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More static combat res for infantry and some charge resistance if charged in the front arc and ranked up enough would do a lot

I run a pure infantry/cavalry Khorne WoC army, only mortals. So I have 0 magic, and 0 monsters. Call me crazy! It is definitely sub-optimal, but it can absolutely still win and it's heaps of fun

The beat fix to the game should be fixed unit size. Ex: dwarf warriors ca be in files of 6, 5 or 4 and 1, 2 or 3 ranks. Also, models with more than 5 wounds should use the best save they have/phase. Arm 3+, ward 4 and regen monster attacked by ap-2 attacks, use ward, etc

Chris, I really appreciate the value you bring to this podcast. Just saying. Thank you :)

I've played since 3rd edition. I lived through hero hammer. 6th edition had issues, but it was focused on regiments of cavalry and infantry. 7th had broken army books and power creep. 8th was mostly tight and easily the best core rules, focused on the regiments and mass armies. The failing of 8th was mostly the cost of armies. Just a single 50 model Witch Elf core regiment cost 300.00 USD. Starting WFB had to many barriers to entry in cost and learning curve. GW can fix that by making regiment models more accessible and affordable. The game can have simple base rules. Personally, Age of Sigmar was a mistake as it destroy the lore and setting. There was a way forward that could have streamlined Fantasy rules, reboot the setting with many of the AoS elements, but keep the Old World as a setting and game system. If Old World had a warband level of play for new players and a rank and flank level for veterans or large scale games. I would of dragged out End Times and instead of destroying the setting bring in the upheaval of the Old World instead.

8th was overall a better set of rules than many of its detractors realize. The game had a weird learning curve that made first impressions seem it was all deathstars, mega spells and random charges. In actually, the armies that were used in tournaments and by veterans of the system had realistic armies with large blocks of infantry. The magic was better as support all over the board. The random charge was in reality a bell curve charge that lead to baiting movement and risky charges out of your opponents. Step up is still one of the best rules that WFB had and I do not understand why they left it out of Old World.

Infantry need the 8th edition Step Up mechanic and Rank Bonus should be increased for Close Order to +3. Supporting Attacks should be the rank behind again, not the whole fighting rank.

I don't think Games Workshop is ever going to all the legacy armies. The goal is to keep those armies and their models in AoS. The proof is look at the attention and new models those armies have gotten in AoS, especially with the new release of AoS 4. Skaven just got more new models for AoS than we have gotten anything new for Old World.

I wish this wasn't the case, but I think Old World had a couple of objectives that is counter to getting back Warhammer Fantasy in its full glory. 1) Divert the WFB fans away from complaining about AoS. 2) Make money off of the Old World models that do not work in AoS, keeping the best stuff from Old World in AoS. 3) Make players rather play AoS than Old World. This is meant to gather us, quiet us down and make money off us using models and factions that are less interesting than the ones we lost.

The reason games take long and are hard to learn is the rules are messy, counter-intuitive, contradictive in a few parts and way to much cross-referencing.

Not sure if someone else has commented on Jabe's question, as far as I understand it, due to Bound Spells not being cast with the potential to Miscast like normal wizard spells, you can just cast all of your Bound magic first, and then move on to your wizard spells. That way you maximize your output/efficiency, and it works regardless of the ruling from GW or differing interpretations from individuals.

All the podcasts I've been listening to trying toa ddress infantry issues refer exclusively to warhammer fantasy 8th edition...that was the edition that bled players something fierce, it was in that time period where GW wrote rules forcing people to buy crap tonnes of models to have a hope in heck of being competitive and it was also the edition many refer to as Purple Sun edition. It wasn't a good edition and if you played in it and it was your one big edition of whfb then cool, but there were better ones. Take a step back to 6th ed whfb, it lasted 6 whole years before 7th edition came out. Yes, it was in an era where there wasn't this stupid 3 year edition cycle that brings outa new edition even if the rules don't need a new edition, but 6th ed was also the longest running whfb edition and for many good reasons. A lot of rules are seen in TOW but TOW is also a product of a newer rules set - dragons/mounts combining profiles with their riders instead of being separate is a huge issue because it makes them so much more dominant and extremely hard to kill off. Here's a rather radical approach to balancing Monstrous Mounts - what if you change the rules such that once the number of wounds that the mount in question gives are lost, then that mount is dead and the rider is now on foot for the rest of the game? You're still able to stack saves etc but most dragons etc that are dominating the meta, will have significant power drop off after 4 to 6 wounds have been lost. Suddenly you have characters on foot that want to probably be supporting or supported by infantry. I've not seen this idea bandied about, but it's very much like older editions of whfb where once a mount was killed the rider was on foot, it worked back then, it can work again.

