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1. Slice it back to not give them pace which they want or 2. serve and volley as well as chip and charge which is what I used to do to avoid having to hit a lot of backhands.

Do you feel I’ve gotten anything wrong in this video?

There are few things I like more than a bit of pseudo-science in a yt tennis 'instruction' video - always makes me chuckle. Guys that have NO training in mechanics, biomechanics, physics coming up with batsh*tcrazy explanations make me chuckle... Keep it up, Guys!

Hit the ball deep, if opponent hits short ball then can run around and hit forehand to take control of the point. Easier said than done but its doable strategy since it doesn't involve high risk unless you hit to corners close to sideline.

Have Doubles players always used oversize rackets? Dodig looks like he's using a 98 or perhaps even a 97

He arches his back too much for most players to copy. His body can handle the high stresses in the lower back. Many people’s lower backs would be injured trying to copy that technique.

We tell them, because they in fact are not high level player, they tend to forget to engage their legs at all

Nice video, there are not perfect formulas, look how tennis and the way we play changed in the last years. You have a good body balance and the feet are working well too, your forehand is good and your new way have a very good thing makes you turn more your shoulders also makes you pull the racket back a bit more before the impact and that's great makes you generate more power also makes a change on your feet position, about the racquet position I will say between the old and new version will be better just keep the same shoulder rotation, feels you don't have to lower it as much even to generate top spin, in some cases you can bend a lil more the knees too and keep the racquet head just a lil up. But that's what seems like looking from outside, sure you have to do it the way your body tells you and feels more natural, fluent and better and also when you see the best result, on the end that's what counts. Along the time the gear changed a lot but also the way we play, those who try new ways and had the courage to get out of what the old books say were the ones that made tennis to have a natural evolution and the true is... its better than ever. Great video. We love tennis :) by the way great left-hand too :)

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Great analysis. What´s your opinion to Korda´s new forehand, do you think now the penetration increases? He changed his forehand takeback (low takeback now)....ruclips.net/video/HEA3UG6IpoM/видео.html

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Hi, another great video. Could you do another video for Medium-high intermediate level to advanced level so that we can build up a few videos on each other?

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I think your low to high in the After is way *too* low, someone without a western/deep semiwestern grip will shank too much. you also probably aren't getting as much compression on your ball with that much low to high. Your "before" is still low to high when you look at it but it's probably more of a driving shot. The compression with slightly low to high movement gives more top spin than a brushing extreme low to high! If you always keep your hitting hand the same height as the ball all you have to do to get more topspin is have a more steep racquet drop with a looser wrist, you don't have to drop the whole arm.

Imo, the change makes sense, but there could also be some cons lke you get more power, but sacrificing some speed and putting in more effort by going so low with the racquet head - extra energy required to always go up with the racquet. But I guess it's all well if you can play a fast paced match with this technique.

I think smaller players playing on uneven surfaces need to reduce unforced errors & inversion will increase the likelihood of these if conditions above are set. Still, inversion can be good esp. on slower balls (to generate more power).

I'm a 5.0 player. I tried what you are doing. I couldn't get the racket flip consistent especially with the racket so below the contact. I kept shanking forehands and my racket face kept opening sending the ball out. What is the feeling you get when you start moving your hand forward? What is the feeling you get when you hit the ball? Is is light brushing, cheese grating or hitting thu the ball? When I'm hitting my best forehands, it is like butter. I don't even notice any impact in my hand as I hit the ball. Those times are rare...

I think my forehand is pretty similar to yours new forehand, and they have the same issue. We are lowering the racquet head earlier and lower than it should be, losing momentum and penetration (at least in my case).

Darn Lefty does it again! If it wasn’t for that menacing left down the line shot - Scooby Doo Tennis Version

Shortening the backswing sounds good, but I have doubts about the tension that can be applied to the arm when playing with heavier balls, in my case I use a swing not so compact or so long because at the time I shortened the swing and generated more tension in the arm, causing me to suffer discomfort. I think the idea that shortening the backswing depends a lot on the physical capacity. In reference to the inverted racquet I use it but not pointing forward, but rather diagonally upwards, giving less preparation time. One player I followed a lot was Tiem and how he modified his forehand to make it compact and give him an advantage on the court. thank you very much for the video.

there are manY ways to increase power. such change is surely not a good one, if you are doing high level competition.

