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I think 3 things must change to make game both feel and play better. 1 - TTK - it’s not about too short or too long. It’s about how many “cheats” to not get properly damaged. Damage reductions, damage caps, survivability mostly based on HP than RA. This means that elites facetank rather then outgun. This is why they can yolo push, this is why they can face check instead of using recon units/abilities, this is why elite blob is so strong - too hard to kill. If it is more like CoH 2 - same HP but different RA - elites STILL survive more against mainliners BUT when something like Brumbar shows up Ranger will have to be more careful instead of just gun it down with srinting+bazooka+that 3 CP passive buff for heavy weapons. Same goes for tanks - survivability is mostly HP. That is why P4 can ignore crusader to an extend - crusader simply dies too fast to capitalize on it’s speed against “heavier” mediums. That’s why Grant is THAT oppressive - just too much HP instead of bouncing shots. Hard counters just don’t hard counter fast enough due to “artificial” survivability of tanks. Funny thing is - this is EXACTLY why LV spam is too strong. Lelic nerfed them but instead should have buffed mediums and heavies armor and nerf HP. Here is why - LVs are spammed and you roll out medium to counter them. But they win cuz they have huge DPS that mediums cannot counter since their armor is too thin for that but not enough damage to kill something. If armor is buffed, LVs can only scratch or should risk to dive behind to actually kill. But since HP is lower - medium against medium is not effected. Same goes for heavies against mediums, that’s why AT guns should also get some buff. This will also make sure that AT rifles that were almost useless against tanks will have decent chance against LVs (they are supposed to counter) but not snowball against mediums (especially lighter one like crusader or P3). 2 - MP cheats, that has to go, it just multiplies the strength of elites and makes USF THAT strong in 1v1. Remove MP cheats and suddenly USF is waaaay weaker. Same goes for grens merge - unlike CoH 2 there is no downside. Make green model still be green model just shoot better and tadaaaa - no more unkillable 3 Stoss/Pgrens due to a gren squad behind them. 3 - loiters and other BS that makes CoH 3 be more like C&C. It is strong enough to flip the battle just like in CoH 2 BUT everything else is less lethal so they feel stronger. With faster VP drain and longer TTK (compared to CoH2) they HAD to make SOMETHING to allow a comeback but unfortunately - that tool is too strong, eapecially in team games. Add there more “gamey” abilities like “X type of unit moves faster and ignore Y mechanic designed to counter it” (yes, designate assault position for USF and speed boost with engine crit ignore for DAK, I am looking at you). Edit: after this we can take a look on DAK and USF rework. USF needs base arty option to compensate for lack of MP cheats and nerf of rangers and DAK should have economy and armory reworked. Whole idea of DAK is to be, quoting relic, “bunch of rag rats scavenging for resources”. How to do it? Ez - swap MP starvation for FUEL. This way there is real incentive to actually scavenge vehicles rather than spam them from HQ - increase both fuel income and price but reduce MP income from scavenging but reduce price from buildings. Also armory cost less in MP but has a fuel price on top of removing passive repair and HP buffs (since we need HP as per section 1) Now DAK HAS to scavenge for fuel. Now DAK has to be played as it was designed from the start. P.S. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want 1:1 copy of CoH 2, it had it’s BS that won’t be missed (JLI, officer, self spotting KT, sniper mortar, Guard Motor etc). Yet, I urge fanboys with duckling syndrome to accept what CoH 2 did better than 1 and don’t turn 3 into CoH 2 “alternative version for those who can’t comprehend the very idea of innovation”

Balance aside, usf feels really boring right now imo. Their economy and battlegroups encourage spammy builds and it often feels like you are being punished if you want to have a diverse roster. I hate that they removed the canister shells upgrade for Sherman’s too. It was a very fun ability to use and their reasoning that ‘players didn’t understand the upgrade so we removed it’ was stupid. I hope that the heavy bgs bring it back in some way.

Let them change the graphics to be more realistic instead of being like world conquer mobile game.

