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Happy to help!

It’s my pleasure! Thanks for your kind words 🙏🏻

Empathy to you! I agree

Witnessing you in that! I’ll post more videos soon about this

Happy to help’

Witnessing you in that!

@@Nervous_System_Coach ~ Could you elaborate? I’m not familiar with the expression, “witnessing you in that,” in such context.

@@zaadiavaline9956 sure! It’s just a figure of speech to express empathy

@@Nervous_System_Coach ~ Yes, I could sense your Empathic efforts, yet I’ve never heard such an expression in this context, so I’m wondering where & how it began? Where in our world are you? Is it commonly spoken in your culture, or is this just another new generational slang trend? I’m curious, as things like this fascinate me.

Witnessing you in that! I’ll post more videos on this soon

@@Nervous_System_Coach Thankyou so much🙏🙂...That would be great...this is the first video which addresses the issue...btw have been having neck pain with a lot of tightness in the lower hip on the right side...it's all connected

@@nilag6774 it’s definitely all connected! That sounds tough- I’ve experienced all of that too. Witnessing you! I’ll be sure to post more on this, it seems to be interesting to more than just me! Lol

Great question, thanks for asking. Im not suggesting that Europeans don’t have this instability as well. I just don’t know to what degree this differs between continents. Mostly I think it has to do with core stability and activity levels between cultures- and muscle tone is a huge help to stabilize joints. HMSD is a stability issue within the joints, so I wonder how much of the posture comes from untreated HMSD.

American food is fortified with artificial B-vitamins. Which can also cause mental health problems, anemia, and cancer, especially when combined with other crap Americans are consuming that aren't a thing in Europe -- crazy food dyes, glyphosate, lysol. See: "Folate-dependent hypermobility syndrome: A proposed mechanism and diagnosis"

Ahaha I mean, correlation isn’t always causation but I’m not here to pop your balloon 🎈😂❤️

Oof- that sounds rude AF. Empathy to you

He could have been trying to figure out all the muscles and joints that were involved. OP isn’t clear that it was done to mock them or if it was just how the PT was processing and understanding what he needed to work with them on. If he was mocking, then yes, very rude and unprofessional!

@Nervous_System_Coach @Ann963 I think he literally could not figure out how I had my neck the way I did and not be in hideous pain. I came in for a shoulder, and he saw my neck shit and was just the f××× is that business. Every time we learned a new exercise, he'd have to tell me not to overdo it because some of my ligaments were too stretchy or something. So it was do this. OH, SHT NOT THAT FAR! But the video explains a lot of my personal quirks

@@Ann963 excellent point!

@@ikari66662 thanks for clarifying- that story sounds oh too familiar unfortunately.

That’s an interesting take! I don’t agree that poor posture is required for most jobs- with the exception of plumbers or other contortionists lol as far as desk jobs and factory jobs go there is a lot of room for improvement ❤️‍🩹

@@Nervous_System_Coach factory jobs, I was referring to mostly, where people are bending forward about 8 hours a day, but yeah, if the machines or the packing lines were raised, it would be better

My first thought is core strength. Europe has much more developed public transportation and cities tend to be more walkable- so the activity levels of folks are much higher than NA where cars dominate. Even without doing crunches or planks etc to build the core, Europeans are far and away more practiced at using their core stability to stay upright than we are in the states. I bet there are other contributing factors too, like culture, or even prevalence of HMSD

My mom can do that, but can’t get out of a chair easily.

That’s cool! I’m glad you’re starting to notice improvements and balance come back into your muscles 💪🏼

Totally! It’s beautiful in art, and biomechanically inefficient IRL lol I used to do this a LOT more. The ironic part is that it’s proven to require MUCH more energy to stay in positions that are not in alignment (“good” posture) than it is to stand with our joints stacked on top of one another. It sucks in the short term, but your fatigue and strength will return much faster if you decide to tackle the lean! 💪🏼🫶🏼

@@Nervous_System_Coach well the only question is how to do it. I'm definitely not gonna try to just stand for prolonged periods of time, lol

@@6lancmange I can post more videos on this, but it starts with noticing your body posture and making small adjustments towards alignment. That can be anything from sitting up taller, sleeping on your back, or even laying flat on the floor

I have this too, I'm pretty fit these days and still do it just as much so i think it's more to do with ligaments and neurological aspects than muscular strength. It's worse when I'm mentally tired and it got a lot worse when i had bad neurological effects as part of long covid

@@vacafuega definitely the case!

