachel's child - proof that it *was* possible for reproductive creation of replicants, that would grow as a human. Given the corporate philosophies of Alien, coupled with the problems of giving fake memories to older versions of replicants, it's entirely possible that was actually developed further past the Nexus 9. They'd be cheap crew members, easily programmed for the task at hand.
Yes, they had Ash, an actual synthetic, on board Nostromo - but he was a last-minute replacement for that mission. Weyland Yutani might have done it because a synthetic might be better suited for acquisition of an alien - faster, stronger, not biological in nature.
Then toss in the rest of Lambert's bio.
"subject's social counts are too low for large crew, up mode status" ... What's "up mode status"?
"moderate intelligence and performance abilities did not substantially increase after security patrol navigation duties" ... Getting stuck navigating a security craft isn't usually expected to "substantially increase" the intelligence of a human being - but might be for a self-learning machine
"subject should not be upgraded until ..." ... Could mean rating upgrade. Could also mean software upgrade.
So that ends up leaving "Subject is a Despin Convert at birth (male to female)". We have no idea if a "Despin Convert" is a process, an intersex condition, or simply a model being modified, to meet consumer demand or even just to create a new reproductive replicant from a "stock" design
Lastly, remember Lambert's bio says "female (unnatural)"? - lots of leeway in the word "unnatural" there.
Would anyone really put it past James Cameron to come up with Chekhov's biographical entry?
The Alien franchise is body horror. Judging by the comments below, it seems it's still scaring some people even today :)
One explanation is that Weyland Yutani simply sees its employees as tools, cogs in a machine, so to speak.
An interesting background detail and does offer some hindsight insight into Lambert's admittedly slightly androgynous look. That it was mentioned at all in her file with no on screen comment or reaction from the crew hints that either they didn't know or didn't care if they did know. I also can't help but remember Hudson's comment about "Arcturian poontang," suggesting further that gender/sexual orientation isn't quite the hot button subject in the Aliens Universe as it is tends to be in ours. And that tracks pretty well for a society that has advanced far enough to engage in regular space travel.
Considering that we are not now, never have been, and never have seen any space faring civilizations that "regularly" travel around the cosmos... your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence. It is both pure speculation AND pure agenda to believe and spread things like that without evidence.
Is it possible?
Sure...
But no... it does not stand to reason. More than likely humans would be warlike against any other cultures just as we still are here on our own planet. Keep in mind that this is only a couple hundred years from now.... we haven't solved these kinds of problems in tens of thousands of years of history, and you think we will just suddenly change because we are space-faring? No... we bring our problems with us, we don't solve them and then move.
@@christianjohns8352 "your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence."
No, my premise is that humans, happy little fuck machines that we, would eventually come to see gender or even species as less important in our coital pursuits if we did move out into space and encountered alien species.
And if you don't believe that, take a trip to the deeper parts of the internet sometime. To paraphrase Doctor Who, so many species, so little time.
Also, learn what the word Androgynous actually means and how to apply it. I wasn't saying humans would become more androgynous. The lines from Frost indicated HE didn't mind if Arcturian he was with was male or female. And his squad mates don't seem to give him any real grief over it.
That's not an "agenda." That's actual social progress.
Here's hoping people will one day stop telling everybody their pronouns or their sexual preferences, as if there's nothing else that defines them.
@@bladerunner3314 And here's to hoping we will one day no longer have insecure twats whose only defining trait is complaining about knowing someone's pronouns or sexual preferences.
@@steampunker7 Awwwww, feeling triggered, snowflake Beavis?
I'm sorry you prefer identity politics over good stories. If left to your kind, we would've known back in 79 Lambert is trans, because she wouldn't have shut up about it, right to the moment the Xeno kills her.
Maybe one day you'll realize nobody should care about you ... oh, see? You ARE irrelevant. Now keep crying 😆😆😆😆😆😆
I like how everyone is accidentally trans-inclusive in the comments. "She's a woman". Indeed she is.
I like it. Doesn't change the movie in anyway, just adds a little extra bit of lore.
I mean, transgender transitions exists now... So it only makes sense that it would also exist in the Alien franchise's interpretation of the future.
Nice to see some inclusivity of minorities, without it being in the forefront and given a huge song a dance... It doesn't need a song a dance, just to be mentioned, like this.
Plus, I find it a nice explanation of why Lambert was found naked from the waist down after her death.
