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Haha that's good to know. I've always wanted to play Neuland and never had the chance to play. I'll keep that in mind if I ever play it!

That would be amazing if you could make that rondel have some more depth supporting it in the rest of the game. You're right, the rest is somewhat plain, but like you said, it's worth playing just for that mechanism. The game was super cheap so it was worth the price of admission. But I can't say it's a must own.

Thanks for posting this! I'll let others chime in who have experience with Dominion sleeves. Here are my 2 cents: Personally, I never sleeve my games because I cannot stand how it feels. But I certainly agree the starting cards can start to wear faster than the other cards. So I just bought a couple copies of that yellow "base cards" box, which will last me forever. That is my advice if you prefer _not_ to sleeve. Another thing to keep in mind is sleeves _might_ not allow the cards to fit in the slots. I am not certain... just a thought I had.

I go back and forth for my fav 2p area control game. Currently, I'm really liking Dynasties/Sun Tzu. But I also think Kahuna is fantastic. The cardplay is a lot of fun in both of those games. Caesar Seize Rome in 20 Minutes? That one is a very solid game, but the graphic design really bugged me in that one. I ultimately decided if I wanted something similar, I would just play Knizia's Samurai at 2p. But Caesar is a super elegant area control game for 2p. The system works really well & it's a very snappy game...often less than 20 minutes in my experience. Plus, Paolo Mori is a great designer!

This game is quite unique. I believe there was only 1 printing of this in German. There are a few copies floating around on eBay for pretty cheap. Obviously your card draws can be somewhat lucky at times, but the flexibility of being able to combine the cards helps with that. Also, the quick pace of the game makes the luck factor not a big deal for me. I kinda wish it was in a smaller box, because the game is quick and feels like a filler. I appreciate your kind words and wanting to help the channel. The paypal link only allows paypal and credit card payments. I also accept Super Thanks on RUclips, but I'm not sure how that works. It's below each video, there's like a heart icon with a thanks... sometimes it's in a dropdown menu. Honestly, it is a big help just watching & commenting & getting some others to subscribe! I'm glad you're enjoying the content!

Hey, thanks for the question! Did you catch my recent 2-player episode? Episode 48 has a game called Shanghaien which is a really fun dice game for 2p. It’s different from this but it’s a great game. Most of my gaming is at 3-4 players, so we just don’t play a lot of games at 2p. But I do try to make 2p-game episodes periodically. The closest game to Tonga Bonga that I can think of would be Jamaica, as I mentioned at the end of the video. That game plays 2-6p, although it’s better with more than 2. But it might give you a similar feel to this one. Hope that helps!!

@@undiscovered_games I have checked out your all your two player videos and we have made a list and thank you so much for all your videos

@@danasimpson1275 Awesome! I was pretty sure you had commented before, but I wanted to make sure that was you. Thanks for watching! There will be more to come! I'm planning a Top 25 two-player games list sometime in the future, along with more 2p episodes like I've been doing.

Awesome! Playte is one of the few _new_ publishers I’m really excited about, which is why I’m choosing to focus on them. I just appreciate the way they’re doing things: economic & efficient packaging, no fancy Kickstarter campaigns, reprinting old games, all while staying original. Love to see it! Stay tuned for Episode 50 in a few weeks! There are gonna be lots of amazing games on there, if I can stop being indecisive 😅 I’ve been working on my list for 8 months 🙈 Thanks for watching!

Man, Playte is killing it! You guys would like this one, perfect family game night type of game. I haven’t been this excited about a new publisher in a long time. I love how they’re staying lean and mean, no fancy kickstarters, just simple reprints of old games with amazing packaging that takes up zero shelf space. They’re truly original in my opinion, which is why I’m so excited about them. I’ve experienced really fast shipping, too, coming all the way from Korea to the US. Pretty cool!!

That’s so awesome!! Yes, he is easily one of my favorite designers, and he is definitely the world’s most underrated designer in my opinion 😎 I have some more Dorra gems coming to future episodes! Thanks for the comment and for watching!!

Haha that’s interesting! I didn’t know Hidden Gems disagreed! Were they talking about the old version or this one? I wonder if there are any big differences between the old version & this one? I know they changed from a square grid to a hex grid. I actually went into this game with low expectations because of how light it is. I did not expect to like it this much. I mean, it’s suuuuper simple. But that money/dice system is fascinating. I’m currently addicted to Tonga Bonga 😅 Try to steal the most money without giving your opponents too much movement. Brilliant!

