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I consider myself an incredibly forgiving fan. Not to say I don't judge games properly with thorough examinations, concerns and issues (I think SA2, Shadow 05 and Heroes are 6/10s for example, I adore tf out of them, especially SA2 and Shadow 05 but they have legit issues) but I generally don't jump on hate trains or meanspirited and off-puttingly delivered criticism. Aside from S4:EP1 there isn't a single mainline game I outright dislike subjectively, I have fun with Sonic almost unanimously. That being said, I hate overly protective fans that just like everything and defend and deflect criticism. "It looks like Forces", I don't agree and even if I did I wouldn't mind cause I enjoy Forces well enough but I can literally see where you guys are coming from, the concerns have objective merit to them. I don't agree but I understand, I'm hoping the game proves you guys wrong but I'm open to the possibility that it might not, that it might actually disappoint. "It isn't even finished yet, just a trailer, stfu" no overly positive guy, YOU stfu, if the trailer is enough material for you to get excited about then it's also enough material for anyone to be critical about, it goes both ways. Same with haters which oooh believe me, as a guy who's second favorite Sonic game is 06 and his 4th favorite is S4:EP2 I've had to endure A LOT of slander over the years, if you talk down a game for being "completely bad" you are indeed quite literally completely wrong. "Everything about this looks like trash", no, it doesn't, there hasn't been a single Sonic game that looked like trash pre-release. S4 looked like a decent mobile game, Forces looked fun, Lost World looked a bit... Identity confused but charming and polished, 06 looked like a banger, Shadow 05 looked raw AF. And guess what? Objectively all of these except maaaaaaybe S4:EP1 AREN'T trash. Many things to criticize in them? Arguably, although I'm a firm believer that the fanbase treats conventional 6/10s and 7/10s as 3/10s, like I've said I don't think there's any game in the series' mainline lineup aside from S4:EP1 that deserves lower than a 6/10. But there's ALWAYS many things to love too, every product Sonic Team has touched they've tried in some way to make special and fun and cool and it always shows one way or the other, whether it's story, themes, OST and audio design, gameplay, presentation, polish or all of the above (most games just have most or enough of the above to be at least decent). In short, I think Sonic fans have an issue with polar extremes. They're either overly protective and defensive or overly judgemental and meanspirited, the average Sonic fan has not yet discovered the concept of an in-between. Pretty much all games in existence are a bag that's mixed, good and bad, almost always a lot of good and a lot of bad. I do not agree with the SxS criticism so far but problems with it WILL arise whether I see it yet or not, I think it looks flawless so far but I know that it isn't. Even if I play it and don't encounter anything I know I can look online and find someone that will shed some light into some of the cracks I missed, that's not hate, it's constructive criticism. I think both of us will get validated in the end.

Cyberspace levels suck. The controls are bad, the jumping, the speed, the turning, the gravity, the level design, once again reusing assets and so short.

They need actual tutorial stages like Unleashed Apotos Act 1 or the tutorials in Colors DS

Dont share your opinion on the sonic franchise ever again. Thank you

i went to the toilet while playing sonic generations and forgot to pause and when i came back and carryed on playing i still got an s rank and the lvl took 7 mins idk how

Honestly I think sonic should have both

Me:" im a longtime sonic fan i dont like anything!"

PSO2 has a very real problem too, tbh. It has so many problems, and Sega isn't doing much to fix it. That being said, I still enjoy the game. Combat is crazy fun, and obliterating armies with techniques is so much fun. The "open world" however is tiny, and has very little in it. The DOLLS enemies frequently reuse animations from PSO2 base game, and some of the AI is reused, and neutered. There's no monster infighting, and everything is just naturally hostile towards players. Techniques have lost a massive chunk of their tactical use. Setting an enemy on fire, freezing them, getting them to flinch when shocking them, blinding them, causing them to miss, or panic, and attack their friends, it's gone. It's all been replaced by a pointless knockdown mechanic that just mimics what every melee class can do. In fact, during boss fights, where elemental knockdowns are needed most, the boss has such an absurdly high elemental resistance that in most cases, it would unironically be a better choice to use GiMegid, and quickly shred the boss' health bar down.

Alright to me memorizing the level design is lazy way to "get better" like every game u get better at memorizing the game, and its even worse with sonic with all those different paths

This series has inconsistent art styles you'll never know what direction They'll be taking for the future games and that's ok...because things won't get stale we just need to accept it because wheather ylike it or not sonic is such a flexible snd you can throw him in any settings and he somehow make it work

Question. What was the credits BGM? I liked it a lot.

I agree for the most part but I mean eggmaland in unleashed excict.

I'd say both. Just tie them to different buttons.

I really love Sonic Drive from Sonic X. I prefer it as a theme for Sonic's character over most of the others, it feels like a blend of It Doesn't Matter and His World with the speed of the song and the lyrics that it comes with.