I'm of the belief that xenomorphs can reproduce sexually if required, but eggs are more efficient. The drone on the Nostromo couldn't change to a queen, as the area wasn't safe, hence why it was abducting crew and ovomorphing them. Then suddenly, it finds Lambert who at first glance is female. It attempts to impregnate her to create another drone, but finds that this won't happen as she is trans, and as such kills her as it had other members of the crew... Hence naked from the waist down.
I believe this was sort of touched on in another one of Alien Theory's videos a while back.
Hmm, I like that theory.
It's especially fascinating since that kinda means alien was one of the first cases of lgbt representation in film
But that wouldn't be trans-gendered. If someone is biologically female which Lambert is. Then that doesn't imply trans-gendered. Also trans gender is a new phenomenon. It wasn't around back in 1979.
@@oldgreg2914
Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sexual Research was pioneering Trans health care as far back as 1919 until it was shut down by the Nazis in 1933.
Lili Elbe started transitioning in 1930
In 1936 Mark Weston transitioned to male.
Roberta Cowell transitioned in 1951
Christine Jorgensen transitioned in 1952
And this is just a few of the most notable cases.
Hell, the same year that Alien was released I'm 1979, The World Professional Association for Transgender Health was founded.
So no, it isn't just a new phenomenon, it's just trans people can be far more open about their experiences now, but they couldn't before. In fact it used to be a condition that you could only transition if you blended in to the rest of society. This is why it seems like a new phenomenon when in fact it is not.
@@jacalynn7792 Yes, trans-gendered surgeries are a completely new phenomenon that hasn't been founded since 1970s. By a mad scientist named John Money who drove his first test subjects insane and they ended up killing themself. You still miss the point. If you are biologically female. You are female. Stop confusing men and women.
Why do people see phalic objects where i only see a wrapped up magazine or a "vagina mouth" where I see the equivalent of a mouth from an Alien(Predator2)
Wth is WRONG here
Idk, I saw a rolled up magazine being shoved down someone's windpipe and I think "Damn, that's a helluva way to kick the bucket..."
Weird people: _PHALLIC_
@@joethestrat haha exactly!
Because sexual imagery is an underlying theme of the first Alien film...?
@@chrishateley5582 People tend to overreact dude
In an interview with Veronica Cartwright, she states that her character was named Joan Lambert. Can find the interview on Veronica's website.
Yeah, and the bio says the same as well as stating she's transsexual.
Cameron wanted Jack in Titanic to be a woman dressed up as a man, so I'd say this is something that's been gnawing on him the whole time
Sounds like Cameron has some issues.
@@scutumfidelis1436 rather he sounds like a party animal to me.
So Jill.
@@scutumfidelis1436 it doesn't to me. like, what do you mean?
Whatever the case may be i say stay frosty people
At this point it feels like making shit up where there is no shit to talk about in the first place. Lambert is a woman both in the movie and in the book.
Alien Theory: It is possible that the xenomorph can change gender and morph into a queen.
Alien fans: Wow, this is so cool. The xenomorph is so unstoppable and threatening.
Alien Theory: Lambert was most likely a trans woman.
Alien fans: wHAt dOeS ANy of thIs Have tO do ALIEn???!!
It's actually in the official material.
I mean, it's a pretty silly change. But whatever. In the original film it's still a woman played by a woman.
Learned several excellent nuggets that makes these films (Alien, Aliens, and Blade Runner) now even more special. I can't draw deep conclusions, but really fascinating information. Thanks!
In 2017, I found an ALIEN discussion on Twitter where the author was discussing transgender characters in the Alien universe. Lambert was of course mentioned, as was Dallas, but she also proposed that Vickers was transgender because the med pod in her quarters was configured for men. I replied that the pod was set for a male because it's there to treat the geriatric Peter Weyland, who was secretly on board...and I was blocked.
All I wrote was a completely neutral and valid plot point of one of the ALIEN films, I never argued Vickers' gender, or any gender issues.
The pod being set to male was idiotic anyway. So the thing has a databank big enough to store countless medical procedures, emergencies and the sensors to make it do what it needs to do - up to and including surgery so precize it can turn the program for the removal of a tumor into a makeshift monster-delivery... but it CAN'T tell whether the patient is male or female and needs to be set to male? And don't come at me with "he wanted to keep the pod to himself", almost the entire crew was male.
Prometheus was a terrible movie.
Commander Rotal i think it was more that he didn't want Meredith to be able to use it because he didn't want her to come in the first place
@@RotalHenricsson That's completely outside the nature of the topic I was discussing, but I agree to a point: there are far worse issues with Prometheus than the logic behind the med pod. It's like complaining about an ingrown toenail after losing an arm.
