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It's in the suburbs of Atlanta. It's the same artifical turf for other sports, just put tennis lines on it.

@ we are looking for the supplier that laid down for court. I work for a county park in Gwinnett and are considering construction. Would like a contractor with the experience

Yes I did. If you see the whole video, at the end of the serve I have the whole left foot in the court. I always toss front and slightly left on all my kick serves.

Haha, I wasn't too fond of it in the beginning, but I'm slowly warming up to it now. Slowly....

@@PURETENNISsense is it like frisbee golf? Where you have to smoke tons of weed to play? I’m sure not but a cocktail or two maybe? lol 🥳 I’ll try it then.. maybe. Lol

I have never played frisbee golf and most likely never will! Nothing aginst it personally, but after playing ultimate frisbee, I cannot see the point of frisbee golf haha.

Thank you

How so?

oh i read the description, i guess you are focusing on lower body. i found this clip searching for slow motion kick serve vids and thought it was more of a tutorial. vertical would have kept the racket in frame to view the full form

I agree completely, vertical definitely would have. I guess when this was shot, never thought it would go up on YT! Here's a little bit of a step by step: ruclips.net/video/um1UJuDokC4/видео.htmlsi=hrPrP7h8yDwGRAv0 Here's one in vertical: ruclips.net/user/shortsnypxqiabwUU?si=MxY647vMipZ2964q

That's a great observation, he was a bit before my start date with learning/watching tennis. I never studied his serve but watching it now, I can see it. Minus the J-toss.

Yes it does! It's been a while since I've played there, would like to try again this summer. Would be good training for staying low and taking balls early.

Thank you for the kind words. It's astonishing to me how much people can assume without just asking first. This serve is all based on core (even the "back bend" portion), for me, is not a back bend but a full-body/core load.

Haha, you are correct! Fantastic observation 👌🏾. A serve I've been doing since I can remember doing a kick serve -back when tvs were massive boxes and had 5 channels and you had to put the external antenna attachment at the precise angle for a clearer picture - I post for views and clicks. 🫢 I've had this serve for over 20 years. This was my kick serve motion in childhood and never changed. However, you must be correct.... I just came up with this serve for views and clicks because I need them.

@@PURETENNISsense And one more point is even with kick serve the follow through should be forward after spinning the ball and body weight should be forward, you can observe players like federer, kyrgios, stepanek, sampras etc.,

@@TheDelcin Thank you, I shall observe these gentlemen and their kick serves. I'll try to get my body weight forward on the kick serve. If you watch the whole video, I have an entire foot in the blue at the end of the serve.

What specifically are you having trouble with? I can give you tips based on the particular parts you will need help with.

@@PURETENNISsense I'm having trouble directing it into the service box, I don't know exactly what the best contact point is and I'm either putting it into the net or out of the court

@rajvirratia6703 The best thing to do when working on a difficult or a new stroke is to go for a big target first. I think it would be a good idea to start with aiming in the middle of the service box as a first target. Contact point for the kick serve should be relatively high and near full extension of the body. Near full extension - because we need the ball to drop a little bit to help with the counter direction of the swing path to create the kick action. It's a bit hard to fully diagnose the root for why you are either hitting in the net or out of the court... do you have a video of yourself I can take a look at? I'd be happy to help, but it would be a bit easier to see exactly what's happening.

@@PURETENNISsense I think your idea of aiming for bigger targets first is a good one, maybe I'll try it out. I don't know if I want to share a video with you, but thanks for the offer and your help nonetheless.

@rajvirratia6703 No problem at all. Best of luck, I hope it helps!

Yes, the toss is predictable for sure. If the opponent is willing to run around the backhand to hit a forehand outside the alley, it'll work for them. Still, they have given up a lot of tennis court in the process. Also, if they do this and are good at it, the kick can always go up the T as well. Thats a great observation!

Haha, most pros will likely say that. I've been coaching for 20 years now and don't recommend my serve to my students. I guess it's something I did naturally from a young age and it's never had any poor effect on my body. In fact, it feels quite awkward to not do it. Your Pro is right, this works for me. What kind of serve do you have? Platform, Pinpoint?

To me it looks like a fairly mild backwards bend in the spine, even if I pause it at the lowest position. The crazy thing is the 90 degree bend in the knee.

Yes, I think people fail to realize its not really a back bend much at all. I addressed this to other comments on this video. You actually watched the whole thing and took the initiative to check the loading properly. What do you think of the 90deg bend in the knee? Is the load too deep?

It's something I've naturally done for most of my tennis career. Haha, if I did it for the look sand the "no additional power created" seems like a pretty dumb idea. And who would care what the serve looks like anyway at this level? Through my college and money/futures qualies events between 2005-2014 the only modifications I made to my serve were purely form/function related. By no means for any aesthetic purposes at all. I had an abbreviated motion before this video (about a couple years before) and decided to change for the sake a more fluidity. The core load that I have has been there since I can remember, pre-teen days.

​ @PURETENNISsense thx for your answer :) Well, I might be wrong and it just suits you and your feel - yet I wonder if you could save some energy and maybe even gain some spin/speed if you just did not get into this last few centimeters of lean-back. TBH it looks really energy intensive. I am sure its still a good serve but to me it looks just a bit overcomplex

I disagree, the more you bend the more potential energy you gather to be unleashed during the snapback which he apparently fully released (reverted) before contact. No need to say one needs to respect his own flex limit to avoid harm.