@@undiscovered_games If I remember correctly they talked about the old version. Also had gripes with “bashing the leader” and they felt that there was only one legitimate strategy. But isn’t that the beauty of our hobby … there are games for everyone. Keep up the good work! It’s always exciting to watch one of your videos.

@@SRyfish interesting! I’ll have to find their episode on that. 6 plays in and I have not found an obvious strategy yet, but now I’m curious! 👀 Thanks for the kind words! So happy you enjoy the channel! 😎

Thanks, man! Glad you enjoyed! 😎

Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words 😊 Playte is an awesome company. I don’t usually promote new games, but I just love what they’re doing!

Such a cool game, especially for how simple it is!! Really surprised me!!

Haha I know the feeling all too well 😩 If you do end up getting this, give it a couple plays. It seems _way_ too simple at first, but that bribery thing will become much more interesting as players get better at the game. I'm currently addicted to the game; it's simple & quick but it's so tricky to master.

Haha! I happen to love waffles! 😋 Cheers!

I agree! Knizia is the king! I am always happy when an old game gets reprinted. Personally, I am so sensitive to too many colors and oversaturated boards/pieces, so I just prefer the simpler look of the beige games. But you're correct, that 25th Century edition is definitely beautiful! Thanks for the comment!

That's amazing! Definitely meant to be! I am always up for a game of Atlanteon. It's one of those I will never get rid of. Regarding The Cousins' War: That is probably the most unique game on this list. Interesting for sure! It's one of the most unique 2p games I've played really. Sadly it's hard to find right now. Maybe it'll get a reprint one day!

Thanks for the comment! As you said, every box has some great cards and some cards I don't like. Hence, I can't allow myself to get rid of _any_ of them haha. I personally really like the brutal attacks you mentioned 🤭 but I can totally understand those aren't for everyone. Since making this video over a year ago, I think I would move Menagerie up in my ranking. Those Way cards are really awesome, and we have been revisiting Menagerie quite often in our recent plays. I might have to make a new version of this video soon because Rio Grande just released their latest expansion Rising Sun (which also has debt tokens, not sure about that... but it does have some other new concepts that sound interesting). We will soon see! Thanks again for the great comment!

That's such an interesting comparison that I had never thought of... I can totally see what you mean!! 🤯 Thanks for the awesome comment!

That's awesome!! Very interesting info about Hansa Teutonica. I think the theme probably seems absent to me because I have not studied the backstory whatsoever haha. Perhaps I should take a deeper look into it! I also enjoy Michael Schacht's game Hansa as well, so maybe it's time to do some learnin! I bet it would improve the gameplay on both of those games if I knew more of the backstory. Merlin is always the game that surprises most people, but I always stand behind my love for it. To me, it's a _slightly_ better version of Bora Bora because it is less lengthy & less complex. I don't mind the complexity of Bora Bora, but a punishing dice roll in Merlin doesn't seem as painful as it can in Bora Bora. But similar to Bora Bora, you need to spend some turns investing in stuff in anticipation of those bad dice rolls. I love when a game allows you to weigh playing risky to maybe get a leg up on your opponents vs. playing safe and planning for bad dice rolls. Plus, the 2 different area control sections of Merlin get really tense at 4p. Anyway, if you enjoy dice games like we do, I think you'd definitely enjoy it. El Grande has a high nostalgia factor for me. I think I found it back in 2015, which was still fairly early in my journey in this hobby. And we play it so much still, it's hard to take it out of my Top Ten. It's so smooth and snappy nowadays for us. I love that it doesn't take forever to play. Still, I will say El Grande is teetering on my Top 10 because Kreta/Sardegna might very well replace it as my favorite area control game. I still feel a close connection to El Grande, but I _really_ love Kreta. Thanks again for watching & commenting! It's always awesome to find other gamers with great taste in gaming!

I do have Das Letzte Paradies and would love to make a video episode on that one someday soon. I've only played it once and I really liked it, but I definitely want to get a better feel for it before I make video on it. I'll consider bumping it up on my list of episodes to make!!!

Thanks man! Always appreciate you watching and commenting! Both Dynasties and Cousins War definitely appeal to the same style of gaming, so you really can't go wrong with either one. Cousins War is a bit harder to find, unfortunately.

Thank you so much! You're awesome! I really appreciate that. I genuinely hope you enjoy the new games you discovered from this episode. Shanghaien is so awesome. I know you'll love it. Just read the rules carefully. Based on previous comments, there seem to be multiple editions with slightly conflicting rulebooks 😬 Cheers!!