Rather than Vickers being biologically male or female I'd like to know if she was a Synthetic lol.
As a TS MtF, I think people talk too much about this. Especially from those who _don't like this_ seem to be most vocal about it.
My point is; It's there, that's fine. Can we move on to the scary body horrors of the highly sexualized Xenomorph and Bio-mechanical stuff instead?
I mean ffs, she dies. Does it really fucking matter that much? Are every one suppose to push their junk into everyone's faces? Can't we just be people? Geez.
Seconded
Totally agree
Lambert is a WOMAN...🤷🏾♂️
Yes, and trans women are women, so... what's your point?
Same as Caitlyn Jenner?
@@BioGoji-zm5phAssuming you're a guy, would you fuck one? I don't want you to answer me, just ask yourself the question in your head. If the answer is "yes," then fair play to you. If the answer is "no," then you will be realising you're a hypocrite right about now.
she's a chick . the reference parker gave to lambert saying he rather eat something else while looking at her says shes a chick
Maybe she was one the exceedingly few RARE trans born naturally then that wound up female then..
Or maybe he wants to eat there ass
yeah like your dad
@@robertagu5533
Yeah but there's a possibility Parker didn't know Lambert was transgender too
WOW! Watched Aliens a ton of times and never noticed that profile detail on Lambert from the first movie! Thanks for the info!
“All down through history, We have always had feminine type men and maleness type women.” Dr Robert Malone.
Doesn't matter, still had a crush on her all these years...
How about the radical theory that - whoever created the original 'files' in the films production team, was just having a personal joke and writing whatever the hell they wanted as it was never intended to be legible onscreen? That is far more likely. Sometimes the most obvious and least fantastical explanation is the real one..?
I love this random detail because it’s completely irrelevant. Like throughout the whole movie it’s not a point of contention because she’s just a human being; being a human being. What chromosomes she was born with doesn’t really matter because she’s just here to do her job. It’s not very hard to just respect other human beings as human being🙂.
There was a Starlog article entirely devoted to all the psychosexual symbology of Alien. The porn magazine choke is a blatant example
It could be a case of, the information is there for medical or auditing purposes (Perhaps the procedure has some risks?) but no one cares what gender or sexual orientation you are, as long as you do your job.
nice profile picture bro
The idea of Lambert’s gender reassignment also gives an interesting idea about her upbringing. Was it elective, did her parents decide or is it a normal procedural process that doctors recommend after testing? We might assume it’s fairly routine for parents to choose the gender of offspring early in pregnancy in this world. And would Lambert care? In the case of it being elective, it’s kind of the ultimate parental disapproval which gives some insight into her parent’s psyche and why Lambert behaves the way she does.
Lambert strikes me as someone who was raised always being told to calm down, to chill out by her parent(s). Someone who grew up second guessing themselves but never asserting their right to just be who they want to be. I really like Lambert and her portrayal in the film. Of all the crew she seems to really understand the dire straits they’re in, and how they’re confined and trapped. Lambert is a great stand in for the audience, barely able to contain the dread and terror that their situation brings.
Cool concept, especially when you remember Parker made a pass at her at the mess hall it's cool to think that their future is a scary one company wise but is friendlier than ours people wise
It's interesting that her being trans was always in there and not something added later by woke people. However, her parents choosing her gender for her is pretty disturbing
Cartwright isn’t “pretty” in any conventional sense, and most would probably describe her as plain, but I always found her attractive.
She was ok in witches of eastwick, although the cherry pit scenes have stuck with me for a long time. Guess better than nails like in other movies 🤢
Hey Alien Theory, love the video! Question for you, what music did you have running in the background of your video?
This was so unnecessary. Just leave her as a woman! Dang political correct liberal nonsense!
Dude, it's from 1986. 😂 Nobody cared about political correctness then, trust me, I was there.
OMFG we are now debating gender from a 1979 movie when that stuff didn’t matter it’s just now that society has become so screwed up that we have to debate this crap
I don't think it really matters. When I was growing up watching Alien, I always just thought she was a girl.
You cant spell women without women
it doesn’t matter at all… Weather for against, don’t care center at Cetera… But is interesting tidbit for us fan nerds! lol.
we can do a video on what their favorite breakfast cereals are, what were they eating at their meals…lol
we literally would be like oh my god that’s so cool.