The after is better, of course you will have numerous variations on this model. This is inevitable because no two shots are ever exactly alike. The basic reason the after is better is simply because you can feel that it is better. Feel is such a huge part of tennis, a player must trust his feel and instincts at all times. Anyway, keep up the good work, keep filming and keep posting.

Your forehand backswing is same as holger rune

My forehand is similar with you, low racker head, but with bend arm, it hard to finish over shoulder.

I think your finish maybe too high. Korda finish on the shoulder.

Love Korda's game!

12:58 his racket is not pointed up , it’s pointed toward the net . Ur new forehand looks like a floppy weener😂. Don’t play in public , everyone will laugh

before was better 🤣

Nobody goes that low on tour

Sorry I don't like either

Great video. Very smart idea to bring the racket all the way down in take back. I’d like to draw your attention to something by the way: see how close Korda’s hitting hand to his right hip is compared to yours at the end of racket drop/when the explosive forward swing starts. Much easier power when it’s closer to the hip in the back to front plane.

I don't mean to offend, and please don't take this the wrong way, but where did you get the idea that getting the racquet head so low as you prepare was a good thing? If you look at any pro player, at the moment of maximum coil, the racquet tip will be at or above hip level and the strings about horizontal to the ground, in a relaxed and "open" position. There are good reasons for this: 1) That's about the height of the point of contact, which means that the as the body turns, the rotation of mass will on average be around the vertical axis only, making it the most efficient at transferring forward momentum to the ball. 2) A loose, coiled up arm and wrist acts like a whip, increasing racquet head speed at the moment of contact. That means more power and spin. While it is true that the racquet needs to be moving from low to high to generate top spin, you seem to be under a misconception - that this is done by lowering the racquet head from the start of the swing. In reality, the low-to-high motion happens only very briefly, when you're already accelerating forward. The racquet lags behind the hand and drops as you load and then release the wrist. You were doing that correctly before, and even said so in your video. Why did you change it? I don't get it. I suspect you opted for a stiffer backswing because it helps with consistency. But that loses you lose tons of power and spin. Old players do this because they're not as flexible or athletic. With this change, you aged your forehand by a good 20 years. Look at 13:43. Your arm looks like a wooden stick. You can't use a stick like a whip. By the time you get to maximum extension, there's so much mass down low that it's like you've parked a semi truck back there. So now you have to muscle the racquet forward to compensate, and your wrist has a lot less room to load and unload as you do. You're also leaning back. I don't know if you've noticed this about yourself. You leaned back before, but now it's worse. This is because you now have mass accelerating vertically as well as horizontally. But because your timing is quite late, the only way to maintain the same point of contact is to lean back. This again loses you tons of power. Compare Korda's lean angle vs yours at 14:14. Your upper body is fading away from the shot, while his is leaning into it. By the way, this has nothing to do with "using the ground more efficiently". What you feel is yourself pushing up instead of forward, because you need to lift more mass. Doesn't mean it's efficient. You were hitting late before the change too, which is why I suspect you felt uncomfortable and wanted to modify your forehand. Sadly, you changed the wrong thing. Your back part of the swing was fine, and you were loading and unloading the wrist correctly. What you needed to work on was timing. Compare points of contact at 13:58 and you'll realize just how late you're hitting the ball. Korda's shoulders are a good 15-20 degrees of rotation ahead of yours when he strikes the ball. That is a world of difference. And Korda is one of the guys who strikes the ball with a bent elbow, which allows a slightly later timing. Players who hit with a straighter arm and a more eastern grip can hit it even further out in front. Start your turning motion earlier, and try to get used to an earlier contact point with a more extended arm. You'll have better timing, more power, more spin and more control. If you keep stiffening up to improve consistency, your game will pretty soon look like a 60 year old's.

