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Speed vs. deer reaction time it matters, with my 400 fps crossbow 2" cut 100 gr Swhacker, 400 gr tw arrow fast, flat and accurate, I am always getting a 2" exit wound even when I hit the shoulder blade, many deer down & quick, working good for me IMHO. -W. Liggett

Must have 10 to 12 percent wt.forward in arrow, You're fine

At 27, im a first year bow hunter. I’ve been shooting for the last 6 months and finally feel comfortable enough to try to tag one this year. Would you recommend either of these for a ladder stand? I know you said they were quiet but I was not sure if you meant it was quiet enough for rifle hunting. Another question is do you have any tips for masking my scent when I am in the woods for the early season?

If I'm recalling correctly, Roy Weatherby shot a warthog with a 460 weatherby and 500gr solid on an african safari. Even with over 7,000 ft lbs of kinetic energy, that bullet was likely a .458 entrance and .458 exit hole. I think that the warthog ran something like 400+ yds. He also shot a lot of game with the 257 wby and noted how quickly all of it died, and the size of the wounds. Things die from a lack of oxygenated blood flow to the brain. The more blood and oxygen you take away quickly, the faster the animal dies. Therefore we should place our priorities on hitting areas that will effectively cause this, and do so with something that will do as much damage to a specific, targeted bodily system as possible within reason. With rifles you can choose whether to affect the nervous system or the cardiorespiratory system, with archery we're pretty much stuck with the latter. I know how much ranch fairy talks about shooting the 3" cluster of valves and blood vessels that sit in the "Vital V", but any shot that collapses the lungs will cause a rapid loss in oxygenated blood flow. Shots to this "vital v" area only induce a higher chance of hitting the larger bones in the front part of a deer, which is why the people preaching for these shots talk so much about little single bevel heads and heavy arrows. If our end goal is to dispatch game as quickly as possible, the focus should be on putting a shot as close as possible to the targeted area, and using a projectile that does the most damage to this area. This already starts to rule out the extremely heavy and light arrows, as heavier arrows are less forgiving when it comes to unknown external ballistics. Moving animals, unknown ranges, winds, and to an extend even the shooting of the bow. Lighter arrows may be more forgiving on the shot, but can lack penetration, especially if using larger broadheads. This can be countered with smaller heads, but doing so reduced tissue damage and extends the time to death for the animal. At the end of the day a hole through the lungs will kill game, but if we weren't worried about doing so quickly we could just shoot field points, and have track jobs over 400yds. For the sake of the efficiency in ending a living creatures life, I can't think of any reason for the AVERAGE adult male archer (28-30" draw length 60-75lb draw weight" to not shoot an arrow between 450 and 550gr, between 265 and 300fps, with a broadhead of at least 1.5" of total cut

Great videos!! You covered a lot of great stuff. I appreciate your insight and how you guys deliver the information we hunters can relate to. Thanks guys.

They don’t drop because they “see it coming” Lol. They drop everyone that they spook. That’s how they load to take off fast. They are already on alert if they are looking at you….as soon as they hear the bow, they drop to launch

VINTAGE DUCK 🦆 CAMO WORKS BEST FOR DEER 🦌 VISION ... CAMO IS OVER HYPED BY HUNTING INDUSTRY AND PROFITABLE AND CAMO MAY WORK FOR HUMAN VISION BUT NOT SO MUCH FOR DEER ! I CAN HUNT IN BROWN CARHART SUIT OR BROWN / GREEN PANTS AND A FLANNEL SHIRT... CAMO IS MORE FOR THE HUNTERS THAN THE DEER !

Great video! Looking forward to part two of this arrow discussion

NOPE Il pass lol . My dumbass would snag that when a deer walks up and my heart is beating out my chest

Nice! I’m ready for the season! First week of September here in Ky. I’m not going to start hunting hard until first week of October. Will still be scouting in September mostly . I did draw an extra buck tag for a bow only quota hunt Nov-8th and 9th on Fort Knox. Pretty excited about that. Good luck guys!

Though I do believe that the heavier arrow is more beneficial for lethality, I think that most hunters would be far better served by shooting their bow more. Shooting all year instead of a week before season. And yes the overwhelming majority do just that. I have been bow hunting since the early 80's and have seen it time and time again. Arrow talk is fun and sometimes educational but it will never trump practice and familiarity with your equipment and knowing its and your limitations.

Hi guys 😊 AC here 🏹 Great job as always ❤

Arrow weight IS mass in the momemtum equation, not another factor...the intro made it sound like it was a different factor. Love the video otherwise, especially as someone with a 25" DL. Thanks Mike

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Back when I was shooting a PSE Carrera with a overdraw rest at 70lbs with a 30in DL, I was all about speed. My arrow weight back then was about 365gr tipped with a NAP Spitfires 3 blade. I had no clue on how to tune a bow back then and couldn't get a fixed blade to fly. Information was pretty lacking back in those days and I was in my mind cheating by using the spit fires. The fisrt deer I shot with those arrows I lost due to lack of penetration. The arrow pretty much stopped dead. I ended up schooling myself by driving 2 hrs to the nearest bow dealer and finding out why my arrow stop dead. It was then I was shown how to tune my bow and my arrows to my bow. Also my arrows were to light and the spitfires were expending all its energy when it first hit the deer. I am a much better archery hunter now because of my mistake that day. I am still a speed guy at heart and shooting an Xpedite NXT with 450gr arrows at 312fps tipped with a single bevel broad head. I have nothing but complete pass throughs whether i hit a shoulder blade or ribs. Thanks for the great videos and keep them coming.