Long as people don’t take the whole transgender progressive stuff too far, and try and force it down peoples throats to where it’s almost reverse fascism-except this or die, LOL.
dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 "dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally" What does that mean? I'm gay by the way. Why do you dislike me? And what should I "let happen naturally?" I hope you don't think my responding to your public opinion on disliking MY sexuality is "reverse fascism" being forced down your throat.
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 You're an idiot. The worst kind, because you think you're so enlightened...
@Haven Satan's watching you 🙂
I always loved Lambert´s tomboy look, always found her hotter than ripley
She is actually a pretty good looking woman.
@User Name I think because during most of the movie she's crying you never really notice how pretty she is.
Seriously? There's a debate over this? Lambert was a woman.
@Panos Zois No such thing. You are either a male or a female.
A lot of people wonder who Ash tried to shove a newspaper down Ripley's throat. I think the thought process was like this:
1. I need to kill Ripley to silence her.
2. Ripley herself previously suggested that the facehugger might still be dangerous.
3. If I kill her in this way, I might be able to claim the facehugger came back to life and killed her.
And I think it was a half-assed, spur-of-the-moment chain of thought that immediately became irrelevant when the other crew rescued Ripley.
Why does this even matter? You have serious issues if you need to validate yourself and feeling by having a fictional character created in your image.
Joan Marie as well as played by a woman . In Ridley Scott's alien she is a she
Veronica Cartwright's portrayal of Lambert presented a typical female archetype: a spinster or librarian, a competent professional inflected with some daddy issues (to Dallas?) and emotional instability. This archetype does not complement transgenderism well and somewhat moot given that it is Ripley who beats the Alien, reversing all the gender stereotypes of 1979. Can the writers not accord more weight to the actor's work, rather than cramming in a detail that will simply date itself in 10 years..
James Cameron pulling a J.K. Rowling before J.K. Rowling.
You the viewer were trans all along
except j.k. rolling is probably a terf
Not really. Rowling hates trans people. Cameron simply showed that the future was socially progressive.
Seriously there is a video about this never deemed subject matter? She is a woman, there was no issue about it. Like the cat is a cat, the black dude is a black..DUDE and the space ship is a space ship. CMON!
I mentioned an interview with Veronica Cartwright, and here it is, I hope its ok to share it. She does bring a lot of information to what's already here. It seems pertinent to the discussion that there were many scenes shot of her demise: she was incinerated, then, sucked out through a little hole (which they later used for the baby Alien in "Resurrection", and lastly she crawled into an air vent and died of fright as the creature approached. Given the new information Alien Theory has given us, it is relevant to note that many have wondered if the creature sexually assaulted Lambert, as the tail rising through her legs suggest. One video game finds her with obvious signs of sexual assault. Veronica is British, and it is to our benefit that she was there to be cast. She's "Penny's sister of "Lost in Space" fame, and there are other interview with her and Tom that are very interesting. When the movie premiered, people actually went out to the lobby and puked! This channel is outstanding and I'm happy that I'm not alone in my fascination with the franchise, although the first two far outweigh any of the other attempts. Here's the interview. Cheers and thanks again! ruclips.net/video/5qYbmgDqVL4/видео.html
The extras on the Alien bluray collection which originate from past DVD and LD + both theatrical and extra length editions of Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 = an investment that's hard to surpass in depth.
I always thought that Ash was making a funnel with the rolled up magazine rather than “penetrating” her in some psycho-sexual way. Assumed he would need to cover his tracks and administering a poison would have been a way to do it, however his internals/directives were experiencing issues due to the physical struggle with Ripley and that is why he is shaking and malfunctioning. Not sure what the novels, script and supporting literature actually states but I always thought it too much of a stretch for Ash to have to kill the remaining crew because the alternative of convincing them of Ripley’s own suicide always seemed more plausible and provided the alien more hosts.
I highly doubt either Parker or Lambert would have even been slightly convinced that Ripley would commit suicide. She was by far the most calm and collected member of the crew when it came to dealing with Big Chap almost immediately. Not to mention the fact that she still had a young daughter on Earth that she was absolutely committed to returning to. There was no reason anyone would assume Ripley would committ or even consider committing suicide. I think it's more likely that Ash, emotionless android or not, panicked when Ripley found out about Special Order 937, decided that he needed to kill her to cover his tracks and... figure it out from there, I suppose. I mean, he could always blame Big Chap for her death. THAT would be a believable story.
I find it curious that the narrator describes the act of changing a child's sex (not gender, but sex) at birth to be progressive. This seems to be the exact opposite of progressive to me. It does make me wonder why this was done. Was this because the home community needed more females for breeding/population growth? Was this chosen by the parents? Was this child in a welfare system and females were seen as easier or cheaper to raise? This says something about this society but progressive isn't it.
