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IMHO I think this was MicroProse's 'sim lite' offering at the time, with F-19 been a bit more of a heavier weight sim. I think it helps if you find your 'level' and adjust the difficulty accordingly otherwise it becomes a bit of an arcade flight shooter. But it would probably run well on the hardware of the time! 👍

@@darkenedroom Funny thing, F-19 does not exist in real life but was more serious sim 😁

@@aleksazunjic9672 F-19 s a great sim, a bit speed sensitive and some weapons are way too iffy, but they fixed all that with F-117. I have a very long playthrough of it, nearly all 99 missions! It looks like they listened to criticism and went very serious for the sequel, F-15 Strike Eagle III

The gog and Steam releases are a bit problematic, they are the older v2.16 version and there's a couple of patches to take it to v2.41 with throttle, rudder support and other changes. Added a msg on the gog harrier jump jet foorum and @Damsonn added a Steam guide a while ago. This video is using the v2.41 version.

@@darkenedroom Done thanks! However, how does throttle work? I set in dosbox joysticktype = fcs, then I exit setup and I select Yes to all questions about controls (if I want to use the joystick, if I have a thrustmaster, and if I have a Weapon Control System), and then I calibrate the joystick. Once I'm in the game I enable rudder and throttle, and rudder works, but throttle doesn't. I tried this with an old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro and an Xbox One controller. I had no luck with any! The throttle doesn't move at all

@@OnlyEarlyAccessGames IIRC DOSBox considers fcs a 3 axis device. When testing I was using a 4axis controller type and I selected no for the Thrustmaster questions. When you first enable throttle and rudders them there may be some spurious inputs, so move the throttle and rudder and they should settle down. Not sure how many axes your controller has, for my hotas I have >4. So I used the my default DOSBox axes mappings to limit to 4. So DX_X_AXIS, DX_Y_AXIS, DX_Z_AXIS (throttle) and DX_XROT_AXIS (rudder). HJJ really doesn't like timed = false for my hotas so I had to use timed = true and I had to set swap34 to true, but that is probably controller specific so you'll have to test with your controller to confirm what settings you'll need for your controllers. Hope that helps 👍

@@darkenedroom It works perfectly now, thank you! I used 4axis and responded 'no' when asked if I have a Thrustmaster. However, it is a bit difficult to set the throttle exactly in the middle (50%) when you activate it, and you always lose a bit of useful range. The Harrier's throttle might not reach the maximum, for example. But it is a minor issue, and nothing can be done about it, except enabling the throttle again in the cockpit menu and repeat. Thanks again :)

Maybe Red Baron, or Wings of Glory? Dawn Patrol could be another contender?

Picked a good one, very fluid flying for the hardware at the time! 👍

Ah yes, fleet defender, I have that, it was another sim from the same company MicroProse.

@ you have to admit it was quite fun old games are fun

@ they definitely are! 👍

In the latest experimental build from Emaculation, this behaviour was fixed with an upstream Qemu patch and it now works as a modifier key as intended 👍

It still is, definitely one of the better sim soundtracks and it was cd music so you could play it as a music cd. Bit of a shame the budget release lacked the cd music. 😞

I think I read that somewhere about the C130's and Sidewinders, not sure if in the manual or some hints I found somewhere. I'm guessing no jet exhaust and the turboprops might not generate enough heat for Sidewinders so guns it has to be! The manual does say if you're a strategy type, you might want to initially skip the sim and just run the battle plan and if you're a sim person, just do the computer suggested missions, although the chances of success are limited if you do either! Then later on, try the other aspect of the game. I think it deserves a bit more recognition especially the first VGA version which I think has a MicroProse sim kind of feel to it. I think the SVGA version tends to overshadow it a bit.

@@darkenedroom Didn't the first and 2nd game have the same content, but svga just added better graphics? The 3do version looked great with details in the graphics (flying nightmares) but the problem with that version was that they removed the campaign from it.

@@witchywoman165 yep absolutely correct. The Mac version released a couple of years later (94 I think) was also called Flying Nightmares, that had the campaign but used similar SVGA graphics as the PC, didn't have the 3DO textures, so another Mac version to investigate in the future! Removing half the game in the 3DO version seems a bit extreme!

Hope it helps!

@@darkenedroom Thanks.

Can do some interesting things with Mac emulation! 👍

It really is, often overlooked for the SVGA version, and a comprehensive dynamic campaign going on! Quite impressive for 1992!

Yup you can add games manually although I have tweaked my setup so DOSBox-X and DOSBox Staging are considered different emulators by Playnite, I should write something about that.

@@darkenedroom Tnx, I tried to install manually but without success.

@@dovpauzner5093ah I probably wasn't clear, get dosbox staging up and configured, install the game itself in dosbox staging. Should be able to run it in dosbox staging as usual. Playnite is just a game launcher that I tweaked to run dosbox staging as a separate emulator. Might work if you try and add it manually as a dosbox game,, but not 100% sure.

I've only scratched the surface so far! 🤣

@@darkenedroom Keep up the good work for yourself and for our enjoyment :)

MIdi is set to mt32 with an mt32_new model used in DOSBox config. Digital audio is set to a Soundblaster Pro 1 in the config, rest of the Soundblaster settings remain as default.

Hi, that is Playnite, a generic game launcher, so has Steam/GOG/DOSBox integration and I've tweaked it to include DOSBox Staging/DOSBox-X integration. It's running in full screen mode in the video. playnite.link/ 👍

@@darkenedroom Awesome thank you! Also appreciate your Blog showing how to set up DOSBox correctly 👍👍👍👍 Great stuff, Cheers!