First off,thank you for your service sir! Second, you are spot on! I've never shot over a 425+/- grain arrow and I've killed many whitetails and hogs. Can only remember a few that were not complete pass thru's. Most of my bows shot between 280-323 fps. People kill elk with mid 400 grain arrows alot. If youre lobbing spears at critters,you better be real close, especially witetail. Great video with lots of good info! Ready for the next one!

Quite a bit to unpack here... you threw out a bunch of different slug-feet v kE numbers and used several comparisons that need some validation. Where did you get your numbers for the amount of kE for taking deer? I would appreciate you citing a source. I have data from 7 western states game offices to share when I receive your citation of sources. You've compared bullet caliber to being equivalent to the arrow, which is incorrect. The "caliber" of the bow is the bow's specs - draw length and draw weight, whereas the arrow equates to the bullet - the projectile. You then use an age-old argument of throwing a "toothpick" at your buddy, versus throwing a Bowie knife at him. This comparison is extremely disingenuous and inaccurate. A toothpick weighs 0.01 grams, while a Bowie knife weighs 425grams, the equivalent of shooting a bullet weighing 50grains versus one that weighs 5,000 grains. If you can, find me a caliber of civilian firearm that can shoot both and tell me how that turns out. You've made a comparison that equates to shooting an arrow that weighs 4.5 grains to one weighing 450 grains. Pretty far stretch there by any means. I am quite certain that if you took off 25% of the total weight of the Bowie knife in your comparison by removing part of the wooden handle, and then threw that same sharp knife at your buddy, he'd be at least equally harmed, if not more by the lighter knife that is now travelling faster at his head. I can't weight for you to post that video 🤔

Based on my own experience, it matters. Back in 2007, I was slinging 458 grains of TAW with a 100 grain Montec. Had a doe at 20 quartering towards, put it on her shoulder because that is where her heart and front of lungs lined up and let it fly. When it hit, there was the loudest THWACK I ever heard. The arrow just stopped in her shoulder dead in its tracks. I watched her limp 200 yards uphill back to the tree line. I did my due diligence tracking her that night and again next morning. She had survived and I said never again. I grew up shooting and hunting trad because my father is a bowyer and had only a few years prior got into compounds. So, from then on I started building my compound arrows like my trad arrow, which is ten grains of arrow for every one pound of draw weight with at least 20% FOC and single bevel broadhead. Now, no matter the angle, no matter the size of the whitetail, and no matter what bones are in the way of the vitals, nothing stops my arrows. For those compound hunters who are hung up on speed, if trad guys can get it done with bow speeds as low as 140 fps, then I don't know what your problem is.

Finally someone using their head… there have been calculators online for a very long time, anyone taking a few minutes in an attempt to balance out all your numbers reveals an obvious answer. A balanced build will increase effectiveness across the board… an imbalanced build can top the charts on specific numbers but at the detriment of other numbers. Why do people insist on compromising in the opposite ends.. build a proper arrow and you find it can take down larger game animals with less draw weight and still have decent trajectory even at range.

This isn't that big of a deal with a compound shooting 240+ fps. A 400g arrow through a high speed compound will blow through deer like a 600g arrow using the same head. Step into the recurve/longbow world of very slow bows shooting 140-160fps and thats where the heavy arrow weighs Supreme. Hunting with a recurve will teach you everything you need to know about " heavy vs light " arrows. This isnt rocket science !!!

Light arrows decelerate faster than heavier arrows. Shot the heaviest arrow you can with the trajectory you like out to ethical hunting distances for you. Know your max effective range as the gentlemen said.

Well your comparison between rifle round weight and arrow weight are just misleading at best. A rifle is firing a projectile at an extremely fast speed regardless of the weight of the bullet. There is not rifle not capable of full penetration of an animal. The reason heavier rounds are better is due to energy transfer into the animal. The heavier the round the more energy you are dumping into the animal, and normally you're shooting some kind of bullet that deforms and increases in surface area upon impact. But we're not killing deer using energy transfer with a bow, we're killing deer by cutting through their vital organs and causing as much mass hemorrhaging as possible. In that case we're discussing penetration and broadhead size. The best case scenario would be if you could shoot an extremely fast arrow with an extremely large blade accurately and get full passthroughs. That is what would make a bow and arrow the most deadly. Of course that's not possible in reality because there are trade-offs, mostly being between speed and penetration. It really doesn't make any sense to shoot an extremely heavy arrow very slowly in reality. Again we don't care about energy transfer, we care about penetration. The only reason you're saying to shoot a heavier arrow anyway is because you believe it will drive through the animal better, which may be true, but at what cost, and how much better? You're going to shoot a 605 grain arrow at 213 feet per second because you think that gives you optimum penetration, but my bow shooting a 365grain arrow at 315fps with a fixed blade on the front of it zips through anything. So if we can achieve full passthrough with a lighter arrow moving much faster, there legitimately is no reason to shoot a slower moving arrow. You get more deviation in your yardages, you give the animal more time to react, and you truly are not gaining any substantial advantage in penetration.

