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Great interview. All power to Laminar's elbow! Subbed 🎉

November 2024 and still no updates about this...what's going on with this planned store?

I feel like Xplane 12 was only released to compete with 2020. They had 4 years to concentrate on world building. They are now starting. A bit to late

What a great interview. The most informative I have ever seen about X-Plane. Thank you all.

Thanks for the great interview. Looks like I was right all along and XPlane fanboys hated me for it (Goldgamer, frankbyte, hans). Xplane is years behind graphically and architecturally, and the future doesn't look good based on the progress. That's why Xplane fanboys will continue to be upset. DSF format, 20 years old tech, and Xplane fanboys did not want to believe me ... MSFS with the new release has already caught up probably to Xplane's flight model and the amount of planes/add ons make Xplane look abandoned.

Some good news here for us. I'm new to XP12 ,after a few years in MSFS . A month ago I couldn't wait to get my hands on MSFS 2024. After a couple of weeks flying in XP12 I'm not even too interested in 2024 anymore. But things like shimmering everywhere, including on water, or weird reflections, graphical glitches with clouds etc. all need to be fixed for more users to be attracted to XP12. P.S. I can totally see how this dev they mentioned (sorry, forgot the name) likes watching planes land in XP12. It's one of my favorite things to do, too!

FBW is so far ahead of PMDG lol. The 777s sounds and wingflex are a freaking joke

Awesome show, guys - looking forward to seeing you guys again next Expo! (Jan from Germany)👍

Interesting how they glossed over that most major developers have said they won't go on the Xplane store

much better than the "Delta_Who" sessions, man that guy was a freak:)

Can't be anything but excited for what's coming to XP12. So so excited!

As an XP user (and amateur scenery developer) of 2 years, my wish list is: 1. More realistic scenery 2. More warbirds, both WW2 and jet age 3. An XP Academy that provides understandable, practical advice for building scenery and aircraft Very happy with it apart from that, and I'd never go to MSFS

The most informative exposé Ive listened to on X Plane since I started using it in 2013

i really love this podcast. keep up the great work guys!

I think X Plane should partner with Google to take on Microsoft. Google has the tech to give X Plane the scenery it deserves.

I strictly use msfs but fully respect xplane for what they've done. I briefly used xplane 9. Both are great. Unless you've flown a real. What's funny to me is when people talk about "realism." Most people have never flown an airliner or even a light aircraft. I can tell you now.. FS2024 is about to become as real as it gets. Visually.. its going to be gorgeous. That's also a part of the realism. The experience.

Wow, it looks like FSX in terms of graphics. Great!

I use XP since 10, LR has gone a long way. Yes MSFS looks better, and maybe always will. But XP is always ahead. XP all the way!

Imagine this conversation in 10 - 20 years..😮

Big thanks Guy for this great conversation with Ben and Thompson, I love Laminar team , they do what they do very well with passion and consistence for years. i'm flying only in VR, i'm glad to hear about performance improvement and the implementation of VRSS..

This is another factor that makes me stick we xplane, the human element of the developers, how many COMMUNITY QnA's take place at the will of the devs, nothing like microsoft where we dont even know who is making the game. Kudos to LR for their time to give us insight into their game

Thank you guys for the interview ❤ I'm so thrilled and excited hearing Ben what the XP guys are developing, thats gorgeous, I'm lookinf forward to the "next gen xplane" 😃

In regards to your question about commercial applications: We have an entire series of aircraft coupled with a prominent hardware developer that we license out to flight schools and pilots for training. AATD and BATD certifications. Our products are used by airlines and universities all over. It's huge and Worldwide! If you are flying at a school with specific aircraft we make you most likely will use our software in X plane 11 and 12. It's pretty rad to be apart of real World training.

Great video and great questions from the hosts!