As DAK I'll save all my fuel and rush to Stug D, using 250s to budget heal. The Stug D punishes heavy MG builds and can actually take a few volleys of bazookas, unlike the FlakVierling (which I tend to lose really quickly cause I'm bad).

The only units that won were the long range infanty squads that got the accuracy boost from the last balance overhaul. Why are long range infantry important? They do damage at all ranges. The thing is long range accuracy scales up to closer ranges. Medium range combat units are suppose to be close range resistant with ether more HP or closer range accuracy. The problem about long range is they are effective at all ranges, and if you add more HP to them they become up-tiered over their comparables. Axis don't have Tier 1 close range staying power because of the Allied long range and T1 support advantage. But that also means medium range units can also be combat ineffective with only a 33-45% long range hit accuracy over 50-60%. A difference of two shots that miss per volley is still more than the differnce between HP pools of the same tier. The problem scince the game's release is the lack of close range damage output from close range squads in order to outmanuver or flank long range squads and weapon teams, or giving them an evasion buff because they literilly need to stand next to an enemy to hit them. The Wespe did the least damage as an artillery unit and so did the 105/28 Field Howitzer. The problem about Nerfing the range of Axis artillery is the fact Allied stationary heavy artillery got a range and shells per salvo buffs before the 105/28 Field Howitzer got it's lack of damage fixed. A few BL 5.5's can easily level an Axis base, and only for 40 fuel each. The Axis always had artillery that was either innefective or outclassed for their purpose. Even the Bison SPG easter egg in the North African Operation campain had less damage and range than a 75/18 Assault Gun barrage ability, and it had the same gun size as a Sturmpanzer IV. The M1919 squad loses it's defensive bonus inside structures, so the only vet choice is the Button to resist against light vehicles and tanks that get caught in the AT net. The M1919 setup defense buff effectivelly replaces the Rifleman Squad in long range infantry combat and forces the opposition to make mortars to waste manpower on. If you notice there was also a universial suppression buff, so that means if one unit gets supressed, pretty much half the screen gets supressed by one machinegun. The USF Scout squads have high long range accuracy and adding a unit will make them stronger against most axis mainline infantry squads thanks to Engineers already acting as close range tanks against Axis long range. Also Axis autocannon vehicles are still shovelware units.

To CoH 1 lol

Hola, PAX here. While i agree that perhaps an hp nerf would be good for scouts preventing them from being too oppressive, I disagree with your proposed changes. 1. I think converting scouts to paths would effectively kill them as a unit because no one will want to pay extra mp for a better scout, when they could just get a rifleman instead and 2. A big draw to paths/arty spotter choice is the 4th model you get and the 3xtra DPS you get from that. Both these changes IMO would make the other choices (ammo depot in particular) much more appealing relegating these options to purely meme builds.

Agree, 4v4 is unplayable as allies. Jager + Vespa is too Meta. And in 1 v1, the US MG plus zookas solve all vehicle and infantry problems

great suggestions! thanks

Nice video! About a difficult topic with humor😄 Good job

Shark love your vids , but you only complained from USF standpoint, while USF is getting most wins at 56%. Can you also address DAK who is getting the lowest wins at 44%. They seem to be in more troubled with 1.9 patch.

my man Shark spitting out stone cold facts <3

Normally the 1v1 and 2v2 strategies don't work as well in bigger team games, vise versa.

Personally I have more than 1000 hours in COH2 and some time ago I migrated to COH3. I usually only play team games... 3v3 or 4v4... and unfortunately lately I find it unplayable. Team games are played only with artillery and off map attacks. There are way too many doctrinal alternatives with different bombardments, planes, etc... and they are available too often way or too cheap... it has become terribly boring for me.

What not so many people are talking about right now, that I find pretty broken, is the match matching system. It happens much to often for in one team all players to be lower ranked as opposed to the other. Most of my games are right now in extremes: we are winning really easy, or we are losing really bad. About team games balance, Stuka is really broken. There should be no arty in the game, that should be able to instant kill squads... Not without warning smoke at least. It influence the game to much at the moment. If the allies are not building some sacrificial fast tanks to dive the axis arty, the allies don't stand a chance... This is why playing with heavy tanks as allies is not possible... The axis just goes for AT and mass arty...