Great video! I took notes! 🤓

Well said! Thanks for the informative video.

Its an arow bud chill out haha no one cares if u r an engineer no need to get mad about people openions even know he is right

Nice to hear someone level headed on arrow weight.

Perfect arrow flight and shot selection will mean more than your arrow weight ever will for deer.

Thank you for your service! I love the videos! Keep them coming! Super easy to follow

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Logic is an outstanding ! 😂 ❤ 🏹🦌🏹🦌🏹🦌🏹🦌

Being a ballistics expert does not open your mind as being an engineer, that's why you don't even know where to start with your explanation, your mind is all convoluted, you are a very narrow minded soldier.

Great information and thank goodness there is someone else using common sense!!!

What tree seat & what blind are we talking about ?

You need that "wapp"

Have you taken a look at the Stu Miller dynamic spine calculator? 3 Rivers has an updated version of it up and running on their website as well if you don't want to mess with spreadsheets or just have a quick look. You can also find older versions to download and play with in excel, they just have fewer bow and arrow models preloaded in. He's mostly concerned with traditional bows, but from the inputs it can give you an estimated FPS, FOC, ft-lbs of KE, arrow weight, and a dynamic spine value so that tuning takes as little time and gear as possible. I tried using your calculator, but being a trad archer, I don't have an IBO speed! Best I could do is run it thru a chronograph and reverse engineer to an IBO, but given I'm not that good at calculus, I'm not sure any output I'd get would have much validity... Please keep up the good work!

The heavier the weight, the more speed the arrow carries at the end of the fight. A light arrow slows down a lot more by drag down range.

Well, done, I have been building my arrows for years and you are spot on. Keep up the good work.

A really great camo discussion… as a young hunter I stood silently against a hedgerow in blue jeans and a camo jacket as three bucks passed within 15 yards of me until they winded me. While standing there I was thinking to myself, “these writers have no idea what they are talking about”. Fast forward 10+ years and I realized the waist deep grasses I was standing in hid the blue jeans and my jacket matched what could be seen. With time we all learn a lot. I don’t have 5 or 6 deer I can ask “Does this camo make me look like anything scary?” Capturing deer’s reactions seems to be the only way we can estimate that response. Thanks to the researchers that did the work instead of our trial and error way (6-8 weeks of the year) that takes many seasons to start to figure things out. Really great discussion… still learning at 68…

Ground hunting is a lost art and its very effective and efficient if you play your cards right...

I really like your explanation from an armorer’s POV. I’m an engineer by trade so all this formula based analysis interests me, so I went to your website and tried out your calculator. Impressive, but limited… I chronographed my longbow (45 lbs/28”) when I set it up and there is no input for fps. I was able to adjust the IBO speed until the resulting fps match my actual measured fps. I as hoping your calculator would run the different possible arrow weights and calculate a projected fps and help me find the optimum arrow weight and fps for my setup. Keep up the good work kind sir and thank you for sharing your knowledge. If you would like to evaluate/use it let me know.

Just found your channel.. love the presentation style… I am active duty USAF and your whiteboard brief on thermals mirrors the board briefs we do for mission planning. I grew up rifle hunting in north central PA with family and now that I am older I am trying to take it to the next level and bow hunt in deeper, more remote locations. I have leave planned in late October to bow hunt for bucks and also utilize the military weekend to take a doe with a rifle in a large public tract of land in Potter County. Your clear, concise videos are just what I was looking for to prepare myself to make an informed plan of attack. I prefer your presentation style over many other creators. Thank you and keep it up!

Thank you for your service brother! 🫡 im glad to hear you say “figure out your optimal arrow weight” sad to say but I’m tired of hearing about people just throwing 700 grains down range without actually understanding what they’re doing and how it affects your overall performance. Great video!

Dont pull the tension break while its under tension...Roger that. With that level of explanation perhaps you should be warning folks for a whole bunch of other dangers. Don't jump out of a plane without a parachute for instance! Or Don't chew on rocks, they will break your teeth!

BLESS YOUR HEART MAN ! If you save one life or injury brother! GOD BESS!!!

Another great video gents. I have a neighbor who started bow hunting last year. He’s a ground hunter. It would be cool to see Dan’s set up on the ground.

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How does the Asio gear sherpa lined stuff compare to the sitka stratus? In your opinion. I think you've reviewed both. Thanks!

Great review as usual. Quick question, where did you get the T-shirt you are wearing

New bow hunter here. Love your guys content. Been listening to it while driving around all day at my sales job. You guys are down to earth and don’t try to turn hunting into a seal team 6 mission like some RUclips channels. Good luck this season!

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