🤭 I realized that- and I thought it was reminiscent about how we tend to collapse in on ourselves as a result. Instead of standing up with good posture, we lean on things. If there are no things to lean on, we lean on ourselves.

^ me when i spread disinformation on the internet 😎

@@austincde which part exactly are you referring to?

Ooo that’s an interesting thought! That wouldn’t surprise me a bit. It’s those little daily factors that tend to compound over time and create issues.

I think it’s Hollywood. Think James Dean. We’ve been seeing that in movies for young adults for decades.

lol I agree, it has a misleading name. Though people who are hyper mobile often CAN move and stretch beyond what is considered the normal human range of motion.

As someone who’s dealt with some fraction of medical terminology, this is as close to straightforward a term as is allowed.

It’s more so that the specific ligament can flex more or stretch more than is the intended range of movement. So, one person could have one ligament that’s hypermobile and not even notice. Or they could have many ligaments hypermobile and overall their whole body would also flex and stretch more. But the word still applies to them both.

The actual term for the diagnosis is Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder. If you meet certain criteria, the diagnosis is Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. They are connective tissue disorders, and it's the lack of or defective connective tissue that creates hypermobility. These diseases also severely impact organ and brain function.

"Hyper-" is a prefix meaning "over," so hypermobility means "over movement." Very appropriate as the condition sees the person with overly mobile or flexible joints and ligaments. Particularly in the US, hyper has become a cultural shorthand for "hyperactive" (over active), a diagnosis dished out in the '90s.

Great question! I’m not sure that we have a good answer for the root cause of it yet. We do know that it’s a combination of laxity in the connective tissue and the nervous system not activating our stabilizer muscles. As far as solutions go- consider that it’s a lack of stability at the joint, so our solution would be to add stability to the joint (usually through building muscle mass around it). Regular exercise is very helpful

I don't think it's because it's more prevalent than it ever was it's just that doctors still don't believe that EDS is really a thing and refuse to dx it. I pass every test for hypermobility and have the history of dislocation etc as well. So at 62 I am in a lot of pain but they keep denying the diagnosis. I'm trying to do what I can to strengthen and work on posture etc. It kind of sucks to have a so called "zebra" disease that you get to suffer from until someone believes you.

@@puggirl415 witnessing you in this ❤️‍🩹 I agree- this is absolutely the case in the medical field. There isn’t a lot of money going towards research or treatment of this condition yet.

Same same! I think about it a LOT. 🩰

Interesting thought! Nope, it’s definitely not a stretching of skeletal tissue. It’s a lack of stability at a joint due to weakened connective tissue. It’s not so much bc the muscle alone is more stretchy, it’s that the joint tissue has more laxity. Instability due to poor posture can also be painful and uncomfortable, but it’s not the same as being hyper mobile 🙂 It’s absolutely both- learned behaviors plus connective tissue laxity contribute to the issue.

@Nervous_System_Coach Like I said it was just a hypothesis. I am one of those people who can touch their thumb to their forearm and their palms to the floor so obviously my frame of reference will be skewed because you said right at the beginning you weren't talking about people like me. Anyways I wasn't debating the lack of stability or strength. It's not good for the skeleton. I was simply throwing darts at the wall how we got to this point.

@@JackofWhitechapel totally! I love postulating theories and ideas. I’m glad you commented!

You can stretch connective tissue if you're consistent, that's how gymnasts do it - so it's definitely possible that's happening. I mean, our ligaments can get shortened by sitting a lot of wearing high heels all the time, so it stands to reason they will stretch too

@vacafuega that's what I thought, at least that's what I thought I understood from a bunch of yoga and Tai chi books. But then there are also pseudo-limits to how flexible a person can be/ should be too as I understand it. Like she's not wrong about the posture creating weakness and stress on integral structures. And then there's sorta the elephant in the room that neurodivergent people are more likely to be hypermobile.