Setting 25% for heroes/commanders ,and 25% for heroes only would fix the whole meta, which currently revolves around the big character mounts. With such constraints people would try to cut out expenses on their characters, and we would see more characters on foot or horse. Then, it would be necessary to use infantry and cavalry units just as a place to hide these characters

They didn't do Kislev because of the optics of the Russian invasion of Ukraine

It's called The End Times.

I don't know if you can get it in Australia, but Duplicolor Sandable Primer is the way to go. I've been using it for 17 years now, and it has NEVER fuzzed on me. (And I live in super humid New Jersey!)

After hearing your conversation, the idea of a living ruleset with a paid subscription sounds like a bad idea. Right now we have beautiful books with a decent ruleset, not only would those be invalidated, we would also enter the exact treadmill many 40k players hate with passion. On top of that we would have to pay a fee. This sounds like a pretty bad proposition for any outsider, whos vaguely interesed in TOW and also to everyone who is playing beer and bretzel wargaming at a local level. Also I fear, that any system with ruleschanges and "improvements" mid- edition would put the ruleswriters in a position, where they have to introduce major changes to an already "patched" ruleset just because they have to release a new edition. Under those circumstance, we might end not only with a treadmill, but also with a worse ruleset in the next edition. My proposition/ hope therefore would be for GW to release FAQ on a regular basis and taking notes and feedback while the edition is in its cylce. Then they should be in position the do meaningful improvements in a new rulebook.

The original ruleset they were working on should be re-introduced and this absurd ruleset thrown away. The rules need to be 20 pages at MOST not 100, and certainly not 160. There are so many "darlings you didn't kill" and fat in this game. There were so many quality-of-life fixes in 8th that they didn't add in TOW. I should never be measuring pivot angles and inches in 2024. These are small groups of 10 or so men, not legions of 100. They got this.

Hate to break it to you lads, but GW are desperate to squat Old World. They've done everything but throw the kitchen sink to try to kill sales of the game. The AoS faction is winning despite poor sales. Old World just isn't cutting it and that's not the IPs fault, it's the price (and rules). Who can afford this stuff? It was unaffordable on release and GW slapped on a 10% price hike this year on Old World just to make sure even less of the stuff is sold. It's deliberate. Premium prices for old tat from 1999 and 2003.... lol. Where's the new plastic kit released for Greenskins? Where are the Resin and new plastic kit for Chaos? I mean we can WAGER that new plastic Forsaken have been produced but where are they? They have no respect. Meanwhile Skaventide can't be given away.

I think Parabellum and Corvus Beli have both proved that a free online rules and up to date army builder app works, alongside real hardback rule books. We all want the art, lore new book smell but we all want current and updatable rules. If anything, a free to use army builder is only going to encourage miniature sales, which is where the 💰💰💰 is

An army book for the New World would be nice with the legacy armies in. They could just copy/print the PDFs for free money! (With some balance fixes…)

Infantry fixes: 1) +3 Rank Bonus / +4 for Horde 2) +1 Combat Res for Outnumbering 3) +1 Bonus Attacks per rank _instead_ of the current Fighting Rank (because wide lines of troops with no ranks looks stupid) 4) Thrusting Spears always strike no later than same Initiative as chargers 5) Remove +1 Close Order combat res boost (replaced by Outnumbering)

Fall back in good order popping through until still cause panic. It isn't completely safe...

Infantry are just as viable now as they were in 6th and 7th. Stick a lunatic lord in it.

Definitely not a living rulebook please, I prefer the errata, give me a hardback book and few changes. I'd hate constantly updated books which is why I avoid 40k. Book, arcane journals is the way for me.

You can take 2 units instead of one of chosen knights.

For the messed up primed minis from shitty black spray, same solution as when varnish goes frosty. Bit of olive oil and a soft old paint brush, just paint it on like it's a layer paint. Not like a wash or shade where you soak it, just layer it on. Give it 15-30 mins, then using a soft old brush with soaked in water, gently brush the olive oil off like you're trying to soak up too much shade that's pooling on your mini. Rinse regularly like any other painting you'd be doing, otherwise you just smudge the olive oil round. After you've got most of the olive oil off, let it dry for a bit then you can give them a rinse under tepid water. I thought this technique was bullshit but I tried it when Panicking to save some minsi that frosted up from Varnish and it saved them, also tried it when some rattlecan Grey Seer spat the same chunky crap out on my minis. Also thanks for the episode guys, painting my Ogres never felt so easy with you guys in the background. Cheers, Jamie

I would love if the Old World pushed Narrative Campaigns and Siege battles!