Haha Noble Knight is amazing. Apparently my Horus video made that game trend on their site 😂 Let me know how you like the game! :)

That's awesome! Welcome to the channel! I have bought many games in German and other languages, so I completely understand what it's like to look to RUclips and find tutorial videos. In fact, that was one of my motivations for starting this channel 😅 I hope you find some great undiscovered games here!

I really like that idea for scaling the game. Very simple and makes sense to me! I guess I never even thought of finishing out the final round so each player gets equal turns. However, there is sometimes a strategy to be had by ending the game early by emptying out a stack to rush the game end... so maybe that's why the designer chose not to give everyone equal turns?? It would be interesting to try equal turns, though, for sure. Great observation!

Right? I believe this game holds my personal record for biggest discrepancy between BGG rating and my rating. I love it.

Hey thanks for watching! I haven’t played Boop but I’ve heard a lot of good stuff about it. Did you catch my video on Stone Henge? It’s Knizia’s version of tic tac toe. Without knowing anything about Boop, I’m curious if that compares to Boop at all? Babel is so cool! Love that one. Haven’t played since I made that video over a year ago 😩 Regarding multiplayer games that play well at 2p, we honestly don’t play a lot of those. Most of our gaming is 4p, and if it’s just my wife and me, we usually stick to 2p-exclusive games. So I don’t know if I have enough to make a list. That being said, we do enjoy Panamax at 2p, which is a heavy economic euro. I also did videos on Milestones and Horus, both of which we enjoy at 2p as well. But I’ll definitely keep that in mind, as I think it would make a great video topic!! Thanks again for watching and welcome to the channel! 🍻

​@@undiscovered_games I will probably watch all your videos over time, slowly. I just checked out Stonehenge but it doesn't make me think of tic tac toe. Interesting game though and I will gather some spare parts or pen and paper it for a try. I have a smart grandchild to use as a guinea pig for play testing. Comparison to Boop. Stonehenge is short and deterministic while Boop can be played defensively to prolong the game. It may still be deterministic but it's harder to see. Both are 100% open information. I wonder if Stonehenge suffers from first player advantage since that player is also first to play their last piece with it being known what the opponent's last play will be. This allows them to possibly claim up to 5 or 6 green circles at once. Wait, no that's not relevant since there are only 15 green circles so the race factor is nullified. I think the biggest difference is claiming of lines in Stonehenge whereas in Boop, it's not over until a person can set up two potential wins that can't both be blocked. Boop is literally a three in a row game on a 6x6 board but several pieces move around each turn so getting three in a row can be tricky. You can even set up two potential lines and have them both blocked in one turn. And to top it off, although you always have 8 pieces you don't start the game with the pieces you need to win with. You have to earn those by getting 1-3 non winning three in a rows first. Or get all your pieces on the board, which is also easier said than done as your opponent ( and sometimes yourself ) are regularly knocking pieces off the board to start over again. Halloween edition recommended since it has the expansion piece but not necessary. In fact, but you didn't hear it from me, Boop can be constructed at home also. The rules say to use the bottom of the box as your board but I never enjoyed that. My conclusion is that there isn't really a comparison, they are two different games entirely. Neither is better, they are both good filler games. Stonehenge is shorter and simpler, probably easily programmable for perfect computer play. I'm curious what that is but that would take some fun out of the game. I think Boop is deeper but I can see it easily frustrating some people also making it harder to get to the table.

@@grantfraser5430 wow, thanks for that detailed reply! Very informative! I will definitely look into Boop (I’ve been known to make homemade versions of games, so I might try that first 😉). Several people have recommended that game to me and I think it’s time to look deeper into it! Thanks again! 🍻

That's awesome to hear! You were lucky to find a copy! Yeah, I really like this game and I've also had great luck showing it to new players. Spoiler alert: it's going to be in my Top 50 coming soon on Episode 50! :) Thanks for the comment!

Thanks for watching as always! Hope you get to try some of these sometime!! 😎

Thanks for watching! If you play at 2p more often, I’d definitely say Atlanteon is the better option. They’re still very different games strategically, but I personally like Kingdoms with 3p best. Still works great at 2. Also, I definitely thought The Cousins War was the one game here that you would gravitate toward. It definitely seems like your style. My wife and I really enjoy that one. The problem is it’s kinda hard to find nowadays 😢 Keep your eyes open!