I disagree with Matt. From the looks of the level design, it looks better than the highs of Forces. (Which aren’t just hallways, there are some okay moments in Forces’ level design)

On the fighter side, I would feel most comfortable just having Sonic, Tails, Shadow and Eggman as distinct fighters. No, I don’t want Shadow to be an echo. I feel like he has too much potential to be his own character, and he has a lot of appearances where he was his own character from Sonic. A pseudo echo like Falco with Chaos Control and Chaos Spear as specials. Some moves from Sonic Battle and 06 for his Dash Attack, Smash Attacks, some of his Aerials, etc. would work fine. I just don’t think Shadow would feel like Shadow if he directly copies Sonic. Some of Sonic’s moves can work for Shadow, but it just doesn’t feel right copying almost all of it.

"sonic is hard" i think you were right to rephrase that💀💀💀

I literally woke up from a nap and the first thing I hear is "Sonic is hard".Wow

This is why you get dislikes because again sucking Content creators with bad takes like so many games are now trash.

Im a sonic fan but I don't associate with the fanbase because its toxic and they all can't agree what is a great sonic game its so stupid if this continues im quitting sonic all together

Because the games are better than forces alot of fans automatically think its the best game ever. If this was any franchise most fans would be saying it looks pretty ok. And my biggest problem that ive never really wanted to say is hedgehog engine. They keep building games off prievious ones which would be fine if the previous games werent terrible. The physics are still really fakes and are quite binary theres no natural movement turning decelleration or falling its always the same when you turn in the air in sonic unleashdd and gens you start slowly but of you kep going you will turn quickly but slow down l. But in frontiers if ylu turn in mid air your air ln a set path and cant forces it any further. That is the biggest leoblem with the current games

Tbh i like generations difficulty. Its easy to beat and mediocare for 100%

I just thought of a new compromise. And airdash with an upwards arc but it also takes into account the direction and speed and acts as a multiplier for those 2 things but also have a speed limit as well so you can airdash for infinite speed. If you are going up the arc will be big and if you are going down fast enough then it will be straight

CRAZY video start

People don't play Sonic games for the difficulty.

skill issue get good

Even the older games have gameplay of new players playing bad, even the Adventure games, even the classic games, idk why people's brain turns off when playing Sonic games, but that always happens

Forces has the unfortunate luck of being released after mania. It has flaws, every sonic game does, and sure it feels like they were putting effort elsewhere considering some of leaked details that came out. but when people started saying its next gen levels of broken, thats just pure ridiculous to me lol

I think that they should make levels that a beginner can get through, but will always get an E rank. Just like how the 2D sonic games have the fast top hard path and the slow easy bottom path, 3D sonic games should do the same, so that both the experienced players and beginners can have fun with this game. The stages should get harder and harder as you go through, but there should always be the easy bottom path no matter how far are you in the game... ... except if you wanna make the last level like eggmanland.

I think fundamentally, the design of the games is usually fine at the core, whether they're more challenging like Unleashed or breezy like Generations- the replayability is evident in how often we replay those games despite the complaints about their difficulty. I believe the issue is more of a matter of the extrinsic factor. On the end of newcomers or more casual fans, Sonic Team's pension for lackluster tutorials ends up hurting their learning experience- to master these games you often have to first understand the actual applications of Sonic's abilities and playstyle, as opposed to the casual misunderstanding that it's simply "go fast", which often just ends up with their frustration as they smack into walls and obstacles. There's definitely a lot of intuition that has to be gained to truly get the most out of it, but we need a better "first step" to ease people into that idea. Even hardcore fans sometimes fail to understand the nuances (see: all the people who complain about Unleashed's drift because they don't know you're not meant to boost and drift simultaneously in that game- even if you dislike that design choice, the design of the levels becomes a lot less frustrating in some ways once you know that and put it into practice- but I can't blame anyone for not knowing, the game just fails to teach that in the first place, and I've noticed this is a common problem with almost every 3D Sonic game.) But of course, as the video mentions, the opposite end also has an issue, the games can feel too easy once you actually understand how to play them. I don't believe this necessarily needs to be addressed through harder level design- even games like Unleashed or Final Horizon which are seen as "hard" by Sonic standards aren't that challenging when you have a good grasp on the physics and control and a little more familiarity with the design (well, Final Horizon still has some mean aspects but that's mostly due to some objectively poor design choices regarding the way boss hitboxes work in relation to the perfect parry, no matter how much you try to skew anything else as a "skill issue" there's really no defending that last trial as anything resembling a fair challenge), but rather, we really just need the ranking system to be good again. In my own perfect world, we'd get the pre-Gens ranking system back, I liked how SA2-Colors actually encouraged engaging with the levels on a deeper level and making it so that the lower routes had more of a function besides punishing poor play- but if ST wants to stick with a heavily or even strictly time-based ranking system such as that present in Gens, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers, then they just need to balance it more around optimal play. With few select exceptions, S Ranks are handed out like candy in the most recent games and it just feels unsatisfying. This is why cases like 1-2 in Frontiers felt like such a difficulty spike. To Sonic Team's credit, I have heard Extreme Mode in Frontiers actually does make strides in that direction, but that kind of S-Rank difficulty should be standard rather than locked behind a difficulty option that otherwise might not be appealing to even hardcore fans. Anyways sorry for the ramble, this was a good video and I'm always happy to see this kind of thing addressed, its really one of the biggest issues with Sonic games that's kinda persisted since the beginning and Sonic Team seems to really struggle with how to address it.