Glad you liked it, still playable on Win10 with some Mac emulation!

Glad you liked the video, I have a setup guide on my website, in case you ever feel like jumping back in the cockpit! 👍

@ Falcon 3.0 은 좋은 추억으로 기억하고 지금은 DCS 를 즐기고 싶습니다. 고맙습니다 :)

Yes it's running under the latest Qemu m68k experimental build from Emaculation. A complete Mac Quadra 800 virtual Mac needs to be built and then CYAC installed. I already had the virtual Mac built with CYAC installed so I only had to configure the Qemu experimental build which was fairly straight-forward if you're familiar with Qemu. Didn't take too long trying out screen resolutions and so on.

@@darkenedroom Is there a place where we can download a complete package?

@@camberiu no there isn't, this was just me, playing around and trying stuff out. The experimental emulation build is available from Emaculation, but then you have to build the virtual Mac and install CYAC and then configure Qemu for multi-monitor support.

@@darkenedroom With PCEM you can download preinstalled setups is there anything similar for Mac emulation?

@@Gabriele-bu7ri Not really, you may be able to find some prebuilt disk images for SheepShaver but Qemu seems to be more oriented towards enterprise level emulation/virtualization on a linux platform. I can't say I've seen many/any other videos of Qemu being used for gaming?

It's pretty cool what you can do with Mac emulation these days! 😀

I've played a couple of campaigns with an earlier experimental build and this later up-to-date build is pretty solid as well! 👍

lol, a little bit smoother than ace of aces and no landing in that c64 game! Just found out there is a precision control button for F29, that would probably have made it easier! 🤣

Ah I hadn't noticed that, they are supposed to be displayed highest to lowest? Yes, 2400 seems to be just outside of what is possible but I think you're right, a single CMOH is probably hardcoded but I hadn't realised the AM or DFC might be hardcoded as well, good spot! 👍

The Mac was probably running at 512x384 or 640x480 which was a higher resolution than many of 320x200 dos games at the time. It wasn't until the advent of SVGA and higher supported resolutions that dos/win began to exceed Mac visuals.

Having a blast just in Red Flag!

It come as a bit of a surprise when I tried it! 😀

I didn't know it existed but found a copy and I think it'll definitely be something to read. The problem with F-19 is it's speed sensitivity and the effect on weapon accuracy, which meant the paveways were always missing so it was easier with slicks or sticking with Mavericks. If you want a 'manual' sim I'd recommend A-10 Attack!, it is very very manual and a lot of fun!

It's not so much the weapon but the digital audio speech occurring after the primary or secondary is hit, which seems to cause the freeze. ☹

lol, the Tripoli SAM site, I know it well :)

I do have them and at some point I should get around to installing them and maybe adding a setup guide if needed but I thought I would start at the beginning with the Mac exclusive originals and go on from there. I do like the sim part of the games, it's just a pity they never got dynamic campaigns. I think this is maybe why the later entries in the series were never as popular as some of their competition?

​@@darkenedroom agreed, the sim part is great, dynamic campaign was big thing back then, only until F-18 OIF dev decided to add a mission editor offers few replayability..but meehhh

And setup guides as well if you ever decided to give it a try!

Thankyou, the GeForce recording software does a decent job and it's taken a fair bit of testing, but I worked out how to run it well under Win10 with emulation.

Well it runs in 640x480 SVGA as opposed to the 320x200 VGA DOS version. It's plays rather similarly, well it does with my plugin, as flying with the mouse is a grim experience. But it's an absolute pain to get running under emulation and you have to use the rather involved process of setting up a Mac in MAME. DOSBox is a lot easier. SheepShaver would have simplified things and it runs more smoothly in SheepShaver were it not for the freezing and crashing. It was released a couple of years after the DOS version so it could be considered the final definitive version.

It's still such a blast!

Thankyou, very kind of you to say.

Yes, DOSBox Staging was full screen before it Falcon started, probably just a strange little quirk of the sim, was fine once I reloaded the review and tried again!

Glad it was helpful for you, thought it might be useful as I used to have DOSBox games scattered all over the disk! 👍

@@darkenedroom Me too 😀 Now it's time to put things in order.

Glad this worked out for you, happy to help! 👍

Absolutely and there was such a huge, well deserved community around it! 👍

Never as popular as some of the classics and no dynamic campaign but a fun little sim in it's own right and recommended if you want to try something not as well known. 👍

Top Gun Fingting Falcon F16😮🎉❤, 🇮🇩🫢😢

Not with the Amiga version, but had a look at some Amiga emulation. Are you thinking of running in legacy hardware or ripping the media and using emulation (or both). With emulation it can run at A1200 rather than A500 speeds so choppy framerate is not so choppy! In fact with the horrible joystick deadzone on the PC version, I'm wondering what the Amiga version might be like in WinUAE?

@@darkenedroom Depends on what the A500 Mini counts as.

@@BaronSFel001 Tricky, I seen various posts saying it runs faster and there's a bit of a manual hack to use a usb and pc to change settings. MIght be worth giving it a whirl in WinUAE first, if possible?

And very much ready to go 'out of the box', you can often just leave the default render settings as is for a good 'crt like' experience. I didn't change them in this video.

As I was doing research for the website articles I grabbed some pix of the media I think it was 1991 - 5.25 disks and by 1995 - cd rom! And I think OFT was definitely released on 5.25 disks, not sure about MiG or Hornet though?

Absolutely, one of the definitive classics of the genre!