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why no proliferation? With careful application you can have 1.4X output for the same power use, 0.7X resource use, 0.7X footprint.

Unfortunately x-ray cracking is completely worthless. I really wish they'd rework this recipe so people would have a reason to want to use it.

Thank you Pete

know this is old what about trinary with fire ice on giant one plaint has 150% wind also 5 O type stars and 2 Blue giant's first seed i ever got did not play it

Wasn't there something about having a black hole and a neutron star?

Have too much hydrogen? Instead of trying to "burn it off" just make sure you have an overflow line that would feed to ILS's. Then you can take extra titanium and produce Hydrogen Fuel rods, you send some to fractionators to produce Deuterium to make various things that rely on Deuterium such as the Fuel Rods. If you are far enough into the game and you're able to craft Antimatter send it there as the highest priority. There's always ways to get rid of too much hydrogen.

I've been playing this for a few years and I have an old file with massive builds in several systems where this was before blueprints, before copying and pasting buildings where you had to place every item every time. The only copying ability at the time was the standard , . keys for copying the recipe of the buildings. This was before the option to reverse the belt. If you dragged it the wrong way, you had to delete it piece by piece as there was no group or area deleting and you had to rebuild the entire belt. There was no proliferation, and this was before they nerfed the oil reservoirs. I was at the point of having my first sector of my first dyson sphere completed which was not in my starting system. In fact it was one of the farthest stars in my cluster. Once I was able to craft warps, I took a break of building and went exploring. I then scouted out about 20 different systems within my cluster. I was still using graphite as my main fuel source as I wasn't fully setup to craft the deuterium fuel rods but was in the process of working on it for mass production. It was kind of arduous but it didn't stop me from exploring. I had claimed and established semi massive decent builds on about a dozen star systems and transitioned from spaghetti belts to the drone based logic systems even though some of my local builds still had some spaghetti. Spaghetti is good, all you need is a little bit of cheese on top! Well, I started my first dyson sphere on the 3rd or 4th largest star in my cluster. It wasn't the blue or red supergiants nor was it the neutron star or black hole systems although I had conquered all three of them. I chose this blue star, can't remember if it was an A, B or O type but it was massive, it had 4 or 5 planets with many times more resources than any other system. The star itself had a very strong gravitational pull as you could feel it when trying to fly away from it. Without using warps and getting up to your max speed you'd be losing about 5m/s at about every second of flight. You had to kind of use your warps in short bursts to get away from its pull. It's closest planet which was a lava planet was about 5 AU from its star. I choose this system because of the rich resources in materials and because this star also had some of the best properties for its conversion of light brightness intensity and heat into useable energy. If your starting star is say 1x and some of the other stars that were better were at say 1.7 - 2.2x this star was at about 2.9x. It was even better than the blue and red giants and even better than the neutron star. I had planned to build one on the neutron star as well but never made it that far and a simple solar array on that planet gave me all the power I needed. That planet gave me some monopole magnets, but primarily tons of optical grating crystals, fire ice, and fractal silicon where I made quite a few quantum chips. I made 5x that amount in my main system. I had conquered a planet just for organic crystals, and another planet just for spinform, and another for kimberlite ore all in different systems. I even conquered the planet at the black hole for massive amounts of the monopole magnets. One of the last planets that I started to conquer before kind of retiring that save file was a pure water or ocean world. This semi giant blue star is where I did all of my green science, made my warps in mass quantity as well as producing all of the antimatter I could ever need. I also mass produces all of my expensive buildings from the logistic towers, all 3 in mass quantities as for the inter planetary and the gas giant collectors I was filling a single large chest of them each and as for my planetary ones, I was filling 3 full large chests. I was also producing tons of level 3 belts, and level 3 assemblers. I was producing close to a 1 million quantum chips / hr. I even built my artificial stars here in mass. As for the dyson sphere, the closest inner sphere where the sphere could be built was at about 3AU from the star the star's diameter itself was about 1 - 1.5 AU... It's closest planet the lava planet where I setup all of my silos at about 5AU was about 2-3 times farther out than the farthest planet in my starting system. This was not a small build. The sector that I built wasn't just a thin single band going around the star in a circle. No. It was a large banner mesh where I spelled out one of my user / gamertag names. When you flew up to this structure if you went from the west side to the east side flying at max speed without using warps it would take a good 7-10 minutes to traverse depending on if you were flying with it's rotation or against the star's pull. The difference in direction from East to West versus West to east due to the stars rotational pull would add an extra 3-5 minutes on that travel. Going from the top to the bottom would take about 3-5 minutes. This structure was about 3-5 AU in height and about 12-15 AU in width. If you was on the nearest planet and it came into view in the day or night sky, it looked very close, it looked huge and you couldn't see the entire thing and the planet's rotation would complete a couple of times before this sector of the sphere went out of view as it traversed around to the backside of the star. It would take almost 20 minutes to a good half hour to go around and to start to come back into view. It would take almost an hour for a full rotation or at least it felt like an hour. This was only about 1/16 - 1/8 of the arc around the star's sphere not counting the star's poles. It only covered portions of the star's tropical zones near its equator. If you were on the 2nd and 3rd planets you could just about see the entire thing and you were able to read it. The last or farthest planet was so far away as it was about 50-60 AU out and you could just about see the structure when it passed between the star the planet but it was too small to read it from that distance. I was shooting from about 100 rocket silos non stop for close to 200 hours of gameplay for it to complete just this sector. I have close to 2000 hours on this save file. This is all just to give some perspective... If only I had the copy and paste feature, the blue prints, proliferation back then I might have been able to complete the entire sphere. And this wasn't just an outline either, this structure was an entire mesh that was filled with solar sails. I think I had launched over 100 million of them. Oh, and this star system was the farthest star from my starting planet. It was about 45 almost 50 ly away. And all of my builds on all of my systems were all built by hand piece by piece, every pole, every sorter, every building, and when I went to a new star system, I almost harvested from every planet in that system. So yeah, getting coal as your first choice was exactly my same first choice. I share a similar sentiment. Give me that fuel source! The factory must grow! I like and agree with your line of thinking. Use your first miner on coal. I've seen others go right for the iron as the highest priority. Nope, I go for the coal. That's the energy you need for your mecha's internal battery. With that, you can then go on about hand mining the necessary copper and iron needed to build 2 more miners. Then you place them down and let the automation begin and you have all the power you need!

