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Interesting topic on large vs shelf railroads. Your scale railroad build is epic and an amazing project to watch along with. I've been learning from your demonstrations and explanations. The scale of your effort is massively beyond my reach but your applied principles are very useful to a newbie like myself with a very limited modeling experience. Thanks for sharing. Regards.

Thanks for the detailed update. I love seeing the attention to perfection in track work. It will pay off.

Well said, Dennis.👍 Point taken. I love the thinking-out-loud process that you do. Rather than it being a waste of time, I see it as an interesting part of the creative process that informs and guides the final outcome, lifting it from ho-hum😑 to awesome😲(both the videos and the layout) Thank you for sharing. . . . . . . 🚂Lawrence

Great lesson Dennis about going down the rabbit hole... I'm building an On30 layout, that is 2 feet wide (almost like a shelf railway)but it's 22 feet long. I find very interesting and challenging on what does where to fit in. I almost what to create a second level with a switch back to get to the second level, but i dont know. guess time will tell.

I love your theory on the whole big vs small debate! I made a whole video about it myself and people mostly just completely mistook me saying "size doesn't matter" and saying small is terrible... But the message was really supposed to be "model within your means" model what you have time, money and space and motivation for.

Hey Dennis, love what you said about experts. Most probably don’t even have a model railroad or build anything. I really enjoy the journey you are on. I don’t mean to contradict myself but have you considered a cassette at the end of staging. It may enable you to turn a locomotive without having to pick it up? I personally don’t like to handle my stuff once it’s on the layout. Sorry if I overstepped.

This Video is Perfekt 😊😊

Thanks for the update, Dennis, and I appreciate your candor and enjoy coming along down the rabbit holes with you and seeing you solve them. I count you and Boomer among the dozen or more modelers that have influenced me and kept my interest moving ahead on my own layout. I have a shelf layout due to the limited available space that I have to build one, but I know if I had another room, there's be another room of model railroad. (Truth be told, I am envious of your space and your workshop space.) The large layout is a good dream, and I love seeing you following yours. "Experts" be damned, full steam ahead!

Very nice update, Dennis. Your era mimics the 1800’s, just like The transcontinental railroad was built in six years almost entirely by hand. Workers drove spikes into mountains, filled the holes with black powder, and blasted through the rock inch by inch. Handcarts moved the drift from cuts to fills. It’s definitely complicated like it was. 🤣😃😆. Ha Ha I do like watching the plans, the process , the building of your railroad. Keep up the awesome work. Have a great weekend. 😎👍🏼

Dennis, don't usually (read ever) comment on youtube videos, but your words about the 'experts' made me want to leave you some positive feedback. Lurking here for quite a while, and your videos and thoughtful processes are very informational as well as motivational. Keep it up, and never let the 'experts' or detractors get you down.

Dennis this really looks difficult but you made it look easy. Trying to combine the 2 gauge together will open up a bit more realizum. You really have my attention

Hey it's really coming along! I like watching you go down these rabbit holes. Not just because it's entertaining, but it's also helpful at times. One of those "learn from my mistakes" type deals. I also decided against doing a helix on my layout. I really wanted to connect the two decks because I have Rico right underneath Durango, so the helix would've allowed me to connect the RGS on the lower deck to the D&RG on the upper deck. But like you said, it's just not worth it.

Am I late?

Hi Dennis!! I'm really enjoying your build and how you are dealing with issues as they present themselves. A question for you...I know your building your own turnouts but where are you sourcing your dual guage track and is it ME or another manufacturer? I am planning a model railroad based on Salida, CO and the Monarch branch of the DRGW but I cannot find HO/HOn3 track anywhere. Thx in advance!!

Suggestion. Can't you put your switch motors on top and cover with little structures

Totally agree it's always about what's next? The key is try and not to become paralysed by analysis, sometimes you just have to get started.

Cool to see your family enjoying ops on the layout.

That was an adventure! Thanks for explaining what was going wrong and how you resolved it. Like you then, I know only slightly more than 0 about electronics at the moment. Cheers

Looks good Dennis. An interesting way to use both standard and narrow gauge together.

Looking great, Dennis! It's all little puzzles and challenges to figure out as you go, and then just building some amazing turnouts by hand. Kudos!

Hi Dennis. I would just like to compliment you on your craftsmanship building your turnouts. They come out better than anything you could buy and allow you a lot of flexibility. Not only do they work correctly but what stands out is the lack of wheel drop as engines and rolling stock goes through them. Kudos my friend.😃

First thing to remember (at 13:22) is not to leave your DC pack unattended. 🤣So, in our long tradition I've been carefully watching for any safety violations, but it appears that you have cleverly edited this video...maybe next time I'll catch something! 😄 You know I'm kinda concerned that you have those two dual gauge turnouts back to back. And one will be right under the benchwork inside a tunnel portal. It almost spells a place where disasters could happen and just be out of reach. I guess we need to see the next video and how you finalize that track portion... I'd also try to get as wide curves as possible on your standard gauge track, especially because it'll be hidden. Remember it's the HO (Hugely Oversized) scale that needs curves <------------- this big ---------->

Howdy Dennis! I'm wondering. (uh oh🤔) You could eliminate the turnout by the turntable and just curve the tracks into the turntable and also make the staging tracks longer, if your turntable has a retractable tapered pin on the end of the table, that you engage into a tooling bushing at each rotary position (for perfect, repeatable track alignment). Those D-G turnouts are gorgeous🤗 by the way! . . . . . . 🚂Lawrence . . . . . .