Terrain that affects movement and combat results, infantry fighting 2 ranks deep will fix TOW. I like the arcane journals and would like to see ‘historical’ lists like the War of the Beard, the rise of Nagash, Araby Crusades, etc

We are 8 months in chill. Stop doing the same videos as everybody else.

Huge agree with Chris' take about avoiding changes to the rules in community comps as much as possible. Sometimes the "straightforward" fix like giving infantry step up or whatever doesn't exactly address the other problems with the rule sets

Revenue goes on the profit and loss, not the balance sheet 😉

I was about to ask for Danny but a few seconds later you said he didn't show up. Danny you're bringing down the team, I clicked to hear about your empire state troop army.

Over the last week I learned that you need to hit the gym for a couple of weeks to get the strength to paint an assembled Marauder Giant!!!! Damn it’s heavy!!!

On GW's communication being untrustworthy to say the least. In the last preview when talking about Legions Imperialis they flat out stated they would be focussing on SMs and Solar Auxilia for a while with new armies further down the road. A month later they have just announced Mechanicum being added, probably fairly immenantly.

You know what improves Infantry? Meaningful terrain. Something Infantry do very well is take up space. If there's meaningful terrain when you take up space you can force unfavorable engagements.

making a rules change sounds a lot like starting a cult

Old World plays great, most of the rules are fine. It really just needs a little boost to infantry, something like a step-up attack. And probably a revision of skirmisher rules. The games I've played and watched mostly go pretty well, without anything being completely broken.

If you want less small units, make the win condition: whoever defeats more units of their opponents' army wins. So it's like every unit is worth the same VPs. Bigger blocks are harder to defeat and are now worth the same as a small diverter unit Bolt action already does this by default, most of their missions are 1 point per unit destroyed

SIMPLY Fix infantry by allowing them to fight in two ranks while engaged in the front arc. Spears fight in three ranks, and then PIKES, with a high initiative, introduced in the Empire arcane journal, fight in four ranks in the front arc. A limit can be placed on the width of an infantry rank too (around a dozen or less), and emphasize base contact instead of allowing many unengaged models strung out in a long line to strike. These are not difficult updates to add within this current edition.

Not all infantry is bad in tOW. Elite infantry is bad, cheap stuff like Bretonnian peasants is not half bad, TK skeletons are not half bad, black orcs are not bad at all. What’s bad is stuff like warriors of chaos that need to cost 300+ pts to get mass and will never deliver at that point cost.

Love the chat lads. Agree that MSU/monster meta shows that infantry are pointless. My pal and I have general comp that helps infantry get back into the game. A) Change army comp characters down to 35% and core up to 35%. B) Double most inft unit size minums except for skirmishers and detachments. All monstrous inft units have a minimum of 3+ C) A skirmishers unit cap - can't have skirmishers unit than Close/Open order units that receive rank bonuses D) Infantry (non-monstrous) receives supporting attacks (1A per model in the second rank) and enable shooting units to shoot in 2 ranks. Finally a fighting rank cap of 8 wide. E) Implement the swift stride rule you guys mentioned for flyers and heavy cav. F) Then maybe inft close and open order units receive an extra rank bonus. Easy rules to implement and broadly speaking add more opportunity cost to picking characters, reduce MSU potential, and give infantry more potential. In my opinion, some infantry units are overcosted but changing points always becomes much more fiddly.

Great content as always!

Night goblin Jabe coming out of his mushroom hole with the hood on

It doesn´t have much of a future without an exciting Magic phase and armies that look like Warhammer armies of old. Not this AoS nonsense witha couple monsters and some minimal units doing fakk all.. There is very little reason for me to play TOW over 6th Ed now.

New ep 🎉

Enjoyed this - I had the same feeling when I won the first 3 of Rob's events with my scream VC list. I tried not to gotcha, but playing non-engaging armies vs 'normal' lists wasn't very fun which contributed to wanting to have a long break from old world. Really liked the candid conversation from Dave about his game 3 as well.

Took the leap and signed up for my first 2-dayer at MOAB in a month's time, have no real expectations and can't wait to play!

How about. If you take a Dragon lord, you can only have a level 2 mage? :). And if you have a level 4 mage lord you can not take a dragon.

Love hearing about all the games guys. Just a quick heads up, you can’t cast the same conveyance spell on a unit twice in a turn (page 107), so couldn’t do the triple move on the knights that Chris was talking about