It's been a little over a year... perhaps revisit this with the new Dark Fog update!!!

This was super helpfull when working on that white blackbox. I made a slight modification of this design but it was very helpful towards better understanding the needs of the build.

I have been working on the black box design for a few weeks now. I have stumbled into 1 major problem and 1 minor problem. The major problem is hydrogen, I was trying to make 3/m green contaners that requires 300/m duterium. That when fractunated is 300/m hydrogen. But what i dont understand well is the fractonator production speeds. While I understand that it is a 1% chance to convert. How do I convert this into a production rate? The minor problem I have been having is the ray recievers. I haven't been able to really understand them too well. I was a bit stuck on determining how many I needed to make the 60/m antimatter? Any help would be great sincw you have experience with make this kind of build.

My Pc would've lagged alot.

Thank you for the layout!

That factorio planning websites looks nice. Thanks for showing me that exists.

I picked a random seed for my first ever playthrough and got lucky with an ice giant. Fire ice and hydrogen from them is best. I burn any excess graphene so that hyrdorgen production can continue as im at the stage where hydrogen is not as abundant yet as I need it. Im near equilibrium though.

that bottle necking issue might be related to the grid projected on a sphere. some squares are smaller than others.

just increase the distance between the boxes. more distance = more travel time = more bots in the air at one time + longer flight time = more energy used. that was the first thought after your 1st loop.

I have always considered xxray to be a waste for very little gain. I'd rather suffer a little more early for hydrogen than waste oil.