That’s The Thing About Model Railroading what to Do and How to Do It this is a Passion and Pride thing Always Remember that. When Done it’s Gonna Be Awsome.

Hi Dennis, I’m not sure how good you are at rerailing rollingstock but as you might be aware a turntable is one of the most common places to derail a train. Now combine that with low clearances for Hell’s Gate, you might find yourself in a pickle uncoupling and retailing trains on the SG runaround. Food for thought but you’ll need clearance at least to get your hand in there if it’s a manual turntable.

Where’d you get that Gray NG Throwbar?

Another great video. Thanks for sharing. Love the hand laid turnouts. And the music is great too.

Love the mudhens.

You might consider remote mounts for the tortoise machines under Hells Gate. That would allow you to avoid interference between the two levels. Then the tortoise would be offset away from the lower tracks.

Some nice progress here. It's interesting that you are considering 18" curves. I'm modelling N scale and consider 18" radius too tight. I am, however, not doing narrow gauge. We visited MOTAT a couple of days ago. It is a museum in Auckland. They have a pretty good collection of trams. Those things can negotiate some wicked curves!

Hi, this is all fascinating to me, I started watching Boomer for his scenery work and ended watching the entirety of his River Road Vlogs. I'm coming from a Wargaming background, hence the scenery interest, and I've certainly learnt a lot from Boomer! However I feel more drawn towards the Steam/American West, even though I'm in the UK, just appeals more to me than modern trains do. I've heard Boomer mention you a few times when I've watched the Second Section Podcasts (need to watch more of those too), so when your video popped up in my feed I thought I'd take a look. I love watching how you guys build things and following the progress from start to finish. The one thing that does confuse me is this "same scale but different size" thing. Were the actual Prototypes different sizes in real life too? This dual track is also amazing, A lot of things would need to alter in my physical environment before I could think about doing a Layout, leaning towards a Shelf Layout, as the workshop isn't fit enough to work in let alone run trains. In the mean time I guess I'll be working my way through the Otter Creek videos 😂. I've also found a local Model Railway Club, which I hope to visit soon. Apologies for the length of this comment! Cheers, Mick

Nice update. I must have missed the reason why the standard gauge is on plywood and the narrow gauge is on spline. Can you explain in next video? Great progress. Thanks for sharing!!

WOW, Brave man using a Brass engine for testing. I would have used an old Tyco or maybe a Bachmann in case it goes over the edge.

Great video Dennis, sorry I missed the premier, got a little at work tonight. I didn’t realize the size difference between HOn30 and HO standard was. The new scene with those switches are going to look awesome. Can’t wait to see the finished product. Thanks for sharing!

You are sharing a virtual Library of information and ideas in your videos. Thank you.

So far that is looking good. I can tell you that I've had a couple of points pop off the throw-bar as well and mine aren't narrow gauge. - Jason

Very Nice Dennis.🤗❤ She's a Beauty! . . . . 🚂Lawrence

Everything you’ve made, works, Dennis. 😁👍🏼

Are you sure you want to eliminate part of the turnout? It's going to limit operations or expansion in the future. It's your call, but I would reconsider this.

Thanks for the info Dennis Great idea on the turnout play list Should be helpful for a lot of modelers Keep up the great work

You broke your wand again ?🙃

Looking good Dennis.

Interesting 🤔

Indeed, it is very interesting that you run a dual gauge on your model. The finished turnout looks amazing.

Great build of a great kit. Thank You Love Campbell kits. Unfortunately not too many builds on RUclips for novices to learn from . Hope you do more!!!

Love it man! The music was spot on too. It's so hard to do a op session video short. Mine will be 30mins lol can't wait for more. Watched the whole thing!

Dennis, is the peninsula you originally planned as roaring fork built already? Great job on this section of benchwork.

Hi Dennis, I’m sure that you built your benchwork square and the wall is forcing the problems at the front, so I think the easiest and most practical way to fix it is to shim the back where it meets the wall. The other issue could be resolved by joining the two types of track before it goes under the top. I’m sure that you will figure it out. The only suggestion you ever took of mine was the numbering of the towns to number the trains, so we know it will be thought through by you and you will come up with the perfect solution. I’m really enjoying your build and look forward to what you decide.

Hey Dennis things are looking good. It would be nice if you did something to run your standard HO otherwise what would you do with them ?

if the dual gauge start to go downhill just after the timesaver could it duck under the narrow gauge before getting to the far side of hell gate? guess it would be close but you at least don't need room for double stack containers. have the narrow gauge on a embankment and the dual gauge in front with the terrain sloping down could look nice