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This should be called more and more dangerous ways to use a figure 8

i suspect that none of the other experts thought of the last one because normally you'd walk up to an abseil rope and attach in to it. Who would think of de-rigging it to thread the device. You could also repeatedly thread the end through the device to create multiple wraps around the big ring of the Fig8.

Muchas maneras de como NO usar el "8" y los mosquetones

munter hitch is terrible . rope on rope friction is a no no

I like gear minimalism. I have a f8. There are many descend options out there. Munter hitch has been just fine for under 100 feet. Tree climber. 🌳 ❤

If your kit is heat up like a cigarette, maybe change your plan.

Do you prefer a figure 8 to other devices? So many lighter options.

People trying to to come up with methods shouldn’t exist

Muchas maneras incorrectas de usar el equipo

Thank you

Ces méthodes vrillent énormément les cordes! A user avec précaution! Merci à la chaine!

any tricks for using a set of tiny rings to adjust and lock off amsteel hammock suspension?

In the standard mode I have read the rope can slip upwards and cause a hitch. any experience with this?

Ill stick to standard method ,large radius,less wear on rope.

The munter hitch looks like it puts unnecessary wear on the rope with it rubbing like that.

I see you havent posted in roughly a year or so?! I genuinly hope none of your half cocked open your life support during descent and sketchy side loading techniques failed you my brother!!! I commend your fearlessness, creative spirit and originality! But you sir... Must have much more testicular fortitude than I with all that side loading and life support opening stuff!! Good video still!! Cheers!!!

The video is very interesting, but with this format you use about one third of the available video area and some time we can not see what are you doing with the descender.

awesome demonstration !

I appreciate it man mine a fuckin lemon and keeps breaking down and one of my buddies was like well you got the spot might at well use it and come to find out the bumper just click baits you, but this helps because I thought it was a waste of money.

Super simple to follow. Thanks dude!

Now i have 9-10 choices more to do with my figure 8, however i have to test these mothods by myself about friction levels before use in real situation, and thank you very much for this informative video.

Your inventions seem unsafe or useless to me. You are sideloading your biners and If you unload the system and then load it again, elements can shift and the non-locking gates could just take you off the rope. Opening your locking carabiner in flight and then changing the brake direction is not good either. Now you need to remember to do something else. Rappel on a munter is for emergencies like if you lose your 8. You endanger your viewers. Please stop.

What a load of made up, what I call it, bollox

Excellent demonstration! I’m a novice looking to just mess around in the back yard tree, climbing up and down. At 64, I want to minimize screwing up, and falling.😂😂😂😂Thank you! I was taught how to rescue rappel with the fire dept., however that was minimal training and we only used carabiners. I just didn’t remember exactly how it looped without accidentally unscrewing the carabiner and dropping like a rock. I plan on practicing just a few feet off the ground until I’m comfortable that I know what I’m doing. Thanks again!!

Thank you for sharing these various ways of setting up the figure 8 with your rope. I’ve made a small repelling set up to include uncertain backpacking trips into the woods. Better to have, and not need that not to have and find myself in a situation needing it. Cheers🎉

I am surprise to see that you put the rope by thé bottom of thé 8 ...by thisnway you do noté avoid thélark knot if thé rope touchbthebroc 😮

as soon as he recomended opening the carabiner under load, i knew he was mostly a hobbist. take what you hear with a grain of salt. never even unlock your gate under load, of course unless youd like to take the fast way down.

Hi. Has anyone actually rappelled with a single rope carabiner wrap before? I'm curious to hear about it.

Nice... well done..!😊

I don't like to be the dick in the comments section but this is sketchy and you should not take this guy's advice. The techniques in this video violate many safety principles with no benefit. Point number one: it's always best to have a locking carabiner between you and death, and there's really no reason you shouldn't. Don't use a non locker as part of your system. Always tie knots in the ends of your ropes to close the system. Lastly, creativity is great and all, but setting up a rappel shouldn't be creative. It should be as consistent as possible and once you've found something that works well for you, stick with it. Do it that way every time. Only change it under special circumstances such as adding more friction when using a very thin rope or rappelling with a heavier load.

Can you do a munter hitch on a figure 8? Here's an opinion from a full time rope access professional. Listen, there is no "can you do this" there are only manufacturers recommended modes of usage (for any given device) and usage not recommended by manufacturer/ device not designed for given implementation. Then the question changes into "is it possible to use a device in this manner and will doing so kill you?" In the case of a munter, then the question is obviously "can you tie a munter hitch through a non-opening device?" The answer is clearly yes, but then this becomes a non-midline attachable device. So can you use a munter on an 8? I'd say "as long as it doesn't present failure modes that are likely to kill you, then the only apparent problem is it becomes non-midline attachable."

Carabiner break bar and the carabiner cross mode are side loading the biner

what kind of gloves are good for fast rappel? can it be done bare-handed?

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I think things like this are important. Not because a bicycle frame is a convenient friction device, or because this is practical at all, but because all the rote memorization and muscle memory in the world will fail you when THINKING will save your life. Keep that brain working. Work things out yourself and try them under safe conditions. When it is time to do or die, you'll be more capable.

Great video!

This guy really be out here just making modes up

Canyon CI-V rope work for this setup? Also, what rappel ring would you recommend? Thank you sir.

really great information. need to know stopper knots with that thing now.. thanks.

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double standard is what usually what I use for ballet

how do you get pass a knot if the figure 8 is stuck to the rope 💩

Like half of these are improper use, use the damn thing right rather than showing people techniques that can fail. Never open a carabineer while loading it, for starters!! C'mon, common sense please.

What maker of rappelling ring do you recommend? Strength in KN?

If you use 'canyon plus' mode but then clip the two carbiners into a third caribiner which attaches to the harness, this is good for people just learning to rappel. It puts everything in front of their line of sight (Make sure long hair is tied up!), and they are less likely to feed their hand through it! Good video, some techniques I'm going to try that I didn't know about after 42 years of climbing and teaching.

"This is probably the fastest way to rappel" Ya that's always been my problem, rappelling is just too slow...[sarcasm] Also, no s#!t, there's only 2 points of fiction, so I can imagine it's going to be "sporting"!

The reason people answer 'no' to the munter hitch question is that it goes without saying that any system should be detachable from the rope, e.g. when you reach an anchor. You can detach yourself from the 8 but you can't remove it from the rope, unless you have access to one of the ends. I'm not saying it doesn't have applications, of course, but it's a different category from all the other systems that can be attached and detached w/o accessing one of the ends. But overall it's an interesting video. People forget that climbing was a thing way before the invention of modern devices.

Nice video. Forgive the observation, but "cross carabiner mode" (5:05) looks dicey as hell. The figure-8 is cross-loading the *gate* of the carabiner alone (not cross loading the entire carabiner, which would at least give you the standard 7kn rating). If that gate joint pops, the rope leaves that rig altogether and you're dropping like a rock. Most of these are really cool, but that one gives me the willies.

Black Diamond instructions on the Super 8 seems to show method #2 ("Sport Mode") as one of the ways to die on this gear haha - am I seeing it wrong?