The thing that I love on this franchise was so challenged and way ahead of his time. Even now the word everyone mouths are minority representation, but Alien made this years ago before. Especially female Representation, they made it so well done on every single title, on every single media: books, video games, comics, and audiobooks. But the same people that demand minority representation on culture pop negligency the Alien Franchise for doing this way better than others, that make me so upset and angry. I wonder why Alien is not praised as much other franchise, why they want to demand on other franchises that made it poorly?
I think it's for world building since you have a civilization that spans the stars would obviously have some kind of genetic engineering. We're already having that being done (as what happened in China recently). This is just Cameron filling in the blanks to make the characters seem more realistic having nothing else to attach them to a time and place that wasn't defined. Obviously, the first film didn't require it but it's a nice touch.
This is amazing. I take "Dispen Convert" as "dispensary convert." Along with the other line about her schooling, that she graduated from "Heinlein Preliminary", ALSO places the Alien universe smack in the middle of about fifty HEINLEIN novels, and she certainly may have been trans, as well as being a Genetically Engineered organism, like Friday Jones in the Heinlein novel, who seemed to have many similar character traits to Lambert. I would say, yes, she's trans then. Awesome!
I think its more in tune with Veronica Cartwright's looks than anything, she has that slightly male/female look about her. An interesting theory non the less.
I ask.....
...... who cares? It doesnt seem to effect her character to me.
@Panos Zois my question was subtly rhetorical in this question.
Of course, the other alternative was that she was born with both parts and the parents had to choose. While this isn't common today, it does happen.
I hate the way “progressive” is used these days. Good vid though
badkarma11
So called progressives are actually regressives.
Agreed. The striking irony is that everything that's being pushed down people's throats in the name of political correctness, reeks of regressiveness.
@Jimmy De'Souza please scurry back up your ivory tower of white privilege where you and your ancestors weren't the victims of hundreds of years of slavery and oppression and then lecture us all about how MLK and Malcolm were race baitors you racist piece of shit
Wtf even is this conversation
@@biggus6633 That's what I've been saying all along.
In 1979 sex change operations for hermaphrodite was legal and elected by the parents. Nothing controversial especially if the male genitalia is mis shapen or not fully developed. The parents may elect to convert child to female but she will be unable to conceive
Its something Cameron added to the film so that makes it canon but does it make any difference? No. Just enjoy the films.
Well, for trans people this is a good thing, so it makes a difference
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Yes. Agreed. I perhaps should have worded that better at the time.
Her gender doesn't matter. She is VC, Veronica Cartwright with a totally human performance.
The same people complaining about this video would bitch about a video focused on Vasquez because of 'SJW agenda.'
Great video, as always mah dude. I love 'em.
Why does everything have to be phallic in movies. Good grief
PENIS!
I never understood the rolled up papers. I originally saw it as a kid though so it wouldn’t have occurred to me to be anything sexual.
Irrelevant. I'm sick of all of my favorite shows becoming mocked and laughed at with all this crap. I'm here to watch a movie. To be entertained. Not to get into the details of that. They may as well say that she used to be a cat.
...wait.
Excellent video, as always. The Tyrell connection is very interesting and as far as Lambert goes, her extremely feminine character may be due to excessive hormone therapy. Veronica Cartwright said in one interview that she wanted to personify fear. Mission accomplished!
On another note, Dallas is, or was here in Chicago for the 40th anniversary of the film. Any details would be welcome. He's been on the local news and seems very open to discussing the movie.
Thanks for another great video!
I think "Despin Convert" was meant to be her original name "at birth", not that she underwent a "conversion" of the "despin" variety at birth.
Well , the Xenomorph did try to ram it's tail up her nether regions, so maybe it was confused, too.
This makes the Alien universe progressive? Yes. About as progressive as "Angela" Baker's aunt. Lambert's parents were smart to force their son to be female from an earlier age. Otherwise, Lambert would've been the real killer of the movie.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure that the members of the production crew that made the Nostromo crews' dossiers for Aliens were just messing around with details of their lives and careers, not expecting people to actually be able to clearly read them all and take it as canon. I'd take Lambert being a fake transgender, Dallas working for the Tyrell Corporation, and Brett having brain damage from drug usage with a pinch of salt.
Respectfully go crawl into a hole👄
@@niall798 Like every other sane person of any race, gender, or orientation, I enjoy a good hole.