Funny they mentioned the 'Star Wars' rain. Years ago I jumpseated on a 737 and it literally looked like Star Wars when we flew through heavy rain with the landing lights on

I enjoy msfs but I always find myself going back to xp 12. Flight model and physics are miles above the level in msfs. People don’t realize that with a couple free mods the sim looks almost as good as msfs. Also xp has Toliss and Rotate two of the best of the best developers out there. XP is still my favourite sim to this date.

I don't like the idea of a xplane marketplace its pointless and it dumbs down the xplane platform as mod friendly program I really like to control my mods and install them myself, However if it means laminar get a bigger cut from sales that will be a good thing and also unlike microsoft laminar are pro open source so I am kind of hopeful.

Having owned every copy of MSFS since FS95 (as well as P3D), Xplane is THE BEST on the points that matter: -Stability, flight model and UI. I can shut down MSFS2020 one day, and start it up again the next day and suddenly for no reason at all my toe brakes stopped working, just like it used to be in FSX. Its a typical issue. Also it CTDs on me more than four times the amount of Xplane! So as much as I love the Fenix A320, I prefer flying Toliss or FF because they rarely fail me.

There is nothing Microsoft can do to take me away from X-Plane 12. Clouds are amazing. Toliss is the key.

Couple questions i have that I would love to hear direct answers on in the future. 1. When will light pollution from below reflect on the clouds as the moon light currently illuminates clouds from above. 2. When will the moon illuminate aircraft fuselages and to some extent cockpits at night. 3. When will aircraft lighting (landing/beacons) reflect off clouds.

Also, the relief on Ben's face at 1:11:22... We all felt that.

I wrote, a few years back, in a comment on the dev blog that they should use ortho data not to display it in-engine but use it a seed for a procedural engine of some sort to recreate it at a much higher resolution. And without the need to license hundreds of terabytes if not petabytes of imagery... NASA even has a Blue Marble Next Generation ortho dataset for free I think, with topography and bathymetry at 500m of spatial resolution, corrected for cloud coverage and with monthly (seasonal) changes. Also, higher res data, to some reasonable level, should not be too expensive for Laminar Research to buy or license, but that's just an educated guess... I said as well that the sim should look the same whether it is online or not. Stream if you want but if not, pre-download everything. Even if the entire world scenery would end-up being a few tens of terabytes, I imagined that they could, for fortunate players or flight schools for example, ship the entire world on a NAS or something equivalent, that would then be upgraded / patched online when necessary. Anyways, It's good news to know that they are exploring the idea to only use orthophoto as an input data source to generate high quality scenery. Hopefully it can work, because in order to make ortho generate a good visual experience, well, look at Microsoft and the amount of data, cloud and machine learning infrastructure and money necessary to make something stunning looking like MSFS2024. Not to mention the resources to be able to bring dozens of partners to build different parts of the sim. That's obviously out of reach for Laminar Research. Doesn't mean we can't appreciate what LR is doing with a much smaller team... It's going to be hard to compete against MSFS2024, if it is even possible, especially since it has now seemingly close the gap on about everything, almost. Especially physics / ground physics, lighting (photometric / PBR as well), similar gateway scenery incoming, etc. At this point, better for Laminar Research to differentiate themselves form Microsoft / Asobo, if that makes sense. Don't try to compete with them directly. Keep XP offline friendly, don't display ortho in the base product (leave that to addon makers) but use it to generate a unique bespoke scenery. And maybe keep a slight advantage in flight physics with very niche cases that Meyer will certainly come up with. At this point, there is not much more they can do against Asobo and the billions of dollars of Microsoft. Imho. EDIT: Except the pro market which is probably a significant part of their business, I know, before someone gets angry... :)

I fly both XP11 and XP12. The reason I still fly XP11 is VR resolution/anti-aliasing and FPS performance is much better. When I want to see better clouds and great lighting (but willing to tolerate lower resolution and more aliasing artifacts), I choose XP12. So I bounce back and forth. I'd like to see Laminar Research put much more effort into VR improvements and performance improvements.

There is this addon in MSFS that can turn off the co-pilot side displays to save some framerate. I wonder if that can be done in XP as well.