Finally some Balance talk! 🔥

Really good video. Agree, it’s very hard to balance 1v1 vs team games but hopefully next patch fixes a few things, but we all know it will then just break others haha. My biggest concern at the min is the new battle groups bringing heavy tanks and late game axis dominance from them. On a brighter note, for the first time ever, I got an in game message from relic saying they have taken action against someone I reported - I don’t know what that is, but any action against toxic players is welcome, and a nice change over the total silence on the issue I’ve seen until now

USF is literally the most OP Faction out there wtf are you saying? Whizzbang is OP, i'm seeing bazooka squads being spammed with mg for an easy win. I just had a match up where an USF player had 5 bazooka squads and 2 MG units and steamrolled me. Even my two brummbars got owned. This fcking game is so broken aand full of cheese its so sad!!!!!

balance is utter shit. Allie are way too OP. Axis players are full of idiots that dont know how to play with eachother. Blob spam is still idiotic. USF is THE MOST OP right now with airborne BG and rangers. Bazooka squad is massively OP. WHY is there still no nerf for bazooka squads???? the vehicles i lost to them is countless... Bruhh please they have too much range and accuary ive had trhis with this shit broken stuff

The more videos I watch from different people the more I realize how broken arti feels. When it's just constant non stop..that's not a fun game.

You nailed it. And THANK YOU for specifying the balance differences between team games and 1v1s

mmr on coh 3: casual guy 900 elo joins the 4v4 match vs... 2000 elo guys on team with discord 🤯🤯

when will they fucking balance the dingo

there are deep, deep design flaws in coh2 that make balance needlessly difficult and complicated.

Coh1 better than coh3

I just report everyone as map hacking.

Worst part of balance is the US get no way to deal with blobbers. Wizzbang is garbage. If your unlucky enough to get a 4 US vs 4 Dak you auto loose to the Dak no brain blobs and US can’t use arty or anything to smash them.

This was great!

COH3 is much better now. It’s slowly getting there. I would argue at a faster rate than COH2. We all remember how that was a launch and for like the first two years!

as US i always feel like im always reacting

all the accuracy increase has done is encourage path finder or jager spam. It changed nothing

I think its important to not LV speed at vet is also very poor this patch, stuart and greyhound are barely faster than p3 even fully vetted

TBH they need to limit artillery units to 1-2 per player. Artillery spam has been a major issue in previous COH titles. I also think theres nothing you can do against early Dingo spam. There is no german unit that can destroy them early and if you up against 2 players that each get 2 dingos early you just get stomped.

Great vid shark, also want to see one of your gameplays 🥸

Hey Shark! I hate the meme build as much as you do but I feel you casted this and kept mentioning how DAK was "barely holding on" while they pretty much maintained a k/d throughout the game that was between 2-3:1. DAK and especially espionage bg has so much staying power with just a FLAK truck and an AT-gun that it's insane. And you can take on anything they throw at you head on with very little issue. In part you have vehicles that impart bonuses on inf, then another special one that makes them terminators for 7 seconds out of ambush. Your flak truck deals AOE supression and negates any planes on the ENTIRE map. It's a wipe machine on retreating units so beyond that small unit comp US (especially) can do very very little. By the time any tanks arrive there is a buffed burn damage BIG FLAK and that's all she wrote for anything on wheels or tracks. In combination with a small AT-gun and snares nothing escapes its range and burn damage. The issue with the memey build of US MG's is that they can hold some territory and its massively lame to just stall for E8's but that really plays into the DAK-hands because of everything above. DAK stacks too many modifiers becoming a broken faction if you can make it past the 12-15 minute mark. You either win by the first two engagements or fall to their snowball because if the burn damage and FLAK don't take out your tank then the Stuka will. Their peak unit comp is basically 60-70 pop-cap and there is no real reason to get any more units before the tiger hits. But as you can see the k/d is massively in DAKs favor that they were never losing this, they were perhaps just not good at prioritizing capping up VPs instead of resource points. Look, I'm not a DAK hater and try to play equally across factions. I'm very poor with DAK but playing them is a nightmare if you haven't closed out the game before that "late game" mark. Also. You basically have to put down at least 2 big mines on your retreat paths and bait the flak there. That's a US players only hope.