So glad to hear it! I hope it helps

You’re welcome! Happy to share 🙂

Right?? Humans are designed to move. Sitting still all day isn’t the way, I agree. Note that didn’t say that stimming was a replacement for exercise 😉 Stimming falls into a category of movement called Non-Exercise-Adaptive-Thermogenesis (NEAT). Just another healthy, pathway for human bodies to function optimally. It’s a complement, not a replacement.

So it’s absolutely a contributing factor to lactic acid production, but you won’t be feeling soreness like with vigorous exercise.

Witnessing you in that! Our bodies are built to MOVE and IMO it’s the more unnatural thing to be perfectly still.

It’s such a beautiful thing to see become common practice. The older generations of folks who didn’t have this have my BIG empathy.

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I love to see the self compassion and curiosity! There’s so much here. Kudos to you and I’m rooting for you! It’s not an easy thing.

Love to hear that! Yes for sure. instagram.com/the_nervous_system_coach?igsh=YWxqcm03emtldGpu&

Ahaa yesss thanks! 🙏🏻

I love that you brought this up! I talk about barefoot shoes all the time. They’re a HUGE help. People don’t realize that modern shoes are not designed for our bodies, but for fashion.

@@Nervous_System_Coach Yes! but it’s deeper than fashion, tis psychological. The feet are a structural repeat of the spine, ankles are connected to the upper neck. Your hips and base of the neck are connected and mimic each other! Is it any wonder women are especially out of whack in the issues of wombs? Cuz our center of gravity has been tilted to a ‘masculine’ angle, ie forward. This puts a woman’s psyche in a stress response= survivalist mindset. Not blaming women, but the program is imposed on us and then We replicate it to our detriment. Then epigenetics means the mindset stays and the heels aren’t as necessary ♥️ I trained in dance so i think a lot about the physicality of movement 🥳♥️🥳🙏🏿

@@Ananka76 physiological for sure! The anatomy of it all definitely tells us that being barefooted is best (for many reasons!). It’s interesting to consider the psychology and women & gender studies of it all.

I've heard Europeans mention it. I would be curious to see a study.

I haven’t seen one but I’d love to know! It’s easy for me to see though, given the lifestyle differences between the countries. We tend to be WAY more sedentary in the US, and there’s a lot more walking, public transport and general activity in European countries. Little things make a big difference over time.

Yes for sure! We tend to zone out and “push through” discomfort when these signals are really important messages from our body. The self awareness of it is a HUGE help though.

Also- big empathy to you! Hypermobile EDS is no joke ❤️‍🩹

Now that I think about it, white Americans probably have a smaller gene pool than Europeans. Very few Europeans came to America and a lot of the ones that did didn't make it very long and so we were probably working from a pretty limited amount of people to begin with which probably caused the passing on of an abnormally large amount of recessive genes. I'm not an expert, I'm just a random person, this is just a theory. I would love to know the answer!

Solid question! I don’t think that *all* people who do the lean are hyper mobile. It’s more of a question of how HMSD can be exacerbated and completely missed or untreated because of the prevalence of this sort of posture.

I suspect that a lot of it is cultural, but I would *love* to see stats about the prevalence of HMSD and EDS in the US vs. Europe

There's some correlation between hypermobility and autism, and autists tend to do better socially with each other than with the broader society. So it's not implausible that groups that chose to emigrate from Europe had higher rates of autism and conditions comorbid to autism.

@@JonBrase what an interesting take! I would LOVE to see studies on this. The implications would be huge.

That's why she didn't say "bad"

Im not sure what is irresponsible about that. Genuinely confused. As someone with hyper-mobile elhers danlos syndrome, for me my hyper-mobility has aided in de-stabilizing all of my joints. Hyper-mobility isn't as much of a problem when accompanied by muscle mass, but even then, I am baffled and struggle to come up with an instance when it is ideal to be hyper-mobile

When I say “not ideal” I don’t say it in a shaming way- as I also experience this myself. Nobody is born wanting to be achey and sore lol. More so from a biomechanics/ kinesiology perspective- like ideal would be a body that has access to its full range of motion without pain.

Well, in the sense that being in pain and feeling weak is not an ideal for anyone really