It's all depend on your player ... u have to check as well the results in matches .. but i usually prefer the racquet to be as before forehand swing as it's more consistency... if you can control the consistency you will control everything

Wonderful analysis. Thank you

You use the ground way better in v2 and you are more relaxed as well so theres more power. I think in v1 you aren't extending your triceps enough before the hips pop and the stroke doesn't go all the way back to a racquet flip. The low wrist is interesting in your v2 and I think you kinetic chain is better but I just hope you don't run into less control or wrist pain with a dropped wrist. You will be the judge on that. Its a long process I know, I have been doing this for almost 3 years video every session critique and change over and over. Great job!!!

I started with your after, switched to before because I was trying to find more power in my game so I based it off Alcaraz / Thiem. The inversion and (consequentially longer) take back made me have to stand further back in general. This changed my game to apply pressure by hitting a heavy ball by setting up and ripping it. I'm 5'10 so it's very hard to be standing far back and outhitting some of my opponents who are 6' and up. Ultimately I swapped back to the more compact swing because it allows me to take the ball earlier and apply pressure through time. It was also a consideration where I have a 1hbh which got me to habitually take balls early on the backhand side. The more compact swing definitely helped me sync the rhythm on both wings which suited my play style. As a smaller player, using movement and taking balls early to put pressure on some of the big hitters I player.

You’ve gone from a short swing to a long swing with a lot of pre roll. As long as you don’t play anyone who hits a hard high bouncing ball you’ll be fine with your new forehand.

Malhar, in the before video where you hit a chip and charge slice backhand and then that drop shot, that was SICK!!!!!!!!

I just changed my take back to the more "efficient" one a couple weeks ago. What I liked about the inversion was that it seemed like it had more "style" to it, and that the "efficient" take back seemed a little robotic. I also remember hearing coaches saying things about keeping the racket in front of the hands to "store" more energy. However, at least for me, I like that with the "efficient" preparation I turn my shoulders more into the coil, which means I'm closer to the ideal position to uncoil and strike the ball. It also feels like my racket and body don't have to travel as far, after the unit turn, to then extend away from my body on my right side. Also as for style, Nadal uses the "efficient" take back, (even though his racket is much closer to his body) and he makes it look really elegant. I could say more but trying to describe physical things with words seems so difficult. I also find it shocking how certain and opinionated people seem about tennis technique people seem across all videos on youtube. I play everyday and I don't see that many people with great technique and it makes me think that people are creating their technical ideas by reading and watching, but unless you are testing your own theories on the court I don't believe that people should sound so certain and myopic.

Love to see this change! This is very hard to do and imo very high tennis IQ behind the change. Quite sure that on the move and in tennis matches you now have a much more reliable and higher quality forehand! Much easier to time under pressure and your swing path creates a very challenging ball on the other side. More body involvement too so easier on the arm - Great video!

Sorry for negative comment .Before or after, the arm is doing all the striking, and that goes for Korda too. The legs and the torso are doing completely different things and are not propelling the arm. Korda is not even near the best ball strikers on tour, and your interpretation of the word ‘efficient’ is quite ridiculous.

I think the amount of time your arm stays extended in the "pat the dog" phase is more than ppl are used to seeing, while everything else looks "familiar". Prep used to look like Kyrgios' as u said, and now looks like Rune's. Stroke itself used to look like a compact version of Shapo's and now looks more like Ruud's IMHO

These changes took months of focused, deliberate practice. Your strokes are motor programs and you program yourself to move and hit in certain ways. That's why making a change is usually a difficult process-and also another reason why club and rec players reach a certain level and then plateau. You are scared of taking steps back to go forward. These are the kinds of things we cover in my newsletter-i'd love it if you joined me there: beforeandaftertennis.beehiiv.com/subscribe Also a few things I didn't get a chance to comment on such as the before being more compact. Curious to hear your thoughts! Thanks for watching.

I struggle to drop tossing arm until around the time the racket hits the lowest part of the swing (right before coming up to the ball). What is the correct way to get left arm to drop on time and not mess up the serve? I am losing alot of power but not knowing how to drop tossing arm in the serve motion.

After is much better. Way less movement in the racket before contact which will result in a much smaller chance of a mis-hit as well as less stress on your wrist.

It seems to me that before you had to accellerate way more your swing to have the same result, with the new swing you have way more time

Before is more compact which i preferred. After has too much of a racket drop

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