What I find amusing is while the game is generally balanced around 1v1, if you look at the stats, the most popular mode is actually 4v4

Orchid Spider unfortunately from a balance perspective was a failure, I think it overall made every mode less balanced and I feel the vet changes while it definitely makes the game feel different was too ambitious to do in this patch with all of the other changes.

Stuka zu fuss is just broken right now. Slowly we are getting arty fest from coh2

I think that super high armor is an even worse game mechanic than damage reduction. Balance issues aside, having the best AT you can get bounce shell after shell because of random luck results in frustrating gameplay.

You can simply calibrate to spammed units via just giving 3 or more infantry squads to negative buff to low suppression but more recieved accuracy to faster model drop with units aprox medıum or more range to each other. Not to nerf individual units performance the reason of gren bleeds lıke yourself explained... Game needs General game balance like this or no auto attack mortars or mortars getting aoe increase to suppressed units etc...

Loving it.

I don't know if these issues will ever be solved without really sacrificing teams games vs 1 v 1 games. The gameplay flow for teams, even if it is a 2v2 compared to a 1v1, is drastically different. Relic is keeps trying half measures that make units that are subpar in 1 v 1, a tiny bit better to avoid ruining team games but is still not nearly enough to make them usable. Or they finally give in and try to make an underplayed unit in 1 v 1 actually viable and cost effective in that mode and it just throws team games off kilter. I don't have an answer but I have never seen them actually make it work since CoH 1. I am doubtful if they ever will.

If anything's to happen, the dev need to get rid of their mentality of 'Allies are stronger early game while Axis will be outright stronger at late game.' As long as that is their go-to design, they're just gonna make allies players finding rush-stomping early game methods 'cause having a limited time advantage while the other side can wait indefinitely with just 1 point left while holding all cap points is not an experience anyone would enjoy. (Unless you're a Relic employee, I guess?) So yeah, they really need to keep the different margin more under control and let player's mistakes on both side be the key factor, not just because they designed one side to be outright better at that moment in time. And no, I don't want a symmetically balanced game, that's absolutely boring, but 'losing because I couldn't reach the power spike' or 'can't beat them before their critical mass power spike' aren't that much better for me neither.

Great video sharky. Love all the bullet points.

It is what it is until the Anniversary Patch gives us completely different balance issues with the 4 new BGs. With their limited resources I'm fine if they want to try (and fail) to balance 2.0 before launch instead of pumping out more hotfixes for 1.9. There won't be any new content for a while once 2.0 drops so they can focus on balancing out the game in its post 2.0 state rather than a pre 2.0 state.

Definitely good advice to play with all factions. I normally play Brits 2v2/3v3/4v4 and have been struggling in this patch, started playing relaxis and have stomped with friends. I will say ive found the best way to win with Allies is with much more micro, at my lower level ELO it is so much harder. Axis I feel it is much easier to build a defensive line then hold on till you get vehicles out.

Please don’t forget the Stuka also got the BS vet 1 extra barrage with no shared cooldown. Don’t let them leave the Stuka out the balance. Both are Toxic as fuck in 3v3 and above.

“I just want an MG” Relic - “Did you say Dreadnought?”

Good points. I was a decent coh2 player and altough i now like coh3 in general more, it feels abilities, perks/upgrades are much more important and sometimes kinda unfair. Just make team weapons kinda the same for all factions for example. Also, a sniper was waaay bigger in coh2, now i see no player use them which is a pitty.

I like the ideas for the scout changes! I could see that working well. And it wouldn't snowball to lead to massive changes in play style across the gamemodes Relic has their work cut out for them, it's almost impossible to balance coh with 4 factions 4 Battlegroups each (about to be more) and then 4 gamemodes😂 if they could afford to do it, more frequent balance updates would help. But the situation they're in makes that difficult.