Stumbles across your channel and got to say with the information and resources avalible a year ago. This is a great design. At the state of the game now qith the combat update, I would personaly like to see what you could come up with now. Theres some new toys to play with and new ways to break belts. I feel challanged to try a black box like this now.

I'd say having a black hole or neutron star close to your initial system is the most important thing for speedrun but those attributes are kind of neat too.

8:20 Excess Hydrogen is not an issue IMO - pipe it into 1 or 2 fractionater loops and start generating deuterium. When you actually need it, you should have a nice tank ready to go.

This is absolutely amazing!

thanks, left ear

Try seed 8 2 6 7 6 5 0 7 seed has 6 O type stars and the black hole and neutron star is far from the start

33867330. binary gas giant, fire ice on binary, tidally locked lava planet next to the sun. BOOYAH! To make it even more rare, the system has one each red giant, blue giant, and white giant!

i had mined mine fire ice like 12LY from base only to check back on gas giant on my starter planet that have also fire ice, yeah i could check that earlier :D totaly random seed with bonus that have black hole and neutron star far away, which is also benefit (farther away, more magnets it have)

I randomly found a cluster with fire ice at the start

Favorites in this game are based on order in which they were built. Like you said in the video. I have some plans that based on where I'm standing when i build it will determine which sorter is built first and determine its function.

I have a way to avoid Hydrogen overload. Use the new Reforming Refine tech. Your Red builds won't produce any hydrogen. Then place 4 Orbitals prior to Green Tech. The Hydrogen from the Orbitals is only provided as needed and will never cause excess. i get sub 10 hours every playthrough and I never have hydrogen problems like I used to.

Seems like I got quite lucky then, I just started the seed I was given, turns out it's got a binary system and fire ice as well

I just look for the star with the highest luminosity

Would be nice of you to share the blueprints plisssss

if you are using tier 2 assemblers you would almost certainly have tier 3 sorters and tier 3 belts therefore i think its reasonable to use them instead of tier 2 even tho they are not the same "tier"

That’s insane. But what about 120 per minute?

Hmm ok how are you making the h2 It looks like the counter is just creating them.......I am so confused has it always been that easy to make h2..........

Apparently I am pretty lucky because my first run has both a tidally locked lava planet and a fire ice deposit.

TIL my random system sucks

The last time i tried to get the 1 hr achieve i landed at 61 mins. I need to retry that now that bp”s exist

are you recording at 15 fps ?

This game is so complicated.. I love it

I used this design with a few tweaks and it keeps running out of hydrogen. Is the length of the hydrogen loop belt and it’s direction important for the build? I don’t have any other problems (yet)

holy crap, you made me realise i suck at this game as i have like spaghetti but i decided to focus all matrix cubes on one planet and made it similar to yours. ( note i just got purple and are almost done with warp tech)

Just some quick feedback - you should have including the game name in your title, as you do not qualify what type of seeds for what - a game, the garden, etc the changes are that the video is getting lost in the system.

Have you tried demand/pull only?

People always talk about the nonsense of video games and don’t realize the sheer system analysis development kids are getting now. Like if you play these systems and logistical video games think of how much those skills could be implemented in city systems, urban planning, or just more engineering and planning of more effective factories. Hats off brother I’ll check this game out

Nice~ Now prolifirate it! Jokes aside, the thing I can't really justify not prolifirating is the white science itself, with its production being the close second. The gain is just too much. It even saves energy per hashes produced, not just resources and space.

wow, looks great, its super jump start science

Presented like a true IT Solution Architect 🙂

Best DNU (do nothing unit) to deal with excess hydrogen is to use particle colliders to convert it into deuterium and then burn deuterium for power (assuming a separate grid and a minimum of power to start process)

Nice title pun!

Hey Pete it's nice to see new ideas and inspirations. I haven't played dsp for a while maybe a year or so, let me ask you about purpose of this series. Is it some kind of speedrun or achievements hunting? In half hour you managed to set up a basic mall where in less than a hour it is possible to set up a facility/mall/bus that can supply you with every machines/buildings including blue cubes from early to late game. Cheers 👍👋 looking forward for new cool build ideas