2d game are betters

How to make a correct difficulty: Play freedom planet 2

Don't forget how big of a complexity jump unleashed was when compared to Sonic Adventure 2/Heroes and that Sonic Unleashed had the most challenging boost gameplay with stages such as eggmanland. Fans became overly proficient at the boost formula right out of the gate and then the difficulty took a nosedive immediately after.

I think the solution has been right there for the longest time: the ranking system. They can design stages that are easy enough for the average player to clear, albeit with a B rank or worse, but make the S rank requirements hard enough to challenge veteran players. That way both types of players are satisfied, casuals can just go through the game normally with a mild difficulty, but for players who want more, they can start chasing the challenging S ranks. Sonic Team seem to have understood this in games like Unleashed and SA2, but for some reason they just forgot. In newer realeases like Forces or Frontiers, S ranks are so braindead easy that veterans are left unsatisfied, so they complain the games are too easy. If they start making stages more difficult to clear regardless of rank, then some players will say they're too hard. The ranking system allows players to pick their difficulty in a natural way, no need for difficulty modes, it's an elegant solution!

There is not a single hard sonic game imo but sonic games are easily my most played games

I still stand by that it's not the criticisms that people don't like, but Sega's response to them. Take something like the use of Sonic's friends for example. Some people might say "Ok, games like Sonic 06 has a few too many characters, and most of them aren't very fun to play with. Maybe Sega could benefit from having just Sonic in the next game, and start to bring others back slowly, and ultimately spend more time making their gameplay better." Sounds like a legitimate criticism to me. But Sega don't listen to these kinds of fair and constructive criticisms, because they're constantly being drowned out by people going "URGH, SONIC'S STINKY FRIENDS, THEY SUCK, ONLY PEOPLE WHO LIKE 'EM ARE CRINGEY FURRIES! DON'T LIKE 'EM, GET RID OF 'EM OR I'M NEVER PLAYING ANOTHER SONIC GAME EVER AGAIN, REEEEEEEE!" Just getting rid of them, and then winking at their audience and going "Don't worry! We hate them as much as you all do! Look at how useless they are!" And then flanderizing their personalities and having them being utterly useless without Sonic to help them, is not only lazy, but is surprisingly not an improvement!

DO NOT MAKE THAT SONIC SUPERSTARS DIFFICULTY EVER AGAIN!!!!! that is all Side note: Super Hard Mode in Adventure 2 and heroes was fine

Lowkey don’t care Bout the shadow part of gens that much I lost my copy of gens as a kid and haven’t played it in forever

0:26 is the most overthink thing I've seen in a long time. It's extremely easy.

Mega Collection gave me all sorts of challenges as a kid. Adventure 2 had a couple of unfair stages that stumped me. Generations is mostly a wimpy walk in the park. Lost World was kinda tricky at times. Rise of Lyric just looked stupid. Frontiers is a boring Spyro game.

Im sorry but lost worlds controls are really easy to understand not everything needs a tutorial IMO its fun to figure simple stuff out

Honestly Sonic games don’t suck. If they you call them hard it’s probably skill issue. The only thing SEGA needs to fix is the easy parts

I think sonic team should have time to create an actually good video game.

I really hope they continue to make optional sonic frontiers dlc difficulty style .

This is honestly a good topic to talk about, and I have been thinking about it myself for quite some time. The main issue I've noticed with the final horizon is that Sonic Team struggles to find a balance when it comes to difficulty. They struggle or just cannot find a middle ground. they go all in, and as a result have to nerf certain things. Even with nerfs, they tend to overcorrect. The final horizon was definitely not tested enough; I'd even say that it wasn't play tested at all. I much prefer the platforming/puzzles of the 2nd update and the final horizon because they're MUCH more engaging and require more inputs and thought. For once, I actually had to switch my brain on for specific platforming sections or puzzles. They should definitely expand on the difficulty levels present in Frontiers. An easy mode shouldn't exactly hold your hand for the whole game. They should consider other accessibility settings in general imo. Great video, though!

You don’t understand Sonic.

I think the way they did it in heroes with team rose, sonic and dark along side the super hard mode was perfect and is the best solution to the problem Because higher difficulty mostly result in higher replay value even though sonic generations is extremely replayable a game like Sonic mania and the classics in general are 3 times more replayable but they're much harder when you first pick them up and have a much higher skill ceiling

git gud... but also, if you want a REAL 3D Sonic experience, play Spark The Electric Jester 3 on PC.

Aside from the perfect parry, final horizon was actually a breath of fresh air for me, because of the added difficulty...

i won’t defend sonic generations rank system but i will say the red rings do a good job of incentivizing replay-ability