Thanks for watching as always!!! I have and enjoy Knizia's Carcassonne The Castle! I like it better than Carcassonne, personally. Not the game I was going to feature, though ;) I have not played Trambahn! Thanks for the recommendation! I will check it out for sure! You have great taste in games so I trust your judgement :)

That's really weird I just happened to put Shanghaien in there. I wasn't aware you all were discussing it! It was meant to be I guess ha!! Regarding the rule, my rulebook clearly says this: "If both players added the same number of dice to a card, then the player _with the higher sum on the dice added to the two neighboring cards_ receives the card. If there is still a tie, then the card is removed from the game." I don't see anything about a first or second tiebreaker. Maybe I have a different version of the game or something? Might be worth checking into. Regardless, thanks for the comment and for watching as always! I appreciate the support, and that's really cool you know Sun Tzu. Great game! I think you'd love The Cousins War. The bluffing with the dice rolling is so much fun.

That's really interesting that my rules are different. Another funny thing is that mine don't mention the wooden figures at all. Thanks to your vid, I finally know what they're for!

@@Centerhead haha yeah those wooden figures are pretty pointless LOL. I think it’s fascinating there are so many discrepancies in the rules! Does your rulebook clearly say when/who chooses the cards in the row being 1-6 or 6-1? We had a long discussion in one of the other comments on that! 3 different interpretations: Either the start player rolls 1st then chooses, or the start player chooses before rolling, or each player chooses their own numbers for the cards after rolling. I find all the interpretations to be valid & interesting in their own way. 🤷🏻‍♂️

👋 Thank you for watching 😊 That means a lot to me!!! I really appreciate your love of the channel 😃 More episodes to come!!

Hey thanks for the comment! You are correct on the start player not alternating back and forth; we play that correctly. In the video, I said “switch start players” because the red player ended the round. But I failed to highlight _why_ we switch start players. So thank you for clarifying that for the viewers. I’ll add a note! Regarding the choosing the card order, that’s interesting. The rule says “the starting player in each round decides which end of the row will be assigned 1.” But the way it’s worded, it’s just discussing the anatomy of the 6 cards in the row and doesn’t specifically say to determine that after you roll. However, it mentions the rolling before it mentions choosing the order, so I think you’re correct. But the way it’s worded, it seems like the text is just telling you the steps of the round, like “roll 2 dice.” And then it goes off discussing the card row. It seems to me the rule should say “after rolling, determine which card gets the 1.” But it doesn’t. Instead, it just starts discussing the row of cards and talks about each card has a number assigned to it. It says that order is determined by the start player. It’s kinda weird how they have it organized. I just always took it to clarify that the start player chooses the order (since the other player lays out the cards). I’m sure you’re correct, though. But that’s kinda weird. That means the start player would seemingly have a big advantage each round, right?? But maybe it’s there to balance out the power of the other player ending the previous round?? I’ll have to try it out next time we play! Regardless, thanks for sharing that!

Interesting….. the german rules say that each player decides for himself the direction in which the cards are numbered. In my opinion that makes perfect sense, because it adds another twist to the gameplay. This is how we play the game and we really like it🎉

@@b.2194 wow! That would add another twist to the neighboring rule for breaking ties too! That’s wild! I think it would be cool if each player could choose after their first roll. That would remove the start player’s advantage. I’m learning all sorts of interesting stuff about that game 😅

@@undiscovered_games 😃👍🏻 just try it out 🎉

@@undiscovered_games I agree the rules aren't clear on this point, and it does seem like a very big advantage for the first player to decide after rolling. The first player is already at an advantage! Perhaps your way is better.

Haha that's so interesting because I was actually the reverse!! I originally had Land Vs. Sea, and _then_ I discovered Chartae. After playing Chartae, I said, "This is what I wish Land Vs. Sea would've been." Both are great games, but I do prefer Chartae personally. It just depends on what you want out of the game ultimately. For me, I like the quick and portable nature of it. Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!

@@undiscovered_gamesOur hobby is amazing 🤩

Thanks man!! I appreciate you watching as always. 😊

Haha that’s hilarious 😂 Thanks for watching! I have found quite a few 2p area control games, but I’ve had to dig. I agree they’re hard to find!

Very cool you have Atlanteon! You’re only the 3rd person I’ve found who’s familiar with it. No one ever talks about it, which is weird because it’s one of Knizia’s earlier games and still holds up today. I didn’t know Shanghaien was available online 🧐 Thanks for the comment!!

Thanks man ☺️ Shanghaien is such a fun dice game for 2! Soooooo simple but brilliant design!

Woohoo! 🥳

Hahaha I'm so glad someone noticed that 😂 Yeah, it can be a long one for sure, yet I never turn down a game of it when my daughter requests it. It's a charming game!