In terms of complexity, could be. However, its the serve I've had since a young age and it ironically wasn't at all mentioned by my coaches growing up to be a bit on the extreme side. Funny though, as I see my serve now, I wouldn't recommend it to any of my students in terms of how I load. I know a good bit of this extra load comes from the fact that I do a pinpoint stance. Platform is definitely less involved in terms of center of gravity shifting.

Everybody is different and it clearly works for him.

Thanks for watching! Will need to try that for next time.

It takes a while to get used to for sure. I found myself preferring slice in the beginning but even then, the timing is tough! We definitely struggled to get some extended rallies in but was fun with a different dynamic of play. Looking forward to playing on it again?

@@PURETENNISsense Actually yes, looking forward to playing on it again-I found that it was just different, and you had to adjust and adapt to the faster play. I think its good training for the timing of your swing in general.

Thank you for watching. So the scoreboard (black box with white lines) was made on Adobe Illustrator and saved as a .png I edit my videos on Adobe Premiere Pro and then import the .png on the video itself. So it appears stationary as a layer on top of the video. I keep it up throughout the whole video and add the text of players name and numerical score as needed throughout the match. Hope this answers the question!

Back in the day I had more flexibility than I do now haha.

Haha yes sir! We shall have to challenge them again. They agreed to 2024 😆

I can’t wait that long!!

Haha for sure I was lucky and didn't back then. Probably shouldn't do that type of bend now in my 30s 😆. Thank you!

@@PURETENNISsense man it's amazing how you can bend like that, I d break in 2🤣

Yes agreed. It makes watching tennis feel more real to me.

In terms of UTR, probably an 11. For USTA I played on a 5.0 team

@@PURETENNISsense i wish i would know the american ranking system

UTR is probably the best comparison across continents. Typically for the American system 5.0 and higher is a good college level. A lot of us are actually rated 5.5 but had to appeal to 5.0 in order to play adult team tennis. This includes players from very high level d1, d2 and d3 and NAIA programs

This is a fantastic question! I'm thinking now as about what I do specificially on slice serves..... I believe my body would be facing the net (shoulders parallel to net) for a wide serve as well. I'm watching this slow-mo video of my slice serve wide (ruclips.net/user/shortsNaanybsoLmk?feature=share) and it looks like what you are describing at contact. To be completely honest, I don't think about my shoulder turn as much as I do my body rotation and my wrist at contact. When I think of hitting a slice serve during points it's more focused on my contact point & wrist with body-rotation. Not to say that shoulder turn isn't something I consider, rather I believe if I focus on the above then my shoulder turn happens anyway. I believe Kovac's is probably right about over-rotating since I've seen it in adults I teach or with people who have learned the slice as a result of watching pro tennis or thinking that massive rotation gives more slice. When you mention disguise, I would say that could come from a similar toss for all serves. Myself, I have distinct tosses for each although over the last couple years they've smeared closer together which is fine. I guess it does give more disguise; however, I don't believe it's that significant of an advantage until you get to top 200-500 ATP. Just my opinion though from playing Futures and such. Hope this answers the question.

@@PURETENNISsense Thanks for the thoughtful answer. Been thinking about this though I did not want to tinker w/ the serve as I was playing a tournament last weekend:)

No worries at all, you are right, thank you for watching! My partner didn't want to be in the video so to respect that I left the ball landing out (which would have included him).

Thank you kindly!

Thanks for the comment!

Thank you!

It's hard to tell in this video to be honest with the angle. Either way will produce a solid amount of "kick" for the serve.

I don't either haha! Seems like a distant lost memory

Typically it's continental grip. However for me I use continental grip but a little bit further over towards the 1hbh side.

My coach!

always continental is best

Thanks for watching!

One of those rare exceptions where PTS/Boss won more points overall (68 vs 62) but not the match.

@@Tennisbull-match-statistics Crazy right! 6pts is a lot in a tennis match. Thank you for the awesome stats! Was quite interesting to see the results.

This analysis is amazing. After seeing it I simply can not believe we "won". Probably shows we had maybe a 10% chance to win a full third. Why I don't like the trend toward shortening tennis matches (no-ad scoring, super breakers) as it brings in an element of luck and really can come to a few big points. Thanks UD, very interesting stuff.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

It was! Everyone played solid and some really good points in the breaker!

I don't do it intentionally. I guess it's been my motion for so long that it's just how it is now. Now that I've seen the footage, I can see what 50YO means... I see it too, looks like a kick wide.

Was a superb half-volley pickup! Their volleys that point were pretty awesome.

Probably bc I likely told him to on the 1st serve. 50YO's pace and the fast courts made it really tough to get back x-crt.

Blue Man group is still touring, could be a back-up :)

Could be, we never do see their faces when they perform due to the paint haha

Haha it's just sime hip and core elasticity.... nothing that can't be worked on over time.

The baseliner. However, a good volleyer can anticipate and react to the dropshot, call switch and make a solid play on the ball. Always depends on the situation for sure and each point will be unique under this circumstance.

It's to force them to go Down-The-Line on the return rather than Cross-Court right to my partner. Play didn't work that well though for us. They hit a really solid return of serve.

It's called a Serve-and-volley play. It's a good move in doubles (and singles) to put a lot of pressure on your opponents.

Also at 2:00 why did you run in just in front of the service line

another thing at 4:16 why was your friend crouching right down the middle

"Also at 2:00 why did you run in just in front of the service line" I'm guessing you mean in front of the baseline? The server has a really good spin serve. Stepping in front of the baseline allows me to take the return at a reasonable height rather than it getting way over my head. @ 4:16 D2 Sub was doing a play that doesn't allow us to know where he's moving after the server hits. It's a smart play to keep the return team on edge and catch them by surprise. My partner hit a great return though.