I realized how superior to ms fs is xplane (in regard to flight dynamics) some 16 years ago when I started to fly for real and it was the recommendation of some of my instructors.

going to cut the cord on 2020

XP is dead!!!

The problem with XP 12 is not XP 12 per se but the developers who ask very high prices for their planes and scenery. Many will say it's because X-Plane has such a small supporter base. That is exactly what is wrong with that argument. If the developers ask for more reasonable prices for their work many simmers will use X-Plane to benefit the developers in the long run.

Great interview gents! XP was designed to use as an IFR training device. So scenery has never been Austin’s priority. If you watch his videos when he flies, he gets to altitude quickly where the “plausible scenery” looks okay. The scenery design makes sense when you look at it from that perspective. However, the user base doesn’t share the same use scenario. In GA and helicopters, the scenery being realistic matters more to sim aeronautical decision making. I fly DCS, MSFS, and XP. They all have their pros and cons. The scenery isn’t great in any sim at 1000’ AGL. It would be nice if they modernized the scenery format and catered to us low and slow GA users.

outstanding interview! Thanks to all for making this possible, you both blu and XP, and also Ben and Thompson for taking your time, answering all questions very detailed and indepth. Ignore those people wanting to devalue X-Plane, by comparing it to AAA-mega production with Microsoft as a funder and a bunch of more than 500 team members. YOU made the superior flight model and physical experience. MSFS is more of the gamy and scenery/visual driven Sim. Keep on sorting out the issues and do not stop building your own vision of what is meant to be a flight simulator. Best time ever for Simmers to have two different enthusiastic Sims with each having their own focusses.

Still the most enjoyable flight model sim out there, but whithout frame generation and other solutions to improve performance and graphics is looking really dated nowadays.

I feel like they don’t need to change their scenery, what makes MSFS unique is its graphics, pushing the possibilities of modern technology, what makes Xplane unique is it’s flight model, as it is the most physically realistic simulator, with MSFS still close behind, yet not at their level.

Great interview. They handled the questions really well

I always loved these guys' pioneer spirit .......one thing though,that makes me shunt away from XP more and more: for years now, I have spent a lot of money on third party addons ,trying to make X-plane look better …..I expected X-plane 12 to be an improvement on scenery and real world resemblance. (X-plane 12 still has German style autogen on mediterrean islands - example: way too many bright stupid yellow houses everywhere-). I understand now, they pretend they care, but they don’t .Real improvements come way too slow. I wonder if anybody at Laminar cares to read these comments.

It seems to me that all those haters/MSFS fanboys or what ever you wanna call them seem not to see is the amount of resources both teams have. Asobo is a team of hundreds of people and unlimited resources (money/satellite images etc.) and LR is a tiny team in comparison…David vs Goliath if you will. Yes XP has its issues which I sometimes hate and MSFS2024 is around the corner with all its amazing visuals and features so I’ll definitely gonna get it but I still hope LR will get those updates out asap and make XP great again. Fingers crossed

The hoax of better flight model still strong I see.

Great interview! Thx Blu and XP!

Bottom line - the graphics suck, and they are not doing anything about it. I doubt there are many new simmers choosing XP over MSFS. They are a sinking ship. Sure, simmers who have used it for years and have invested $ into their sim will continue using it. But new simmers? No way. These guys are living in denial. As MSFS continues to improve, and more developers focusing on MSFS, what is the value proposition for new simmers to choose XP over MSFS? I feel like I’m listening to a developer stuck in 2002 talking about the latest graphics. Until these guys have an honest conversation with themselves and choose to fully update their sim, I doubt anybody will be using it in 5 years. In business, if you don’t adapt, you die. The writing is on the wall.

i've been an XP fan for a few years now, but the writing is on the wall for it (well, maybe the mobile version could struggle onward) if the current development pace continues... i'm honestly shocked that MSFS2024 is 3 weeks away and XP12 _still_ doesn't have motion vectors (TAA, DLSS, etc.) they simply cannot call XP12 a competitive product anymore and the gap is about to widen massively.